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"you can argue that a sane person dont reach for a gun, what is your view? "If a sane person won't reach for their gun, what is the point of them owning one ? | |||
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"Goldie looking chain...." Rappers do.. 
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"America is a different country to us. Superficially it looks and sounds like us but it isn’t. They are still fairly close to their origin roots and those roots relied on guns. They think and act differently to us and trying to put a British view on what they should do makes no sense. We need strong gun laws here. That is all we can control. Our views on what they should do are irrelevant." ^^^^ That. | |||
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"A tool is a tool. Im not for guns but in the US are easier to track to the owner. They do a ban or reduce the amount of guns there is going to be a lot of firearms that are going to be undetectable. The black market will become bigger. In the UK a ban on pistol grip firearms however alot of shootings (they very rarely Media hightlight it) are not traceable or accountable. Look at the recent case with the crossbow again something that you can buy on the Internet very easily with no background checks. Look at the UK knife crime, and murder rate and we have a BAN on guns People will kill people. A tool is a tool." Not sure what data you are looking at, but the murder rate in the USA is higher than that of the UK. A country that has to teach its kids to avoid active school shooters has a few problems, don’t you think? Gbat | |||
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I love that song and video lol xx"This is the only reason I opened this thread | |||
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"Ok, so it's in thier constitution. So doubt it will ever change. Spoke to loads of people in the USA. If anyone was to run for President calling for ban of guns. Well, they said he/she he would never be President lol Had this debate with someone else. If people want to kill or mass kill they will just find other ways. Not exactly hard to do lol Banning guns just means the only people with guns on the streets are the police and the criminals. " It’s an amendment to their constitution so the argument that it can’t be changed doesn’t seem very strong! Of course a mass killer could choose a different method, but why make it easy by selling assault rifles? And what’s so wrong with only the security forces and criminals possessing firearms? How does it help if anyone and everyone has a gun? Gbat | |||
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"Ok, so it's in thier constitution. So doubt it will ever change. Spoke to loads of people in the USA. If anyone was to run for President calling for ban of guns. Well, they said he/she he would never be President lol Had this debate with someone else. If people want to kill or mass kill they will just find other ways. Not exactly hard to do lol Banning guns just means the only people with guns on the streets are the police and the criminals. It’s an amendment to their constitution so the argument that it can’t be changed doesn’t seem very strong! Of course a mass killer could choose a different method, but why make it easy by selling assault rifles? And what’s so wrong with only the security forces and criminals possessing firearms? How does it help if anyone and everyone has a gun? Gbat " Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol | |||
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"Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol " Or shoot an innocent young black man who knocks on your door for a good reason? In reality though, are you dashing to your gun safe, loading your weapon, getting a line of sight and being mentally prepared to shoot someone? And all in the time that it takes for the intruder to level their ready prepared weapon at you? Hmmmhh! Hollywood does a good job of portraying just this scenario! Gbat | |||
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"The USA the approx same number of guns available per head in their domestic population is v similar to Canada ! Fact However …. The deaths though gun crime are hugely less in Canada Also my should a military rifle and automatic weapons be sold over the counter ? Yes it’s the Person who pulls the trigger is the killer not the gun " Could you post your source on Canada having similar gun ownership per capita as the USA ? I've googled the subject. Looked at various sites and charts and the highest Canada was 7th on one of the lists. With a quarter of the guns per capita of the USA. On all the charts, the USA is head and shoulders above whoever is 2nd. | |||
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"Unfortunately because of the nra and their political donations it will never happen " Yes, one of the reasons are the nra. I wonder if trump will change it if he wins, especially after what happened to him too? | |||
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"Just put of curiosity. What do US laws on guns/rifles have to do with us in the UK? Thier country, thier laws. " Yes a good point if somewhat simplistic. There is something perverse and something of the night about a country that permits a 17 year old (in some states) to purchase a high powered weapon with very little by way of information or validation documentary evidence but on the other hand denies the rights of women to governance over their body? It a funny country the USA don’t you think? | |||
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"Unfortunately because of the nra and their political donations it will never happen Yes, one of the reasons are the nra. I wonder if trump will change it if he wins, especially after what happened to him too?" Trump is being told what to do and say with regards to reconciliation and all the other unity plaudits he can sign up to. His PR people will be saying to him just keep it simple be statesman like and you’ve won! | |||
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"Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol Or shoot an innocent young black man who knocks on your door for a good reason? In reality though, are you dashing to your gun safe, loading your weapon, getting a line of sight and being mentally prepared to shoot someone? And all in the time that it takes for the intruder to level their ready prepared weapon at you? Hmmmhh! Hollywood does a good job of portraying just this scenario! Gbat " I didn't say knock the door. I said break in. I.e entered property without permission. So he's not come to sell me double glazing lol And yes I have been trained on handguns and rifles so yes, I would be prepared to pull that trigger and save family lol | |||
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"Guns don't kill people, rappers do, I saw it on a documentary on bbc2 (Sorry) (I'm not sorry)" Was waiting too see if any other GLC fans about here,"you knows it"  | |||
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"Guns*do* kill and they allow people to kill more people, more efficiently. That old thing about 'guns don't kill, people do' is a distraction " Yes it is a total cop-out. When’s the last time a gun unlocked itself from its cabinet, went to a school and shot someone? Never. People with guns kill people | |||
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"It really doesn't matter at this point. You can't put it back in the box, it is far too big a part of the culture, especially in certain states. Even still as a young(ish) country, you have generations of a way of life to be changed. For it to have any chance to take hold it would need to be done very slowly and gradually over many (many!!!) years. Phasing changes a bit at a time." Yes. Bit hard to get the shit back into the dog at this stage | |||
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"Ok, so it's in thier constitution. So doubt it will ever change. Spoke to loads of people in the USA. If anyone was to run for President calling for ban of guns. Well, they said he/she he would never be President lol Had this debate with someone else. If people want to kill or mass kill they will just find other ways. Not exactly hard to do lol Banning guns just means the only people with guns on the streets are the police and the criminals. It’s an amendment to their constitution so the argument that it can’t be changed doesn’t seem very strong! Of course a mass killer could choose a different method, but why make it easy by selling assault rifles? And what’s so wrong with only the security forces and criminals possessing firearms? How does it help if anyone and everyone has a gun? Gbat Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol " Hot burglary, when the homeowner is home, in the States is much lower per capita than the UK. | |||
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"Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol Or shoot an innocent young black man who knocks on your door for a good reason? In reality though, are you dashing to your gun safe, loading your weapon, getting a line of sight and being mentally prepared to shoot someone? And all in the time that it takes for the intruder to level their ready prepared weapon at you? Hmmmhh! Hollywood does a good job of portraying just this scenario! Gbat I didn't say knock the door. I said break in. I.e entered property without permission. So he's not come to sell me double glazing lol And yes I have been trained on handguns and rifles so yes, I would be prepared to pull that trigger and save family lol" I didn’t say you’d said knock the door. But you know that really happened don’t you? A young man was shot dead for knocking on the wrong door. I mention it as it’s a problematic spin off of gun ownership. And if you’re trained in firearms, you’ll understand the rest of that paragraph you didn’t reference. Will you have enough time to get your weapon from the safe, load it, get yourself into a tactically advantageous position and only then, pull the trigger? You seem to be glossing over a lot of what you’d need to do and just talk about the end point. Gbat | |||
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"Sandy Hook was the moment where this might be turned around. Americans (or at least Americans with the power to change anything) showed us who they are in that moment, and we should believe them." To be fair, this was clear a long time before Sandy Hook | |||
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"Criminal breaks into house with a gun, you could shoot them I guess lol Or shoot an innocent young black man who knocks on your door for a good reason? In reality though, are you dashing to your gun safe, loading your weapon, getting a line of sight and being mentally prepared to shoot someone? And all in the time that it takes for the intruder to level their ready prepared weapon at you? Hmmmhh! Hollywood does a good job of portraying just this scenario! Gbat I didn't say knock the door. I said break in. I.e entered property without permission. So he's not come to sell me double glazing lol And yes I have been trained on handguns and rifles so yes, I would be prepared to pull that trigger and save family lol" You add “lol” to a sentence in which you say you would be prepared to shoot someone? | |||
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"A tool is a tool. Im not for guns but in the US are easier to track to the owner. They do a ban or reduce the amount of guns there is going to be a lot of firearms that are going to be undetectable. The black market will become bigger. In the UK a ban on pistol grip firearms however alot of shootings (they very rarely Media hightlight it) are not traceable or accountable. Look at the recent case with the crossbow again something that you can buy on the Internet very easily with no background checks. Look at the UK knife crime, and murder rate and we have a BAN on guns People will kill people. A tool is a tool. Not sure what data you are looking at, but the murder rate in the USA is higher than that of the UK. A country that has to teach its kids to avoid active school shooters has a few problems, don’t you think? Gbat " Our murder rate is lower iv never said we was with a gun ban we still have a gun murder. I think people forget how big the United States of America is put i perspective Texas is three and a half times the size of the the UK with a third of the population. Thats one state. 333.3m people in the USA where 66.9m in the UK. And the gun crime in the states includes suicide in its stats. Which is a big % of the stats. | |||
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" I didn’t say you’d said knock the door. But you know that really happened don’t you? A young man was shot dead for knocking on the wrong door. I mention it as it’s a problematic spin off of gun ownership. And if you’re trained in firearms, you’ll understand the rest of that paragraph you didn’t reference. Will you have enough time to get your weapon from the safe, load it, get yourself into a tactically advantageous position and only then, pull the trigger? You seem to be glossing over a lot of what you’d need to do and just talk about the end point. Gbat " How often has it happened that a random person knocking a door was shot dead? As for going for a gun in an emergency, I don't think people always keep them in locked safe the way you say. They typically keep them within reach. If they hear some noise in the house, they should be able to load it on time. One issue people seem to miss when they talk about US is how huge the country is and how spread across their population is. If you are living in the suburbs, your protection is in your own hands. You can't expect police or even neighbours to notice anything and help you. Not to mention the fact that the size of the country makes it impossible to enforce any bans in practice. That would mean it's only the dodgy people who end up getting hold of guns. | |||
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" There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. " Which countries? " This "protection being in their own hands" idea that you have, that's the crux of what we are talking about here. The proliferation of guns makes protecting the population HARDER not easier. " The problem is that you can't prevent this proliferation in a country like US. They have invested billions in war against dr&gs and see where they are now. If you impose restrictions, it's only the law abiding people who would end up following them. Criminals will continue to use firearms. So it's not a matter of freedom to own guns vs gun restrictions. It's about gun ownership for everyone vs gun ownership for just the criminals. | |||
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"you can argue that a sane person dont reach for a gun, what is your view?
If a sane person won't reach for their gun, what is the point of them owning one ?"I guess it is because of their gun culture, because of that, they might feel they need to have one, it is deeply ingrained in american society too. | |||
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" There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. Which countries? This "protection being in their own hands" idea that you have, that's the crux of what we are talking about here. The proliferation of guns makes protecting the population HARDER not easier. The problem is that you can't prevent this proliferation in a country like US. They have invested billions in war against dr&gs and see where they are now. If you impose restrictions, it's only the law abiding people who would end up following them. Criminals will continue to use firearms. So it's not a matter of freedom to own guns vs gun restrictions. It's about gun ownership for everyone vs gun ownership for just the criminals." Same here in uk. All the criminals have guns. They aren’t controlled, screened or licensed. It’s only the legal owners who end up penalised. | |||
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"If there's no guns people will use rocks" True. But less people would die that way. Drive-by rock-throwing is more difficult | |||
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"If there's no guns people will use rocks" Or a board with a nail in it, and then they'll make bigger boards and bigger nails, and soon, they will make a board with a nail so big, it will destroy them all! | |||
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"If there's no guns people will use rocks" How many people can one person with a rock kill and injure in one minute compared to one person with an automatic rifle? | |||
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"If there's no guns people will use rocks True. But less people would die that way. Drive-by rock-throwing is more difficult " But far more respectable. Takes skill to kill a person with a pebble from distance whilst both moving | |||
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"The right to bare arms was born out of the people having the ability to protect themselves against a corrupt government. Look at what happened in China when they removed their right to bare arms. Communist party moved in and massacred hundreds of thousands of their people. I think the day the American people lose their right to bare arms, is the day we will see a very orwellian society. The day the armies of the world give up their weapons is the day I'll support the people giving theirs up. Jacque fresco "a future by design" is a very interesting documentary to watch. He outlines the way society could be and how a resource based economy would help eradicate a lot of the violence we see in the world. We have enough to provide for the world over, multiple times, but we are controlled by psychotic,power hungry demons that are hell bent on watching the world burn. " You left religious zealots off the list. | |||
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"There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. Which countries? " Off the top of my head? Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Ireland. That's without checking any data. " If you impose restrictions, it's only the law abiding people who would end up following them. Criminals will continue to use firearms. So it's not a matter of freedom to own guns vs gun restrictions. It's about gun ownership for everyone vs gun ownership for just the criminals." No, it isn't. Less guns is better. Of course the security forces will still have firearms so it's not just the villains is it? Law abiding citizens owning guns doesn't make the US safer. Go back and look at the data. Gbat | |||
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"There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. Which countries? Off the top of my head? Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Ireland. That's without checking any data. If you impose restrictions, it's only the law abiding people who would end up following them. Criminals will continue to use firearms. So it's not a matter of freedom to own guns vs gun restrictions. It's about gun ownership for everyone vs gun ownership for just the criminals. No, it isn't. Less guns is better. Of course the security forces will still have firearms so it's not just the villains is it? Law abiding citizens owning guns doesn't make the US safer. Go back and look at the data. Gbat " I work in close quarter protection. Guns are a part of my day to day. I firmly believe if the government and police have access to weapons, so should the people. History shows us time and time again it's never too long before those in power abuse it when they take the power of defence away from it's people | |||
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"There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. Which countries? Off the top of my head? Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Ireland. That's without checking any data. " You are confusing countries with lots of land not being populated with people just being spread across like American suburbs? Not to mention the fact that every country you mentioned is an Island that makes it easier to enforce gun control. " No, it isn't. Less guns is better. Of course the security forces will still have firearms so it's not just the villains is it? " Security forces can't be everywhere, can they? You just have to look at how often burglaries are even investigated in the UK | |||
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"There are lots of countries with dispersed populations that don't have the rate of gun deaths that the US has. Which countries? Off the top of my head? Australia, New Zealand, Scotland, Ireland. That's without checking any data. If you impose restrictions, it's only the law abiding people who would end up following them. Criminals will continue to use firearms. So it's not a matter of freedom to own guns vs gun restrictions. It's about gun ownership for everyone vs gun ownership for just the criminals. No, it isn't. Less guns is better. Of course the security forces will still have firearms so it's not just the villains is it? Law abiding citizens owning guns doesn't make the US safer. Go back and look at the data. Gbat I work in close quarter protection. Guns are a part of my day to day. I firmly believe if the government and police have access to weapons, so should the people. History shows us time and time again it's never too long before those in power abuse it when they take the power of defence away from it's people" It always concerns me when people fess up to being in the biz, no real need to advertise such matters. Access to fire arms need to be very strictly supervised turning up at Walmart with a note from your mum allowing you to purchase an ADFSnot the way forward. | |||
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"I carried a firearm as part of my previous job. And I disagree with you. Gbat " Same and same. | |||
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"Anywhere large amount of persons who own guns crime is low" Can you share your data? The US has a much higher homicide rate than the UK and lots more guns. Gbat | |||
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"Anywhere large amount of persons who own guns crime is low" Yeah statistics do not back this up US is the prime example of this | |||
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"Quick Google search. These are UN figures. The US had a homicide rate of 6,383 people per 100,000 Wales and England had a homicide rate of 1,148 per 100,000. Basically, you’re more than 5 times more likely to be murdered in the US compared to that part of the UK. It’s even safer in Scotland but less safe in Northern Ireland. Check it out for yourself. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate Gbat " So? Singapore and Japan have much lower homicide rates compared to UK. Would you be happy to adapt a strict social structure the way they do? | |||
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"You are confusing countries with lots of land not being populated with people just being spread across like American suburbs? " No, I'm not. You mentioned the US has a spread out population and I've shown you other countries with a spread out population that don't have the same issues with self defence. "Not to mention the fact that every country you mentioned is an Island that makes it easier to enforce gun control." Ireland has a land border with Northern Ireland. Scotland has a land border with England. But apart from that, you do know just how big Australia is right? It's not the Isle of Wight FFS! "Security forces can't be everywhere, can they? You just have to look at how often burglaries are even investigated in the UK. " Less gun crime to deal with, then the security forces can actually attend your burglary. And regarding the above post. I've no particular desire to model where I live on Japan or Singapore, but neither do I want the proliferation of guns to make my home look like the old wild west. I don't know why you'd make that comment?? More guns = Less safe. Gbat | |||
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"You are confusing countries with lots of land not being populated with people just being spread across like American suburbs? No, I'm not. You mentioned the US has a spread out population and I've shown you other countries with a spread out population that don't have the same issues with self defence. " Most part of Australia for example is uninhabited. That's not spreading out the population. " Ireland has a land border with Northern Ireland. Scotland has a land border with England. " It isn't that hard to realise that the countries they share the borders also have gun restrictions. " Less gun crime to deal with, then the security forces can actually attend your burglary. " You know that police in England do fuck all about burglaries these days right? Ever wondered why? " And regarding the above post. I've no particular desire to model where I live on Japan or Singapore, but neither do I want the proliferation of guns to make my home look like the old wild west. I don't know why you'd make that comment?? " I am pointing out that any policy decision you make, comes at a cost. If we have even more authoritarianism, we could reduce our homicide rates further. Are you willing to sacrifice some liberty for safety? The Americans are happy to give up some safety for the sake of liberty. I personally don't prefer that. But I respect their choice and wouldn't judge them based on that. | |||
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"Thankfully guns will never be legal in this country, no matter how much the crazies think it’s a good idea. " Guns are perfectly legal in the UK and Ireland! What are you on about! Every single country has gun ownership | |||
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"Oh sweet jesus you actually used Wikipedia as a source! Like honestly! Any town is USA that requires every household by law to own a firearm has the lowest crime rates in the US all crime not just gun crime, Switzerland, Norway, Sweden, Finland lots and lots of countries have very high gun ownerships, every farmer has multiple guns! It's people and mindsets not guns! " I used the United Nations office on Drugs and Crime. I'd be keen to see your data on US crime stats though. That sounds interesting. I'm not against gun ownership, I'm against stupid gun ownership. If you need a rifle to hunt, great. You probably won't be using an automatic rifle though, not even for geese. Gbat Gbat | |||
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"So your entire defence is based on 1 country v the rest of the world, seriously " I'm guessing that's directed at me? It's much easier to follow if you use the reply and quote button. I'm not "defending" anything! This thread is about gun control in the US. If you want to broaden it to other countries, be my guest. Perhaps it would be polite to start your own thread though? It's hard to tell with the written word, but are you angry with my comments for some reason? I don't think I'm holding any unusual views. A lot of people would agree with what I'm saying, a lot won't. Gbat | |||
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"Thankfully guns will never be legal in this country, no matter how much the crazies think it’s a good idea. " They are legal in this country. It's just tighter restrictions to buy one. | |||
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"I know a few Americans, whom are very responsible gun owners. And whilst I don't agree with everything they say, a lot of their points are rational and not addressed by those against gun ownership. America has a lot of guns, I mean a lot. Making them illegal will not make them disappear. People who are criminals, probably already own guns illegally and they will not care if guns become universally illegal. The argument that making guns illegal therefore there will be less guns is contentious. Perhaps in volume, but not in terms of the proportion of responsible gun owners. Dangerous people will still have guns and access to them. Law abiding people won't. The anti-defence argument is a poor one. The police are not going to attend quickly enough to intervene in a burglary or assault. And this is what it comes down to for me. Do we have a right to defend ourselves if our lives are threatened? I think we do and the law is not useful after the fact, if I or my children are dead." Very well put | |||
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"I know a few Americans, whom are very responsible gun owners. And whilst I don't agree with everything they say, a lot of their points are rational and not addressed by those against gun ownership. America has a lot of guns, I mean a lot. Making them illegal will not make them disappear. People who are criminals, probably already own guns illegally and they will not care if guns become universally illegal. The argument that making guns illegal therefore there will be less guns is contentious. Perhaps in volume, but not in terms of the proportion of responsible gun owners. Dangerous people will still have guns and access to them. Law abiding people won't. The anti-defence argument is a poor one. The police are not going to attend quickly enough to intervene in a burglary or assault. And this is what it comes down to for me. Do we have a right to defend ourselves if our lives are threatened? I think we do and the law is not useful after the fact, if I or my children are dead." THIS! This is exactly the point I was trying to make further up the thread. If we wish for guns to go, then we need to look at the societal problems that cause crime. I.e poverty. At this point I'd like to think people understand we no longer have a gold backed currency anywhere in the globe and it's all done on fractional reserve (basically made up numbers and print at will based on the population of said country and the average an individual will earn in a life time) Money and it's value is quite literally made up and a use for keeping people squabbling over crumbs. | |||
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"Thankfully guns will never be legal in this country, no matter how much the crazies think it’s a good idea. " I own 13 legally registered firearms. So fairly sure they sre legal, there is no firearm that cannot be owned with the correct certification. | |||
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"Lots of countries have more guns than USA has per capita, nail guns kill lots of people so do cars " guns per 100 people 1. usa 2. falkland islands | |||
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" I own 13 legally registered firearms. " I am curious why you need so many | |||
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" I own 13 legally registered firearms. I am curious why you need so many" Competitive shooter? | |||
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"Thankfully guns will never be legal in this country, no matter how much the crazies think it’s a good idea. " They are legal though, you just have to jump through hoops to get them. I would love to own a few large caliber rifles, but I can't the cost needed to own one and keep it safe. Tjhen you have to find somewhere, that will let you shoot a .50 rifle. | |||
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"With the latest happening in america, trump was very luck this time, is it time for a tigher gun law? There is a gun for every person there, you can argue that a sane person dont reach for a gun, what is your view? "Its a Americans right to kill does that make them insane ? | |||
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"It’s no here who cares , end a the day it’s in there constitution and culture , don’t know why folk get so heat up over it " Mostly Euro-liberals and intelligentsia cares , especially ex-pats they seem to be more obsessed about American politics and laws than UK ones. America is a dangerous place. Imagine telling British people they’re going to outlaw using physical force to defend yourself against physical force. So if you are attacked in in the street by a gang or in your own home by intruders you’re not allowed to fight back. This is what gun-control sounds like to the the average American | |||
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"It’s no here who cares , end a the day it’s in there constitution and culture , don’t know why folk get so heat up over it Mostly Euro-liberals and intelligentsia cares , especially ex-pats they seem to be more obsessed about American politics and laws than UK ones. America is a dangerous place. Imagine telling British people they’re going to outlaw using physical force to defend yourself against physical force. So if you are attacked in in the street by a gang or in your own home by intruders you’re not allowed to fight back. This is what gun-control sounds like to the the average American" lol didn’t need the lesson my uncle lives in states and we love shooting a just love to upset all the do gooders on here | |||
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"It’s no here who cares , end a the day it’s in there constitution and culture , don’t know why folk get so heat up over it Mostly Euro-liberals and intelligentsia cares , especially ex-pats they seem to be more obsessed about American politics and laws than UK ones. America is a dangerous place. Imagine telling British people they’re going to outlaw using physical force to defend yourself against physical force. So if you are attacked in in the street by a gang or in your own home by intruders you’re not allowed to fight back. This is what gun-control sounds like to the the average American" We have pretty good laws around self defence, reasonable force is the key phrase around our reaction to being attacked. In very broad terms and there are shades of grey depending on the circumstances........ Man pushes you, you can push back. Reasonable force. Man pushes you, you break his neck. Unreasonable. Man punches you, you can punch back. Man kicks you, you can kick him back. Man pulls a knife or gun, you're screwed. As a law abiding individual you don't carry a knife of gun. I read a UK v USA hot burglary (where the resident is at home) comparison report a while ago. In the States hot burglary numbers going down. In the UK numbers going up. | |||
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"It’s no here who cares , end a the day it’s in there constitution and culture , don’t know why folk get so heat up over it Mostly Euro-liberals and intelligentsia cares , especially ex-pats they seem to be more obsessed about American politics and laws than UK ones. America is a dangerous place. Imagine telling British people they’re going to outlaw using physical force to defend yourself against physical force. So if you are attacked in in the street by a gang or in your own home by intruders you’re not allowed to fight back. This is what gun-control sounds like to the the average American We have pretty good laws around self defence, reasonable force is the key phrase around our reaction to being attacked. In very broad terms and there are shades of grey depending on the circumstances........ Man pushes you, you can push back. Reasonable force. Man pushes you, you break his neck. Unreasonable. Man punches you, you can punch back. Man kicks you, you can kick him back. Man pulls a knife or gun, you're screwed. As a law abiding individual you don't carry a knife of gun. I read a UK v USA hot burglary (where the resident is at home) comparison report a while ago. In the States hot burglary numbers going down. In the UK numbers going up. " . ...all crime in the US is down | |||
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"Thankfully guns will never be legal in this country, no matter how much the crazies think it’s a good idea. They are legal though, you just have to jump through hoops to get them. I would love to own a few large caliber rifles, but I can't the cost needed to own one and keep it safe. Tjhen you have to find somewhere, that will let you shoot a .50 rifle." Cost of .50 bmg isn't just a UK thing, talking £10 a trigger pull anywhere in the world, | |||
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" I own 13 legally registered firearms. I am curious why you need so many" Different firearms for different applications, I'm not shooting rabbits with a .308 and I'm not shooting deer with a .22lr,fox is a different caliber again, then I have dedicated target rifles ,shotguns you cab own as many as you like as long as you keep them secure,but again different shotguns for different applications. | |||
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"In an ideal world there would be no guns But there are So I personally don't like the idea of someone else being able to have a weapon that I'm not allowed to have In an ideal world ammunition would be cheaper, If I was American I'd be 2nd amendment all the way " | |||
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"Let’s be honest …. USA is one seriously screwed up country! The law is political and is dependent upon wealth - as is everything in American society. USA is ‘wedded’ to its love of guns and its laws will never be eradicated … no matter who is in power. Therefore they reap what they sow, and will always have mass killings etc. I do find it kinda funny that gun law is enshrined in ‘the 2nd amendment’ …. Isn’t the definition of an amendment ‘a change’ … but you can’t amend an amendment!! .. lol. I also recall USA once had a ban on alcohol during the prohibition … it’s amazing what you can change when you want to!! Oh by the way, I’m both an FAC and SGC holder, so in no way completely opposed to firearms ownership. R x" They can repeal 2a but it will take either two thirds or three quarters (can't remember off top of my head) to agree to it, probably a bit late for it to make any real difference at the moment anyway. Things like proper implementation of CAP laws are the best place to start | |||
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