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"two 12 yr old boys convicted of murder - using a machete a 14 and 15 yr old and two 16 yr olds have been arrested at the weekend in Nuneaton following fatal stabbing on one of the main roads in town ! the list is so long the number of knife murders by kids with knives! how does a 12 yr old hide a machete under their bed or even in their house and it not been seen by parents?? they not small! What is going on ! " That one in Nuneaton was to close to home. Sadly it's spreading everywhere | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. " New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. " An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. " Exactly my point. The current system has failed and a new approach is required. But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action. But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place. Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place. Making social media more responsible for the their involvement. Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons. For a start | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. Exactly my point. The current system has failed and a new approach is required. But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action. But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place. Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place. Making social media more responsible for the their involvement. Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons. For a start " And that's just the tip of the iceberg and let's not pretend that this is just an inner city issue this is a small town and village in middle Briton issue as much as big cities. | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. Exactly my point. The current system has failed and a new approach is required. But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action. But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place. Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place. Making social media more responsible for the their involvement. Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons. For a start " I disagree with you almost completely but I don’t have the headspace to get into that rn Fair enough though  | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. Exactly my point. The current system has failed and a new approach is required. But taking any blame away from the culprit isn't the way forward and people need to understand that there has to be consequences for criminal action. But stuff needs to be done rightly so to stop anyone picking up a knife in the first place. Starting off with making it illegal to sell them in any way shape or form in the first place. Making social media more responsible for the their involvement. Making musical artists more responsible for their involvement in the glamorisation of violence and carrying weapons. For a start I disagree with you almost completely but I don’t have the headspace to get into that rn Fair enough though "Whatever  | |||
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently. I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what . " They get them at the school gates. | |||
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently. I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what . They get them at the school gates." Get what ? Free passes to cause misery. | |||
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"It was probably hidden in a shed or selling someone’s else house, gangs normally hide things also, so was it hand associated violence or just a malignant act?" nope it was located under the bed (for the 12 year olds) | |||
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"It was probably hidden in a shed or selling someone’s else house, gangs normally hide things also, so was it hand associated violence or just a malignant act? nope it was located under the bed (for the 12 year olds)" With all the empty yogurt pots and banana skins. | |||
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"two 12 yr old boys convicted of murder - using a machete a 14 and 15 yr old and two 16 yr olds have been arrested at the weekend in Nuneaton following fatal stabbing on one of the main roads in town ! the list is so long the number of knife murders by kids with knives! how does a 12 yr old hide a machete under their bed or even in their house and it not been seen by parents?? they not small! What is going on ! " Generally hidden in plain sight for easy access out of the house | |||
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"The kids probably been dragged up by scum bag parents. He blighted his estate by what his neighbours have commented, out all night , theiving, putting fireworks through letter boxes apparently. I've a 12yr old and know exactly where he is at all times and he certainly doesn't get to roam about at night up to God knows what . They get them at the school gates. Get what ? Free passes to cause misery. " They get recruited. | |||
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"To answer your question OP. The parents very probably couldn't have given a shit and never even looked. Besides with the way the system is weighted in favour of children parents probably would be penalised for searching a child's room, reported to social services. So is it any suprise that knife crime is at an epidemic level kid's can pretty much get away with murder before anyone takes notice and does something. Let's not pretend that this is a new thing I could go on for a very long time with all the incidents I was witness to and victim of as a young lad, being threatened with a hatchet by a guy 5 years older than myself outside the school gates being one in 1983. The difference is today that the consequences for anti social and violent behaviour these days is much zero. So if they catch a child carrying a machete? Assuming that the police persuaded the case to go to court by the time it eventually gets there,case workers and apologists will have a excuse for the wee scrot blaming everyone and everything else apart from the person themselves. A slap on the wrist and a pat on the head. It's a very broken system and I will argue with anyone who disagrees because it's very clear that whatever is being done isn't working and some radical changes are required to deter people from carrying dangerous weapons and committing violent crimes. I've been the victim and trust me when I say the perpetrators had zero consequences. New Labour’s tough on crime and tough on the causes of crime hardly stopped youth crime or youth violence did it? I can tell you that having grown up in it and the aftermath of it. ASBOs don’t help. Tough on crime doesn’t help. Nobody wants to tackle the root causes of crime and then wonders why it persists. These young people are victims too. They’re children. We say they’re too young to make informed decisions or to fend for themselves. They are vulnerable. And to imply that parents are in any way to blame is again not acknowledging the stresses often on parents of these kids or the effort that many of them are putting in. Child centeredness feels like it is to blame for many problems but this isn’t one. Reactive measures don’t stop crime happening. If it did, rises in stop and search would’ve ended knife crime years ago. It didn’t then and it won’t now. An approach to crime that focuses on deterrence isn’t an effective approach to tackling crime. " I have to agree with pickle, people who think deterrence is the answer, don't understand the problem. To understand it, watch the TV series The Wire. It was ground breaking. You can't provide a proper solution till you understand the problem. | |||
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"How about making it more difficult to get hands on knives??,, they are too easy to buy,, from most hardware shops and then you have the specialist shops both physical and online that sells any sort of blade imaginable! Legally selling dangerous weapons on the street in plain sight - most would say they sell responsibly but there are ones that would make a sale just for the shear greed of a sale" No 12yo or 18yo is buying a knife legally. I don't think high street shops are the issue. Also, accepting that most people don't use machetes in the kitchen, young people don't have to look far in most homes to find some kind of knife, if they really think they "need" one. It's one of those weapons we cannot wholly ban, like we can guns and other things that do not have a legit daily function for pretty much all of us. | |||
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