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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but it’s a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are " Copy+Paste I guess. | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are " Well I recently got a new phone and hated it gone straight back to my old Huawei that doesn't have all the AI bollocks trying to predict everything I think about and type. Samsung can suck my balls and the full Google nonsense that goes with it. | |||
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"I'll sometimes Google a definition and post it rather than waste my time writing out what my brain finds obvious and tedious. It's not that I'm trying to appear knowledgeable about things that I'm not. And, as already mentioned, it's marginally preferable to have things copy and pasted from a traceable source than someone presenting Brian from the pub's crackpot theories as facts "I don't think it's so much about trying to appear knowledgeable. More that two people cutting and pasting stuff from Google seems to now constitute informed intelligent debate. Whereas it's the ability to think for ones self and having the self awareness to appreciate they are not really thinking at all. A great example (but please don't turn this into another virus thread) is the copy and paste of "facts" about the virus and or vaxes. Where people seemed incapable to process their own lived experiences intelligently. Almost as if... I'm not expressing myself very well but for me its more the ability or desire to critically process the facts that seems to be disappearing rather than the gathering of the "facts". | |||
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"I don't think it's so much about trying to appear knowledgeable. More that two people cutting and pasting stuff from Google seems to now constitute informed intelligent debate. Whereas it's the ability to think for ones self and having the self awareness to appreciate they are not really thinking at all. A great example (but please don't turn this into another virus thread) is the copy and paste of "facts" about the virus and or vaxes. Where people seemed incapable to process their own lived experiences intelligently. Almost as if... I'm not expressing myself very well but for me its more the ability or desire to critically process the facts that seems to be disappearing rather than the gathering of the "facts". " If something is obvious and tedious to me, I'll copy and paste it rather than type it out. I have notes for a copy paste of why I like tentacle dildos, because I'm not always in the mood to wax lyrical about it. If the subject is obvious and I know that there's a source that explains it better than I could be bothered to at that point, I'll copy and paste it. If it's a subject I don't know or feel that I understand, then I don't copy and paste it. | |||
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Google is there to check things, find interesting things and generally be a place of reference. It won’t ever replace my love of actually thinking | |||
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"It's interesting to see how many profile bio's are popping up that are clearly written by ChatGPT. That's literally letting Google do the thinking for you." I've noticed that. | |||
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"I don't think it's so much about trying to appear knowledgeable. More that two people cutting and pasting stuff from Google seems to now constitute informed intelligent debate. Whereas it's the ability to think for ones self and having the self awareness to appreciate they are not really thinking at all. A great example (but please don't turn this into another virus thread) is the copy and paste of "facts" about the virus and or vaxes. Where people seemed incapable to process their own lived experiences intelligently. Almost as if... I'm not expressing myself very well but for me its more the ability or desire to critically process the facts that seems to be disappearing rather than the gathering of the "facts". If something is obvious and tedious to me, I'll copy and paste it rather than type it out. I have notes for a copy paste of why I like tentacle dildos, because I'm not always in the mood to wax lyrical about it. If the subject is obvious and I know that there's a source that explains it better than I could be bothered to at that point, I'll copy and paste it. If it's a subject I don't know or feel that I understand, then I don't copy and paste it. " That's probably what I was trying to say... If you have knowledge of and are able to create your own response you use your brain... If people don't know they copy and paste... So you end up with people who don't know much or can't be arsed to learn, having a debate just copying other peoples facts and thoughts. Which is a strange process to follow. I mean it creates ever more repetition of statements which are presented as a well thought out contribution to a discussion and allows the brain to rest easy and who knows what the consequences of that are for our brains. | |||
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"use to remember things like phone numbers etc. then smart phones can along and they stored all the information. googles the same, use to drive with a map. now its there telling you left or right." But that just frees up more time to think about the important stuff. Google is a good tool to use for those mundane things. | |||
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"Not for me. I love using my brain
Google is there to check things, find interesting things and generally be a place of reference. It won’t ever replace my love of actually thinking " | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are " Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal | |||
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"I often find I go through a process... Oh I know what the person did but can't recall it. I Google it. Oh of course that's what they did.. I knew that. But... Not sure what that does to my ability to remember stuff in 10 years time. " Using google like revision notes. You know the info but just need a memory jog, which is what I do. | |||
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"It's interesting to see how many profile bio's are popping up that are clearly written by ChatGPT. That's literally letting Google do the thinking for you." How can you tell someone has used ChatGPT to create their profile? I've heard of it but have no idea how it works. | |||
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"It's interesting to see how many profile bio's are popping up that are clearly written by ChatGPT. That's literally letting Google do the thinking for you. How can you tell someone has used ChatGPT to create their profile? I've heard of it but have no idea how it works. " They all follow a similar pattern and cadence. If you use Gemini or GPT to write a few sample dating bios you'll see it easily enough. I went down a rabbit hole of creating bios for fictional villains. Sauron and Darth Vader were particularly good. | |||
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"It's interesting to see how many profile bio's are popping up that are clearly written by ChatGPT. That's literally letting Google do the thinking for you. How can you tell someone has used ChatGPT to create their profile? I've heard of it but have no idea how it works. They all follow a similar pattern and cadence. If you use Gemini or GPT to write a few sample dating bios you'll see it easily enough. I went down a rabbit hole of creating bios for fictional villains. Sauron and Darth Vader were particularly good." Sauron and Darth Vader? It now has my interest. | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal" But the Google algorithms are responsible for choosing the responses that are presented and the order in which they are presented. Finance plays a part in what is presented, in what order as "facts". So it's a search engine but it's a search engine with complex and very clever ability to manipulate the "facts" or conclusions that are presented. How many people ever look past the first page of Google search results? Or use a different search engine to ask the same search and be presented with different responses as facts? | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal But the Google algorithms are responsible for choosing the responses that are presented and the order in which they are presented. Finance plays a part in what is presented, in what order as "facts". So it's a search engine but it's a search engine with complex and very clever ability to manipulate the "facts" or conclusions that are presented. How many people ever look past the first page of Google search results? Or use a different search engine to ask the same search and be presented with different responses as facts? " This only applies to sponsored results. So yes you will always see sponsored answers to questions at the top. That’s how they make money. But the other algorithms work on how close a match to the answer can be found on the interweb. Then clearly the reader needs to choose for themselves what they choose to be a reliable source | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal But the Google algorithms are responsible for choosing the responses that are presented and the order in which they are presented. Finance plays a part in what is presented, in what order as "facts". So it's a search engine but it's a search engine with complex and very clever ability to manipulate the "facts" or conclusions that are presented. How many people ever look past the first page of Google search results? Or use a different search engine to ask the same search and be presented with different responses as facts? This only applies to sponsored results. So yes you will always see sponsored answers to questions at the top. That’s how they make money. But the other algorithms work on how close a match to the answer can be found on the interweb. Then clearly the reader needs to choose for themselves what they choose to be a reliable source "I'm not sure that's true anymore. There's quite a lot of data to show that the quality of Google search results have been declining for quite some time now. | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal But the Google algorithms are responsible for choosing the responses that are presented and the order in which they are presented. Finance plays a part in what is presented, in what order as "facts". So it's a search engine but it's a search engine with complex and very clever ability to manipulate the "facts" or conclusions that are presented. How many people ever look past the first page of Google search results? Or use a different search engine to ask the same search and be presented with different responses as facts? This only applies to sponsored results. So yes you will always see sponsored answers to questions at the top. That’s how they make money. But the other algorithms work on how close a match to the answer can be found on the interweb. Then clearly the reader needs to choose for themselves what they choose to be a reliable source
I'm not sure that's true anymore. There's quite a lot of data to show that the quality of Google search results have been declining for quite some time now."Well indeed. Not to mention the left wing bias of returned results. I mean I take the point that the searcher has to choose what to believe or make use of. But the op is really simply to so with the use of Google to replace brain use and how we use information to construct a discussion. | |||
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"Do you find that more and more google is doing your thinking for you? And your brain and memory are simply passengers now.? I often see "discussions" on these threads and it's crystal clear that it's Google that has pulled the information together and it's just been copied and pasted. Nothing wrong but its a shame people can't do their thinking for themselves. I know personally I use Google way to much and wonder what the long term consequences are Google is only a search engine, you're still responsible for asking the right questions and choosing the right responses to read. Even when research embassy done with printed sources, it was still easy to choose the wrong ones and mindlessly quote irrelevant trash. Cal But the Google algorithms are responsible for choosing the responses that are presented and the order in which they are presented. Finance plays a part in what is presented, in what order as "facts". So it's a search engine but it's a search engine with complex and very clever ability to manipulate the "facts" or conclusions that are presented. How many people ever look past the first page of Google search results? Or use a different search engine to ask the same search and be presented with different responses as facts? This only applies to sponsored results. So yes you will always see sponsored answers to questions at the top. That’s how they make money. But the other algorithms work on how close a match to the answer can be found on the interweb. Then clearly the reader needs to choose for themselves what they choose to be a reliable source
I'm not sure that's true anymore. There's quite a lot of data to show that the quality of Google search results have been declining for quite some time now."The two two primary measures for ordering are page rank and authority. Google aims to be relevant and authoritative. There was talk of using blockchain ledgers to rank on authenticity but I’ve not seen it yet | |||
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" Well indeed. Not to mention the left wing bias of returned results. I mean I take the point that the searcher has to choose what to believe or make use of. But the op is really simply to so with the use of Google to replace brain use and how we use information to construct a discussion. " I'm not sure I would agree with your premise that the use of a search engine is replacing brain use. I would see it rather as freeing up brain capacity as having instant access to all the information in a vast library means not having to memorise everything in that library. | |||
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