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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

C'mon ....... own up !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

1 bed flat here

Not guilty Officer Crumpet

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By *owlmMan
over a year ago

Wakefield

my living room is not accomodated at night should i give it up to immigrants?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Oh dont start it all up again lol

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

How many rooms are you hiding then ?

What't that lump under the carpet ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

lol

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"my living room is not accomodated at night should i give it up to immigrants?"

Of course not. Passing M.P's and other millionaires may need it to avoid duck island tax, never mind hotel bills.

Can you do breakfast ?

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

i think that this is the goverments game plan , as you have now become a second class person in your own country , why not save us all some money on our taxes that we are paying and shut the borders

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"i think that this is the goverments game plan , as you have now become a second class person in your own country , why not save us all some money on our taxes that we are paying and shut the borders "

Or rehouse the people.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

why should they be forced to move most of them have lived there nearly all there lives , get him to move out of number 10 and move a family in ,

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They are NOT being forced to move, just paying extra for the extra room. Either get a job or pay it. And why not?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"why should they be forced to move most of them have lived there nearly all there lives , get him to move out of number 10 and move a family in , "

What about his family ?

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"Passing M.P's and other millionaires may need it to avoid duck island tax, never mind hotel bills.

Can you do breakfast ?"

I do a mightily impressive duck soup

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"1 bed flat here

Not guilty Officer Crumpet "

How many rooms man ! how many rooms?

We are not taxing beds yet. That's next year.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

most can not get a job as there arnt any jobs wake up

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pay the extra then!

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"How many rooms man ! how many rooms?

We are not taxing beds yet. That's next year. "

Don't worry, I've already started bricking up ma windows

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are NOT being forced to move, just paying extra for the extra room. Either get a job or pay it. And why not?"

What about tennants who pay their own rent should they be paying extra for their spare rooms?

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"How many rooms man ! how many rooms?

We are not taxing beds yet. That's next year.

Don't worry, I've already started bricking up ma windows "

Fuck me ! Brill idea.

I'm going open plan .....hahahhaaaaaaaaa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Yup, I have an extra bedroom, but I own my house and we both work so my crocheting room remains untaxed

What I want to know is, what about those who foster? They require you to have a spare bedroom, however it won't always be occupied...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

omg Here we go again lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yup, I have an extra bedroom, but I own my house and we both work so my crocheting room remains untaxed

What I want to know is, what about those who foster? They require you to have a spare bedroom, however it won't always be occupied..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ffs you lot listen and learn tip bed on end put flowery quilt cover over it thats art put stapler on dressing table ta daaaaa an office no bedroom tax to pay

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ffs you lot listen and learn tip bed on end put flowery quilt cover over it thats art put stapler on dressing table ta daaaaa an office no bedroom tax to pay "

Great idea I'm on with it as we speak

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Metal shed and green house at the bottom of my garden are unoccupied right now

The rest of the place is just cosy

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge

I've got a damp old coal hole.

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"I've got a damp old coal hole. "

So much for discretion

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip "

I've lived in the city all my life. Waking up in a pokey bedsit in rural cumbria could just be the kick start I need in my Winter years.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent

No spare bedrooms here either. 2 bed flat for me and my son x

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"No spare bedrooms here either. 2 bed flat for me and my son x"

Does he really need his own room ?

Isn't there a space under your table where a put you up could be kept ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If people are that unhappy with it can I suggest a revolution? Get out on the streets and bring down the government. Stop going to work, stop paying tax, stop buying fuel, everyone get in their cars and gridlock the country. Use your voice.

And when the country goes the way of Cyprus and immigrants are hiding under their beds from roving gangs of Daily Mail readers then you can look back with a satisfied smile.

Of course if you're not going to do anything but whinge in a forum on a site dedicated to fucking then you are not likely to see any real change.

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"No spare bedrooms here either. 2 bed flat for me and my son x

Does he really need his own room ?

Isn't there a space under your table where a put you up could be kept ?"

Ooh yes good idea. Now I don't want to pay the bedroom tax so I need a lodger that doesn't mind being woken up at 5am every day by a screaming 2 year old x

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"How many rooms man ! how many rooms?

We are not taxing beds yet. That's next year.

Don't worry, I've already started bricking up ma windows

Fuck me ! Brill idea.

I'm going open plan .....hahahhaaaaaaaaa "

Does that include open legs

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"If people are that unhappy with it can I suggest a revolution? Get out on the streets and bring down the government. Stop going to work, stop paying tax, stop buying fuel, everyone get in their cars and gridlock the country. Use your voice.

And when the country goes the way of Cyprus and immigrants are hiding under their beds from roving gangs of Daily Mail readers then you can look back with a satisfied smile.

Of course if you're not going to do anything but whinge in a forum on a site dedicated to fucking then you are not likely to see any real change."

We all have to start somewhere citizen Jodie !

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By *r and Mrs SnogalotCouple
over a year ago

Glasgow


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job."

A fair opinion, but perhaps they should have built the one bedroom properties that those who are over occupied need first!

Shy

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip "

Your argument doesn't make sense , if there is nowhere for them to move into how are they being forced to move ? You can't move into nowhere.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

well with all the people that have crossed the borders to get to the uk , ask your self why there are not any jobs or houses ,

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip

Your argument doesn't make sense , if there is nowhere for them to move into how are they being forced to move ? You can't move into nowhere."

And if you cannot move in to nowhere then you are forced to pay the penalty. I could understand it if they were offered a decent place and refused but to be forced to pay it when there is nowhere else to go smacks of being punitive to the poor.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well with all the people that have crossed the borders to get to the uk , ask your self why there are not any jobs or houses , "

There are no jobs in Spain. Should they send all the Brits back here ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip

Your argument doesn't make sense , if there is nowhere for them to move into how are they being forced to move ? You can't move into nowhere.

And if you cannot move in to nowhere then you are forced to pay the penalty. I could understand it if they were offered a decent place and refused but to be forced to pay it when there is nowhere else to go smacks of being punitive to the poor."

That's a better argument , I can maybe see that point.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

decent place new carpets curtians moveing costs , why should they move to a slum place , ho i see all the bad eggs in one basket on handouts no job go on top it off with no house get a grip wake up ,

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Ok reality grip time folks, there are many homeless folks who could do with a roof over their heads, most of whom are homeless through no reason of their own making

Why then are there so many unoccupied properties available

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"decent place new carpets curtians moveing costs , why should they move to a slum place , ho i see all the bad eggs in one basket on handouts no job go on top it off with no house get a grip wake up , "

I'm wide awake but struggling to understand anything you are saying.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"decent place new carpets curtians moveing costs , why should they move to a slum place , ho i see all the bad eggs in one basket on handouts no job go on top it off with no house get a grip wake up ,

I'm wide awake but struggling to understand anything you are saying. "

I understand exactly what he is saying.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have rooms available for anyone wanting to facilitate their lifestyle as long as I charge less than bedroom tax I reckon I am on to a winner

To all those who have lived in a council house for a no of years, never thought of buying it as you go along? The prices were made at an available price so that people could have stability and be on the property ladder.

Try buying the same house from your local council and compare to the private market prices

Now I must attend to the immigrants currently clogging up my driveway, after all they are why the U.K is in a recession

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By *ollie_JCouple
over a year ago

London

3 spare bedrooms, but I have never claimed a benefit (apart from my firm doing SSP I guess)

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

well there you go just add a few more to the list , you dont see the goverment giveing up there second homes , lead by example

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"decent place new carpets curtians moveing costs , why should they move to a slum place , ho i see all the bad eggs in one basket on handouts no job go on top it off with no house get a grip wake up , "

Government normally hand out grants for such costs

Don't also remember being born with the god given right for someone else to pay for my life

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh

i think its a great idea, but i would go further. if you live in a council house and have a spare room then i think you should be forced to move. there are many families waiting for housing, why should we fund people to have spare rooms, if you want to have a bigger house then you need then buy or rent privetly.

the culture of something for nothing we have in this country has to change if we are going to be a player in the world.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well there you go just add a few more to the list , you dont see the goverment giveing up there second homes , lead by example "

If people want a second home, then do something about it other than whinge at people who have it!

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"well there you go just add a few more to the list , you dont see the goverment giveing up there second homes , lead by example "

they end to own the second homes

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

well your taxes have been paying for the goverment to rip you off for years most of your money ends up in there pockets one way or another 80 pence tax on petrol and a duck house second home £60 k a year wake up

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

Very easy for those in work to say that people are paid too much benefit, but imagine for 10 minutes that you lost your job and had to exist on JSA/benefits for 3 months?

I suppose we could just re-open the workhouses and laundries of the past, which based on some comments some would like to see.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Pay the extra then!"

with what, from where??

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"decent place new carpets curtians moveing costs , why should they move to a slum place , ho i see all the bad eggs in one basket on handouts no job go on top it off with no house get a grip wake up ,

I'm wide awake but struggling to understand anything you are saying.

I understand exactly what he is saying."

Could you please explain it to me then , starting off with people earning £1 an hour then the people being forced to move to slums then the bad eggs in a basket on handouts. I am sympathetic to people who are struggling but with this thread and the other one about this subject there are some very far fetched story's.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"well your taxes have been paying for the goverment to rip you off for years most of your money ends up in there pockets one way or another 80 pence tax on petrol and a duck house second home £60 k a year wake up "

that isnt the issue, the gov are trying to encorage people into work, a good thing in my _iew, to many people expect to be housed and payed for doing nothing, this is a mentality that has to change before the country goes bust

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"well your taxes have been paying for the goverment to rip you off for years most of your money ends up in there pockets one way or another 80 pence tax on petrol and a duck house second home £60 k a year wake up "

There is nothing I need to wake up to, the Blair/Brown administration brought about the country's recession and now people whinge that a government is trying to sort out their mess.

Only those genuinely in need of help should be entitled, there are way too many people in this society just after a free meal ticket at the taxpayers expense.

Nothing in life is free and no one is entitled to a free ride.

If people want more money, or a better life then they need to make the changes to facilitate it, not expect others in society to provide it for them!

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"Very easy for those in work to say that people are paid too much benefit, but imagine for 10 minutes that you lost your job and had to exist on JSA/benefits for 3 months?

I suppose we could just re-open the workhouses and laundries of the past, which based on some comments some would like to see."

i agree i wouldnt like to be in that situation, but it seams those cases are in the minority, there are far to many using benifits as a life long thing, it should be a short term thing for people between jobs

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens"

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very easy for those in work to say that people are paid too much benefit, but imagine for 10 minutes that you lost your job and had to exist on JSA/benefits for 3 months?

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If that is all you have then you have to budget with that amount, if you want more then do something about it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights."

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

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By *obandruthCouple
over a year ago

wolverhampton

100% true

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By *urreyfun2008Man
over a year ago

East Grinstead

If people consider tax a rip-off then answer is easy, don't pay it and if going to jail is not your idea of nice, then find a country that requires no taxes.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights."

I was one of those fortunate people for 23 years of my adult life, circumstances changed and I am now proud to be a council tennant. Saddens me how narrow minded some folk are

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well."

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job."

I agree . I wish I could afford a spare room but I am not on benefits living in a council house so I can't

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!"

Whether you are on benefits or not it is your responsibility to pay what you have to pay in order to live!

The point is the people moaning about it, benefits or not, still expect someone else to stump up for the extra cash needed!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!! "

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!"

I suppose because I am not in receipt of benefits or live in a council house or rented accommodation where the council contribute to my living expenses I could be deemed as well off, must mean I have to cough the extra required for the people in those situations then because that is totally fair

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

Whether you are on benefits or not it is your responsibility to pay what you have to pay in order to live!

The point is the people moaning about it, benefits or not, still expect someone else to stump up for the extra cash needed!!!!"

I have always been fortunate enough to pay my own way in life unlike my best friend who has a severely disabled son. I have empathy for her and others like her, wouldn't call it moaning

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!"

which is another issue, i believe council houses should be for people who cant afford to live alsewhere, we rent privatly and it costs alot, some months we struggle, and would love a council house as they are much cheeper but understand that there are people more in need than us, we know people who live in council houses who have alot more money than us, that was never the point of them

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

which is another issue, i believe council houses should be for people who cant afford to live alsewhere, we rent privatly and it costs alot, some months we struggle, and would love a council house as they are much cheeper but understand that there are people more in need than us, we know people who live in council houses who have alot more money than us, that was never the point of them"

And much of the stock was sold in the scheme to allow tenants to buy their own. Not a bad idea but no new stock was built - certainly not enough to cover what was needed. So for several decades now there has been a serious shortfall in social housing and now people are penalised for that.

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over a year ago


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here."

I have had two business's fold during the past 10 years, I was at risk of losing my house. I did not seek benefit I got myself out of the mess and downsized!

It is always people judging people who are deemed to be better off when the reality is you do not know the situation behind someone's standing.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My grandad was an orphan who was taken into Bermondsey Workhouse. Some people seem to have not moved on from those days.Positively Dickensian. The compassionless looking for passion.

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ

Ah politics again, bah humbug,I'm off for a cuppa

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

which is another issue, i believe council houses should be for people who cant afford to live alsewhere, we rent privatly and it costs alot, some months we struggle, and would love a council house as they are much cheeper but understand that there are people more in need than us, we know people who live in council houses who have alot more money than us, that was never the point of them"

As a single parent (not by choice before I get blasted for that)I couldnt afford to rent privately

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Very easy for those in work to say that people are paid too much benefit, but imagine for 10 minutes that you lost your job and had to exist on JSA/benefits for 3 months?

.

If that is all you have then you have to budget with that amount, if you want more then do something about it."

I worked it out if I don't have sky , two cars and a motorcycle and start shopping at Aldi I could afford to live on benefits.

I would walk everywhere its not like I have a job and am in a rush .

If You don't drink or smoke and bus sensibly it is possible to live on that and I reckon that you could have a reasonable standard of living some of tje nicest homes I have been in have been benefit claimants homes

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

Whether you are on benefits or not it is your responsibility to pay what you have to pay in order to live!

The point is the people moaning about it, benefits or not, still expect someone else to stump up for the extra cash needed!!!!

I have always been fortunate enough to pay my own way in life unlike my best friend who has a severely disabled son. I have empathy for her and others like her, wouldn't call it moaning"

Exactly and it is those people I believe who are entitled to help, genuine claimants.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here."

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on "

I personally wouldn't sign on.

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on "

Yup but lots of people think it will never happen to them. It can happen to anyone! That is what the Welfare State was for - people seem to have forgotten that!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My grandad was an orphan who was taken into Bermondsey Workhouse. Some people seem to have not moved on from those days.Positively Dickensian. The compassionless looking for passion."

yep the deserving, and undeserving poor

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on

Yup but lots of people think it will never happen to them. It can happen to anyone! That is what the Welfare State was for - people seem to have forgotten that!"

Tell that to the people who falsely claim at a cost of over 5 billion per year.

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on

Yup but lots of people think it will never happen to them. It can happen to anyone! That is what the Welfare State was for - people seem to have forgotten that!"

yes that is what the welfare state is for, not giving people spare rooms

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over a year ago

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield


"They are NOT being forced to move, just paying extra for the extra room. Either get a job or pay it. And why not?"

I had a job.

I would love to still be doing it. But i got a devastating medical diagnosis just before Christmas and like many self employed people i don't get sick pay - definitely not statutory sick pay! So i have had to quit work for the duration.

I could have bought my council property during the boom time on a self cert mortgage but i didn't for two reasons: i believe social housing should stay in the communal system (yep, a bit militant) and i also keep thinking that self cert mortgages were too good to be true. Especially since my work was never regular, id have good months, bad months, lets all go to Vegas months and Im living on beans months.

There are no one beds available near me, if there were Im barely well enough to get from the kitchen to bed today - how would i pack, move, prep new place and unpack?

All for the sake of a room 9 ft by 6.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

Whether you are on benefits or not it is your responsibility to pay what you have to pay in order to live!

The point is the people moaning about it, benefits or not, still expect someone else to stump up for the extra cash needed!!!!

I have always been fortunate enough to pay my own way in life unlike my best friend who has a severely disabled son. I have empathy for her and others like her, wouldn't call it moaning

Exactly and it is those people I believe who are entitled to help, genuine claimants."

But she is going to have to pay the bedroom tax for her spare room like everyone else. Her son is 23 and classed as independant

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"I personally wouldn't sign on."

What would you do if you had no money

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world!

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world! "

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By *ranny-Crumpet OP   Woman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross


"We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world! "

I can only agree to a certain extent.

What about a pensioner who has been in the same HOME for 40 years.

Reared their family.

Knows their neighbours

Has interests and hobbies there.

What about a ninety year old whose wife dies....

Stick him in a strange area in a small flat ?

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world!

I can only agree to a certain extent.

What about a pensioner who has been in the same HOME for 40 years.

Reared their family.

Knows their neighbours

Has interests and hobbies there.

What about a ninety year old whose wife dies....

Stick him in a strange area in a small flat ?

"

what about the family living in a b and b as there are no free homes?

we live in a capitalist sociaty if you want security in your home then buy one, there should be no other option,

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By *issHottieBottieWoman
over a year ago

Kent


"We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world!

I can only agree to a certain extent.

What about a pensioner who has been in the same HOME for 40 years.

Reared their family.

Knows their neighbours

Has interests and hobbies there.

What about a ninety year old whose wife dies....

Stick him in a strange area in a small flat ?

"

I think I read that pensioners are exempt x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are NOT being forced to move, just paying extra for the extra room. Either get a job or pay it. And why not?

What about tennants who pay their own rent should they be paying extra for their spare rooms?"

It doesn't affect private tennants.. Just social housing.

I agree something should be done, but I think they should of introduced new rules on those who want social housing.. Not force it on to those already in the system.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"We have 2 "spare" bedrooms, we can only afford to have a house this size because we sacrifice in other areas in order to afford a bigger mortgage.

Should 1 or both of us lose our jobs and be unable to find abnother before our savings run out, then we would not be able to afford this house, and as a result would have to sell up and down size.

We would not like it, but needs must!

its a fact of life that if you cant afford it, you do without.

Its about living within your means.

By all means have as many sopared bedrooms as you like -p as long as YOU yourself can afford to pay for them.

If you cant afford to pay for the LUXURY of spare rooms, then welcome to the real world!

I can only agree to a certain extent.

What about a pensioner who has been in the same HOME for 40 years.

Reared their family.

Knows their neighbours

Has interests and hobbies there.

What about a ninety year old whose wife dies....

Stick him in a strange area in a small flat ?

"

I agree it might be sad for the person concerned, but yes you still move them. Afterall, Will the bank/building society not repossess my home if i cant afford it just because i have brought my family up here?

People routinely have to move out of the homes they had lived in for their whole life due to inheritance tax, how is that any less sad? But the inland revenue dont decide to "let them off"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have an attic but my gimp Bernard is currently residing in there

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have an attic but my gimp Bernard is currently residing in there "

If anyone that works thinks its unfair that people pay bedroom tax or council tax , just offer to pay someone's that doesn't work

Problem solved

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better "

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush

If you lose your spare room. What the bloody hell are you meant to do with your ironing and clothes horse?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long "

Its repeated for us that can't be arsed getting outta bed

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long "

its ok she will have sky plussed it, as everyone knows that if your on benifits you get free sky

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By *ce WingerMan
over a year ago

P.O. Box DE1 0NQ


"

what about the family living in a b and b as there are no free homes?"

I used to live in a cardboard box in the middle of our street & get up half an hour before I went to bed......

Free homes, there are plenty of vacant properties

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long

its ok she will have sky plussed it, as everyone knows that if your on benifits you get free sky "

and don't forget my HUGE fuck off tv in the corner.....my lounge is like a cinema.....and the surround sound might just be enough to get me ma ASBO

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By *icketysplitsWoman
over a year ago

Way over Yonder, that's where I'm bound


"If you lose your spare room. What the bloody hell are you meant to do with your ironing and clothes horse? "

Quite!

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By *wingerdelightCouple
over a year ago

eastliegh


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long

its ok she will have sky plussed it, as everyone knows that if your on benifits you get free sky

and don't forget my HUGE fuck off tv in the corner.....my lounge is like a cinema.....and the surround sound might just be enough to get me ma ASBO "

what you dont already have one, and i thought you was a proper chav, your just a faker

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"As much as I hate to leave the thread, I really must get up, pull on ma shellsuit, grab ma burburry cap, grab ma fags and go watch jezza.....makes my life look better

Jezza is finished. You have been fart arsing in here too long

its ok she will have sky plussed it, as everyone knows that if your on benifits you get free sky

and don't forget my HUGE fuck off tv in the corner.....my lounge is like a cinema.....and the surround sound might just be enough to get me ma ASBO

what you dont already have one, and i thought you was a proper chav, your just a faker "

Busted!!...timewaster too

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I have a job and a home, with a bedroom for my daughter when she stays, and I have to work damn hard to sustain it - often doing lots of overtime.

Do I begrudge anyone who has to subsist on benefits? No, not in the slightest - because I understand that society works differently for different people and without society we'd be a much poorer place in so many ways. Like we are now - with everyone turning on eachother with a lack of compassion that is startling.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We moved from a lovely area that had pretty good jobs and housing last year to a what's called deprived ish area to be with a sick member of the family! It took me a month to start work and Luke about 6 weeks! And this is meant to be a high unemployment area!!

We have a 4 bedroom property with 3 spare rooms!! But we work bloody hard for it!! I have my normal 9-5 ish job plus my own small business!!

Not sure whether I agree or disagree with the bedroom tax.... I am going to just sit on the fence

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Easy way to get around your bedroom tax - claim one spare room as a prayer room that's what a lot of people are doing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

We have a spare vivarium, that would house a small person

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By *owlmMan
over a year ago

Wakefield


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job."

my jobs crap i work 12 hour physical labour and then i risk my life driving an hour there and back every fucking day. if you can get me a better job i'd take it. but THERE ARE NO JOBS HOW MANY TIMES!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"They are NOT being forced to move, just paying extra for the extra room. Either get a job or pay it. And why not?"

Maybe because we pay extra rent already for larger flats or houses, so why should we have to pay again..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I've been told that I may actually get a house due to this new policy. Because I am waiting on a 4 or 5 bed house. And several in my area are occupied by people who no longer require that size house.

So I partly get why but I am going to feel a bit guilty.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Thatchers fault

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

But for the grace of God...however!

My salary is set. I haven't had a pay rise in years and I now have to contribute 10% of my salary into my pension scheme: my employer has been paying it all before last August.

In real terms my salary has dropped by a significant amount, my bills continue to rise. EDF asked for £100 now they want £130 a month. Other bills are also rising, but my salary remains the same.

It's all relative. Some people on benefits seem unable to see that some of us in work are struggling too. I have two adult children at home, one a low paid nurse, the other in full time education.

My ex-husband pays the phone bills for the girls, bought, insures, fills up their cars and pays half the uni fees. Without his help it would be a struggle, but struggle I would. It seems some people don't want to give up anything, but seem resentful towards those not on benefits.

No one should be forced from their home, but you have to pay to stay there!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job.

A fair opinion, but perhaps they should have built the one bedroom properties that those who are over occupied need first!

Shy "

By 'they' you mean US - the taxpayer - should pay for more houses to be built so that council tenants can have a nice shiny new home to live in for ten years and then buy it on the cheap under the right to buy scheme!

Mrs Thatcher realised government should not be in the business of building houses to sell cheaply to people who were rubbing their hands with glee at the prospect of owning their own home at a cost to the general taxpayer. She knew that maintaining this vast portfolio of houses cost £millions to people who had no vested interest in them - those that already owned their own houses, so buy allowing people to buy their houses got rid of a lot of that stock (and let's not forget that people flocked in their thousands to snap them up, my own parents included who bought their house for £9k and sold it ten years later for £125k).

Why would a government sell houses cheaply only to build more at a much larger cost to then sell those houses cheaply too?

Sure there will always be those who for one reason or another cannot buy their own house and the government maintain a housing stock to serve those needs, but they are limited so it must allocate those houses in the most expedient and efficient manner it can, and where it is possible government must encourage council tenants to get off their arses and work for what they want.

That's what all these recent changes to the benefits system is about. It's getting as many people as possible to take responsibility for their own lives and be productive contributors to the system instead of a perpetual drain upon it. Only then may we see duty on fuel stabilising, or income tax rates going down, or NI contributions lessened. Whilst we have a huge army of benefit claimants we need an equally huge army of taxpayers to subsidise them, and that has got to change.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a job.

my jobs crap i work 12 hour physical labour and then i risk my life driving an hour there and back every fucking day. if you can get me a better job i'd take it. but THERE ARE NO JOBS HOW MANY TIMES!!!!!!!"

Risk your life? How the fuck are you risking your life? If you're tired pull over and have a kip, that's what I used to do when I drove up and down the country as part of my job. We have these things called Service Stations that are really great places to pull into for half an hour and get some sleep. Sheesh.

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks


"1 bed flat here

Not guilty Officer Crumpet "
1 bed private rented and skintin me

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By *aucy3Couple
over a year ago

glasgow

Well I've got nearly 400 spare rooms,and thats only in my London residence,my family and I have lived on state handouts all our lives,just as well us pensioners are exempt.

What happened to the good old days,when the 8 year olds swept the chimneys,and a family of 10 could quite easily live in one room.

it's so nice to see this lovely government,doing their best,to take us back to those halcyon days,ah bless.

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By *oulou45Woman
over a year ago

Bucks


"Oh dont start it all up again lol "
1 bed private rent that skints me. Can we knock this on the head now.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

I suppose because I am not in receipt of benefits or live in a council house or rented accommodation where the council contribute to my living expenses I could be deemed as well off, must mean I have to cough the extra required for the people in those situations then because that is totally fair "

Think of this then, we own our house (yes no mortgage), we receive no benefits. We pay more taxes than most. Oh and we have 2 spare rooms.

I haven't used a doctors or hospital in around 10 years. I bet you have, I deem that to be unfair. Why should my taxes pay for your hospital/doctors visits when I don't use them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I lost my job last Thursday. By the time my benefits are sorted I'm likely to already be in arrears.....doubt if they'll be so slow to take account of my 3rd bedroom...oh and yeah I know I can move.

The 3rd room wasn't a luxury...I rented the property to give my friends son a home when he returned from NZ.....he's moved out now, but I'm in no position to move.

My situations because I helped someone out...not cos I'm a lazy cow that doesn't wanna work.

It's not always black and white!!

I know - god help those who are quick to criticise EVER find themselves in the same situation. Lots of ivory towers here.

I've worked all my days in bloody good jobs and have paid my taxes.....counts for nothing it appears. Still considered a scrounger and lumped with the won't work brigade.

I hope your jobs are secure....would HATE to be a fly on the wall the day the day some folk may have to sign on

Yup but lots of people think it will never happen to them. It can happen to anyone! That is what the Welfare State was for - people seem to have forgotten that!

Tell that to the people who falsely claim at a cost of over 5 billion per year.

"

In percentage terms the government said in 2012 fraudulent claims made up 0.7% of overall claims. The figure doesn't look quite so big now does it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

for those who will be taxed on the spare rooms. If you truly cant aford it/low income you ring your local council/benafit place and they asess weather you have to pay it or not. Aparently they can isue another benafit of sorts that will cover it. I say aparently as I havent looked in to it myself just now a few who are.

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By *iss_tressWoman
over a year ago

London

Let's be honest: we're not on moneysavingtips.com!

As I said in my earlier post, but for the grace of God. We know times are hard, we know people are struggling, however, I find it very hard to empathise with people who are complaining about having to pay an extra £10 or whatever it is for their home, when they're on a swingers site, quite happily telling the world and his wife on other threads how they pay for baby sitters, go halves or pay for hotel rooms, swinging clubs et al to get their grove on!

Priorities people - priorities!

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By *empting Devil.Woman
over a year ago

Sheffield

To Wet1him: if your circumstances changed suddenly (like mine did; working, paying my dues etc to major health issues stopped work, using the health service heavily, claiming benefits to live) then the system is there and it's what we've contributed to.

The welfare state is the system in this country. If i lived in the US or even Ireland then i would have had to structure my life and finances accordingly. I don't. I live here and for the vast majority of my life since i was 17 i have paid into the communal pot for health care and for support in times of need.

Unfortunately you can't pick and choose when your personal need arises.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To Wet1him: if your circumstances changed suddenly (like mine did; working, paying my dues etc to major health issues stopped work, using the health service heavily, claiming benefits to live) then the system is there and it's what we've contributed to.

The welfare state is the system in this country. If i lived in the US or even Ireland then i would have had to structure my life and finances accordingly. I don't. I live here and for the vast majority of my life since i was 17 i have paid into the communal pot for health care and for support in times of need.

Unfortunately you can't pick and choose when your personal need arises. "

Indeed. Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I mentioned Chris Hitchens on the Inspiration thread yesterday. I've just been reminded of this....

" I learned that very often the most intolerant and narrow-minded people are the ones who congratulate themselves on their tolerance and open-mindedness."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tories cause unrest. Disgruntled bickering. Takes the heat off the bigger picture.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I mentioned Chris Hitchens on the Inspiration thread yesterday. I've just been reminded of this....

" I learned that very often the most intolerant and narrow-minded people are the ones who congratulate themselves on their tolerance and open-mindedness.""

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Will someone please explain to me why people renting rather than buying are seen as second class citizens

Some people who are fortunate to have been able to get a mortgage and own their own home feel that it makes them superior and that they are entitled to more rights.

Not true on my behalf and a massive sweeping generalisation.

I do not treat people differently regardless of financial status.

What I do not like is people moaning about it when they can do something about it, and people who expect others to not only pay their own bills but pick up their outgoings as well.

Not all council tennants are on benefits!!!!

I suppose because I am not in receipt of benefits or live in a council house or rented accommodation where the council contribute to my living expenses I could be deemed as well off, must mean I have to cough the extra required for the people in those situations then because that is totally fair

Think of this then, we own our house (yes no mortgage), we receive no benefits. We pay more taxes than most. Oh and we have 2 spare rooms.

I haven't used a doctors or hospital in around 10 years. I bet you have, I deem that to be unfair. Why should my taxes pay for your hospital/doctors visits when I don't use them? "

If that statement is aimed at me, I have no idea why!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"they are being forced to move and there are not any houses for them to move into wake up smell the coffe , its always the poor that owe the rich a liveing , pole tax ,,, jobes £1 an hour and now there so called bed room or spare room tax , get a grip

Your argument doesn't make sense , if there is nowhere for them to move into how are they being forced to move ? You can't move into nowhere.

And if you cannot move in to nowhere then you are forced to pay the penalty. I could understand it if they were offered a decent place and refused but to be forced to pay it when there is nowhere else to go smacks of being punitive to the poor."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Tax the spare room if your not working.

Why should we pay!

I would love a spare room, me the wife and 4 kids 3 bed house private rent! Because we both work if we gave up we would get more on the social,

Tax them simples

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"I have rooms available for anyone wanting to facilitate their lifestyle as long as I charge less than bedroom tax I reckon I am on to a winner

To all those who have lived in a council house for a no of years, never thought of buying it as you go along? The prices were made at an available price so that people could have stability and be on the property ladder.

Try buying the same house from your local council and compare to the private market prices

Now I must attend to the immigrants currently clogging up my driveway, after all they are why the U.K is in a recession "

The good old commonwealth eh, thats the problem especially what ive see in Leicester, people just jump on the bandwagon and blame the EEC for this mess, when you have families from our far flung lands that can just ship in the cousins ect

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Shut the border to any one that's no use to us NOW

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire


"Yup, I have an extra bedroom, but I own my house and we both work so my crocheting room remains untaxed

What I want to know is, what about those who foster? They require you to have a spare bedroom, however it won't always be occupied..."

Foster carers are exempt on the first spare bedroom but to be honest I don't know many foster carers that stay empty for long due to the increase in the looked after population!!

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By *eryBigGirlWoman
over a year ago

East Yorkshire

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Ok reality grip time folks, there are many homeless folks who could do with a roof over their heads, most of whom are homeless through no reason of their own making

Why then are there so many unoccupied properties available "
. Well said! A family member of mine has never worked has a 3bed house on the council. Now why should 2 rooms sit empty on the tax payer ?? No it's not fair.but neither is that my mum owns her place and we are over crowded to the max! (No living room) ..... So one spare room going? Foster? Do a spare room project 4 a homeless young person (see nightstop for a good example) you were housed in a large house as u had kids ... Your kids are grown so sorry u gotta go!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Yup, I have an extra bedroom, but I own my house and we both work so my crocheting room remains untaxed

What I want to know is, what about those who foster? They require you to have a spare bedroom, however it won't always be occupied...

Foster carers are exempt on the first spare bedroom but to be honest I don't know many foster carers that stay empty for long due to the increase in the looked after population!!"
should be total exemption for foster careers ! Much needed person of society

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By *isscheekychopsWoman
over a year ago

The land of grey peas and bacon

Discrentiory housing benefit can be applied for....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"And what's wrong with NOT living beyond your means with extra rooms? Some people who own their own homes and have worked all their lives have to live in cramped conditions so let's not pander to benefit claimants needs. Good on the Government for doing something about the benefits system in this country. Too many deceiving or too lazy to get a

job."

It's the worlds biggest recession with unemployment at an all time high job agencies taken over the job Market there are no permanent jobs for these so called lazy people you speak of get in the real world mate the average weekly take home in this country is 500 pounds if these people are moaning about supporting the needy with 70 pounds a week I think it is them with the problem

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By *nnyMan
over a year ago

Glasgow


"Discrentiory housing benefit can be applied for...."

It's not an unlimited amount of money and won't cover the shortfall.

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By *umplay1969Man
over a year ago

Mayland

I've got two spare rooms, and my bedroom only gets slept in on a Friday and Saturday night as I'm away all week working. Some times I stay away at weekends too !

Tell who you like, I own it, mortgage free as of January. Fuck them all !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The problem is that housing associations do not have a ready supply of one bedroom flats.

I know 2 people who have applied to move, but can't. The queue at the housing association was round the block, most people were there because they couldn't get through by phone.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The problem is that housing associations do not have a ready supply of one bedroom flats.

I know 2 people who have applied to move, but can't. The queue at the housing association was round the block, most people were there because they couldn't get through by phone. "

House allocations are done on a points system and when a house suitable for a number of people waiting for housing becomes available it goes to a bidding process. The bidding doesn't involve bidding with cash but it takes all the people with enough points to warrant being given the house and those people then _iew the property and decide if it suits their needs and, of those who apply for the house, the one with the highest number of points gets it.

Queues around the corner is nothing more than propaganda claptrap.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Discrentiory housing benefit can be applied for...."

Where can I apply?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has anyone spotted any crying elderly lady's today ? There seemed to be an outbreak of them yesterday.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone spotted any crying elderly lady's today ? There seemed to be an outbreak of them yesterday. "

I think they've all been rounded up, taken to the woods and shot.

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

The assumption that the poor are only poor because they are feckless, and it's their fault is wrong and stupid and objectionable.

There are very few jobs available and many of these pay crap wages.

Cosy people in good jobs can believe the lie - until they're made redundant.

Been made redundant twice, now in a poorly paid part time job. Receive no benefits. Still have own house but will have no pension pot at all, and hope the welfare state will still exist to help me when I retire...

High time to close this thread.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone spotted any crying elderly lady's today ? There seemed to be an outbreak of them yesterday.

I think they've all been rounded up, taken to the woods and shot. "
Didnt see any elderly ladies crying yesterday, oh maybe that was me???? havnt been shot sorry to say, just been to busy to play on here as i was at work.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To Wet1him: if your circumstances changed suddenly (like mine did; working, paying my dues etc to major health issues stopped work, using the health service heavily, claiming benefits to live) then the system is there and it's what we've contributed to.

The welfare state is the system in this country. If i lived in the US or even Ireland then i would have had to structure my life and finances accordingly. I don't. I live here and for the vast majority of my life since i was 17 i have paid into the communal pot for health care and for support in times of need.

Unfortunately you can't pick and choose when your personal need arises. "

I completely agree with you, my post was meant to highlight the fact that those that pay taxes-every 1 of us to a greater or lesser degree-don't neccesarily use all or any of the facilities paid for by said taxes. It was meant to be a tad tongue in cheek. Sorry if it caused offence to you, but it wasn't aimed at anyone claiming benefits or using public services.

To be honest we're sick and tired of hearing a certain few whine and complain about "paying for the workshy in free houses" when in reality they also use facilities paid for by taxes which some of us never use e.g. hospitals, doctors, council leisure centres etc etc etc.

We are not and never have complained about the use of our taxes to pay for any benefits/facilities. That is the nature of the developed social society we live in.

Although, we do complain about M.P.s use of public funds

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"The assumption that the poor are only poor because they are feckless, and it's their fault is wrong and stupid and objectionable.

There are very few jobs available and many of these pay crap wages.

Cosy people in good jobs can believe the lie - until they're made redundant.

Been made redundant twice, now in a poorly paid part time job. Receive no benefits. Still have own house but will have no pension pot at all, and hope the welfare state will still exist to help me when I retire...

High time to close this thread."

You are 57 years old and if you have no pension pot it's because you haven't paid into one in the 41 years you've been working. That's nobody's fault but your own.

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Let's be honest: we're not on moneysavingtips.com!

As I said in my earlier post, but for the grace of God. We know times are hard, we know people are struggling, however, I find it very hard to empathise with people who are complaining about having to pay an extra £10 or whatever it is for their home, when they're on a swingers site, quite happily telling the world and his wife on other threads how they pay for baby sitters, go halves or pay for hotel rooms, swinging clubs et al to get their grove on!

Priorities people - priorities! "

couldn't agree more.

you read about alleged hardship on here, borrowing money to survive... then parties, club nights, social, meet requests and sharing costs... and up they pop

I remember asking someone on here who was declaring bankruptcy. if they considered the people who they owed money to, when travelling across the UK for meets and clubs nights....

NO was the answer. They need to play, hey !!

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By *iamp86Man
over a year ago

preston

I'm probably fucked as I have two spare rooms inside and two sheds outside

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By *B9 QueenWoman
over a year ago

Over the rainbow, under the bridge


"Let's be honest: we're not on moneysavingtips.com!

As I said in my earlier post, but for the grace of God. We know times are hard, we know people are struggling, however, I find it very hard to empathise with people who are complaining about having to pay an extra £10 or whatever it is for their home, when they're on a swingers site, quite happily telling the world and his wife on other threads how they pay for baby sitters, go halves or pay for hotel rooms, swinging clubs et al to get their grove on!

Priorities people - priorities!

couldn't agree more.

you read about alleged hardship on here, borrowing money to survive... then parties, club nights, social, meet requests and sharing costs... and up they pop

I remember asking someone on here who was declaring bankruptcy. if they considered the people who they owed money to, when travelling across the UK for meets and clubs nights....

NO was the answer. They need to play, hey !!"

And, naturally, they are deemed to be completely representative of every single person in that situation.

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By * Jay69Man
over a year ago

Bridgwater - Somerset

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn


"Let's be honest: we're not on moneysavingtips.com!

As I said in my earlier post, but for the grace of God. We know times are hard, we know people are struggling, however, I find it very hard to empathise with people who are complaining about having to pay an extra £10 or whatever it is for their home, when they're on a swingers site, quite happily telling the world and his wife on other threads how they pay for baby sitters, go halves or pay for hotel rooms, swinging clubs et al to get their grove on!

Priorities people - priorities!

couldn't agree more.

you read about alleged hardship on here, borrowing money to survive... then parties, club nights, social, meet requests and sharing costs... and up they pop

I remember asking someone on here who was declaring bankruptcy. if they considered the people who they owed money to, when travelling across the UK for meets and clubs nights....

NO was the answer. They need to play, hey !!

And, naturally, they are deemed to be completely representative of every single person in that situation."

No

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone spotted any crying elderly lady's today ? There seemed to be an outbreak of them yesterday.

I think they've all been rounded up, taken to the woods and shot. Didnt see any elderly ladies crying yesterday, oh maybe that was me???? havnt been shot sorry to say, just been to busy to play on here as i was at work."

Glad to see you haven't been shot.

The elderly lady's crying wasn't aimed at you , I wouldn't be so rude. It's just that yesterday two seperate posts appeared claiming people had come across elderly lady's crying and when asked why they said its because the government are forcing them to move.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Has anyone spotted any crying elderly lady's today ? There seemed to be an outbreak of them yesterday.

I think they've all been rounded up, taken to the woods and shot. Didnt see any elderly ladies crying yesterday, oh maybe that was me???? havnt been shot sorry to say, just been to busy to play on here as i was at work.

Glad to see you haven't been shot.

The elderly lady's crying wasn't aimed at you , I wouldn't be so rude. It's just that yesterday two seperate posts appeared claiming people had come across elderly lady's crying and when asked why they said its because the government are forcing them to move. "
ok

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hope everyone's had a nice day, can we talk about something light hearted and happy now please?????

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By *Ryan-Man
over a year ago

In Your Bush


"Hope everyone's had a nice day, can we talk about something light hearted and happy now please????? "

Yes but not for another 9 posts

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My cat came to greet me at the door. Is that light and cherry enough?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Hope everyone's had a nice day, can we talk about something light hearted and happy now please?????

Yes but not for another 9 posts

"
lol.....No it needs to be happy from NOW

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By *iewMan
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over a year ago

Angus & Findhorn

I fancy a bit of cock...

any offers, you can stay in my spare room for the night

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My cat came to greet me at the door. Is that light and cherry enough? "
Awwww thats lovely it really cheered me up, Thankyou.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just a thought... how will the spare room tax be applied to squatters? Will they have to get more squatters in to fill up any surplus rooms they find themselves suddenly in the possession of?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a thought... how will the spare room tax be applied to squatters? Will they have to get more squatters in to fill up any surplus rooms they find themselves suddenly in the possession of? "

i thought she'd got a five mil pay rise?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My cat came to greet me at the door. Is that light and cherry enough? Awwww thats lovely it really cheered me up, Thankyou."

You're very welcome. He does such cute things sometimes when not causing devastation lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Just a thought... how will the spare room tax be applied to squatters? Will they have to get more squatters in to fill up any surplus rooms they find themselves suddenly in the possession of?

i thought she'd got a five mil pay rise?"

Who? Baroness Warsi?

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