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"Good luck with that - even on "discussions" here, people are doing exactly the same thing...and some are doubling down when called out on it... "Pressed "send" too early!! I also think that confirmation bias plays its part with a lot of the mis- and disinformation... | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. | |||
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"Good luck with that - even on "discussions" here, people are doing exactly the same thing...and some are doubling down when called out on it...
Pressed "send" too early!! I also think that confirmation bias plays its part with a lot of the mis- and disinformation..."Yes as does cognitive dissonance. | |||
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"Good luck with that - even on "discussions" here, people are doing exactly the same thing...and some are doubling down when called out on it...
Pressed "send" too early!! I also think that confirmation bias plays its part with a lot of the mis- and disinformation...
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. " Actually anyone who has written any source based degree level assignment will know how to critically look at a source, analyse it and determine any bias within it. Also cognitive bias can easily be warded against all you need to do is test to see if your analysis/conclusion is repeatable. Like any good theory or experiment. | |||
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"I suppose you have to look at a lot of statistical data, from different/ numerous sources...and not get too jaded reading a story in a particular news outlet, which by its nature will lean more on the anecdotal side. And also understand that sharing of information is a huge business.. A journalist I spoke with on a train journey one time said to me "if you don't stoke the fire, you don't make any money.. " His own words." You see this with the social media algorithms conflict and controversial views are made to generate the most engagement. | |||
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"I suppose you have to look at a lot of statistical data, from different/ numerous sources...and not get too jaded reading a story in a particular news outlet, which by its nature will lean more on the anecdotal side. And also understand that sharing of information is a huge business.. A journalist I spoke with on a train journey one time said to me "if you don't stoke the fire, you don't make any money.. " His own words. You see this with the social media algorithms conflict and controversial views are made to generate the most engagement. " I heard ari shaffir ( comedian) talk about this recently. He said that musk and zuckerberg needed to be strung up. -Overstating the point..but I get the sentiment. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. Actually anyone who has written any source based degree level assignment will know how to critically look at a source, analyse it and determine any bias within it. Also cognitive bias can easily be warded against all you need to do is test to see if your analysis/conclusion is repeatable. Like any good theory or experiment. " And yet plenty of degree educated people believe all sorts of codswallop. I think it's more complicated. | |||
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"You can’t. It’s like 1930s Germany. I dread to think how this period of history will be viewed in 50-100 years time " I agree | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. Actually anyone who has written any source based degree level assignment will know how to critically look at a source, analyse it and determine any bias within it. Also cognitive bias can easily be warded against all you need to do is test to see if your analysis/conclusion is repeatable. Like any good theory or experiment. And yet plenty of degree educated people believe all sorts of codswallop. I think it's more complicated." That’s not what the statistics say. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " We used to think access to the Internet would help with education. Seems we were wrong. Badly wrong. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? We used to think access to the Internet would help with education. Seems we were wrong. Badly wrong. " Yep it was designed to share scientific data. It’s now used to create division and divide. | |||
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"When grifters and so-called influencers can get gullible, ill-educated people, aka morons, believing that the Earth is flat or that 5G is part of a global kill grid, you know society is fucked. " I'm on a few flat earth discussion groups. They're a never ending source of stupid. KK The Sun rising in the east and setting in the west proves a globe earth. FE No it doesn't. KK How so? FE It doesn't rise in the east and set in the west, it just gets further away....... KK You've seen a sunset, yes? FE I have, and you can clearly see the sun just getting further away. KK Are you blind? FE No, I just don't believe what the government and NASA tell us. KK 
You just can't debate or discuss anything with that level of stupid. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? We used to think access to the Internet would help with education. Seems we were wrong. Badly wrong. Yep it was designed to share scientific data. It’s now used to create division and divide. " Yup. By grifters and snake oil salesmen among others. There's money in click numbers from the gullible and easily led. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. Actually anyone who has written any source based degree level assignment will know how to critically look at a source, analyse it and determine any bias within it. Also cognitive bias can easily be warded against all you need to do is test to see if your analysis/conclusion is repeatable. Like any good theory or experiment. And yet plenty of degree educated people believe all sorts of codswallop. I think it's more complicated. That’s not what the statistics say. " Which statistics? What are they measuring? | |||
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"Which statistics? What are they measuring?" I always wonder this. As someone who dropped out at gcse I don't think that has any bearing on my levels of critical thinking 💜 | |||
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"Which statistics? What are they measuring? I always wonder this. As someone who dropped out at gcse I don't think that has any bearing on my levels of critical thinking 💜" I think university is supposed to teach critical thinking, among other things, but the results can be... variable (and others pick it up elsewhere). | |||
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"Which statistics? What are they measuring? I always wonder this. As someone who dropped out at gcse I don't think that has any bearing on my levels of critical thinking 💜 I think university is supposed to teach critical thinking, among other things, but the results can be... variable (and others pick it up elsewhere)." All formal education does is teach you to behave the way you're supposed to to be employable 💜 | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? Is this really the platform to ask this question? Of all the ways you could explore this issue, is this really the one you chose. But on the subject of education I did read something about how highly educated people are prone to falling for cognitive biases because they think they're infallible to bias. But my reading of the situation is this platform is a poor person's polling tool. So you're either trying to show off how clever you are, or too cheap to pay for a YouGov poll. Actually anyone who has written any source based degree level assignment will know how to critically look at a source, analyse it and determine any bias within it. Also cognitive bias can easily be warded against all you need to do is test to see if your analysis/conclusion is repeatable. Like any good theory or experiment. " They may well be able to look at things with a critical eye but also with a total lack of common sense. I know a number of highly intelligent individuals who are by far the most gullible people I've ever come across. Their inability to recognise sarcasm or irony and their tendency to overanalyse everything means they are completely blind to the the most obvious solution right in front of them. On fab we are often directed to read peer reviewed articles even when those articles are complete and utter fabrication. I have personal experience of specific events which took place in NI and when I detailed them here before I was told by a number of contributers to read particular articles which would explain to me why these things could not or did not occur. The degree of ignorance and stupidity shown by self professed critical thinkers can often be staggering. | |||
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"Which statistics? What are they measuring? I always wonder this. As someone who dropped out at gcse I don't think that has any bearing on my levels of critical thinking 💜 I think university is supposed to teach critical thinking, among other things, but the results can be... variable (and others pick it up elsewhere). All formal education does is teach you to behave the way you're supposed to to be employable 💜" Let's agree to disagree on that. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " More private education 🤣🤣 Mr | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " They tell them what they want to hear. Or belive they already know. It is truly possible with the rise of algirated information and news to live in the same place be of the same demographics, same job etc but receive different news and information based on the same search history. In other words both individuals live in different realities. The dirth of quality information online was described by IBM, in the 90s as an 'information Balkans'. The information we receave is related predicted things that the algorythems predict we will enjoy or click on. If forinstance your timeline is mainly fulll of news articals about people doing funny walks Then you going to think that funny walks are popular or perceaved major thing. Ot os also possible to c be completely oblivious to major social or politicalal movements. Forinstance the metoo was a major social movement which peaked in 2018 online. However there were also larger number of people who were completely oblivious to it because it never appeared in their timelines. This is referd to am algorythem filter buble. Now ironically the best filter bubbles are often the ones we self impose (the freinds we talk the newspapers we choose not to buy etc). Now some online communities reside in a online echochamber. Where only certain views are deemed acceptable (as the name suggests certain views echo). | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K." What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation. | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K. What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation." And teachers and lecturers. Mostly loony lefties sending the wrong messages to our young | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K. What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation. And teachers and lecturers. Mostly loony lefties sending the wrong messages to our young" Online "journalists", especially those who post relatively anonymously, have much to answer for. | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K. What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation. And teachers and lecturers. Mostly loony lefties sending the wrong messages to our young Online "journalists", especially those who post relatively anonymously, have much to answer for. " Agreed | |||
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"Maybe we need A Ministry of Truth. " This comment deserves more appreciation | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K. What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation. And teachers and lecturers. Mostly loony lefties sending the wrong messages to our young Online "journalists", especially those who post relatively anonymously, have much to answer for. Agreed" I’m guessing you’re passing on your prejudice towards teachers and lecturers | |||
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"The most important education starts at home, you can sit your kids in front of a tv playing (often violent) video games, or you can spend time with them, teach them to read and experience many wonderful things that will open their minds. K. What do conspiracy theorist parents teach their children? What do über right wing parents teach their children? What do racist parents teach their children? The reason horrendous world views are perpetuates is parents passing on prejudice from generation to generation. And teachers and lecturers. Mostly loony lefties sending the wrong messages to our young Online "journalists", especially those who post relatively anonymously, have much to answer for. Agreed I’m guessing you’re passing on your prejudice towards teachers and lecturers " Oh, the poster in question is aware of the industry we work in, yes. | |||
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"Maybe we need A Ministry of Truth. " BBC Verify tells me what I should think. | |||
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"We need to teach critical thinking and evaluation skills. " Yes - but unless people are prepared to put the effort into analysis, this won't help. It's another side-effect of the "instant society", I think. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " disinformation is how the media controls... disinformation is how religion works disinformation is how governments work disinformation makes the world spin | |||
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"Maybe we need A Ministry of Truth. BBC Verify tells me what I should think." Should think? Pretty sure BBC verify is there to verify what’s fact and what’s fiction. But as the old saying goes, lies get around the world before truth gets its boots on. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? disinformation is how the media controls... disinformation is how religion works disinformation is how governments work disinformation makes the world spin" Tom thought it was gravity | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? disinformation is how the media controls... disinformation is how religion works disinformation is how governments work disinformation makes the world spin Tom thought it was gravity" Tom was wrong... it is simple a matter of inertia. "A body in motion will remain in motion unless acted upon by an external force". The spin would have been created at the time that the earth formed and there have been no significant forces acting to stop that rotation. Read up on Angular Momentum. Cal | |||
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"The levels of disinformation of fake news are pretty astounding , Don’t be complacent and think you know the truth just because you have an education I know someone recently paid the star in a Facebook video completely fictional of an Airbnb host evicting d*unken youths. If I hadn’t of known the person and had saw the video I would 100% think it was real, it was well done. I have 2 degrees. It’s true that people are more likely to be radicalised if they have a lower education and that’s completely different thing to what is going on here. I also don’t think fake news and miss information is the biggest problem here either, these people are like fuses waiting to be lit with the anger about the country. Maybe there is some validity in that anger? I speak to a lot of people globally I get this general why is the UK so soft on immigration and crime" I find many countries who think we are soft on immigration have high levels, just it's often two tier. They like the cheap labour. Just don't see the person. And they are hard on crime. Often with less democacy and freedoms. It's a trade off. And many of those rioting now would be taken away for a few months. | |||
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"I noticed the hotter it got, the more ice lollies were consumed. When it got cold in winter, I decided to have ice lollies so it would warm up again. "Gelato warming. | |||
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"A journalist I spoke with on a train journey one time said to me "if you don't stoke the fire, you don't make any money.. " His own words." So true. I know of at least one paper who sit down at the end of the week and throw ideas around the table for the following weeks stories. The dialogue does something like, "How do we want our readers to feel next week ? Happy ? Sad ? Angry ? What stories can we run to meet our objectives ?" Reporting on the news and factual events is so passé and banal. It's all about "How do we want them to feel ?" . Because as the old saying goes, "People will forget what you did. They will forget what you said. But they will never forget how you made them feel". 99% of all media advertising is about making people "feel". | |||
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"You can’t. It’s like 1930s Germany. I dread to think how this period of history will be viewed in 50-100 years time I agree" | |||
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"I think there are three psychology experiments that go a long way to show what is currently happening. Stanley milligrams Adherence to to authority. The stanford prison experiment and pavlova classical conditioning experiments " To a lesser Degree. | |||
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"I think there are three psychology experiments that go a long way to show what is currently happening. Stanley milligrams Adherence to to authority. The stanford prison experiment and pavlova classical conditioning experiments To a lesser Degree. " What , to a lesser degree ? | |||
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"A journalist I spoke with on a train journey one time said to me "if you don't stoke the fire, you don't make any money.. " His own words. So true. I know of at least one paper who sit down at the end of the week and throw ideas around the table for the following weeks stories. The dialogue does something like, "How do we want our readers to feel next week ? Happy ? Sad ? Angry ? What stories can we run to meet our objectives ?" Reporting on the news and factual events is so passé and banal. It's all about "How do we want them to feel ?" . Because as the old saying goes, "People will forget what you did. They will forget what you said. But they will never forget how you made them feel". 99% of all media advertising is about making people "feel"." I know of a national broadsheet that printed word for word a government paper on specific events over here in the early to mid 80s. I lived in the exact area being discussed in the article and no-one one here was aware of its existence because it was never published in the NI edition. It was only when a local journalist was approached regarding the content that he did his own investigations and discovered that every single word of the white paper was a fabrication and those of us directly involved had no idea of any such event ever taking place. The broadsheet eventually admitted that they had been instructed by government officials not to publish it over here. That why I don't believe anything I don't witness with my own eyes. | |||
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"I think there are three psychology experiments that go a long way to show what is currently happening. Stanley milligrams Adherence to to authority. The stanford prison experiment and pavlova classical conditioning experiments " Pavlova? I bet that gets the juices flowing. | |||
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"I think there are three psychology experiments that go a long way to show what is currently happening. Stanley milligrams Adherence to to authority. The stanford prison experiment and pavlova classical conditioning experiments Pavlova? I bet that gets the juices flowing." 😂 | |||
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"I think there are three psychology experiments that go a long way to show what is currently happening. Stanley milligrams Adherence to to authority. The stanford prison experiment and pavlova classical conditioning experiments Pavlova? I bet that gets the juices flowing." bloody predicted text    | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? " It’s a well known method to target specific demographics by first researching what gets them angry, then you make specific comments/posts/messages/forums etc and continually post that topic or variations of it, posing questions etc and striking down any challenges to that view. We saw it with the vaccines cause autism, then during the BLM movement and the counter protests to it, Brexit etc etc. you’d be surprised just how easy it actually is to manipulate social media algorithms to feed this bile to selected targets. Best way to combat this? Challenge it not by aggression, but by posing their words into a question and lead them out the rabbit hole. Eventually, they’ll go “oh” and the bulb brightens. | |||
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"That why I don't believe anything I don't witness with my own eyes." So you don’t believe there are planets around distant stars? You don’t believe I exist? There isn’t a far side to the moon? There is no bottom in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Van Allen belts, electricity and nuclear physics are a conspiracy? Germs don’t exist? It’s good to be questioning, but we have so much more than our vision to rely on. Gbat | |||
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"That why I don't believe anything I don't witness with my own eyes. So you don’t believe there are planets around distant stars? You don’t believe I exist? There isn’t a far side to the moon? There is no bottom in the middle of the Pacific Ocean? Van Allen belts, electricity and nuclear physics are a conspiracy? Germs don’t exist? It’s good to be questioning, but we have so much more than our vision to rely on. Gbat " I'm talking in regard to newspaper articles and specifically the misinformation and lies written about Northern Ireland. | |||
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"Recent events have shown how disinformation spread by people with influence and social media presence is linked to civil unrest. Why is it so easy for these bad actors to hoodwink a certain cohort of the population. Does it really just boil down to a lack of critical thinking skills? Studies have shown you are more likely to be radicalised if you have a lower level of education. How do we combat this? It’s a well known method to target specific demographics by first researching what gets them angry, then you make specific comments/posts/messages/forums etc and continually post that topic or variations of it, posing questions etc and striking down any challenges to that view. We saw it with the vaccines cause autism, then during the BLM movement and the counter protests to it, Brexit etc etc. you’d be surprised just how easy it actually is to manipulate social media algorithms to feed this bile to selected targets. Best way to combat this? Challenge it not by aggression, but by posing their words into a question and lead them out the rabbit hole. Eventually, they’ll go “oh” and the bulb brightens. " Well that strategy is not working well at the moment | |||
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"Well that strategy is not working well at the moment" In what way Tomsk? How is that strategy failing? Gbat | |||
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"Well that strategy is not working well at the moment In what way Tomsk? How is that strategy failing? Gbat " Go figure Batski | |||
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