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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Thought this was going to be about wedding announcements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes x let the jockeys ride people instead

piggy back anyone? Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No...

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

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over a year ago

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By *ngel n tedCouple
over a year ago

maidstone

I think the jockey's should ride foxes

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By *enithWoman
over a year ago

closer than you think

if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

I have mixed feelings about this: I love watching horse racing and jumps are thrilling. I always watch the Grand National.

I don't like horses, or people, getting hurt. It's been a while since I last rode one but I have never come across the horse you could force to make such jumps. I have seen some horses that I have felt just loved the thrill as much as the jockey.

The new safety measures don't seem to have helped much on the race today but I think I will still be watching tomorrow.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

Can we ban politicians on the same grounds.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

all the no's??

so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ?

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By *rystal denisonWoman
over a year ago

trowbridge

nope .

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

I have grown up with horses and horse racing... my dad bred race horses. Horses are very stubborn creatures if they don't want to do something they won't.. I know that animal protection agencies have been involved in the GN and fences have been changed and lowered... All sports are dangerous. I have known horses to drop dead during a dessage event...

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"if a horse doesn't want to jump a fence then it won't. How many times do you see horses that have lost the jockey still running and jumping the fences? (usually bringing down the horse I have bet on!!)

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they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that

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By *rystal denisonWoman
over a year ago

trowbridge

"all the no's??

so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ?

its human nature to make others suffer don't make it right but this is what the horses are bred for sure you could make it safe but the whole point is to test there endurance and breeding ect

when we ban everything that is a danger to others then sure we should also ban this

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thought this was going to be about wedding announcements."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"all the no's??

so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ?

Well someone has to fill up the burger isle on Monday mate

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By *rystal denisonWoman
over a year ago

trowbridge

they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that "

you have not ridden a stubborn arab then lol

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that

you have not ridden a stubborn arab then lol "
ive got one

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

no shouldnt be banned

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By *rystal denisonWoman
over a year ago

trowbridge

its like fox hunting you will always gets pros and anti's

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Yes it should. That will save us from all those awful tans and appalling dresses.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Never going to happen.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Never going to happen. "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This is a subject that it brought up after every national, but the answer is the same the horse owners and jockeys know the risks.

I seem to remember seeing several stable hands trying to keep redrum under control, when it was making appearances at the national and not racing.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"This is a subject that it brought up after every national, but the answer is the same the horse owners and jockeys know the risks.

I seem to remember seeing several stable hands trying to keep redrum under control, when it was making appearances at the national and not racing."
the owners and jockeys no the risks, but the horse doesn't have a choice does it

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

Yes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes!!! Or better measures put into place. Lower height of jumps for one.

And its not just the horses that get hurt but a jockey has been paralyzed for life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes!!! Or better measures put into place. Lower height of jumps for one.

And its not just the horses that get hurt but a jockey has been paralyzed for life.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just to make things even they should establish a agency that whips the jockey and the owners the same amount of time the horses gets whipped during a race.

Now some might find this kinky and get of on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont agree with it at all, trouble is you could say its cruel to have new forest ponies because they are kept outside in all the bad weather and they dont get enough to eat.

it is cruel but maybe not as cruel as the way some other animals are treated.

it should be banned realy but it never will be.

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By *rystal denisonWoman
over a year ago

trowbridge

The horse that came 2nd had no rider so maybe they do enjoy it hmmmmm ?

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"all the no's??

so is it ok the horses suffer? because they do thats a fact. for sport and betting ?

those horses are treated better than most humans are lol they have nice stables, a team of people looking after their well being and health etc

if we ban this we should ban crufts which encourages the breeding of disabilities into dogs etc

we should ban the killing of animals for meat. there are animals bred for suffering and sacrifice!

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Just to make things even they should establish a agency that whips the jockey and the owners the same amount of time the horses gets whipped during a race.

Now some might find this kinky and get of on it.

jockeys are fined for overuse of the whip these days, they have special whips that record how often a whip is used during the race.

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By *ll of a QuiverCouple
over a year ago

Douglas

Just said on tv that all runners are back safe and sound.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

"Just said on tv that all runners are back safe and sound."

guess the changes to the course have been for the good this year then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don't like it so won't watch it

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By *riendly foeWoman
over a year ago

In a crisp poke on the A814

"Just said on tv that all runners are back safe and sound."

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Races horses get heated stables and pretty much as evie said... Hence why its so expensive to have race horses.. they are also only raced a certain amount of times a year and the horses that raced today pretty much won't do much for the rest of the year..Horses are trained all year round for the GN...

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Just said on tv that all runners are back safe and sound."
alot of the horses die tonight which u may or may not hear about, on the other hand the winner is 11 years old and has run it a few times so ??? arguments for both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

Yes it's cruel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

40 runners and riders went to Aintree....

40 will go home tonight....

Nuff said....

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"40 runners and riders went to Aintree....

40 will go home tonight....

Nuff said....

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several horses have died this week on the same course already, not today maybe but this week there its happened... and some wont make it thru tonight , home safe yes make it thru the night maybe not

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I bet on a few horses, have about £4 in winnings I think, but have to admit I didn't enjoy watching the race.

I know the horses are bred for racing, are trained, I don't know whether they like to race and jump or whether the whip and the kicks to the side of the horse hurts them, but I just didn't enjoy watching it knowing I played a small part, by betting on them, of making these horses run.

Its not something I could do regularly, feel a but uncomfortable with it.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that "

So in the wild when they come to an obstacle do they walk the long way around it???

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

my brother one £350ish quid, backed the winner with 5pound happy days

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So who's watched the hobbit? Enjoied it? Good film isn't it?

More horses died making the hobbit than at the national this year.

Just so you know.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

they are a hurd animal and are following the pack, given the choice without a jockey whipping them a horse wouldn't wanna jump like that

So in the wild when they come to an obstacle do they walk the long way around it???"
some might, or they would jump out there paddocks at home all the time for fun which they do not,stick a bloke up on top beating its backside then yes it will jump, given the choice probably not!!

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"of the 2 horses that died over the course of the meet, one died of a heart attack, could have happened anywhere and the other broke its shoulder which again can happen whilst gambolling in the field with its mates.

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents."

Sometimes they die rolling around in their field. Strange, magnificent beasts.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

Well, we've all been eating them. So, a few more in the food chain! Why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"my brother one £350ish quid, backed the winner with 5pound happy days "

So you start a post criticising the National yet now jubilant that your brother has made money from it! Slightly hypocritical!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"40 runners and riders went to Aintree....

40 will go home tonight....

Nuff said....

several horses have died this week on the same course already, not today maybe but this week there its happened... and some wont make it thru tonight , home safe yes make it thru the night maybe not

2 have died at Aintree this week not several. Battlefront on Thursday had a heart attack and Little Josh broke his shoulder yesterday.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"my brother one £350ish quid, backed the winner with 5pound happy days

So you start a post criticising the National yet now jubilant that your brother has made money from it! Slightly hypocritical!!!!!"
correction i havnt said my feelings on the national at all just posted to see what opinion was and have given argument for both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Looking back on your posts they concentrate on the negatives so not particularly balanced no

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

no argument really....as no animal has a choice.

list is endless really on this one...does a hamster want be stuck in a cage....does a fish want be stuck in a tank....if u get my drift

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

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By *aravancoupleMan
over a year ago

A Secret Hideaway In the caravan of love

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Looking back on your posts they concentrate on the negatives so not particularly balanced no"
i agree but thats because most people are in favour or are arguing the positives, so ill go the other way and point out negatives, or it would be boring to have just one side and we all agreed doesnt mean its what i necessarily believe i have mixed feeling on the national if im honest can see both sides

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, ban it! Its barbaric and the fences r way too high. These people are supposed to love animals. Yeah right, i dont see whipping an animal around a race track as treating it with loving care. And if they die because of it, thats really loving an animal aint it, not!

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Yes, ban it! Its barbaric and the fences r way too high. These people are supposed to love animals. Yeah right, i dont see whipping an animal around a race track as treating it with loving care. And if they die because of it, thats really loving an animal aint it, not!"
i agree the whipping could be banned don't see why that has to happen, if no one has a whip then there all on a leval playing field so no need to beat the animal.

altho i beleive its a 15 hit per race limit, and they are fined heavy if they go over that that dont make it rite tho

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No it shouldn't. It's sport. People get hurt in sport often.

The horses do enjoy running. It's not nice when a horse gets hurt or worse but it shouldn't be banned

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

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no

and thankfully there was none killed

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"should the grand national be banned due to the cruelty stress and sometimes death of the horses.

over to you???

No it shouldn't be banned! Any equestrian sport is dangerous both for the horse and the rider, the fences have been adjusted over the years to be kinder to the horse! And the horses that take part like their job, if they didn't they just wouldn't run!

Thankfully this year no horses or riders were seriously injured

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents."

Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.

The horse that died of the heart attack, I find it hard to believe they would enter a horse with a heart problem and those horses have specialist equine vets who would have given them a top to tail medical before entering them and during the training. Therefore I can guess that it was something that came on suddenly and maybe the horse was trained too hard.

Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.

These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.

However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Horses can die from a heart attack and twisted gut just by standing in its stable. Maybe I am pro horse racing as its what I have grown up with..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

weere on a horny swinging site and you wana talk horses ??? pffff whats the world cuming to lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Lets ban everything shall we!?

My god, is it safe to have any sport after all? lol

Love the Grand National, after all its a British tradition....

If you do not like it, then do not watch it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Crikey way things are going folk will only be happy if fences are made of marshmallows. End of day i agree reduce to as safe as level as practicable but to think of banning it is ridiculous. What about polo.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"Crikey way things are going folk will only be happy if fences are made of marshmallows. End of day i agree reduce to as safe as level as practicable but to think of banning it is ridiculous. What about polo."
love polo hmmm minty

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound

"... What about polo."

She started the Sweepstake thread so she may well have watched the race.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"... What about polo.

She started the Sweepstake thread so she may well have watched the race.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Deffinetly should be banned. My sister rescues racehorses, they treat them with cruely and then toss aside. Its shicking what they do to them!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Horses can die from a heart attack and twisted gut just by standing in its stable. Maybe I am pro horse racing as its what I have grown up with.."

Agree

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.

Some are injected with allsorts and some vets turn a blind eye.

Money can buy you anything including dodgy vets.

Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.

Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.

These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.

However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.

Some are injected with allsorts and some vets turn a blind eye.

Money can buy you anything including dodgy vets.

Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.

Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.

These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.

However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It will never get banned, there is too much money involved....that's all sport is these days, a money spinning excercise.

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

"It will never get banned, there is too much money involved....that's all sport is these days, a money spinning excercise."

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over a year ago

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By *am123 OP Man
over a year ago

essex chelmsford

just no?? wanna expand on that

or just no!! lol

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

You won’t find many horses that are cared for better than a race horse.

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By *ittle_brat_evie!!Woman
over a year ago

evesham

i dont know if they dies mid race or not but they are not soley race related incidents.

Yeah but its not just the race on the day is it, those horses are trained and I bet its not just jumping over little fences in a paddock when the horse feels like it.

Again the horse with the shoulder injury, yes it could have done that on a sunny day cantering in the paddock, but it happened when that horse was trained.

These incidents didn't happen on the day of the race but they were race/training related incidents.

However I don't know enough about horse racing and can't give a balanced view so I can't err on the side of banning

My cousin had a horse and at her stables amother was being led yo the paddock when one of its feet got stuck in a hole and it rippedoff . The horse had to be put down should they ban people owning horses because of that?

The stables where I used to ride had a horse have a heart attack whilst out on a hack. Should they ban people going out on hacks?

When I was a kid a horse at a friends stables was schooling over some fences and landed funny, breaking its cannon. You can't fix a broken legion a horse so it had to be put down. These weren't mega high fences and the ground was soft mulch. It was just a freak accident.

Things happen either at leisure, in schools, training or racing.

The course officials have listened to public concern and the start line was bought closer to the first jump, the fences were lowered as much as they safely could be (Amy lower and there is increased risk of injury die to horses being lazy on take off and landing) and because of these changes all runners and riders came back safe.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"weere on a horny swinging site and you wana talk horses ??? pffff whats the world cuming to lol

Lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yes, the sooner the better as far as I am concerned.

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