FabSwingers.com forum: Female circumcision

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

OMG its being talked about on Casualty so I looked it up

How cruel is that!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

There was an FGM thread on here last year. It is heartbreaking when you speak to some of the women that have been through this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Terrible what them poor girls are subjected too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have watched a programme about it, young girls are held down....

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

I've just been watching it

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

It's the on-going health issues, not just the coercion and brutality of the mutilation, that means some are affected forevermore.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wow casualty causing a reaction.what ever next.?! Lmao

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wow casualty causing a reaction.what ever next.?! Lmao"

I'm not watching Casualty but if it is getting the information about FGM out then that is a good thing. The information campaigns have taken a long time to get heard.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've just watched it and had to google it myself

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Its barbaric,

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

Been aware of this criminal (in this country) disgusting and just plain evil practice for some years.

As now illegal in UK girls are often sent 'home' for this disgusting mutilation.

Among other dreadful effects, physical and mental, it removes the enjoyment of sex.

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

Female circumcision makes it sound OK ish.

FGM Female Genital Mutilation is the correct term.

Sorry, really upset at this.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Its barbaric, "

And still going on here in secret or the girls are forcibly sent away. For years social services turned a blind eye to it, claiming that they didn't know how to deal with the cultural issues. The only issue that matters is that it is child abuse.

I'm only aware of one prosecution involving this country and that was assisting with a case that was prosecuted in Canada.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's a very brave and worthy storyline for the bbc to follow. Anything that raises awAreness is good in my eyes x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

totally wrong....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Bloody hell thats so wrong. It's Barbaric ffs !!!

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

140 Million Women effected jeeez! I have never heard of it.

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By *eal_Dick_TurpinMan
over a year ago

Exeter

so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

Do you know what they actually do to the female ? And the after effects

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

Personally, I worry about it for little baby boys too but male circumcision is better regulated and not carried out in quite the same way.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"140 Million Women effected jeeez! I have never heard of it. "

I'm not sure I can post the links to the figures for this country. Projects I have worked with have been trying to get this story out for the last twenty years. Woman's Hour did a whole programme on FGM last year, which is worth listening to if you can find it.

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By *tarbeckCouple
over a year ago

york

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"
My post above saying the term FGM was more accurate than Female circumcision obviously did not make it clear.

This mutilation is nothing like the removal of a foreskin, no similarity whatsoever.

Boys may have a risk of infection and a painful experience but are generally left full functional. No comparison whatsoever, whole different ball park..

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

The Tackling FGM Special Initiative Report, Joanne Hemmings, March 2011 pulled together some peer research which has interesting comments on generations and men.

There are mixed responses from men. It's seen as women's business and so not discussed but if asked if they want their daughters harmed in this way they say they don't. Mothers report that it is pressure from grandmothers to follow the tradition that means it continues.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

How can u even compare male and female! A lot of males need to have their foreskin removed as its too tight.. Its mainly done under aneasetic and in no way stops their ability to orgasm and its just a piece of skin.

For females they cut the clitorus out! Remove their ability to orgasm! That's the whole idea behind it.. They hold the girls down with no aneasetic and cut it out! Big big big difference

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I am too scared to even read this

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

G m is one of the saddest. Most barbaric assaults perpetrated on girls .. and done for what is seen as their future good. When can it be outlawed..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?

For females they cut the clitorus out! Remove their ability to orgasm! That's the whole idea behind it.. They hold the girls down with no aneasetic and cut it out! Big big big difference"

She is so right

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By *rtemisiaWoman
over a year ago

Norwich

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

Let's be clear about this. Male circumcision involves the removal of the foreskin which will not then go on to affect sexual pleasure or performance, in adult life, in any way.

Female 'circumsision' or female genital mutilation as it is properly called, involves cutting off the entire clitoris, so that the woman this child becomes one day, will never experience orgasm or true sexual pleasure....

Perhaps one would have to know what a clitoris is AND where to find it to find these facts at all shocking.

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Can hardly bring myself to imajine the horror of fgm especially while on a site where female sexuality is celebrated so freely and rightly so

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By *uke olovingmanMan
over a year ago

Gravesend

Next breast binding will be examined in fiction. Well done BBC for bringing such a sad and painful topic out for discussion

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The clitoris being removed is only one part to this horrendous crime.....often the labia are removed too, or at least stitched up. Many women die in childbirth after this procedure has been carried out.

Its not carried out in a sterile operating theatre, but often with old and rusty razors and knives by the older women, in a basic room. Anaesthetic would be a luxury. Infection and blood poisoning are huge problems, and some will go on to die from this too.

Any sexual enjoyment will be non existent....but then that's one of the purposes of the whole procedure.

I'm not even getting into the male circumcision debate.....there is no comparison between the two procedures whatsoever.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The clitoris being removed is only one part to this horrendous crime.....often the labia are removed too, or at least stitched up. Many women die in childbirth after this procedure has been carried out.

Any sexual enjoyment will be non existent....but then that's one of the purposes of the whole procedure.

I'm not even getting into the male circumcision debate.....there is no comparison between the two procedures whatsoever.

I saw something about this a few years ago, heard that for the "anaesthetic" they used to rub ashes on the parts to be cut out. How that works is beyond me. Actually, its all beyond me. Next weeks episode carries on the story and judging by the trailer advertised is going to be pretty gruesome.

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By *riskynriskyCouple
over a year ago

Essex.

I think that the above poster may be refering to the tribes in Africa that circumcise male youths and the basically wrap the bleeding penis in leaves and send the boy off into the wild for a month to survive. If he doesn't die of infection or starve to death he returns a man. The above poster may have worded his point a little better...

Both are horrific and no one should be forced to go through that, male or female. It's funny how as soon as people say it's my culture other people are scared to interfere. This is why people of all races and cultures should mix so the ghettos can not form. Parents would feel less pressure to conform to culture if they lived in a mixed area. Saying that I don't see how a loving parent could be forced into doing this to their child by friends or family...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow casualty causing a reaction.what ever next.?! Lmao"

I personally can't see whats to laugh about ,whether the subject is being broadcast from at drama or News, it's bringing the subject matter to the fore and making people aware of what is still going on in these countries, this is Barbaric !!......and we are supposed to be a civilised nation these days, irrespective of religion,

Bill.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Time using a rusty dull blade and no pain relief to cut a few willies off "surgeons" carrying out this procedure, see how they like it.

Give me time I'll come up with a suitable "procedure" for the female "surgeons".

Type III. Opening the wound up again for childbirth? Oh dear God.

Then you read on in the article, Breast Ironing? Just what is the matter with these people? I don't think education is the answer. Something a bit more, er, permanent shall we say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I can say is that these people are animals in fact they are far worse than animals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All I can say is that these people are animals in fact they are far worse than animals

Who are we to judge??? If Infact you are referring to tribes in Africa then maybe that this is all they know. Dont be under any ilusion that i agree with it because I do believe it's wrong and a lot of education is needed all over the world but these tribes have their beliefs and it will take a long time and a lot of hard work to change that.

I do believe it's very narrow minded to call them "far worse than animals"

Mr H

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Wow casualty causing a reaction.what ever next.?! Lmao

I'm not watching Casualty but if it is getting the information about FGM out then that is a good thing. The information campaigns have taken a long time to get heard."

I can remember at least 3 documentaries, over the last 4-5 years, which gave a great insight into FGM.

Some of the bits I found most interesting:

It’s women who carry out the procedure on the young girls.

It’s not usual for it to be a family member, such as a Grandmother, who is conducting the procedure.

It is genuinely believed to be in the best interest of the young girl.

Whilst the UK may have laws against FGM taking place on our shores, jumping up and down screaming 'outlaw it' is not the way top bring cultural change in other countries.... you just encourage people to take it further underground.

Education is the only way to bring about the changes required to see an end to FGM. Education cost money. So if you really want FGM to be a thing of the past..... dig deep.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

Ive removed some posts.

Its a very serious topic and people quite rightly have very strong views about it, but please leave out the name-calling so that it can be discussed properly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I must have been walking around with my eyes shut as far as this subject is concerned.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Breast Ironing? Just what is the matter with these people?

Just Googled it and now feel physically sick.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"Wow casualty causing a reaction.what ever next.?! Lmao

I'm not watching Casualty but if it is getting the information about FGM out then that is a good thing. The information campaigns have taken a long time to get heard.

I can remember at least 3 documentaries, over the last 4-5 years, which gave a great insight into FGM.

Some of the bits I found most interesting:

It’s women who carry out the procedure on the young girls.

It’s not usual for it to be a family member, such as a Grandmother, who is conducting the procedure.

It is genuinely believed to be in the best interest of the young girl.

Education is the only way to bring about the changes required to see an end to FGM. Education cost money. So if you really want FGM to be a thing of the past..... dig deep."

The documentaries reach a small, interested and, to some extent, informed audience. Casualty gives the subject mainstream exposure.

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I've just read a notification that four trust funders have put up £1.6m for a three year initiative to tackle FGM in this country.

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

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By *ezebelWoman
over a year ago

North of The Wall - youll need your vest

"I've just read a notification that four trust funders have put up £1.6m for a three year initiative to tackle FGM in this country."

Wonder if they watched 'Casualty'?

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"I've just read a notification that four trust funders have put up £1.6m for a three year initiative to tackle FGM in this country.

Wonder if they watched 'Casualty'?

No, they did pay for the initial research to capture the stories of FGM and put their weight behind get the mainstream media involved.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

"so what about male genital mutilation, aka male circumcision....

and what about the "discarded" tissues then being used in cosmetics etc?

y'all against genital mutilation of children, full stop, or y'all only give a fuck when it happens to leedle girls?"

There is a huge chasm of difference between the two. Look it up.

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

"Its barbaric, "

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Breast Ironing? Just what is the matter with these people?

Just Googled it and now feel physically sick."

And there is also the practice in China whereby girls used to have their feet bound so that their toes would end up bent right under the foot. The aim was to get it to look like a 'lotus' flower. Often into adulthood they would end up effectively crippled.

And of course there is the practice used in this country for quite some time - corsetting - which displaced internal organs.

The disabling and mutilation of females in different cultures has been going on for a very long time.

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