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"I'm pretty sure that's not an official quote from them. It's not far off" But not the official quote therefore it’s not all over the news | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. " Well this escalated quickly 😳 | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳" Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... " We're not laughing at the joke, certainly. | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... " Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. " I just snorted out loud reading this, and now other people on the train are looking at me. Worth it though, I needed a good. chuckle. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news" Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " Not very demure. It’s giving mysongynist. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " I just love a good old sesh of whataboutery. Warms the cockles, so it does  | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " You realise that not all opposite-gender crime is either misogyny or misandry? It's only one of those things if the gender of the victim has been specifically targeted in a hateful/deliberately violent/inciting terror sort of way. But let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant. If you can provide a reference to a misandry-related murder in the news? As in, a murder committed due to the hatred of men as a gender. Not the hatred of one man (just as misogyny is a general hatred of ALL women, not one single woman). | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it exists too. Along with all sorts of other hateful things. But then I had a cheese sandwich for lunch which is about as relevant to this thread 🤷♂️ | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " Love a bit of whataboutism! | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘" Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " Bless, you ok hun? | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things." 🤣🤣 If you are geriatric darling there is no hope for me 🤣 | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it exists too. Along with all sorts of other hateful things. But then I had a cheese sandwich for lunch which is about as relevant to this thread 🤷♂️" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things." geriatric millennial. Ain’t that the truth. | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things. 🤣🤣 If you are geriatric darling there is no hope for me 🤣" I'm a geriatric millennial - as in, old for millennial. My parents are young boomers - I'm not saying they're young. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news" I'm sure they looked in a dictionary first.... | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it exists too. Along with all sorts of other hateful things. But then I had a cheese sandwich for lunch which is about as relevant to this thread 🤷♂️ Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. " Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things. 🤣🤣 If you are geriatric darling there is no hope for me 🤣 I'm a geriatric millennial - as in, old for millennial. My parents are young boomers - I'm not saying they're young." Young and boomer together. Nicely done | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it exists too. Along with all sorts of other hateful things. But then I had a cheese sandwich for lunch which is about as relevant to this thread 🤷♂️ Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. "  | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Bless, you ok hun?" If you were a man, and I a woman, your comment could come across as sexist, misogynistic and aggressive. And I would be certain to mention it at my all female gender studies group. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Bless, you ok hun? If you were a man, and I a woman, your comment could come across as sexist, misogynistic and aggressive. And I would be certain to mention it at my all female gender studies group. " Yes, messages are construed differently depending on context! Well observed. Gold star! ⭐ | |||
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"Seen as we are imagining things- If Enoch Powell had delivered his (in)famous speech on gender instead, what would it have sounded like? Hmmmm 🤔" That's dark 😬 | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. " Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. | |||
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"Seen as we are imagining things- If Enoch Powell had delivered his (in)famous speech on gender instead, what would it have sounded like? Hmmmm 🤔 That's dark 😬" ‘I’m tryna make dark skin sexy again’ - Stormzy. Endorsed by Mr Pickle. | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that." I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? | |||
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"Seen as we are imagining things- If Enoch Powell had delivered his (in)famous speech on gender instead, what would it have sounded like? Hmmmm 🤔 That's dark 😬 ‘I’m tryna make dark skin sexy again’ - Stormzy. Endorsed by Mr Pickle. " It already is, darling. What's not sexy is people getting mad about it. | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. " Did you know, a stone has none and it's still more sensitive than you  | |||
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"Seen as we are imagining things- If Enoch Powell had delivered his (in)famous speech on gender instead, what would it have sounded like? Hmmmm 🤔 That's dark 😬 ‘I’m tryna make dark skin sexy again’ - Stormzy. Endorsed by Mr Pickle. It already is, darling. What's not sexy is people getting mad about it." ‘In how many years will the woman have more rights than the man’ Enoch probably | |||
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"Seen as we are imagining things- If Enoch Powell had delivered his (in)famous speech on gender instead, what would it have sounded like? Hmmmm 🤔 That's dark 😬 ‘I’m tryna make dark skin sexy again’ - Stormzy. Endorsed by Mr Pickle. It already is, darling. What's not sexy is people getting mad about it. ‘In how many years will the woman have more rights than the man’ Enoch probably" Not even worth it. | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men????" Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Bless, you ok hun? If you were a man, and I a woman, your comment could come across as sexist, misogynistic and aggressive. And I would be certain to mention it at my all female gender studies group. " What is it about hatred against women being outlawed that you fear so much? | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. " Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. " You need to open your eyes more. How many men are forcibly sex trafficked into UK and Western Europe each year? Compare to women? You don’t get equality in an unequal system by ‘continuing’ to treat every one the same, that’s how it became unequal in the first place because the power structures ( physical strength male dominated , politics, capitalism and religion) all give men a massive advantage | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men????" This is where the "name them" question disappears into the void forever... | |||
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"We've had too narrow a perspective on terrorism, driven by excessive racism and Islamophobia. The recent hate riots etc were terrorism in my opinion and sentences were too low. It's good that we are now ensuring that hate to given the attention that it merits, more broadly than it has been " 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? " family law | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law " I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be? | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be?" women take the house and kids men take there lives the family law sides with women legal aid ect it is changing though I belive | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be? women take the house and kids men take there lives the family law sides with women legal aid ect it is changing though I belive " Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone? | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be? women take the house and kids men take there lives the family law sides with women legal aid ect it is changing though I belive Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone?" women will alliante the children against fathers its the father that walks away with nothing and has to rebuild a life and yes men do take there lives because of these issues and you should see the amounts of us on some support groups on Facebook going through this | |||
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"Excellent time to tell a joke then. Did you know, the clitoris has 8000 nerve endings and yet its still not as sensitive as the feminist it's attached to. Well this escalated quickly 😳 Depends if youre laughing or dialing ypur local police station really... Neither. As a good GenX woman I am doing a mahoosive eye roll and then getting on with my day 😘 Exposure therapy works. As a geriatric millennial I just go, oh, this unoriginal shit again. At the time of the millennium I probably would have lost my shit - but then, I was fifteen, I lost my shit at a lot of things. 🤣🤣 If you are geriatric darling there is no hope for me 🤣 I'm a geriatric millennial - as in, old for millennial. My parents are young boomers - I'm not saying they're young. Young and boomer together. Nicely done" I'm an old boomer (allegedly) though I act younger.  | |||
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" Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone? women will alliante the children against fathers its the father that walks away with nothing and has to rebuild a life and yes men do take there lives because of these issues and you should see the amounts of us on some support groups on Facebook going through this " I don't doubt that some men do take their lives. What percentage? What percentage of mothers alienate children? You're making it sound like this is universal. Tbh I'd rather trust the bog roll I wiped myself than a Facebook group for anything. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be? women take the house and kids men take there lives the family law sides with women legal aid ect it is changing though I belive Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone? women will alliante the children against fathers its the father that walks away with nothing and has to rebuild a life and yes men do take there lives because of these issues and you should see the amounts of us on some support groups on Facebook going through this " the legal aid system for domestic is a joke and one sided a man has to pay 1000s to defend himself against accusations so yes some women have a massive upperhand | |||
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" Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone? women will alliante the children against fathers its the father that walks away with nothing and has to rebuild a life and yes men do take there lives because of these issues and you should see the amounts of us on some support groups on Facebook going through this I don't doubt that some men do take their lives. What percentage? What percentage of mothers alienate children? You're making it sound like this is universal. Tbh I'd rather trust the bog roll I wiped myself than a Facebook group for anything. I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable." its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that | |||
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" Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. Women already have more rights than men,l. And making more laws onl targeting men, and only accuse my men of hatred while actively ignoring women who do the same is sexist and wrong. Pitty calling out misandry and highlighting inequality is treated with disgust and derision. Instead of only targeting men, we aught to target everyone who openly hates others, but it will be a cold day in hell before feminists agree to that. I will engage no further with you if you seriously believe women have more rights than men???? Name a right men have that women do not then. Explain to me why you think women are oppressed and lack freedoms, and what freedoms those are exactly. Oh! You wont because you refuse to accept men are suffering in society and doing far worse than women overall. I’m his anti male law is further evidence of the growing misandry in this country that will affect all men AND women unless we tangle it. I am arguing in favour of equal rights. I am a egalitarian which sadly puts me at odds with feminism. The ammont of hate o am receiving fo pointing out misandry exists yet is not talked about much less treated t he same as misogyny. Refusing to discuss this and shutting down any talk on the topic of misandry, gender inequality and the problems men face will only make things worse. Can you expand on the problems that men face (that women don’t)? family law I believe family law is an area of law handled by both men and women. That is usually how children, the subject of family law, come to be? women take the house and kids men take there lives the family law sides with women legal aid ect it is changing though I belive Well that's a wild over generalisation. What percentage of men take their lives after divorce, when children are involved? Is there a blanket ban on men having (shared) custody of children? Who should get the house? I think it should probably be either the person with the majority of the custody or no one. Do family law norms reflect a sexist view of women as only caregivers and being incapable of looking after themselves, thus hurting everyone? women will alliante the children against fathers its the father that walks away with nothing and has to rebuild a life and yes men do take there lives because of these issues and you should see the amounts of us on some support groups on Facebook going through this the legal aid system for domestic is a joke and one sided a man has to pay 1000s to defend himself against accusations so yes some women have a massive upperhand " Can you provide any evidence for this from an official source? While I'm not doubting your individual experience, in order to find systemic discrimination we'd need to look at a broader picture, find patterns. Does this undermine the existence of misogyny? | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet." Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news" Probably 2 hairy legged women bandied the idea around in parliament trying to put the shits up some of weak willed woke dudes. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. " Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical." That’s an in-depth response just to agree that’s some might be true and some might not be. It’s definitely unverified. Thing is, I’ve no doubt some genuine people go to these sites to air their experiences. I also have no doubt that there are some real pieces of work who love to cause trouble and that’s where the made up statistics start appearing. It’s people preying on others when they are at their lowest ebb already that makes me dislike those sites. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. That’s an in-depth response just to agree that’s some might be true and some might not be. It’s definitely unverified. Thing is, I’ve no doubt some genuine people go to these sites to air their experiences. I also have no doubt that there are some real pieces of work who love to cause trouble and that’s where the made up statistics start appearing. It’s people preying on others when they are at their lowest ebb already that makes me dislike those sites." We agree. I'm sure these extremes - suicide, unequal divides, etc - happen. I'm sure they happen for both good and bad reasons. I'm sure women and the courts have other stories to tell, which also need to be vetted. And I'm sure some people have happier outcomes. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical." end of the day ive my own personal experience and there are men ending there life after seperation divorce its fact why is there charitys out there fathers for justice menkind ect why belittle my comment on family law and what rights women genrally have the upper hand in not to mention the group im in and its not just about family law created by Daniel reply for men to say thats laugable is insulting to men | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. end of the day ive my own personal experience and there are men ending there life after seperation divorce its fact why is there charitys out there fathers for justice menkind ect why belittle my comment on family law and what rights women genrally have the upper hand in not to mention the group im in and its not just about family law created by Daniel reply for men to say thats laugable is insulting to men " I'm sorry that you don't understand what I'm saying and have read something that isn't there. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. That’s an in-depth response just to agree that’s some might be true and some might not be. It’s definitely unverified. Thing is, I’ve no doubt some genuine people go to these sites to air their experiences. I also have no doubt that there are some real pieces of work who love to cause trouble and that’s where the made up statistics start appearing. It’s people preying on others when they are at their lowest ebb already that makes me dislike those sites. We agree. I'm sure these extremes - suicide, unequal divides, etc - happen. I'm sure they happen for both good and bad reasons. I'm sure women and the courts have other stories to tell, which also need to be vetted. And I'm sure some people have happier outcomes." The courts these days are much better at dividing finances and childcare access etc than they used to be. The right decision isn’t always what the two people in question agree on. There have been som cases recently where women end up paying out big sums to men. That’s something in heard of in previous times. It’s good that we have come this far. I think when it comes to women’s rights and men’s rights, there is still a big divide. I think that it is not uncommon to see women’s rights taken much more seriously than men’s. Although you may hear phases like feminazi, for womens rights, you also hear terms like incel or misogynist used against men’s rights. I feel that men’s rights are very quickly dismissed. At a time when men are encouraged to speak up about their feelings, it’s not great practice to beat them back down with labels like that. Now the real misogynists / misandrists. Well they can go and do one. | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. end of the day ive my own personal experience and there are men ending there life after seperation divorce its fact why is there charitys out there fathers for justice menkind ect why belittle my comment on family law and what rights women genrally have the upper hand in not to mention the group im in and its not just about family law created by Daniel reply for men to say thats laugable is insulting to men I'm sorry that you don't understand what I'm saying and have read something that isn't there." well to me it would seem your educated im not and this whole conversation goes with the original post on what women have better rights in I stuck my head out the parapit and you piled on with your educated opinion and tried to shut me down as a man and that my opinion on family law wasnt valid just about sums the whole subject for me and proof that mens emotions are not considered and thats why we stay quiet you win | |||
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" I'm sorry if you had a bad experience or know anyone who's had a bad experience, but to malign a whole area of law on the basis of Facebook is a bit fucking laughable. its a legit forum were men come together and speak of our emotions and offer advice and support whats laughable about that It's not quality controlled. Anyone can join and spout any old shit. It's one sided. You won't hear the other perspectives as to how people got there. Even if everything in there is 100% true, it's not a reliable source. It's people saying unverified things on the internet. Come on swing, it can’t be unverified shite but also 100% true. It’s just unverified. Sure it can. It's not likely, but it's possible. If it's unverified it's unknown. I'm granting the most generous interpretation - something unknown is anything from 100% bollocks to 100% true. Even if we are as charitable as it is possible to be with the data, then it is still a poor source. I would not recommend being this charitable, because vetting sources is important, but for the sake of argument I'll grant the hypothetical. end of the day ive my own personal experience and there are men ending there life after seperation divorce its fact why is there charitys out there fathers for justice menkind ect why belittle my comment on family law and what rights women genrally have the upper hand in not to mention the group im in and its not just about family law created by Daniel reply for men to say thats laugable is insulting to men I'm sorry that you don't understand what I'm saying and have read something that isn't there. well to me it would seem your educated im not and this whole conversation goes with the original post on what women have better rights in I stuck my head out the parapit and you piled on with your educated opinion and tried to shut me down as a man and that my opinion on family law wasnt valid just about sums the whole subject for me and proof that mens emotions are not considered and thats why we stay quiet you win " I've just asked for evidence. I believe that you have had a bad time and others do too. In order to evaluate "family law" as a whole, I need more than that. | |||
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" 46k members on M.A.T.E Facebook half of which are dealing with family courts and bitter twisted mothers of our children yes there are two sides to every story and please please I do not want to tear women down I love and respect every good person apart from a few different walks of life who wish harm but I especially like boobies Facebook groups don't even rise to the level of anecdote. Anecdotes are less than data. Should I also find women's groups about family law processes and ask what they think? If not, why not?" most blokes you will speak to have had some bad experience with ex and family law I know a good few and the ones who havent are lucky I envy those relationships that ended amacable and fair anyway let's put this to bed its a genuine and taboo subject you obviously feel as strongly as I do my inbox is open for discussion I'm always open to learning and improving my view anyway i wish you well non the less | |||
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" 46k members on M.A.T.E Facebook half of which are dealing with family courts and bitter twisted mothers of our children yes there are two sides to every story and please please I do not want to tear women down I love and respect every good person apart from a few different walks of life who wish harm but I especially like boobies Facebook groups don't even rise to the level of anecdote. Anecdotes are less than data. Should I also find women's groups about family law processes and ask what they think? If not, why not? most blokes you will speak to have had some bad experience with ex and family law I know a good few and the ones who havent are lucky I envy those relationships that ended amacable and fair anyway let's put this to bed its a genuine and taboo subject you obviously feel as strongly as I do my inbox is open for discussion I'm always open to learning and improving my view anyway i wish you well non the less " It's not a taboo subject. I have no vested interest either way. I just want to see evidence. All you've given me is anecdote or less, from some of the least reliable sources that exist. That could be built up to evidence, but right now it isn't. But yes, let's leave it. We're talking past each other. | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! Doesn’t it? I’m pretty sure it exists too. Along with all sorts of other hateful things. But then I had a cheese sandwich for lunch which is about as relevant to this thread 🤷♂️ Yes, misandry does exist, not you would know it though from watching the news or any modern media. Feminists only ever discuss misogyny and never misandry. Except the guardian, which openly praises it and encourages others to be misandrist too. If misogyny is to be treated as terrorism, then misandry should be treated the same, yet there is no mention of it. This yet more anti male hatred. Soon the woman will have the same rights and opportunity as men. Think of the men. " Love it! | |||
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"Under the new Labour.. Not before time It's all over the news Good thing Misandry doesn’t exist and no women are ever sexist or spiteful or hateful or murder people of a different gender! Yup! " Not as much as men! Which is why it's needed. Look at the majority of people who were involved in the riots, men or women? Who is in the lead when committing violent and sexual abuse crimes? It's not always men but men are always involved and leading the way. I'm not stupid and do have some education around this, so please don't down the what about route!!! | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Unalive isn't a word. Is hostility and mouthing off the same as murder? Who are most of the killers? (Statistics please, not social media)" Unalive is used on platforms like TikTok to make sure things don’t get taken down. And it’s a funny word to use. Helping you stay down with the culture Swing  | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Unalive isn't a word. Is hostility and mouthing off the same as murder? Who are most of the killers? (Statistics please, not social media) Unalive is used on platforms like TikTok to make sure things don’t get taken down. And it’s a funny word to use. Helping you stay down with the culture Swing "I'm fully aware. It's as valid as saying that people were on ventilators because of the panini. | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Unalive isn't a word. Is hostility and mouthing off the same as murder? Who are most of the killers? (Statistics please, not social media)" Year ending March 23, 590 homicides in England and Wales, 71% male victims. 95% of the perpetrators towards women were male. 70% of domestic homicide victims (16 and over) were female. All but one killed by a male suspect. Source - ONS. Safelives - Data collected 2020-2022 suggests that every week 1.8 women are killed by a male partner/ex partner. 186 homicides in that time frame. 30 male victims during the same period. | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Unalive isn't a word. Is hostility and mouthing off the same as murder? Who are most of the killers? (Statistics please, not social media) Year ending March 23, 590 homicides in England and Wales, 71% male victims. 95% of the perpetrators towards women were male. 70% of domestic homicide victims (16 and over) were female. All but one killed by a male suspect. Source - ONS. Safelives - Data collected 2020-2022 suggests that every week 1.8 women are killed by a male partner/ex partner. 186 homicides in that time frame. 30 male victims during the same period. " Yes. That's what I suspected. I think what the other poster was suggesting was that men are at risk from women. I'm interested in hearing from him, what valid stats (like these, these are an example of good stats) lead him to this conclusion. | |||
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"Some think that extreme mysogny is the clitoris joke that was posted earlier. It was just a joke. Tom challenges misogynist behaviour in men because he believes that it is the right thing to do. Last weekend he was on a flight from Stansted to Glasgow ( he does not like international travel) and as we taxi down the runway the female pilot came on the tannoy and gave the flight information. The man in the next seat had a panic attack. Tom tries to help. He says, there is a woman flying the plane. Tom said. Stop worrying, she will have passed all of her exams, has thousands of flying hours logged and will be as professional as any male pilot. It's not as if she will have to do any reversing... " Who thinks the poor attempt at a joke earlier in the thread is extreme misogyny, Tom? | |||
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"Some think that extreme mysogny is the clitoris joke that was posted earlier. It was just a joke. Tom challenges misogynist behaviour in men because he believes that it is the right thing to do. Last weekend he was on a flight from Stansted to Glasgow ( he does not like international travel) and as we taxi down the runway the female pilot came on the tannoy and gave the flight information. The man in the next seat had a panic attack. Tom tries to help. He says, there is a woman flying the plane. Tom said. Stop worrying, she will have passed all of her exams, has thousands of flying hours logged and will be as professional as any male pilot. It's not as if she will have to do any reversing... Who thinks the poor attempt at a joke earlier in the thread is extreme misogyny, Tom?" It might have qualified as slight institutionalised misogyny, but probably wouldn't have got much of a laugh even back in 1972. About on a par with making some joke about the comedian who tells misogynistic jokes having more brain cells in his dick than his head (no, I'll never make a comedian). Possibly very feebly misandrist, but probably wouldn't incite any women to murder men. | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Who is doing the crime? Statistically? Let's not deflect the question on who commits the crime statistically, it's men who do it but the point was the misandrist behaviour towards men that's done online and in society that people chose to ignore So men are murdering other men because women are being nasty about men online?" Because of the divorce courts apparently. | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Who is doing the crime? Statistically? Let's not deflect the question on who commits the crime statistically, it's men who do it but the point was the misandrist behaviour towards men that's done online and in society that people chose to ignore" So when you're talking about intent to kill, the person actually doing the killing is deflection? Fuck me you've got some twisted priorities. | |||
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"And to the people who think there isn't violence towards men. Bear in mind that the majority of murder victims are men but that aside you can check on X or better yet Tik Tok and you'll see tons of videos from women wanting to un-alive men Who is doing the crime? Statistically? Let's not deflect the question on who commits the crime statistically, it's men who do it but the point was the misandrist behaviour towards men that's done online and in society that people chose to ignore So men are murdering other men because women are being nasty about men online?" No, when talking about murder, we must not focus on killing, we must focus on mean words said on the internet. That's far more important than killing people. | |||
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"Just seen an advert on Twitter for Refuge, says that in England and Wales every 5 days a woman is killed by an abusive partner or ex. I wonder what the statistics are for men being killed by their ex wives?" In the period 2020 to 2022, 30 men were victims of domestic homicide, compared to 186 female victims of domestic homicide - data from Safelives. Of course, domestic homicide isn't restricted to partners, it can be other family members as well, but nevertheless the disparity between the numbers is significant. | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior " Go on then, I'll bite. Where's your evidence? Show me the data and research to support your view. I take it that you have had a bad experience and so are speaking anecdotally as you have not backed up any of your statements with solid evidence. | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior Go on then, I'll bite. Where's your evidence? Show me the data and research to support your view. I take it that you have had a bad experience and so are speaking anecdotally as you have not backed up any of your statements with solid evidence." innit bro | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior " What do you mean by ‘snap’? | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior What do you mean by ‘snap’?" pull them up on the behavior or try to express your feelings and yes anger is a feeling when your backed into a corner and been told your not good enough but hey im out of it now and will never allow it again my boundries are solid and yes iam ashamed to say I felt angry its all tip of the iceberg it goes much much deeper | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior Go on then, I'll bite. Where's your evidence? Show me the data and research to support your view. I take it that you have had a bad experience and so are speaking anecdotally as you have not backed up any of your statements with solid evidence. innit bro " Ah so the evidence you quote is "innit bro". That is a great argument. | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior Go on then, I'll bite. Where's your evidence? Show me the data and research to support your view. I take it that you have had a bad experience and so are speaking anecdotally as you have not backed up any of your statements with solid evidence. innit bro Ah so the evidence you quote is "innit bro". That is a great argument." exactly why we stay quiet and dont speak of our feeling because by the sounds of it I have to provide concrete evidence and solid statistics to support my view | |||
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"Women do commit abuse to men and to other women too. In fact and I don't care if people believe it or not statistically while lesbian couples form the lowest type of relationships, they have the highest reported domestic violence over straight couples and gay men couples. But thing is they don't want tell you this things because it seems the media and the establishment have some hidden agenda why they don't want to share this info. If you don't believe me look it up" I don’t for one second think that women don’t abuse people, I do however think that when you compare the statistics men are far more likely to be the abusers than they are the abused; and vice versa for women. | |||
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"The whataboutism is astounding Nobody is denying that men can be abused too This thread is about extremist misogyny - incels and their extremist views Would you jump on a thread about ovarian cancer and say what about testicular cancer? I highly doubt it Oh no it's not. " And yet That is the news that Tom is referring to | |||
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"Women do commit abuse to men and to other women too. In fact and I don't care if people believe it or not statistically while lesbian couples form the lowest type of relationships, they have the highest reported domestic violence over straight couples and gay men couples. But thing is they don't want tell you this things because it seems the media and the establishment have some hidden agenda why they don't want to share this info. If you don't believe me look it up I don’t for one second think that women don’t abuse people, I do however think that when you compare the statistics men are far more likely to be the abusers than they are the abused; and vice versa for women." but dosnt this explain what im saying about statistics men dont report it as blokes we wouldnt give up on our familys the last thing I would have done would have had my ex partner procicuted in front of my kids I just put up with it verbale and physical attacks I just thought it was normall behaviour until guess what she went to get legal aid and a non mol on me and played the victim and this is why I say the family courts are a joke and im not the only one anyway im in a much better place now lessons learned and im rebuilding this come back is personal | |||
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"The whataboutism is astounding Nobody is denying that men can be abused too This thread is about extremist misogyny - incels and their extremist views Would you jump on a thread about ovarian cancer and say what about testicular cancer? I highly doubt it " I think you are giving people too much credit in your last paragraph. | |||
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"Taken from the Mankind initiative - 21% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23). 6.5% of male victims (2.8% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse in 2022/23. The charity has seen an increase in calls regarding suicide ideation over the pandemic period and beyond. (ONS 2022/23). In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23). If I'm understanding this correctly, 79% of men will tell someone/seek support for domestic abuse. That's a significant majority, only 3% lower than women. Reporting doesn't necessarily mean to the police. It can be to support agencies. Anyway, the topic of this thread is extreme misogyny, not DA figures and who has it worse, men or women. " I agree, however I do think looking at intimate partner abuse or perhaps coercive behaviour is a more useful comparative metric than murder statistics. As the latter is begging the question, we already know men are more predisposed to more extreme acts of violence. The question there is the extent to which that phenomena is biological. Comparative studies on sexually coercive behaviour reflect that men tend toward physical force, whereas women tend towards more emotional and psychological strategies. It's been a long time since I've researched it, but I recall a strong predictor in women is a belief that relationships are adveserial. One could of course argue that this is due to their experience of men and this is reflected in the data. Many of these studies are based on self-reported coercive behaviours and patterns in justifications. I think the issue with statistics, in such, instances is that it can gloss over the inherent subjectivity in the framing of a study. Empiricism is always limited to what we can measure or quantify, that which we can't tends to be ignored. The qualitative and anecdotal ought not to be dismissed, in my opinion. Quantitative analysis is not the holy grail when it comes to social sciences. | |||
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"Women do commit abuse to men and to other women too. In fact and I don't care if people believe it or not statistically while lesbian couples form the lowest type of relationships, they have the highest reported domestic violence over straight couples and gay men couples. But thing is they don't want tell you this things because it seems the media and the establishment have some hidden agenda why they don't want to share this info. If you don't believe me look it up I don’t for one second think that women don’t abuse people, I do however think that when you compare the statistics men are far more likely to be the abusers than they are the abused; and vice versa for women. but dosnt this explain what im saying about statistics men dont report it as blokes we wouldnt give up on our familys the last thing I would have done would have had my ex partner procicuted in front of my kids I just put up with it verbale and physical attacks I just thought it was normall behaviour until guess what she went to get legal aid and a non mol on me and played the victim and this is why I say the family courts are a joke and im not the only one anyway im in a much better place now lessons learned and im rebuilding this come back is personal " I suspect it’s personal to many here. The inference that men won’t give up on their families is that women escaping and reporting dv are somehow giving up. I’m sure you don’t mean that!! | |||
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"women commit domestic abuse but most of it goes unreported as men dont speak up about it and when the woman who do these crimes its covert and not belived on the outside control emotional and financial abuse withholding love they will have you beliving its your fault and when you snap twisted it around and then play the victim disgusting behavior Go on then, I'll bite. Where's your evidence? Show me the data and research to support your view. I take it that you have had a bad experience and so are speaking anecdotally as you have not backed up any of your statements with solid evidence. innit bro Ah so the evidence you quote is "innit bro". That is a great argument. exactly why we stay quiet and dont speak of our feeling because by the sounds of it I have to provide concrete evidence and solid statistics to support my view " I think the key words in your reply were "our feeling" and "my view". No one is arguing with feelings or views, its the lack of evidence you put forward to support the position you took. However, the issue that arises from Tom's original 'news' item was whether Yvette Cooper's vow to crack down on hateful beliefs, and whether extreme misogyny should be treated as terrorism (which the Telegraph and Spectator picked up and wrote about) | |||
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"Taken from the Mankind initiative - 21% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23). 6.5% of male victims (2.8% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse in 2022/23. The charity has seen an increase in calls regarding suicide ideation over the pandemic period and beyond. (ONS 2022/23). In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23). If I'm understanding this correctly, 79% of men will tell someone/seek support for domestic abuse. That's a significant majority, only 3% lower than women. Reporting doesn't necessarily mean to the police. It can be to support agencies. Anyway, the topic of this thread is extreme misogyny, not DA figures and who has it worse, men or women. I agree, however I do think looking at intimate partner abuse or perhaps coercive behaviour is a more useful comparative metric than murder statistics. As the latter is begging the question, we already know men are more predisposed to more extreme acts of violence. The question there is the extent to which that phenomena is biological. Comparative studies on sexually coercive behaviour reflect that men tend toward physical force, whereas women tend towards more emotional and psychological strategies. It's been a long time since I've researched it, but I recall a strong predictor in women is a belief that relationships are adveserial. One could of course argue that this is due to their experience of men and this is reflected in the data. Many of these studies are based on self-reported coercive behaviours and patterns in justifications. I think the issue with statistics, in such, instances is that it can gloss over the inherent subjectivity in the framing of a study. Empiricism is always limited to what we can measure or quantify, that which we can't tends to be ignored. The qualitative and anecdotal ought not to be dismissed, in my opinion. Quantitative analysis is not the holy grail when it comes to social sciences." I agree, but there are a lot of ways to analyse the data. I was taught basic statistics by someone who was a well known figure in qualitative research into DV, who had connections to people who did international research on violence in gangs (also predominantly qualitative). I'm more than happy to take a multifaceted approach. But at a certain point the rubber needs to hit the road. When you're making bold sweeping statements, anecdotes don't cut it. I'm quite happy to treat men and women equally. If women pose a similar threat, treat them as such. But I don't believe the data bears that out. (We may yet find that emotional abuse is more harmful than non-fatal violence. I'm open to that, and what it might mean for female perpetrators. I don't think it rises to terrorism, which is the subject of this thread) | |||
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"Taken from the Mankind initiative - 21% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23). 6.5% of male victims (2.8% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse in 2022/23. The charity has seen an increase in calls regarding suicide ideation over the pandemic period and beyond. (ONS 2022/23). In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23). If I'm understanding this correctly, 79% of men will tell someone/seek support for domestic abuse. That's a significant majority, only 3% lower than women. Reporting doesn't necessarily mean to the police. It can be to support agencies. Anyway, the topic of this thread is extreme misogyny, not DA figures and who has it worse, men or women. I agree, however I do think looking at intimate partner abuse or perhaps coercive behaviour is a more useful comparative metric than murder statistics. As the latter is begging the question, we already know men are more predisposed to more extreme acts of violence. The question there is the extent to which that phenomena is biological. Comparative studies on sexually coercive behaviour reflect that men tend toward physical force, whereas women tend towards more emotional and psychological strategies. It's been a long time since I've researched it, but I recall a strong predictor in women is a belief that relationships are adveserial. One could of course argue that this is due to their experience of men and this is reflected in the data. Many of these studies are based on self-reported coercive behaviours and patterns in justifications. I think the issue with statistics, in such, instances is that it can gloss over the inherent subjectivity in the framing of a study. Empiricism is always limited to what we can measure or quantify, that which we can't tends to be ignored. The qualitative and anecdotal ought not to be dismissed, in my opinion. Quantitative analysis is not the holy grail when it comes to social sciences. I agree, but there are a lot of ways to analyse the data. I was taught basic statistics by someone who was a well known figure in qualitative research into DV, who had connections to people who did international research on violence in gangs (also predominantly qualitative). I'm more than happy to take a multifaceted approach. But at a certain point the rubber needs to hit the road. When you're making bold sweeping statements, anecdotes don't cut it. I'm quite happy to treat men and women equally. If women pose a similar threat, treat them as such. But I don't believe the data bears that out. (We may yet find that emotional abuse is more harmful than non-fatal violence. I'm open to that, and what it might mean for female perpetrators. I don't think it rises to terrorism, which is the subject of this thread)" I think we probably agree fundamentally. I am in no way suggesting that women pose a direct threat to men in terms of threat to life or physical safety on any comparative level. I can give you anecdotes personally of violence against me by women. However, I fully accept statistically these are exceptions rather than the rule. I can give you a case, where a man killed his mother after years of abuse at her hands, as a child. I do think the causes are more complex than biological sex alone, although I am quite certain it's also a significant factor. I fully believe men are more dangerous than women, in terms of a threat of violence and severity of outcomes. I have no issue with people tackling that issue directly. | |||
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"Taken from the Mankind initiative - 21% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23). 6.5% of male victims (2.8% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse in 2022/23. The charity has seen an increase in calls regarding suicide ideation over the pandemic period and beyond. (ONS 2022/23). In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23). If I'm understanding this correctly, 79% of men will tell someone/seek support for domestic abuse. That's a significant majority, only 3% lower than women. Reporting doesn't necessarily mean to the police. It can be to support agencies. Anyway, the topic of this thread is extreme misogyny, not DA figures and who has it worse, men or women. I agree, however I do think looking at intimate partner abuse or perhaps coercive behaviour is a more useful comparative metric than murder statistics. As the latter is begging the question, we already know men are more predisposed to more extreme acts of violence. The question there is the extent to which that phenomena is biological. Comparative studies on sexually coercive behaviour reflect that men tend toward physical force, whereas women tend towards more emotional and psychological strategies. It's been a long time since I've researched it, but I recall a strong predictor in women is a belief that relationships are adveserial. One could of course argue that this is due to their experience of men and this is reflected in the data. Many of these studies are based on self-reported coercive behaviours and patterns in justifications. I think the issue with statistics, in such, instances is that it can gloss over the inherent subjectivity in the framing of a study. Empiricism is always limited to what we can measure or quantify, that which we can't tends to be ignored. The qualitative and anecdotal ought not to be dismissed, in my opinion. Quantitative analysis is not the holy grail when it comes to social sciences. I agree, but there are a lot of ways to analyse the data. I was taught basic statistics by someone who was a well known figure in qualitative research into DV, who had connections to people who did international research on violence in gangs (also predominantly qualitative). I'm more than happy to take a multifaceted approach. But at a certain point the rubber needs to hit the road. When you're making bold sweeping statements, anecdotes don't cut it. I'm quite happy to treat men and women equally. If women pose a similar threat, treat them as such. But I don't believe the data bears that out. (We may yet find that emotional abuse is more harmful than non-fatal violence. I'm open to that, and what it might mean for female perpetrators. I don't think it rises to terrorism, which is the subject of this thread)" Information on coercive control - Almost all those convicted for controlling or coercive behaviour in England and Wales in the year ending March 2023 were male – 553 out of 566 (97.7%) (ONS, 2023b). Although the ONS publication does not give the sex of the victims, we know from other research (as below) that the majority of victims are likely to be women. One study of Crime Survey for England and Wales data found that women are far more likely than men to be the victims of coercive controlling behaviour abuse that involves ongoing degradation and frightening threats – two key elements of coercive control. Working within the limitations of the current crime survey questions, the study found that among intimate personal violence victims who had experienced only one abusive relationship since the age of 16, almost a third (30%, n = 791) of the abuse reported by female respondents could be classified as coercive control in this way, contrasting with only 6% (n = 52) of the abuse reported by male respondents (Myhill, 2015) The British Crime Survey is more qualitative than quantitative, but limited in the data it requests. I agree that emotional harm can be as traumatic, in some cases more so, than physical harm. | |||
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"Taken from the Mankind initiative - 21% of male victims (2022/23) fail to tell anyone they are a victim of partner abuse – which is big improvement as previously it was 49% in 2017/18. The figures for female victims are 18.2% (2022/23) and 19% (2017/18. (ONS 2022/23). 6.5% of male victims (2.8% women) have considered taking their life due to partner abuse in 2022/23. The charity has seen an increase in calls regarding suicide ideation over the pandemic period and beyond. (ONS 2022/23). In 2022/23, 13 men died at the hands of their partner or ex-partner compared to 56 women. (ONS 2022/23). If I'm understanding this correctly, 79% of men will tell someone/seek support for domestic abuse. That's a significant majority, only 3% lower than women. Reporting doesn't necessarily mean to the police. It can be to support agencies. Anyway, the topic of this thread is extreme misogyny, not DA figures and who has it worse, men or women. I agree, however I do think looking at intimate partner abuse or perhaps coercive behaviour is a more useful comparative metric than murder statistics. As the latter is begging the question, we already know men are more predisposed to more extreme acts of violence. The question there is the extent to which that phenomena is biological. Comparative studies on sexually coercive behaviour reflect that men tend toward physical force, whereas women tend towards more emotional and psychological strategies. It's been a long time since I've researched it, but I recall a strong predictor in women is a belief that relationships are adveserial. One could of course argue that this is due to their experience of men and this is reflected in the data. Many of these studies are based on self-reported coercive behaviours and patterns in justifications. I think the issue with statistics, in such, instances is that it can gloss over the inherent subjectivity in the framing of a study. Empiricism is always limited to what we can measure or quantify, that which we can't tends to be ignored. The qualitative and anecdotal ought not to be dismissed, in my opinion. Quantitative analysis is not the holy grail when it comes to social sciences. I agree, but there are a lot of ways to analyse the data. I was taught basic statistics by someone who was a well known figure in qualitative research into DV, who had connections to people who did international research on violence in gangs (also predominantly qualitative). I'm more than happy to take a multifaceted approach. But at a certain point the rubber needs to hit the road. When you're making bold sweeping statements, anecdotes don't cut it. I'm quite happy to treat men and women equally. If women pose a similar threat, treat them as such. But I don't believe the data bears that out. (We may yet find that emotional abuse is more harmful than non-fatal violence. I'm open to that, and what it might mean for female perpetrators. I don't think it rises to terrorism, which is the subject of this thread) I think we probably agree fundamentally. I am in no way suggesting that women pose a direct threat to men in terms of threat to life or physical safety on any comparative level. I can give you anecdotes personally of violence against me by women. However, I fully accept statistically these are exceptions rather than the rule. I can give you a case, where a man killed his mother after years of abuse at her hands, as a child. I do think the causes are more complex than biological sex alone, although I am quite certain it's also a significant factor. I fully believe men are more dangerous than women, in terms of a threat of violence and severity of outcomes. I have no issue with people tackling that issue directly." Indeed. I wish we could have a conversation about the threat of men without it delving into "but women are dangerous too". Not saying that to you, just in general. At the moment, the evidence on all metrics I'm aware of shows men to be a significantly greater threat than women - both to men and to women. (As a collective, not individually. I'm not doubting any individual stories) | |||
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