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"Right off this isn't a race thread OK! it's about people like me (Mr) who are almost transparent,bluey white. So on holiday it's factor 50 and the parasol or bright red burnt to a crisp and then peeling. We are going away next week and the Greek heatwave is not filling me with confidence, being the whitest thing on the beach can be embarrassing. Anyone else like Casper and burn easily?" Embrace the silver skin of purity and protection brother  | |||
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 I love him but it gets old so I just leave him home when I have to go to wonderful beach or hot places. | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. " You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. " That works for people who tan. For people who don't tan, they'll just burn and burn and burn and burn. (And for everyone with skin, this is a surefire path to skin cancer. Is looking nice worth it?) | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op?" Nooo! Never do this  | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op? Nooo! Never do this "I'd also say that this is the same as "acclimatising to the sun". If you don't tan with the sun, you won't tan with cancer beds either. | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. That works for people who tan. For people who don't tan, they'll just burn and burn and burn and burn. (And for everyone with skin, this is a surefire path to skin cancer. Is looking nice worth it?)" Exactly,I work outside 90% of the time but I always cover up and wear suncream. I genuinely hate the feeling of the sun on my skin it actually hurts. So the holiday is for the wife whose a real sun worshipper. | |||
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"I'm very pale and freckly,never tan & can't abide temps higher than the early 20's. I just wouldn't dream of going anywhere hot later than April. Sorry. That's the only advice I can give "I have family members who have (rare) allergic reactions to too much sun, and they live in Australia (and not the cold bits down south either)  | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op? Nooo! Never do this
I'd also say that this is the same as "acclimatising to the sun".
If you don't tan with the sun, you won't tan with cancer beds either."I seriously cannot believe that folk in this day & age use sunbeds. They should be made illegal! | |||
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"I'm very pale and freckly,never tan & can't abide temps higher than the early 20's. I just wouldn't dream of going anywhere hot later than April. Sorry. That's the only advice I can give
I have family members who have (rare) allergic reactions to too much sun, and they live in Australia (and not the cold bits down south either) "I feel for them. I suffer in the heat of summers here in Blighty  | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op? Nooo! Never do this
I'd also say that this is the same as "acclimatising to the sun".
If you don't tan with the sun, you won't tan with cancer beds either.
I seriously cannot believe that folk in this day & age use sunbeds. They should be made illegal! "It's about as dumb as taking up smoking. | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op? Nooo! Never do this
I'd also say that this is the same as "acclimatising to the sun".
If you don't tan with the sun, you won't tan with cancer beds either.
I seriously cannot believe that folk in this day & age use sunbeds. They should be made illegal!
It's about as dumb as taking up smoking."unless ypu want to reduce the chance of alzheimers lol | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. " I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too " i always burned as a teen but due to work now i never do and spend all summer (3 weeks) in it lol | |||
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"I'm lucky in that I go brown quickly. Have you tried using sunbeds before you go on holiday Op? Nooo! Never do this
I'd also say that this is the same as "acclimatising to the sun".
If you don't tan with the sun, you won't tan with cancer beds either.
I seriously cannot believe that folk in this day & age use sunbeds. They should be made illegal!
It's about as dumb as taking up smoking. unless ypu want to reduce the chance of alzheimers lol "I don't want to get old either, but cancer is a grim way to go. | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too " Remember though, the darker you go from your natural colour, the more damage you've done to your skin.  | |||
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"Right off this isn't a race thread OK! it's about people like me (Mr) who are almost transparent,bluey white. So on holiday it's factor 50 and the parasol or bright red burnt to a crisp and then peeling. We are going away next week and the Greek heatwave is not filling me with confidence, being the whitest thing on the beach can be embarrassing. Anyone else like Casper and burn easily?" As a ginger, I have learned to hide in the shadows or only visit Scandinavian counties | |||
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I can't relate to being sun burned but I do go very very dark on holidays, a shade I wish I could maintain all year around | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too i always burned as a teen but due to work now i never do and spend all summer (3 weeks) in it lol " Your skin changes as you get older. That's why higher sun protection is recommended for children and why strong products are damaging for children's skin and are completely not recommended. E.g. glycolic peels. It doesn't stop children buying them and causing themselves burns, though. A sun tan is quite literally your melanocytes responding to the incoming UV radiation to try and reduce how much of it gets through and is zapping and mutating your DNA. It's not exactly a great thing. | |||
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"Best part of going on holiday is tanning on the beach
I can't relate to being sun burned but I do go very very dark on holidays, a shade I wish I could maintain all year around "I'm really proud that since 2020 I've actually gone way down in foundation shade. I'm becoming a vampire (and protecting my skin) | |||
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...I have a genetic leg up for tanning. | |||
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"Sun cream is bad for you " No it isn't. It protects the skin from harmful UV. There's lots of research out there. | |||
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"Always remember my grandad telling me when away with the war they all used vinegar to prevent sun burn lol not sure what truth is in it nor am i going to try it either " I'm not going to listen to my parents or grandparents on this one - that generation (in Australia) tends to have super leathery skin and rates of skin cancer as low as 1 in 3 and in some cases higher than 1 in 2  | |||
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"Sun cream is bad for you No it isn't. It protects the skin from harmful UV. There's lots of research out there." theres also lots saying it is, im guessing some are some arent depends on the ingredients like all things | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too i always burned as a teen but due to work now i never do and spend all summer (3 weeks) in it lol " I’m pleased someone else has noticed same thing happen haha | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too Remember though, the darker you go from your natural colour, the more damage you've done to your skin. "Maybe I’m just lucky I worked outside my whole life haven’t wore sun cream since my mam used to make me as a kid and honestly I have zero skin damage it’s actually very healthy I have zero wrinkles when all my friends already have | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too Remember though, the darker you go from your natural colour, the more damage you've done to your skin.
Maybe I’m just lucky I worked outside my whole life haven’t wore sun cream since my mam used to make me as a kid and honestly I have zero skin damage it’s actually very healthy I have zero wrinkles when all my friends already have "It's the damaged skin that is stopping you burning. Hopefully you'll be lucky and not develop skin cancer. I strongly reccomend using a sun screen. I use factor 50 face cream all year round. | |||
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"Im not no expert by any means but how i see it is... Our bodys need vitd from the sun, we're born naked and our body can create melanin?? I think to protect the skin from the harmfull uv if it knows we are in the sun, so why on earth would we need to apply chemicals and screens to block it out?? I understand weve evolved into wearing clothes so were not as used to been in the sun as much " If we're going for an evolutionary approach, you'll also be mindful of the fact that the point of evolution is to pass on your genes. Most of us are capable of doing that in and before our 20s (not going to say it, Fab rules etc). Evolution doesn't give a shit about us surviving to the ripe old age of 40. It cares about us surviving to physical maturity and the ability to pop out some babies. If we want to live beyond 40 being ancient and decrepit, we need to take precautions. | |||
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"Im not no expert by any means but how i see it is... Our bodys need vitd from the sun, we're born naked and our body can create melanin?? I think to protect the skin from the harmfull uv if it knows we are in the sun, so why on earth would we need to apply chemicals and screens to block it out?? I understand weve evolved into wearing clothes so were not as used to been in the sun as much If we're going for an evolutionary approach, you'll also be mindful of the fact that the point of evolution is to pass on your genes. Most of us are capable of doing that in and before our 20s (not going to say it, Fab rules etc). Evolution doesn't give a shit about us surviving to the ripe old age of 40. It cares about us surviving to physical maturity and the ability to pop out some babies. If we want to live beyond 40 being ancient and decrepit, we need to take precautions." I think people often forget how much difference modern medicine makes. Pre antibiotics life expectancy, even in industrialised countries was under 50. | |||
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"Im not no expert by any means but how i see it is... Our bodys need vitd from the sun, we're born naked and our body can create melanin?? I think to protect the skin from the harmfull uv if it knows we are in the sun, so why on earth would we need to apply chemicals and screens to block it out?? I understand weve evolved into wearing clothes so were not as used to been in the sun as much If we're going for an evolutionary approach, you'll also be mindful of the fact that the point of evolution is to pass on your genes. Most of us are capable of doing that in and before our 20s (not going to say it, Fab rules etc). Evolution doesn't give a shit about us surviving to the ripe old age of 40. It cares about us surviving to physical maturity and the ability to pop out some babies. If we want to live beyond 40 being ancient and decrepit, we need to take precautions. I think people often forget how much difference modern medicine makes. Pre antibiotics life expectancy, even in industrialised countries was under 50." Without obstetrics I probably would have died during birth, possibly also killing my mother (and thus my younger siblings). I also developed a condition at the age of 13 which, without medicine, would have meant I didn't see adulthood. Evolution is a cruel mistress. | |||
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"Spend as much time as you can in the sun prior to going to try and increase tolerance. You can't create tolerance. You either have more melanin or less. I genuinely thought you could since everyone who ever worked for me eventually never burned anymore being outside all summer, every one seemed to get slightly darker over the years too Remember though, the darker you go from your natural colour, the more damage you've done to your skin.
Maybe I’m just lucky I worked outside my whole life haven’t wore sun cream since my mam used to make me as a kid and honestly I have zero skin damage it’s actually very healthy I have zero wrinkles when all my friends already have "You know you can't see the damage done UNDER your skin, right? But if you have more naturally occurring melanin, you will have more protection than me, for example. But please consider using sun cream if you're out in it all day x | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category??" Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation. | |||
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In response to people who have mentioned sun beds, there has been an ongoing campaign, for some years now, for a complete ban of sun beds. The team who treated me informed me that they deal with more cases of people using sun beds than sun worshippers.
I used to hate having pale skin, but if I could turn back time, I would do things very differently. Believe me, adding a bit of bronzing powder to your skin for a sun-kissed glow is a lot less bloody painful than going through surgery!
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"Despite my mother smothering us kids in suncream, I still used to go lobster red. Strangely, when I moved to Greece in my early 30s, I didn't burn at all and stupidly became very lazy at protecting my skin. I say stupidly, because 2 years ago I went through surgery and treatment for Melanoma skin cancer in my right leg. It has left me with very painful nerve damage and, I am now due to the specialist again for two new lesions on the same leg
In response to people who have mentioned sun beds, there has been an ongoing campaign, for some years now, for a complete ban of sun beds. The team who treated me informed me that they deal with more cases of people using sun beds than sun worshippers.
I used to hate having pale skin, but if I could turn back time, I would do things very differently. Believe me, adding a bit of bronzing powder to your skin for a sun-kissed glow is a lot less bloody painful than going through surgery!
"I'm so sorry. I know one of my relatives struggled with sunscreen and still burning when she was little - they found out later that not all sunscreens work for her and she needs to use particular ones (I don't know the details). Perhaps worth looking into when you can't cover up? | |||
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"Despite my mother smothering us kids in suncream, I still used to go lobster red. Strangely, when I moved to Greece in my early 30s, I didn't burn at all and stupidly became very lazy at protecting my skin. I say stupidly, because 2 years ago I went through surgery and treatment for Melanoma skin cancer in my right leg. It has left me with very painful nerve damage and, I am now due to the specialist again for two new lesions on the same leg
In response to people who have mentioned sun beds, there has been an ongoing campaign, for some years now, for a complete ban of sun beds. The team who treated me informed me that they deal with more cases of people using sun beds than sun worshippers.
I used to hate having pale skin, but if I could turn back time, I would do things very differently. Believe me, adding a bit of bronzing powder to your skin for a sun-kissed glow is a lot less bloody painful than going through surgery!
"So sorry to hear this. I know a couple of folk who've had similar. I hope the new lesions aren't anything to worry about | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category?? Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation." maybe, but statistically speaking why makes no diffence to reality blacks are the lowest statistic of skin cancer followed by Hispanic with white/pale been the highest? I dont think that means who wears the most sunscreen | |||
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"Best part of going on holiday is tanning on the beach
I can't relate to being sun burned but I do go very very dark on holidays, a shade I wish I could maintain all year around
I'm really proud that since 2020 I've actually gone way down in foundation shade. I'm becoming a vampire (and protecting my skin) "I have a summer and a winter foundation | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category?? Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation.maybe, but statistically speaking why makes no diffence to reality blacks are the lowest statistic of skin cancer followed by Hispanic with white/pale been the highest? I dont think that means who wears the most sunscreen " "Blacks" | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category?? Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation.maybe, but statistically speaking why makes no diffence to reality blacks are the lowest statistic of skin cancer followed by Hispanic with white/pale been the highest? I dont think that means who wears the most sunscreen " You think darker skinned people can't burn? That's fun. And they do get skin cancer, albeit at lower levels. People with paler skin have ancestors who evolved in climates with lower light. And still evolved for the purposes of passing on genes, where a 20 year old is plenty old enough to be surplus to requirements. I would personally like to live as long as I can without having bits of my body hacked out because I irradiated it to try to look nice. You may feel differently. | |||
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"Best part of going on holiday is tanning on the beach
I can't relate to being sun burned but I do go very very dark on holidays, a shade I wish I could maintain all year around
I'm really proud that since 2020 I've actually gone way down in foundation shade. I'm becoming a vampire (and protecting my skin)
I have a summer and a winter foundation
"So do I, but I have powders I bought in 2019 - then my winter shade was a bit pale at 18 and summer shade was just right at 22 (I'm talking Mac - NW, fwiw). My shade match as of last week (June, summer) is NW13 and my 22 now looks like I'm trying to imitate Donald Trump  | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category?? Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation.maybe, but statistically speaking why makes no diffence to reality blacks are the lowest statistic of skin cancer followed by Hispanic with white/pale been the highest? I dont think that means who wears the most sunscreen You think darker skinned people can't burn? That's fun. And they do get skin cancer, albeit at lower levels. People with paler skin have ancestors who evolved in climates with lower light. And still evolved for the purposes of passing on genes, where a 20 year old is plenty old enough to be surplus to requirements. I would personally like to live as long as I can without having bits of my body hacked out because I irradiated it to try to look nice. You may feel differently." i didnt say black people dont burn i said the numbers of skin cancer are the lowest | |||
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"I agree but i wouldnt say modern medicines/anti biotics and sun screen are in the same category?? Why not? Tanning is the body dealing with damage from radiation. Looks cute, sure, but some people say the same about inhaling cigarette smoke. Looks less cute when you're having chunks of your face cut out later in life. Sunscreen is a way to reduce the effect of that radiation.maybe, but statistically speaking why makes no diffence to reality blacks are the lowest statistic of skin cancer followed by Hispanic with white/pale been the highest? I dont think that means who wears the most sunscreen You think darker skinned people can't burn? That's fun. And they do get skin cancer, albeit at lower levels. People with paler skin have ancestors who evolved in climates with lower light. And still evolved for the purposes of passing on genes, where a 20 year old is plenty old enough to be surplus to requirements. I would personally like to live as long as I can without having bits of my body hacked out because I irradiated it to try to look nice. You may feel differently.i didnt say black people dont burn i said the numbers of skin cancer are the lowest " Yes. Being born with the melanin and irradiating yourself darker are not the same thing. Tanning is radiation damage. And yes I know it's natural. So is hemlock _ | |||
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"Maybe in the uk and colder climites we suffer because a lot spend most the year indoors or offices then go on holiday and want that tan so their body goes from one extreme of barely any exposure to 20° plus sat by the pool all day sipping mojitos lol not sure just a thought " I grew up in Sydney. 9/10 of the year I spent all my leisure time outside. T-shirt in winter. Beach half of the year. 20 degrees not unheard of in winter. 45 not unheard of in summer (49 the hottest I ever experienced in Sydney). Afraid genetics plays a bigger role than anything else. And a lack of self-preservation. | |||
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"Right off this isn't a race thread OK! it's about people like me (Mr) who are almost transparent,bluey white. So on holiday it's factor 50 and the parasol or bright red burnt to a crisp and then peeling. We are going away next week and the Greek heatwave is not filling me with confidence, being the whitest thing on the beach can be embarrassing. Anyone else like Casper and burn easily?" Why go to such an extremely hot place if not suited to the heat? | |||
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"Maybe in the uk and colder climites we suffer because a lot spend most the year indoors or offices then go on holiday and want that tan so their body goes from one extreme of barely any exposure to 20° plus sat by the pool all day sipping mojitos lol not sure just a thought " I wear factor 30 every single day regardless of the weather. I don't sit or lie out in the sun ever and think anyone even considering using a sunbed must already be suffering from sunstroke and not in control of their faculties. I spend a hell of a lot of time outside and on open mountain tops with little or no shade and on those occasions I wear factor 50. If I forget to top up I burn because I'm ginger and Irish. I'm also approaching my 60th birthday and don't have a wrinkle on my pale face so I'll keep doing what I've always done. | |||
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"Maybe in the uk and colder climites we suffer because a lot spend most the year indoors or offices then go on holiday and want that tan so their body goes from one extreme of barely any exposure to 20° plus sat by the pool all day sipping mojitos lol not sure just a thought I wear factor 30 every single day regardless of the weather. I don't sit or lie out in the sun ever and think anyone even considering using a sunbed must already be suffering from sunstroke and not in control of their faculties. I spend a hell of a lot of time outside and on open mountain tops with little or no shade and on those occasions I wear factor 50. If I forget to top up I burn because I'm ginger and Irish. I'm also approaching my 60th birthday and don't have a wrinkle on my pale face so I'll keep doing what I've always done. " I have some stress lines on my forehead and not much else going, and I do seem to be ageing a lot slower than my contemporaries. I'm pushing 40 rather than 60, but it's beginning to become obvious who bakes and who doesn't. | |||
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" You know you can't see the damage done UNDER your skin, right? But if you have more naturally occurring melanin, you will have more protection than me, for example. But please consider using sun cream if you're out in it all day x" I didn’t know I always thought askin damage was visible with discoloured patches and eventudd as lay the dried up old teabag look that those who over do the sunbeds beds get, I go really dark so assume must have loads of melanin | |||
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"Maybe in the uk and colder climites we suffer because a lot spend most the year indoors or offices then go on holiday and want that tan so their body goes from one extreme of barely any exposure to 20° plus sat by the pool all day sipping mojitos lol not sure just a thought I wear factor 30 every single day regardless of the weather. I don't sit or lie out in the sun ever and think anyone even considering using a sunbed must already be suffering from sunstroke and not in control of their faculties. I spend a hell of a lot of time outside and on open mountain tops with little or no shade and on those occasions I wear factor 50. If I forget to top up I burn because I'm ginger and Irish. I'm also approaching my 60th birthday and don't have a wrinkle on my pale face so I'll keep doing what I've always done. " I didn’t think that sort of thing would be a problem in Ireland, you don’t have sun do you, if it’s not raining then it’s just rained, and if it hasn’t just rained then it’s just about too. | |||
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