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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone.. How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots?" They hit it twice, luckily it's only got a badly cut leg, why not call a local farmer it's not like calfs can't be rounded t | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand " i agree they cpuld of handled it better . | |||
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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone.. How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots? They hit it twice, luckily it's only got a badly cut leg, why not call a local farmer it's not like calfs can't be rounded t" Maybe they did? Course they can but if it's in panic and it had already ran into traffic that's a different ball game.. | |||
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable " You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it | |||
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it " Was it a greyhound? | |||
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"If they did that to a horse people would be livid, just because they are bred for food doesn't make cruelty acceptable You must have missed it when 2 coppers in north wales hit a dog at 70mph because they couldn’t catch it Was it a greyhound?" It was a foxhound | |||
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"If you watch the video frame by frame, just before the police van hits it you can see the cow trying to throw something away." What exactly do you mean? Like drugs? I can't believe county lines are now using pantomime costumes? Watch out! He's behind you! No he isn't? Doesn't work for me. Fake news!! | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand " It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad " Of course there were options, they didn't even try and handcuff it | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad Of course there were options, they didn't even try and handcuff it " That's just silly. Cows don't have hands. | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand It had endangered several people and there where no other options. Still sad " I don't understand what the beef was about this? | |||
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"Fell down some stairs apparently... " that was a cat | |||
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 There must have been a kinder way to deal with it than that. | |||
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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone.. How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots?" The calf is definitely burgers now.  | |||
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"Burgered if they did, burgered if they did nowt and the animal trampled someone.. How does one catch a panicked animal weighing lots? The calf is definitely burgers now. "It's fine.. Had treatment, owner now located and its recovering..
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Poor animal, I hope the Police involved are unvestigated and prosecuted | |||
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"I used to live in Staines until about a year ago. And know a lot of the local officers. I can only Imagine that this was a desperate act of last resort for them. Staines is just within the M25 and most of the officers there would be completely out of their depth when dealing with livestock. Finding a cattle farmer capable of handling that animal would not be a simple matter in that area. And I promise you that the local Vets are not trained or equipped to deal with this either. The local practice could hardly handle an enraged Cat in a cage, never mind rampaging livestock! Also having grown up on a farm and worked with cattle, I can tell you that even with years of experience, that would not have been an easy situation to handle. Even a small cow poses significant danger to pedestrians and cyclists. And if struck by a fast moving car (30mph) can easily roll over the bonnet and smash through the windshield. (This is not an exaggeration, I have actually been in a vehicle when this happened.) Staines on a Friday night is sometimes full of kids and d*unk and high teens and it only gets worse as the pubs start to empty out, which it something these officers would know. I'm not saying that they couldn't have handled it a lot better, I'm just saying that good people can easily make wrong choices, in high pressure, life or death situations. I would view this as an opportunity for learning and training, rather than the time to call for individual officer's heads to roll..... " So I do agree with everything you have said. Cattle can be a nightmare and expecting city people (ie non rural) to understand how to handle them is crazy. That said - why didn’t they try to pen it in? Car at one end of a road, car at the other end and it isn’t going anywhere. | |||
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car "Agree It was so upsetting to watch | |||
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"Just seen it on video, it's a disgrace, those officers need a reprimand " Haven't seen it. But sounds like we need to press reset on how we as humans expect everything at our easiest convenience. Still guess they had some nice veal for lunch at the cop shop. | |||
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car "The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available.. | |||
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car
The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available..
"they have training in animal rescue, but not in 'chasing down the road' situation. And who has equipment for that! They big heavy creatures, even one that young. Have seen cattle go through proper stock fencing when something set them off, and nothing was getting in front of them until they decided to stop! Cannot be prepared for every single situation. It's certainly a training requirement and a think out of the box situation.  Would love to see the incident report and the vehicle damager report on that one!! | |||
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"I saw that, absolutely disgusting. They should be ashamed of themselves. Why weren't the fire service/animal rescue people called? That poor animal stuck under the car
The fire service are as untrained in capturing a calf as the police are, tying up yet more resources that won't be available..
they have training in animal rescue, but not in 'chasing down the road' situation. And who has equipment for that!
They big heavy creatures, even one that young. Have seen cattle go through proper stock fencing when something set them off, and nothing was getting in front of them until they decided to stop!
Cannot be prepared for every single situation. It's certainly a training requirement and a think out of the box situation.
Would love to see the incident report and the vehicle damager report on that one!! "Some have animal rescue training yes, not fully up to speed on Surrey's but I know they used to carry horse slings which we needed once on a job near the border.. Very much a thinking as you get there incident and as usual if it's ok then fine and if not lots of criticism from some who are unaware of the reality of the limitations.. | |||
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"I don't understand how anyone can harm an animal " me neither but sometimes we have to act for the greater good | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog " The Farmers girlfriend has been chatting to the press. Seems she thinks it's a disgrace, police should lose their job. Should have rang her to deal with it (how they'd know it was her boyfriends cow I do not know). Only a small cow (32st)... No comment from her boyfriend who owns the cow 
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"Fell down some stairs apparently... I can't breathe " A black cow then? | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog The Farmers girlfriend has been chatting to the press. Seems she thinks it's a disgrace, police should lose their job. Should have rang her to deal with it (how they'd know it was her boyfriends cow I do not know). Only a small cow (32st)... No comment from her boyfriend who owns the cow
"Not to mention that the owner of stray cattle are liable for any damage they cause….no wonder he’s keeping quiet. | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog " You are absolutely right Granny, the owner or keeper of the cattle are responsible for ensuring they do not stray and are liable in the case of damage to persons or property. Specific insurances are available for these circumstances. Should it be proven that the cattle strayed due to actions of a third party, eg, walker leaving gate not shut or someone maliciously causing damage to fences etc, the owner would still be liable and would have to pursue a claim against any third party to try and recoup costs. | |||
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"Statement from Surrey Police: “I fully appreciate the distress our handling of this incident has caused and will ensure that it is thoroughly and diligently investigated. In addition to an internal referral to our Professional Standards Department, we have also referred the matter to the Independent Office for Police Conduct (IOPC) for independent consideration. "At this time, the officer who was driving the police car has been removed from frontline duties pending the outcome of these investigations. "I know there is much concern around the current welfare of the cow. She is now back with her owner and recuperating with her herd. She did sustain a large cut to one leg and cuts and grazes. She continues to be monitored by a vet and our rural officers are staying in contact with the owner for updates. "I can confirm that on the night, efforts were made to contact local vets without success and efforts were simultaneously being made to identify the owner. Why these were unsuccessful and what more could and should have been done will form a key part of the investigation. "As well as our overriding duty to protect the public, the welfare of animals is important to us and we know people want answers about how this happened and what led up to it. I am committed to ensuring that we have a full understanding of what took place and why, and we will fully support any investigation. I have also briefed the Home Office on what action we are taking and we are liaising with several animal charities that have been in touch with us about this incident. "We will continue to provide both our local communities and the wider public with updates as investigations into this matter continue and will also publish these on our website”" I personally think that's shocking! Some poor bastard who isn't a vet/farmer, has now been suspended? Because someone videoed this 30sec issue, after ongoing hours of trying to resolve it... They'll probs lose their job, over an animal that now has 'a name', but at some point will presumably go to slaughter regardless! It's shocking! It's shit! And all us 'animal lovers', will likely be tucking into cuts of it's cousin this Sunday | |||
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"Surely a road block would have sorted the situation better "I've seen dairy cows jump 5 foot fences from a standing start. If the cow panicked and tried to jump the car, it could potentially go through the windshield and hurt itself or officers very badly. Also cows are actually very intelligent when it comes to evasion tactics, and it would be far more difficult than you think | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog " Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? " it wasnt the Calf's fault - but unfortunately the calf - which now has a name to act on the sympathies of the public, was out of control and a police officer took a decision to stop it - ok it probably wasnt the best decision, but he was there and on the spur of the moment trying to decide what to do, they probably had a discussion about 'stopping it with the car'. It was an on the spot decision and potential lives were at risk. Not everyone has to make these decisions, and yea they not always perfect. I dont think anywhere in the police training centre's do they cover - this is what you do with an animal that could crush you!! The calf is ok and will be fattened and on the table in a few months and no one will remember that it was run over by a car! | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? it wasnt the Calf's fault - but unfortunately the calf - which now has a name to act on the sympathies of the public, was out of control and a police officer took a decision to stop it - ok it probably wasnt the best decision, but he was there and on the spur of the moment trying to decide what to do, they probably had a discussion about 'stopping it with the car'. It was an on the spot decision and potential lives were at risk. Not everyone has to make these decisions, and yea they not always perfect. I dont think anywhere in the police training centre's do they cover - this is what you do with an animal that could crush you!! The calf is ok and will be fattened and on the table in a few months and no one will remember that it was run over by a car!" I like pulled pork though not crushed calf . | |||
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"The cow was spooked. The cow did not want to be caught The cow was on a very busy road The police made efforts to stop the cow The police eventually used their car to stop the cow before someone got killed. Sad affair but it's NOT the fault of the police that the animal escaped and put people's lives in danger because it doesn't know the highway code. In my mind....... The FARMER is responsible just as you would be if it was your dog Not too sure how you know it’s the farmers fault. The CALF (not cow) would have been in a fenced field. Maybe it jumped out for the want of nothing better to do, or maybe it was chased round the field by someone’s dog, or maybe some scumbag nicked the gate, or left it open, or even drove through the fence. None of these situations would have been his fault so again, how is he responsible? " By law. | |||
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