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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.

I watched an interesting program about someone who lived in brazil and talked about different things and he mentioned about how the schools there have been militarised and how positively the change have been in some areas.

He talked about a program that was set out to change troublesome schools to be role model schools, does it sound to good to be true? That is actually what have become the reality, the schools are set in

troublesome areas, in what can be called as comunidades.

He mentioned how many teachers and pupils dont even dear to go to the school, inside the school the drug dealers rule, the president wanted when he was a president to find a solution, he wanted to test and enforce a new order in some of these schools, voluntary from the military could take over the administration of the school and to be in charge of the security.

He added that after the change, now they could work under much more calmer situation, the pupils loved it, so did the teachers, but it was criticised very hard by the left, it was talked that the president wanted to militarise the pupils, but that whole thing eventually stopped by the left thinking that, the class room got in order, the disorder ended, the drug dealers got sent out, they started to use school uniform, learn the national athem, teachers could teach without getting thretened, the study results improved drastically very quickly, just in few weeks.

Now there are hundreds of these schools in brasil, you could say that it is civil military schools and the parents are in a queue to get their kids in there, even the kids are telling their parents how much they want to be there, the school are in all the state that have a conservative government.

What is your view about it, do you think that they could use the same kind of idea in troublesome schools in the uk and transform them? I think that it could be one of the solutions for it too

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By *allySlinkyWoman
18 weeks ago

Leeds

These schools were set up by former President Bolsonaro, a right wing army captain. He has now been charged with smuggling $1.2 million worth of jewellery into Brazil from Saudi Arabia. He was defeated in last year's election.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago

I still remember when the police and military actively murdered Brazilian Street children. Something like 6000 kids were killed between 88-91. Brazil do not exactly have the best track record for child welfare.

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By *CBoyTV/TS
18 weeks ago

Tonypandy

Stupid idea. Unfortunately the comprehensive system is a failure as its ended up with massive schools with no personalities and no grounding to the localities because of huge catchment areas. Abilities are so mixed that no one is able to be taught at the right level to suit their potential.

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By *onameyet2Man
18 weeks ago

chorley


"I watched an interesting program about someone who lived in brazil and talked about different things and he mentioned about how the schools there have been militarised and how positively the change have been in some areas.

He talked about a program that was set out to change troublesome schools to be role model schools, does it sound to good to be true? That is actually what have become the reality, the schools are set in

troublesome areas, in what can be called as comunidades.

He mentioned how many teachers and pupils dont even dear to go to the school, inside the school the drug dealers rule, the president wanted when he was a president to find a solution, he wanted to test and enforce a new order in some of these schools, voluntary from the military could take over the administration of the school and to be in charge of the security.

He added that after the change, now they could work under much more calmer situation, the pupils loved it, so did the teachers, but it was criticised very hard by the left, it was talked that the president wanted to militarise the pupils, but that whole thing eventually stopped by the left thinking that, the class room got in order, the disorder ended, the drug dealers got sent out, they started to use school uniform, learn the national athem, teachers could teach without getting thretened, the study results improved drastically very quickly, just in few weeks.

Now there are hundreds of these schools in brasil, you could say that it is civil military schools and the parents are in a queue to get their kids in there, even the kids are telling their parents how much they want to be there, the school are in all the state that have a conservative government.

What is your view about it, do you think that they could use the same kind of idea in troublesome schools in the uk and transform them? I think that it could be one of the solutions for it too "

Don’t believe the hype

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By *aomilatteCouple
18 weeks ago

Midlands

What's the program called please and on what channel?

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By *allySlinkyWoman
18 weeks ago

Leeds

There is an article in Education International 5 August 2021 which is titled 'these schools are a threat to the education process and to democracy'.

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By *rab74Man
18 weeks ago

Huntingdon

Right-wingers seem perpetually surprised at how putting proper finance into public services can improve things.

What British schools need isn't more wankery with bizarre rules, it's the basic money to stop the classroom roof falling down, to buy textbooks and supplies, and to be able to pay teachers. It looks like we might be finally getting that, but we've got 14 years of damage to fix.

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By *allySlinkyWoman
18 weeks ago

Leeds

I agree

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By *andG2024Couple
18 weeks ago

Atherstone


"Right-wingers seem perpetually surprised at how putting proper finance into public services can improve things.

What British schools need isn't more wankery with bizarre rules, it's the basic money to stop the classroom roof falling down, to buy textbooks and supplies, and to be able to pay teachers. It looks like we might be finally getting that, but we've got 14 years of damage to fix.

"

Of course the lefties will leave us bust agsin within 5 year

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By *allySlinkyWoman
18 weeks ago

Leeds

How can funding get any worse than under the Conservatives ? Times Educational Supplement May 2024 "99% of head teachers say they have insufficient SEND funding to meet pupil's needs"

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"What's the program called please and on what channel?"
It is not a progam on its own, it was just a little program talk about it in the swedish news, it was interesting too

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
18 weeks ago

East Sussex

The military isn't the answer to every problem.

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
18 weeks ago

London

Might be the worst idea of school reform I've heard yet.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
18 weeks ago

Central

Bolsonaro was repugnant and I'd not trust him. But if research shows that this is the best way in that environment to help kids to learn and to keep people safe, it's right. I'm guessing few options were researched though.

It's almost certainly not right for here

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By *hrill CollinsMan
18 weeks ago

The Outer Rim

a simple no from me

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By *oodmessMan
18 weeks ago

yumsville

Nope.. How can the effective imprisonment of children possibly be an answer to good education

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
18 weeks ago

Hell


"Right-wingers seem perpetually surprised at how putting proper finance into public services can improve things.

What British schools need isn't more wankery with bizarre rules, it's the basic money to stop the classroom roof falling down, to buy textbooks and supplies, and to be able to pay teachers. It looks like we might be finally getting that, but we've got 14 years of damage to fix.

Of course the lefties will leave us bust agsin within 5 year "

Because we’re rolling in money right now. What a ridiculous comment.

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By *allerthanaverage79Man
18 weeks ago

Ayrshire

Hey kids, having social and economic problems, why not lear n to use firearms and explosives, and if you already carry a knife, we'll show you hot to use it properly!!!

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By *ycanNightsMan
18 weeks ago

Workington

Surely putting the military into schools is just a recruitment tactic...

Anyway no...kids are there to learn ...not to get military indoctrination.

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By *ansoffateMan
18 weeks ago

Sagittarius A

No the use of authoritarian policies like militarism to resolve social issues is inherently fascist and the antithesis of everything I consider a free-society to be about.

The means have to be consistent with the ends you hope to achieve. As the means are what shapes the values a society has.

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By *ssex_tomMan
18 weeks ago

Chelmsford

They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn

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By *icolerobbieCouple
18 weeks ago

walsall


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn"

Too right Tom, some of these teaching types are on more illegal substances than the pupils. What’s going on here?

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By *4bimMan
18 weeks ago

Farnborough Hampshire


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn"

The real danger is if you train or discipline pupils what you end up with is a bunch of thugs who now know how to kill efficiently. Society would have a problem controlling them because they would be wired differently and out of control.

We need to be careful in our thinking and ideas

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By *ansoffateMan
18 weeks ago

Sagittarius A


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn

The real danger is if you train or discipline pupils what you end up with is a bunch of thugs who now know how to kill efficiently. Society would have a problem controlling them because they would be wired differently and out of control.

We need to be careful in our thinking and ideas

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And trained with a jingoistic obedience of any orders passed down to them, regardless of how inhumane they may be.

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By *4bimMan
18 weeks ago

Farnborough Hampshire


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn

The real danger is if you train or discipline pupils what you end up with is a bunch of thugs who now know how to kill efficiently. Society would have a problem controlling them because they would be wired differently and out of control.

We need to be careful in our thinking and ideas

And trained with a jingoistic obedience of any orders passed down to them, regardless of how inhumane they may be. "

Problem is when your young you do not worry about consequences. This is why so many young carry knifes.they are not worried about time in prison.

As we get older we know spending 20+ years behind bars isn't desirable because life is ruined at the age you are released.

Kill at 20 come out at 40 or earlier you still have a fair amount of life to live.

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By *rHotNottsMan
18 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Right-wingers seem perpetually surprised at how putting proper finance into public services can improve things.

What British schools need isn't more wankery with bizarre rules, it's the basic money to stop the classroom roof falling down, to buy textbooks and supplies, and to be able to pay teachers. It looks like we might be finally getting that, but we've got 14 years of damage to fix.

Of course the lefties will leave us bust agsin within 5 year

Because we’re rolling in money right now. What a ridiculous comment. "

Debt isn’t always a bad thing if it’s for the right investments. 3.5bn was auctioned recently but only in 3 & 6 month treasury bills. If labour want to borrow for 5-10 years for the right things on the right terms there are lots of people ready to invest.

Let’s see what ideas they have first and how much they want

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
18 weeks ago

North West

Do Swedish schools need military intervention, Shag? They get an excellent write up internationally and everyone wants to replicate them.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"Bolsonaro was repugnant and I'd not trust him. But if research shows that this is the best way in that environment to help kids to learn and to keep people safe, it's right. I'm guessing few options were researched though.

It's almost certainly not right for here"
Yes, if the research shows it helps the kids to learn and to keep people safe. I dont see any problems with it

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *ou only live onceMan
18 weeks ago

London

I think schools should have discipline, for everyone's sake, but don't think you need anything militaristic to do that.

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By (user no longer on site)
18 weeks ago


"Do Swedish schools need military intervention, Shag? They get an excellent write up internationally and everyone wants to replicate them."

That's like comparing apples and potatoes

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
18 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.

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By *hagTonight OP   Man
17 weeks ago

From the land of haribos.


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy Corbn"
Yes, introducing the army in failing schools, no doubt would see a big change quick, both in grades and how they act, what is usually missing is direction and guidance too

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By *ssex_tomMan
17 weeks ago

Chelmsford


"They should send in the army to failing schools and insert discipline in both teachers and children. Teachers should dress properly and set an example. Some of them dress like Jeremy CorbnYes, introducing the army in failing schools, no doubt would see a big change quick, both in grades and how they act, what is usually missing is direction and guidance too "

Send Army instructors in with Army PTIs. Physical Training Instructors

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