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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. " Auch, LOL! Gender dysphoria is a mental disorder. No amount of hormones will make a born male have a menstruation, men have a cycle that might be deranged by the HRT. The same as putting a fetus shaped dildo in your ass and pushing it out is not giving birth. (True story) | |||
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"CIS women's menstrual cycle is not just the shedding of the uterus lining and bleeding it also involves the release of an egg It involves the ovaries and hormones estrogen and progesterone. And finally follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH) which releases the egg mid way through the cycle and ovulation and important part of the menstrual cycle. I am on HRT having reached the menopause so my body is no longer naturally producing the right hormones at the levels they were and my ovaries are irreversibly low on eggs. Some HRT is tailored to a 28 day cycle. So you can get the hormone cycle but no bleeding. I would suggest that whilst the hormone cycle maybe similar for a transwoman to a cis women, without a uterus and ovaries it can't be exactly the same, just as myself on HRT is no longer the same as I was pre-menoupause, gone are the days of period cramps and heavy bleeding that is the delight of a period (thankfully)" Genuine question, beyond the physical stuff being different - is the rest different? | |||
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"Trans men can of course have menstruation if they have retained their uterus and ovaries from prior to transition. I don't know enough about the hormones they take to know the impact on their cycle. " Yes. I think that is what I said. Only women can menstruate. | |||
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"Trans men can of course have menstruation if they have retained their uterus and ovaries from prior to transition. I don't know enough about the hormones they take to know the impact on their cycle. " Pretend men can still have menstruation because they are not real men...cutting your genitals does not change your basic genome? We can play pretend all we want...but that does not make it real. I wonder how many undergo surgery to then regret it...being a man has its downsides its not all privilege and adjusted to one's possibilities living, its competitive, ruthless, and nobody treats you like a lady...being a man does not mean playing the life game on easy mode. (Wonder if some will find facts offensive, I bet they have blue hair and scream when no arguments to be presented) | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. " I’m a transmasc that has periods, awks! | |||
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"Trans women on hormones are on a constant unchanging dose of hormones all the time so no they do not have any hormone fluctuations. This is similar to cis women on constant hormonal birth control, unless they stop taking their pill or don't have an injection every 3 months to allow the levels to drop they don't have a period or any of the period type symptoms either. " That's interesting. I've been on several different types of birth control, most recently the Mirena, and I experience changes in mood, libido etc on all of them. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. I’m a transmasc that has periods, awks!" Does that mean that you are a woman? | |||
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"Trans women on hormones are on a constant unchanging dose of hormones all the time so no they do not have any hormone fluctuations. This is similar to cis women on constant hormonal birth control, unless they stop taking their pill or don't have an injection every 3 months to allow the levels to drop they don't have a period or any of the period type symptoms either. " Not menstruation. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. " The OP was asking about a period cycle not just periods. So a hormonal cycle and how it can change? I think most are fully aware that without a uterus, you cannot have a period  | |||
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"Trans women on hormones are on a constant unchanging dose of hormones all the time so no they do not have any hormone fluctuations. This is similar to cis women on constant hormonal birth control, unless they stop taking their pill or don't have an injection every 3 months to allow the levels to drop they don't have a period or any of the period type symptoms either. " That's not true & is an oversimplification... A lot of women on constant hormonal contraception experience symptoms of PMS & still have periods too, this is due to their natural hormones not being suppressed and so they still fluctuate. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. I’m a transmasc that has periods, awks! Does that mean that you are a woman?" No it means I’m a transmasc hope this helps | |||
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"People can pretend whatever they like, just don't expect others to play along. " to play along ?? | |||
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"Here’s one to twist your noodle… Some guys get sympathy pains for somebody, trans or not. " Empathy is not menstruation. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. I’m a transmasc that has periods, awks! Does that mean that you are a woman? No. I have no idea what that means. No it means I’m a transmasc hope this helps " | |||
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"Read some genuine cases of trans women squirting ketchup up their bum to imitate a period, if this helps? "Hilarious, but do tell me where you read this?? Off course you can't.... | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook." Yes, these things are rarely as simple as people make out. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. The OP was asking about a period cycle not just periods. So a hormonal cycle and how it can change? I think most are fully aware that without a uterus, you cannot have a period "Men and women have hormonal cycles. Only women have periods. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. I’m a transmasc that has periods, awks! Does that mean that you are a woman? No. I have no idea what that means. No it means I’m a transmasc hope this helps " Transmasculine is a term used for those assigned female at birth and whose gender identity or expression is masculine but not necessarily male. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. The OP was asking about a period cycle not just periods. So a hormonal cycle and how it can change? I think most are fully aware that without a uterus, you cannot have a period
Men and women have hormonal cycles. Only women have periods. "Oh, and the OP was specifically asking about periods. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP "Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly. | |||
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"Trans women on hormones are on a constant unchanging dose of hormones all the time so no they do not have any hormone fluctuations. This is similar to cis women on constant hormonal birth control, unless they stop taking their pill or don't have an injection every 3 months to allow the levels to drop they don't have a period or any of the period type symptoms either. That's not true & is an oversimplification... A lot of women on constant hormonal contraception experience symptoms of PMS & still have periods too, this is due to their natural hormones not being suppressed and so they still fluctuate." Yeah, but men don’t have periods, so regardless of surgery or whatever, they cannot have periods. | |||
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"Hormonal changes are not menstruation. Of course men cannot have periods and no amount of wishful thinking or reality bending will make it so. The OP was asking about a period cycle not just periods. So a hormonal cycle and how it can change? I think most are fully aware that without a uterus, you cannot have a period
Men and women have hormonal cycles. Only women have periods.
Oh, and the OP was specifically asking about periods. "The OP clarified "period cycle", aka menstrual cycle, and has explained that she recognises transwomen will not experience the shedding of uterine lining. It might astound you to know that males have a rhythm to their natural hormonal cycles too. There's a constant feedback loop between the brain and testes (which are essentially externalised ovaries) and there's a different daily rhythm. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly. "You've made your view crystal clear, repeatedly, ad nauseum, etc. We know what you believe: that trans people do not exist, that they are just mutilating themselves and taking medication for no reason, and that by repeatedly denying their existence you'll do some good. How does this contribute to the discussion that's been proposed in the OP, that people are interested in having? TV/TS is a subsection of this website, and it's presumably an issue that some people in that category (and those not in that category, given the enormous diversity of human genetic expression) experience. | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook." Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly. "Reported as not reading the posts and posting one liners that can be interpreted as female-transphobic (ignoring arguments on trans men) and potentially offensive. | |||
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"People can pretend whatever they like, just don't expect others to play along. to play along ??" I prefer to think of it as gaslighting rather than playing along. | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook. Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. " This is giving me real "I studied science in primary school and everything I studied then is 100% true and can never change" energy  | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook. Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. " Please do mansplain my job to me. The menstrual cycle is not all about periods. What do you think happens on that occasion where the little swimmy thing makes it through the mucus and the acidic environment and pierces the zona pellucida and the genetic material fuses with the nucleus of the ovum that has matured just on the right day? Cos it ain't a period. That is still a menstrual cycle that has occurred. Not all cycles result in ovulation either, nor is it only ever one ovum (hence non identical twins). I'm back my day job now. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly. "Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
J"The derailing is annoying. It's not like we don't know that a subsection of the population feel this way, and believe they are correct. Would people go into a thread on say, justifying swinging and Christianity and go off about the flying spaghetti monster or Allah coming to smite you all? (Actually, yes, they would, and I wish they'd stop too As a former Christian, I'd either swerve that topic or try to understand based on my own understanding)
Variations in hormones are interesting to a lot of us - and not just trans people. There are a lot of people, myself included (there's an F on my original birth certificate and I've had ovarian surgery twice, not that it fucking matters) who are interested in deviations from average hormonal activity, and the effect it has on our health. Some of us (myself included) are on medication or otherwise that might affect what would otherwise come without intervention.
But instead we're told that the entire discussion isn't real. Yes. We know what you believe. You don't have to tell us repeatedly. | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook. Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. Please do mansplain my job to me. The menstrual cycle is not all about periods. What do you think happens on that occasion where the little swimmy thing makes it through the mucus and the acidic environment and pierces the zona pellucida and the genetic material fuses with the nucleus of the ovum that has matured just on the right day? Cos it ain't a period. That is still a menstrual cycle that has occurred. Not all cycles result in ovulation either, nor is it only ever one ovum (hence non identical twins). I'm back my day job now. " And what does all that mean? It’s a slightly skewed explanation. I don’t get the point of what you are saying. Mean spirited rhetoric only serves to stifle the discussion. | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook. Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. Please do mansplain my job to me. The menstrual cycle is not all about periods. What do you think happens on that occasion where the little swimmy thing makes it through the mucus and the acidic environment and pierces the zona pellucida and the genetic material fuses with the nucleus of the ovum that has matured just on the right day? Cos it ain't a period. That is still a menstrual cycle that has occurred. Not all cycles result in ovulation either, nor is it only ever one ovum (hence non identical twins). I'm back my day job now. And what does all that mean? It’s a slightly skewed explanation. I don’t get the point of what you are saying. Mean spirited rhetoric only serves to stifle the discussion. " Maybe re-read it. She - someone who is qualified and working in the field - was explaining something about the topic you claim to know so much about. | |||
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"Someone above mentioned FSH and LH and oestrogen around the ovulation stuff. Males produce FSH and LH too, they stimulate spermatogenesis in the testes. Testes have the same biological origin as ovaries, the two are incredibly similar in structure and how the gametes form, actually. The structure isn't differentiated in foetuses until well after 20 weeks gestation. So, it's not beyond the realms of possibility that trans women experience some cyclical hormonal changes akin to those in the menstrual cycle. Whoever thinks they the menstrual cycle is just about periods needs to go and read a textbook. Pseudoscience. “Beyond the realms of possibility.” I cannot imagine what that means. Only women have periods. Men do not and cannot. Saying something, and getting some people to agree with you, does not make it true. Oh, by the way, I think you’ll find the menstrual cycle is entirely about periods. Please do mansplain my job to me. The menstrual cycle is not all about periods. What do you think happens on that occasion where the little swimmy thing makes it through the mucus and the acidic environment and pierces the zona pellucida and the genetic material fuses with the nucleus of the ovum that has matured just on the right day? Cos it ain't a period. That is still a menstrual cycle that has occurred. Not all cycles result in ovulation either, nor is it only ever one ovum (hence non identical twins). I'm back my day job now. And what does all that mean? It’s a slightly skewed explanation. I don’t get the point of what you are saying. Mean spirited rhetoric only serves to stifle the discussion. " Please read a biology book and all will become clear on the topic of the menstrual cycle. I assure you it is perfectly accurate science. Periods only happen if there is no swimmy spermy thing swarming around an ovulated ovum and no conception. Conception is one potential event during a menstrual cycle. Books are your friend here. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
J"I think I have some kind of responsibility to challenge some of the gaslighting that is going on. My children live in this world. | |||
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" Mean spirited rhetoric only serves to stifle the discussion. " Well said. Stop trying to stifle the discussion. J | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
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I think I have some kind of responsibility to challenge some of the gaslighting that is going on. My children live in this world. "Do you think that's achieving anything, or just annoying people who are trying to have a reasonable discussion about hormonal fluctuations? | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
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The derailing is annoying. It's not like we don't know that a subsection of the population feel this way, and believe they are correct.
Would people go into a thread on say, justifying swinging and Christianity and go off about the flying spaghetti monster or Allah coming to smite you all? (Actually, yes, they would, and I wish they'd stop too As a former Christian, I'd either swerve that topic or try to understand based on my own understanding)
Variations in hormones are interesting to a lot of us - and not just trans people. There are a lot of people, myself included (there's an F on my original birth certificate and I've had ovarian surgery twice, not that it fucking matters) who are interested in deviations from average hormonal activity, and the effect it has on our health. Some of us (myself included) are on medication or otherwise that might affect what would otherwise come without intervention.
But instead we're told that the entire discussion isn't real. Yes. We know what you believe. You don't have to tell us repeatedly. "“A subsection” Really? | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
J
The derailing is annoying. It's not like we don't know that a subsection of the population feel this way, and believe they are correct.
Would people go into a thread on say, justifying swinging and Christianity and go off about the flying spaghetti monster or Allah coming to smite you all? (Actually, yes, they would, and I wish they'd stop too As a former Christian, I'd either swerve that topic or try to understand based on my own understanding)
Variations in hormones are interesting to a lot of us - and not just trans people. There are a lot of people, myself included (there's an F on my original birth certificate and I've had ovarian surgery twice, not that it fucking matters) who are interested in deviations from average hormonal activity, and the effect it has on our health. Some of us (myself included) are on medication or otherwise that might affect what would otherwise come without intervention.
But instead we're told that the entire discussion isn't real. Yes. We know what you believe. You don't have to tell us repeatedly. "I have PCOS and my hormonal cycle/menstrual cycle is all over the place Abnormal cycles/hormone irregularities affect all women cis and trans | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
J
The derailing is annoying. It's not like we don't know that a subsection of the population feel this way, and believe they are correct.
Would people go into a thread on say, justifying swinging and Christianity and go off about the flying spaghetti monster or Allah coming to smite you all? (Actually, yes, they would, and I wish they'd stop too As a former Christian, I'd either swerve that topic or try to understand based on my own understanding)
Variations in hormones are interesting to a lot of us - and not just trans people. There are a lot of people, myself included (there's an F on my original birth certificate and I've had ovarian surgery twice, not that it fucking matters) who are interested in deviations from average hormonal activity, and the effect it has on our health. Some of us (myself included) are on medication or otherwise that might affect what would otherwise come without intervention.
But instead we're told that the entire discussion isn't real. Yes. We know what you believe. You don't have to tell us repeatedly.
I have PCOS and my hormonal cycle/menstrual cycle is all over the place
Abnormal cycles/hormone irregularities affect all women cis and trans"Absolutely. And so this is an issue where we can reflect, learn, share. I loved anti-androgens because they cleared up my skin, made me lose weight easier, thinned out my thick facial hair. But they come with liver damage long term, which is why the NHS pulled the plug. (In Australia I was just told that birth control was compulsory, because they do godawful things to male foetuses while you're on them. I was in my early 20s, I wasn't planning on a baby anyway, no big deal...) | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question " Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! | |||
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"Read some genuine cases of trans women squirting ketchup up their bum to imitate a period, if this helps?
Hilarious, but do tell me where you read this?? Off course you can't....
Was on Reddit, go take a look as can't post links. "I sat at a my sister’s wedding with my gay brother and his partner where their jokes entirely depended on rolling tissues and giggling about how they were on their periods. So ketchup does not seem that far fetched. Oh, and people do the oddest things. | |||
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"I have no answers but it's a really interesting question OP
Is it really, though? It’s about as interesting as asking whether pigs can fly.
Then why are you here replying to most of the comments?
J
The derailing is annoying. It's not like we don't know that a subsection of the population feel this way, and believe they are correct.
Would people go into a thread on say, justifying swinging and Christianity and go off about the flying spaghetti monster or Allah coming to smite you all? (Actually, yes, they would, and I wish they'd stop too As a former Christian, I'd either swerve that topic or try to understand based on my own understanding)
Variations in hormones are interesting to a lot of us - and not just trans people. There are a lot of people, myself included (there's an F on my original birth certificate and I've had ovarian surgery twice, not that it fucking matters) who are interested in deviations from average hormonal activity, and the effect it has on our health. Some of us (myself included) are on medication or otherwise that might affect what would otherwise come without intervention.
But instead we're told that the entire discussion isn't real. Yes. We know what you believe. You don't have to tell us repeatedly.
I have PCOS and my hormonal cycle/menstrual cycle is all over the place
Abnormal cycles/hormone irregularities affect all women cis and trans"Menstrual cycles? | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest!" Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive. | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive." Thank you x | |||
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"No. Hormonal cycles are not the only part to menstruation. As taken from the NHS website “A period is the part of the menstrual cycle when a woman bleeds from her vagina for a few days.” Keeping things factual, Trans women can have hormonal cycles and feel some symptoms of PMS or PMDD but will not have periods as there is no ovulation or shedding of the womb lining. " The main body of the OP clarifies "akin to a period cycle", which I've taken to refer to the hormonal changes that occur in the female menstrual cycle. I think it's obvious that transwomen cannot actually shed uterine lining or ovulate and I don't think that was what the question was supposed to be. I might be wrong about the OP. | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive." What is wrong with you all? | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive. What is wrong with you all?" If we were to ask you that same question, you would be offended. If you wouldn’t say it to yourself, why do you say it to others? May God still see the light in you and forgive you | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive. What is wrong with you all?" Well apparently you're "qualified" to tell is how our bodies work?  | |||
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" What is wrong with you all?" Okay, I’m going to ask nicely now. Please leave this thread. None of your inputs have been remotely helpful in terms of addressing the OP’s questions Yes you have a right to your views I’m not going to deny you that but you’re derailing this thread and taking it off topic. If you wish to continue this line of conversation, please start your own thread and see what response you get. And before you say this is stifling your view or some form of cancelling, it’s just general forum etiquette anywhere on the internet and against this site’s rule specifically. If you have valid input to answer OP’s question then fair play but please stop trying to derail this conversation | |||
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"No. Hormonal cycles are not the only part to menstruation. As taken from the NHS website “A period is the part of the menstrual cycle when a woman bleeds from her vagina for a few days.” Keeping things factual, Trans women can have hormonal cycles and feel some symptoms of PMS or PMDD but will not have periods as there is no ovulation or shedding of the womb lining. The main body of the OP clarifies "akin to a period cycle", which I've taken to refer to the hormonal changes that occur in the female menstrual cycle. I think it's obvious that transwomen cannot actually shed uterine lining or ovulate and I don't think that was what the question was supposed to be. I might be wrong about the OP. " I realised after I typed my text it was more concise than the original OP questions or I should’ve taken out the no but fab is shite and you can’t edit comments after posting them | |||
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" What is wrong with you all? Okay, I’m going to ask nicely now. Please leave this thread. None of your inputs have been remotely helpful in terms of addressing the OP’s questions Yes you have a right to your views I’m not going to deny you that but you’re derailing this thread and taking it off topic. If you wish to continue this line of conversation, please start your own thread and see what response you get. And before you say this is stifling your view or some form of cancelling, it’s just general forum etiquette anywhere on the internet and against this site’s rule specifically. If you have valid input to answer OP’s question then fair play but please stop trying to derail this conversation " Just ignore | |||
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"So, to possibly kick a healthy debate off from those in the know. Do Trans women experience periods? Obviously I'm assuming not in the mainstream biological sense, but do you experience akin to a period cycle whilst undergoing hormone replacement? I would genuinely be interested to gain some facts. No biological argument behind the question Yeah, they do. I have been on HRT for a long time now. When I first started on hormones I used times where I was very emotional. My female boss pointed out that it could be that. Myself and others that I know track it on an app so we know when we might be a bit off kilter. I also used to get a bad back and thought I had buggered up my kidneys but that seems to have eased off now. It wasn't something that I had expected to be honest! Yeah, hormones can really mess with your emotions like that. I'm glad your boss was supportive. What is wrong with you all?" Empathy for another person's hormonal fluctuations? Is that a problem now? | |||
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"Here’s one to twist your noodle… Some guys get sympathy pains for somebody, trans or not. Empathy is not menstruation. " And empathy is not sympathy but there we go..... I'm off to play with some ketchup Mr | |||
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"No. Hormonal cycles are not the only part to menstruation. As taken from the NHS website “A period is the part of the menstrual cycle when a woman bleeds from her vagina for a few days.” Keeping things factual, Trans women can have hormonal cycles and feel some symptoms of PMS or PMDD but will not have periods as there is no ovulation or shedding of the womb lining. The main body of the OP clarifies "akin to a period cycle", which I've taken to refer to the hormonal changes that occur in the female menstrual cycle. I think it's obvious that transwomen cannot actually shed uterine lining or ovulate and I don't think that was what the question was supposed to be. I might be wrong about the OP. I realised after I typed my text it was more concise than the original OP questions or I should’ve taken out the no but fab is shite and you can’t edit comments after posting them "Tis reet. And yes, the lack of editing facility is pants! | |||
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I am not a troll. My gender critical views are protected by law. "I did see this post yesterday and although I did think it was a bit interesting I didn’t follow it thoroughly m; I kept seeing it pop up with new comments but again, not something I’d really discuss at length as it isn’t really relevant to me. I was told by another member privately however that the fruity flatulence of “old guard” rethoric were being wafted with undue confidence around on this topic. I’m both surprised and disappointed at the amount of ignorance and intolerance displayed here. Any number of sexual acts discussed on this website at some point have had repressed and narrow minded people campaigning for them to be denied, for no reason other than a loose moral objective. Morality ebbs and flows constantly, it’s a gossamer thin baseline for social standards as most concepts are. The world can seem a scary place as you age and you become less relevant socially. Society is shaped and developed by youth, the older we get the less we create and the more we consume. We approach the sun setting on our lives and gradually lose touch as our other priorities become more important than maintaining a finger on the pulse of emerging culture. This can be unsettling but like death itself, it’s inevitable. That does not give anyone the right to try and turn the clock back and stop social progress, especially against a group that have internally wrestled with their biology not matching their gender. If they get the strength and courage to explore it or take ownership of it…..only for the old guard to turn Top Gear off for a moment and decide to put a stop to it…what kind of catastrophic effect do you think that could have? Can you imagine being at odds with your entire body? For the record, I don’t mean the damage that steak bakes, moody sniff and Carling have done to it. Feeble armchair psychology and laughable virtue signalling aside; what does success look like to you? How likely are your interventions to achieve that success? Because you’d better hurry up; historically, conservative values on gender and sexuality have always been drowned out by louder and more progressive voices because progress is (and always will be) inevitable. Your blinkered nonsense is just the death rattle of a world being left behind, whether you like it or not. Do better and let people be at peace. | |||
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"Don't feed the trolls
I am not a troll. My gender critical views are protected by law.
I did see this post yesterday and although I did think it was a bit interesting I didn’t follow it thoroughly m; I kept seeing it pop up with new comments but again, not something I’d really discuss at length as it isn’t really relevant to me.
I was told by another member privately however that the fruity flatulence of “old guard” rethoric were being wafted with undue confidence around on this topic.
I’m both surprised and disappointed at the amount of ignorance and intolerance displayed here. Any number of sexual acts discussed on this website at some point have had repressed and narrow minded people campaigning for them to be denied, for no reason other than a loose moral objective. Morality ebbs and flows constantly, it’s a gossamer thin baseline for social standards as most concepts are.
The world can seem a scary place as you age and you become less relevant socially. Society is shaped and developed by youth, the older we get the less we create and the more we consume. We approach the sun setting on our lives and gradually lose touch as our other priorities become more important than maintaining a finger on the pulse of emerging culture. This can be unsettling but like death itself, it’s inevitable.
That does not give anyone the right to try and turn the clock back and stop social progress, especially against a group that have internally wrestled with their biology not matching their gender. If they get the strength and courage to explore it or take ownership of it…..only for the old guard to turn Top Gear off for a moment and decide to put a stop to it…what kind of catastrophic effect do you think that could have? Can you imagine being at odds with your entire body? For the record, I don’t mean the damage that steak bakes, moody sniff and Carling have done to it.
Feeble armchair psychology and laughable virtue signalling aside; what does success look like to you? How likely are your interventions to achieve that success?
Because you’d better hurry up; historically, conservative values on gender and sexuality have always been drowned out by louder and more progressive voices because progress is (and always will be) inevitable.
Your blinkered nonsense is just the death rattle of a world being left behind, whether you like it or not.
Do better and let people be at peace. "Absolutely adore this. Couldn’t have said it any better | |||
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" What is wrong with you all? Okay, I’m going to ask nicely now. Please leave this thread. None of your inputs have been remotely helpful in terms of addressing the OP’s questions Yes you have a right to your views I’m not going to deny you that but you’re derailing this thread and taking it off topic. If you wish to continue this line of conversation, please start your own thread and see what response you get. And before you say this is stifling your view or some form of cancelling, it’s just general forum etiquette anywhere on the internet and against this site’s rule specifically. If you have valid input to answer OP’s question then fair play but please stop trying to derail this conversation " Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. | |||
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"Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you." A rather predictable response. Having the right to do something does not make it okay to do something and at what point did I say you couldn’t say it? I was asking the person not to say it fete where it adds nothing to the original context of the op’s question. If I starting spouting off about how much I disagreed with a certain political aspect on a topic about cakes, sure I’d have the freedom of speech to say that, but it would still be a dick love. Go start you own thread about what you want to talk about and don’t detail others. That’s basic decency | |||
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" Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. Your right to free speech is neither applicable on a private forum nor is it at risk on one. " Where are these rules? | |||
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"Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. A rather predictable response. Having the right to do something does not make it okay to do something and at what point did I say you couldn’t say it? I was asking the person not to say it fete where it adds nothing to the original context of the op’s question. If I starting spouting off about how much I disagreed with a certain political aspect on a topic about cakes, sure I’d have the freedom of speech to say that, but it would still be a dick love. Go start you own thread about what you want to talk about and don’t detail others. That’s basic decency " It's the posters opinion, it's valid to them. | |||
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" Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. Your right to free speech is neither applicable on a private forum nor is it at risk on one. Where are these rules? " You brought up Free Speech, are you now asking me to confirm what it means to you? I can sense a persecution fetish stirring so let’s not go down that route or you might get dangerously close to knowing what it’s like to be surrounded by people telling you you’re not valid. | |||
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" Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. Your right to free speech is neither applicable on a private forum nor is it at risk on one. Where are these rules? You brought up Free Speech, are you now asking me to confirm what it means to you? I can sense a persecution fetish stirring so let’s not go down that route or you might get dangerously close to knowing what it’s like to be surrounded by people telling you you’re not valid. " I love how people who are the first to claim that their free speech is being negated never seem to appreciate the irony that my free speech allows me to tell them to shut the fuck up | |||
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" Free Speech is free for all opinions & not just the ones you agree with. How arrogant are you. Your right to free speech is neither applicable on a private forum nor is it at risk on one. Where are these rules? You brought up Free Speech, are you now asking me to confirm what it means to you? I can sense a persecution fetish stirring so let’s not go down that route or you might get dangerously close to knowing what it’s like to be surrounded by people telling you you’re not valid. I love how people who are the first to claim that their free speech is being negated never seem to appreciate the irony that my free speech allows me to tell them to shut the fuck up "Ooh I sense a budding fab romance here...beautiful to watch, ill tell the missus to buy a hat Mr | |||
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"No, trans women don't experience periods. They experience side-effects. What they choose to call these side-effects is entirely up to them." The only reply on here that actually makes sense  | |||
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"No, trans women don't experience periods. They experience side-effects. What they choose to call these side-effects is entirely up to them. The only reply on here that actually makes sense "I’m not debating the sentiment but the language. “Trans women don’t experience periods” and yet “what they choose to call these side effects is up to them”. I’m not saying that I do think this, but stick with me here, so if I choose to call them a period, that’s up to me? I’m glad we agree 
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