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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it." If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further." It's actually not.....but | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but " It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal?" Breach of copyright only...however...and I dont know the answer to this but potentially the copyright rests with the site owners as it's their platform. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal?" Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. " I am afraid you are wrong on a couple of points. (i) copyright is a civil matter and therefore, as I stated a few times, it's not illegal to copy and share them. (2) civil law is underpinned by the principle that, providing it can be proven, consent is given or withheld verbally or in writing, without the need to resort to a formal agreement. So as I alluded to in my initial post, if I sent you a picture of my penis and said this is for you only in the text or whatsapp that would more than hold up in a civil court as the withholding of copy right/ consent to share. I didnt say anything about a verbal agreement, but if you had one and could prove it (difficult I agree) it would be fully valid. (iii) I didn't say it would be difficult to go to sue for copyright infringement- although I doubt many fabbers would want to draw attention to the images in that way. My point is that it isn't nearly as straight forward as you make it to win that case. It would depend on a number of things and I would much rather be defending than the litigant. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. I am afraid you are wrong on a couple of points. (i) copyright is a civil matter and therefore, as I stated a few times, it's not illegal to copy and share them. (2) civil law is underpinned by the principle that, providing it can be proven, consent is given or withheld verbally or in writing, without the need to resort to a formal agreement. So as I alluded to in my initial post, if I sent you a picture of my penis and said this is for you only in the text or whatsapp that would more than hold up in a civil court as the withholding of copy right/ consent to share. I didnt say anything about a verbal agreement, but if you had one and could prove it (difficult I agree) it would be fully valid. (iii) I didn't say it would be difficult to go to sue for copyright infringement- although I doubt many fabbers would want to draw attention to the images in that way. My point is that it isn't nearly as straight forward as you make it to win that case. It would depend on a number of things and I would much rather be defending than the litigant." OK. I mean, it's kind of my job to know about copyright and I've a few cases under my belt. But if you've googled and skipped the 1988 Copyright, Designs & Patents Act and the website of the IPEC it might be worth checking back.  | |||
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"Sorry was back to a meeting. It hasn't happened to us but is always an underlying concern given how easily it could be done. It's great to hear it seems to not happen...maybe people aren't totally awful" It can and does happen. That's why you shouldn't show pictures that you wouldn't want other people to see if can't plausibly deny they belong to you. The following is from the site FAQs . . Why don't you right-click protect our photos to stop others stealing / saving them? We believe in being straighforward with the members of Fab. Right click protect doesn't work and gives a false sense of security by pretending to "protect" images. Other sites may pretend they've protected your images but actually they're being dishonest by claiming that. Right click "protect" can be gotten around in under 2 seconds by any of the following methods: Simplest: Goto File menu, Save As, and save to desktop = The photos will be in a folder on your desktop that your browser has created. OR... Disable JavaScript by going to Tools menu, choose Internet Options, Click the Security tab, click Custom Level, scroll to the "Scripting" section of the list and click Disable. Right click can now be used to save images. OR... Press print screen and the image + page will be copied to clipboard where it can be pasted into a graphics program for resize or save. We give you three privacy options on your photos and we now hide images from anyone who isn't a member of Fab. If you are worried about someone stealing your photos you may want to set them to be viewable only by your friends, or private in which case you can send by private mail. We also now watermark all photos upon upload. | |||
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"Has anyone ever had their pics or videos leaked from here?" Why would anyone do this ? | |||
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"Does that mean the Police will make people un see it? Considering they don't actually give a f**k your house was burgled. Asking for a friend." It’s civil law, not criminal law, so purely in terms of a copyright infringement case, they would have no interest or involvement. If said images were used for revenge porn, or other nefarious activities, then they would be involved. Copyright is held by the creator, by default, as do the restrictions that go with it. Copyright infringement can be rather complicated, and would be pursued through civil action, which could be costly. To be worthwhile you would need to be able to show how you’ve suffered a financial loss from the infringement, and be confident that you can recoup your costs, losses and collect any damages awarded. | |||
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"Has anyone ever had their pics or videos leaked from here?Why would anyone do this ?" A myriad of reasons. Equally it's not unknown for people to do the reverse, and attempt to use photos from the net on their profiles. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. I am afraid you are wrong on a couple of points. (i) copyright is a civil matter and therefore, as I stated a few times, it's not illegal to copy and share them. (2) civil law is underpinned by the principle that, providing it can be proven, consent is given or withheld verbally or in writing, without the need to resort to a formal agreement. So as I alluded to in my initial post, if I sent you a picture of my penis and said this is for you only in the text or whatsapp that would more than hold up in a civil court as the withholding of copy right/ consent to share. I didnt say anything about a verbal agreement, but if you had one and could prove it (difficult I agree) it would be fully valid. (iii) I didn't say it would be difficult to go to sue for copyright infringement- although I doubt many fabbers would want to draw attention to the images in that way. My point is that it isn't nearly as straight forward as you make it to win that case. It would depend on a number of things and I would much rather be defending than the litigant. OK. I mean, it's kind of my job to know about copyright and I've a few cases under my belt. But if you've googled and skipped the 1988 Copyright, Designs & Patents Act and the website of the IPEC it might be worth checking back. "I am afraid to say you don't appear to know your job very well, if indeed that is the case. I also note that you didn't respond to a single one of my points- which makes further conversation pretty pointless. All I will say is that Fabbers should review the fab FAQs on this which are pretty decent and honest about the need to be careful with photos and the near impossibility of preventing people from stealing them should they wish to. They, rightly, don't mention any legal remedy should it happen, I imagine because the drafter recognised what a red herring that would be. | |||
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"Has anyone ever had their pics or videos leaked from here?Why would anyone do this ? A myriad of reasons. Equally it's not unknown for people to do the reverse, and attempt to use photos from the net on their profiles. " but why what's the point it's just a pic ? | |||
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"I know many people think the disclaimer isn’t worth it but by letting people know we don’t accept copying and sharing makes us feel better should the worse happen! We have also added a bit about sending messages privately. " The disclaimer is actually unnecessary (if it’s about copyright) because of the default of copyright laws. Ignorance of the law is not a defence. Just because you are in a photograph, doesn’t mean that you are the copyright holder of the photograph. | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. I am afraid you are wrong on a couple of points. (i) copyright is a civil matter and therefore, as I stated a few times, it's not illegal to copy and share them. (2) civil law is underpinned by the principle that, providing it can be proven, consent is given or withheld verbally or in writing, without the need to resort to a formal agreement. So as I alluded to in my initial post, if I sent you a picture of my penis and said this is for you only in the text or whatsapp that would more than hold up in a civil court as the withholding of copy right/ consent to share. I didnt say anything about a verbal agreement, but if you had one and could prove it (difficult I agree) it would be fully valid. (iii) I didn't say it would be difficult to go to sue for copyright infringement- although I doubt many fabbers would want to draw attention to the images in that way. My point is that it isn't nearly as straight forward as you make it to win that case. It would depend on a number of things and I would much rather be defending than the litigant. OK. I mean, it's kind of my job to know about copyright and I've a few cases under my belt. But if you've googled and skipped the 1988 Copyright, Designs & Patents Act and the website of the IPEC it might be worth checking back.
I am afraid to say you don't appear to know your job very well, if indeed that is the case. I also note that you didn't respond to a single one of my points- which makes further conversation pretty pointless.
All I will say is that Fabbers should review the fab FAQs on this which are pretty decent and honest about the need to be careful with photos and the near impossibility of preventing people from stealing them should they wish to. They, rightly, don't mention any legal remedy should it happen, I imagine because the drafter recognised what a red herring that would be."I should know better really than to get into online arguments on a job related subject. "In the UK, the maximum fine for breaking copyright law can be unlimited if the case is heard in a Crown Court. The severity of the punishment depends on the nature of the offense, and even minor infringements can result in a significant fine. In addition to fines, the maximum sentence for copyright infringement is 10 years in prison." A ten year sentence is unlikely, but you don't get a prison sentence for a civil offence. If anyone really wants to know the letter of the law it's all there in black and white, and not really up for argument on a website forum. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/intellectual-property-offences/intellectual-property-offences | |||
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"What's on the Internet is on the Internet I work on the basis that whatever I put online could turn up anywhere I only share on that basis" Me too. And this goes for “private” messages too. 💯 | |||
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"Has someone done this to you? I think it’s classed as a Revenge porn thing now so can contact the Police about it. If you have posted pics on here it's actually legal to copy and share them, irrespective of those bullshit disclaimers people put on their profiles. If someone sent you something with the understanding it would remain private then it could be classed as illegal to share further. It's actually not.....but It isn't illegal. You could potentially make a breach of copyright claim but I wouldn't fancy taking that case on. What makes you think it's illegal? Just because a photo is on the Internet it doesn't give anyone the legal right to download, copy or share it. Whatever platform its on. Even good old Facey. As for your 'understanding that it remains private'? Unless specific written agreements are signed then there's no agreed terms of use. Verbal is no good. In the UK copyright of any image remains with the creator unless signed away in writing. The law is pretty clear on all of these points. And it's not difficult or expensive to take someone to court for breach of copyright. A very straightforward process. I am afraid you are wrong on a couple of points. (i) copyright is a civil matter and therefore, as I stated a few times, it's not illegal to copy and share them. (2) civil law is underpinned by the principle that, providing it can be proven, consent is given or withheld verbally or in writing, without the need to resort to a formal agreement. So as I alluded to in my initial post, if I sent you a picture of my penis and said this is for you only in the text or whatsapp that would more than hold up in a civil court as the withholding of copy right/ consent to share. I didnt say anything about a verbal agreement, but if you had one and could prove it (difficult I agree) it would be fully valid. (iii) I didn't say it would be difficult to go to sue for copyright infringement- although I doubt many fabbers would want to draw attention to the images in that way. My point is that it isn't nearly as straight forward as you make it to win that case. It would depend on a number of things and I would much rather be defending than the litigant. OK. I mean, it's kind of my job to know about copyright and I've a few cases under my belt. But if you've googled and skipped the 1988 Copyright, Designs & Patents Act and the website of the IPEC it might be worth checking back.
I am afraid to say you don't appear to know your job very well, if indeed that is the case. I also note that you didn't respond to a single one of my points- which makes further conversation pretty pointless.
All I will say is that Fabbers should review the fab FAQs on this which are pretty decent and honest about the need to be careful with photos and the near impossibility of preventing people from stealing them should they wish to. They, rightly, don't mention any legal remedy should it happen, I imagine because the drafter recognised what a red herring that would be.
I should know better really than to get into online arguments on a job related subject.
"In the UK, the maximum fine for breaking copyright law can be unlimited if the case is heard in a Crown Court. The severity of the punishment depends on the nature of the offense, and even minor infringements can result in a significant fine. In addition to fines, the maximum sentence for copyright infringement is 10 years in prison."
A ten year sentence is unlikely, but you don't get a prison sentence for a civil offence.
If anyone really wants to know the letter of the law it's all there in black and white, and not really up for argument on a website forum.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/intellectual-property-offences/intellectual-property-offences"I love it when total strangers tell me all about my job. Especially when they're inevitably wrong. And more so when I provide them with the evidence and they ignore it.  | |||
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