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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

weve recently lost our jobs and are claiming benefits, we have a 3 bedroomed house with a 11 yr old son (12 at the end of may) and a 9 yr old daughter 10 in September,and weve been told we have a spare room and have to pay an extra £14,75 per week,does anyone know how,as we looked online and it says the age kids of different sex should have separate rooms is 10 yrs old

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Yes the guideline is that 2 children of different sex can share a room till one of them reaches 10 and then they require their own room. I would speak to your landlord (I take yo are either housing assiocation or council?) or private rented?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

its council cheeky,i think they've got the wrong info on our kids age,im gonna ring them tomorrow ,thank you

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You do not have a spare room. Check though as they had me down as having a four bed. And I don't.

You shouldn't be paying that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"its council cheeky,i think they've got the wrong info on our kids age,im gonna ring them tomorrow ,thank you "

even if they were younger the council will allow you a 3 bed house with children of different sexes anyway.

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!

I'd seek advice from the citizens advice bureau as I imagine the devil is in the details. Use the time to get your cv's uptodate, google interview techniques and take the first job you are offered. Good luck with it all.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"its council cheeky,i think they've got the wrong info on our kids age,im gonna ring them tomorrow ,thank you "

lol give them a call... You might need to send in your tenancy agreement and kids birth certs to HB as well just so they have that up to date also...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I'd seek advice from the citizens advice bureau as I imagine the devil is in the details. Use the time to get your cv's uptodate, google interview techniques and take the first job you are offered. Good luck with it all. "
thank you ,not going to claiming for long,hubby is a carpet fitter by trade so is going on a 4 month course to refresh all his skills again,then is going self employed but thank you

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay"

I was told by social services that I couldnt have my then 4 year old and 9 year old sharing a room due to opposite sex.. I had to move my house around.. Seems they change he rules to fit.

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay"

Nah its 10.....

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay

Nah its 10..... "

and 18 for same sex..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay"

Not with the bedroom tax it isn't; children up to the age of 10 same sex and opposite sexes can share a room, at 10 they are entitled to have a room of their own.

Before the bedroom tax came in 12 might have been the age where you live but not all authorities or housing associations work on the same basis, for example we would see that a child of 11 should have their own room as they would be in secondary school, more homework and wouldn't want to share a room with a younger child

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"I thought it was 12 for social housing, when opposite sex require a spare room. Same sex dont. If that is the case you only have one months to pay

Not with the bedroom tax it isn't; children up to the age of 10 same sex and opposite sexes can share a room, at 10 they are entitled to have a room of their own.

Before the bedroom tax came in 12 might have been the age where you live but not all authorities or housing associations work on the same basis, for example we would see that a child of 11 should have their own room as they would be in secondary school, more homework and wouldn't want to share a room with a younger child"

That makes sense, different authorities having different rules as im convinced it was 12 here. This is pre bedroom tax

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

just got off the phone after 1 hr 45 mins trying to get through,and it is age 10 when diff sex children should have there own room,theyve amended our claim and we don't have to pay for our so called spare bedroom

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

I am confused....is this two seperate people with the same problem having the same age kids and the man losing the job etc

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"just got off the phone after 1 hr 45 mins trying to get through,and it is age 10 when diff sex children should have there own room,theyve amended our claim and we don't have to pay for our so called spare bedroom "

Thats great to herex

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Well done for checking

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By *rightonsteveMan
over a year ago

Brighton - even Hove!


"just got off the phone after 1 hr 45 mins trying to get through,and it is age 10 when diff sex children should have there own room,theyve amended our claim and we don't have to pay for our so called spare bedroom "

Hurrah!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

found this in the Government website.

From April 2013 every working age social housing tenant will have their Housing Benefit award reviewed to assess whether they are living in a property the Government thinks is larger than they need. This change will not affect people who will be Pension Credit age or over. You will be ‘allowed’ one bedroom for each person or couple living as part of your household. And where you have children, two children under 10 will be expected to share a bedroom, and two children under 16 of the same sex will be expected to share. So this proposal will affect working age Housing Benefit claimants, who, amongst others are:

Single and living alone in two (or more) bedroom properties (even where a second bedroom is needed due to access to children / medical equipment)

Couples living alone in two (or more) bedroom properties (even where the second bedroom is needed due to disability where there is no outside care, or for when grandchildren etc stay)

Families in three (or more) bedroomed accommodation where children could be deemed to share a bedroom, ie two same sex children under 16, or two aged under 10 regardless of sex

Families with foster children will also be affected as foster children are not considered to be part of the claimant’s ‘household’ when working out what size property is needed. - NO LONGER THE CASE SEE BELOW

As of March 2013, the Government has made some changes to the bedroom tax criteria, as follows:

Severely Disabled Children - it is NOT TRUE that families with severely disabled children are now excluded from the Bedroom Tax. Instead, in some circumstances, a severely disabled child is to be allowed their own bedroom - this is if they would seriously disrupt the sleep of another child at night if they were to share a bedroom. Depending on the make up of the family and the number of bedrooms, even if this child is allowed their own bedroom, the family could still be affected by the Bedroom Tax.

Foster Carers - it is NOT TRUE that approved foster carers are now excluded from the Bedroom Tax. They will however be allocated an extra bedroom. Guidance tells HB office that families with more than one foster child, who are affected by the Bedroom Tax, will be able to apply for a Discretionary Housing Payment.

Adult children in Armed Forces - it is NOT TRUE that tenants who have children in the Armed Forces are now excluded from the Bedroom Tax. Instead the new rules are expected to say that an adult child in the Armed Forces, who normally lives at home, will be treated as living at home and therefore allocated a bedroom whilst away on operations - and that no non-dependant deduction will apply whilst they are away.

Other changes/announcements:

Bedroom Size - whilst there are rules around what constitutes a bedroom for overoccupation rules - this does NOT apply to the Bedroom Tax. The number of bedrooms in the house (whatever their size and whatever they are being used for) is dictated by the number of bedrooms the landlord is charging for. There has been a rumour on social media sites, about room size/box rooms - see below for the official response.

DHP budget - the extra £30 million being put in the DHP budget due to the Bedroom Tax has been reduced by £5 million due to the concession now being given to foster carers in the Regulations.

Will I be allowed an extra room due to my disabilities?

Generally the answer to this question will be no. For example if you and your partner sleep in separate bedrooms or you use a spare bedroom for medical equipment, or you have a disabled child who has their own bedroom where they have a brother or sister they could share with, then no extra bedroom will be allowed regardless of how genuine the need for it.

The only time you will be allowed an extra bedroom due to disability is where you have a non-household carer where: you or your partner receive the mid or high rate CARE component of Disability Living Allowance AND need overnight care AND a non-household member uses a bedroom to stay overnight to provide care to you or your partner.

How much will the reduction be?

The plan is to reduce someone’s Housing Benefit by 14% of their rent if they have one ‘extra’ bedroom, or by 25% of their rent if they have two or more ‘extra’ bedrooms.

This reduction will be applied to your weekly Housing Benefit award, and may mean that you come off Housing Benefit altogether. It will be up to YOU to pay this to your landlord to make up the reduction in your Housing Benefit, even if you have always had full Housing Benefit

before.

For example, if someone is deemed to be underoccupying their property and their rent is £80 a week, their Housing Benefit will be reduced by £11.20 a week if they have one ‘extra’ bedroom; or by £20 a week if they have two or more ‘extra’ bedrooms. They will then have to pay this amount out of their other income to their landlord. They will then have to pay this amount out of their other income, even if they have always had full Housing Benefit before.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"I am confused....is this two seperate people with the same problem having the same age kids and the man losing the job etc "

I was thinking the same!!

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon


"I am confused....is this two seperate people with the same problem having the same age kids and the man losing the job etc

I was thinking the same!! "

I was slightly confused at who i was stating it too. lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's amazing what can be achieved via a simple telephone call in a calm manner. This new system was always going to take time to bed down - for social services as well as tenants - but I'm now waiting for the first loopholes to be uncovered. Couples claiming to have split up yet are remaining in the same domicile and thus needing a room each is the obvious one.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

we are a married couple,we have 2 children,we live in a 3 bedroomed council property,our son is 11 yrs old 12 next month ,our daughter is 9 yrs old.we had been told to pay for one spare room as our kids should be sharing , we checked and children aged 10 years or over of different sex should have there own rooms , therefore we no longer have to pay for what they said was a spare room,hope that's more clear folks

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By *ugby 123Couple
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over a year ago

O o O oo

Not really as the OP was from a different profile altogether but with the same query.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"we are a married couple,we have 2 children,we live in a 3 bedroomed council property,our son is 11 yrs old 12 next month ,our daughter is 9 yrs old.we had been told to pay for one spare room as our kids should be sharing , we checked and children aged 10 years or over of different sex should have there own rooms , therefore we no longer have to pay for what they said was a spare room,hope that's more clear folks "

I think so, you are in a similar situation to OP and cheekys comment after original post made you realise that you shouldn't have to pay either?? Is they right!? Lol x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"we are a married couple,we have 2 children,we live in a 3 bedroomed council property,our son is 11 yrs old 12 next month ,our daughter is 9 yrs old.we had been told to pay for one spare room as our kids should be sharing , we checked and children aged 10 years or over of different sex should have there own rooms , therefore we no longer have to pay for what they said was a spare room,hope that's more clear folks

I think so, you are in a similar situation to OP and cheekys comment after original post made you realise that you shouldn't have to pay either?? Is they right!? Lol x "

yes that it I can see the confusion now

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By *its_n_piecesCouple
over a year ago

avoid paying bedroom tax ...... simply turn your spareroom into a starbucks

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

Probably some idiot thinking a 4 apt is a 4 bedroom....

Wouldnt worry about it, just call them...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"avoid paying bedroom tax ...... simply turn your spareroom into a starbucks

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"avoid paying bedroom tax ...... simply turn your spareroom into a starbucks"

You should send that to Viz Top Tips

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What about an unemployed couple with 3 kids under 8 in a 4 bed privately rented property? Do they have to pay bedroom tax?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes you would have to pay bedroom tax the age of children to have there own room is 10

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"What about an unemployed couple with 3 kids under 8 in a 4 bed privately rented property? Do they have to pay bedroom tax?"

Yes as least 2 of the kids would be same sex so would have to shair a room

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm part of a group that's resisting the tax and advising people not to pay. I'm not saying it should be done unilaterally - if they can pick people off one by one, they casn evict them.

I hope it is a mistake, but be prepared for the eventuality that, even though it's completely unfair, appeals might not be successful.

But you should check out if there's a local anti-bedroom tax group in your area (they're springing up all over the place). If people work together to resist, then it becomes completely unworkable. There's nowhere to rehouse people, and the costs of evicting people would be astronomical, as well as there being a possible shortage of bayliffs.

It's not fair that anyone should have to pay this. It's robbing from the poor to give to the rich.

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By *uriousgeekyCouple
over a year ago

Bath

Seems odd, why should children have the right to their own bedroom. Regardless of age/gender.

Just my two pence worth.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Seems odd, why should children have the right to their own bedroom. Regardless of age/gender.

Just my two pence worth. "

Well, you get to a certain age when your privacy suddenly becomes rather important

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *nJ_NW_cplCouple
over a year ago

wirral


"I'm part of a group that's resisting the tax and advising people not to pay. I'm not saying it should be done unilaterally - if they can pick people off one by one, they casn evict them.

I hope it is a mistake, but be prepared for the eventuality that, even though it's completely unfair, appeals might not be successful.

But you should check out if there's a local anti-bedroom tax group in your area (they're springing up all over the place). If people work together to resist, then it becomes completely unworkable. There's nowhere to rehouse people, and the costs of evicting people would be astronomical, as well as there being a possible shortage of bayliffs.

It's not fair that anyone should have to pay this. It's robbing from the poor to give to the rich."

Who are you not going to pay your bedroom tax? Most social landlords now are not council run and are a stand alone (mostly non profit making) businesses. If people don’t pay their full rent then the people working in these companies will be put out of work even though they have no say in the bedroom tax. Not paying will have no effect on those bringing this tax in.

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