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"Circumcised dick? Or Au naturel? I vote circumcised... and yeah, I'm part Jewish but that has nothing to do with it."  | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " Cutting off a perfectly healthy body part is barbaric and unnecessary. There's nothing racist or sexist about that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I also don't defend piercing babies' ears. | |||
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 But in my vast experience of peni, cut ones are clearly easier to keep fresh. | |||
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"All I have to offer is a packet of crisps, sorry x" An empty packet of crisps, I already ate the contents when I was viewing the house in Germany or was it Belgium, or Luxembourg, or Ireland) with the attractive estate agent (she was fabulous).  | |||
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" Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. " I totally agree! Unless it is medically required, then it is a cosmetic surgery & should only be performed on consenting adults. Cal | |||
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"I hope I don’t get judged but I’m cut as your see from my pictures, makes my helmet very mushroom like lol "Uh oh, mushroom comparison is not good, makes me think of Stormy Daniels (let's just dwell on that thought...) description of Donald Trump (oh, feel sick and unclean now - ruined my earlier daydream)  | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet!" Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation" Same here | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. " I absolutely refused to have my son cut. His father was because at that time in the USA most kids were regardless of religious affiliation. So he didn't want his son to look different from other boys in the shower. Lucky that's not true for the UK these days. It's not the same as for girls. That is mutilation that affects their sex life forever. | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " Well said | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. Cutting off a perfectly healthy body part is barbaric and unnecessary. There's nothing racist or sexist about that. If it ain't broke, don't fix it. So a briss is "barbaric"? Guess you don't have too many Jewish buddies. Or North American ones. And I got my ears pierced as a baby and glad of it. When I tried to get my daughter's done, I was refused. Total racist xenophobic garbage. I also don't defend piercing babies' ears. " | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here " It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 " If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? | |||
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"Circumcised dick? Or Au naturel? I vote circumcised... and yeah, I'm part Jewish but that has nothing to do with it." Same | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? " Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. | |||
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"I always had a long foreskin. But as I got older it got tighter and tighter. Diabetes did not help. The foreskin started to scar. Do I had the curcumcision. My wife thinks it looks a lot better than previously and prefers it. There are pics of both cut and uncut on my profile " Looks much better | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. " Medical necessity is different from a choice made by parents at birth just 'because'. Surely the difference is obvious? Two thousand years ago there were no taps in houses supplying mains water. Hygiene standards were significantly different. People are perfectly capable of maintaining hygiene without surgery now. There's no reason now bar a specific medical need. Babies can't consent. And before anyone starts quoting stats on a potential reduction in penile cancer, imagine if the removal of other body parts was advocated in a similar way?
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. " I think you have very narrow view of what mutilation is and strange view of what racism is. Definition of mutilate from Google: inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on. If you cut off a healthy body part, including the foreskin, you are disfiguring that part of the body. Its natural state is to have it. Chopping it off because of some cultural reason disfigured it. Slicing off a body part from a defenceless baby is a violent action. If I chopped off your ear, are you seriously telling me that wouldn't be mutilating you because it's not essential? I have not made any exceptions in my criticism by race at all. I have universally condemned it regardless of who does it. I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm well aware it is routine in America and Canada. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it any less mutilation. | |||
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"Well im about to go from uncut to cut so this is interesting reading. " I was done last October and my erect dick looked similar in your picture. I could've probably made do as it was but about one on four times of having sex it'd give me issues which would result in loss of sensation and erection. Wish I'd got it done years ago but I'd still have my foreskin if it didn't give me issues. If you want any advice or feedback about my experience then you are free to inbox me. | |||
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"I always had a long foreskin. But as I got older it got tighter and tighter. Diabetes did not help. The foreskin started to scar. Do I had the curcumcision. My wife thinks it looks a lot better than previously and prefers it. There are pics of both cut and uncut on my profile " Looks great and mine was getting tighter as I aged. How long ago were you cut as you have some great flaring going on with your helmet | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. Medical necessity is different from a choice made by parents at birth just 'because'. Surely the difference is obvious? Two thousand years ago there were no taps in houses supplying mains water. Hygiene standards were significantly different. People are perfectly capable of maintaining hygiene without surgery now. There's no reason now bar a specific medical need. Babies can't consent. Yeah but when my mother took me toma GP, he used a proper needle, not one of those Claire's hole-puncher things. Piercing is best done with a professional with a needle. I had my left nostril done by a professional piercer using a surgical steel ring with niobium bead. Hygiene is important and many parents of Mediterranean countries and far east pierce their baby girls. This is a far more hygienic solution to the dimwit at Claire's using hole punchers. And before anyone starts quoting stats on a potential reduction in penile cancer, imagine if the removal of other body parts was advocated in a similar way?
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. I think you have very narrow view of what mutilation is and strange view of what racism is. Definition of mutilate from Google: inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on. If you cut off a healthy body part, including the foreskin, you are disfiguring that part of the body. Its natural state is to have it. Chopping it off because of some cultural reason disfigured it. Slicing off a body part from a defenceless baby is a violent action. If I chopped off your ear, are you seriously telling me that wouldn't be mutilating you because it's not essential? I have not made any exceptions in my criticism by race at all. I have universally condemned it regardless of who does it. I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm well aware it is routine in America and Canada. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it any less mutilation. " I'm guessing you're also about natural births and not cutting the placenta because the child can't decide. | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. I think you have very narrow view of what mutilation is and strange view of what racism is. Definition of mutilate from Google: inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on. If you cut off a healthy body part, including the foreskin, you are disfiguring that part of the body. Its natural state is to have it. Chopping it off because of some cultural reason disfigured it. Slicing off a body part from a defenceless baby is a violent action. If I chopped off your ear, are you seriously telling me that wouldn't be mutilating you because it's not essential? I have not made any exceptions in my criticism by race at all. I have universally condemned it regardless of who does it. I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm well aware it is routine in America and Canada. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it any less mutilation. I'm guessing you're also about natural births and not cutting the placenta because the child can't decide." What utterly ridiculous points pro-circ people come up with. Your comment smacks of desperation because you can't come up with a sensible defence of mutilating babies. I'm just against cutting perfectly healthy body parts off defenceless babies. Who'd have thought that such a position would be so controversial? | |||
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"Mr is uncut but l like it pulled back foreskin does give different options for playing with his cock for his cages I wish he was without foreskin to enable better access in sessions " totally agree. . | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. " I'm hanging on to my foreskin as I'm a big fan. Why fix what isn't broken? Love then on other guys too always a treat when I pull it back to expose a nice big head too suck.  | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " If an adult chooses to be circumsized or for medical reasons then it's all good. But don't blame uncut people for bad hygiene as dirty people just don't wash properly anywhere. | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. I think you have very narrow view of what mutilation is and strange view of what racism is. Definition of mutilate from Google: inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on. If you cut off a healthy body part, including the foreskin, you are disfiguring that part of the body. Its natural state is to have it. Chopping it off because of some cultural reason disfigured it. Slicing off a body part from a defenceless baby is a violent action. If I chopped off your ear, are you seriously telling me that wouldn't be mutilating you because it's not essential? I have not made any exceptions in my criticism by race at all. I have universally condemned it regardless of who does it. I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm well aware it is routine in America and Canada. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it any less mutilation. I'm guessing you're also about natural births and not cutting the placenta because the child can't decide. What utterly ridiculous points pro-circ people come up with. Your comment smacks of desperation because you can't come up with a sensible defence of mutilating babies. I'm just against cutting perfectly healthy body parts off defenceless babies. Who'd have thought that such a position would be so controversial? " These Fascist "your points are invalid because they don't fit my narrative" Antisemitism coming from someone who claims to be from a "royal race" . You can't be any more obvious than if you were marching along whilst wearing a tiny tash and doing a salut.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of a snip here and there. We do it to hair, we do it to nails, we do it to placenta. I bet you're all antivax too because "why vaccinate someone who's healthy?" | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. I think you have very narrow view of what mutilation is and strange view of what racism is. Definition of mutilate from Google: inflict a violent and disfiguring injury on. If you cut off a healthy body part, including the foreskin, you are disfiguring that part of the body. Its natural state is to have it. Chopping it off because of some cultural reason disfigured it. Slicing off a body part from a defenceless baby is a violent action. If I chopped off your ear, are you seriously telling me that wouldn't be mutilating you because it's not essential? I have not made any exceptions in my criticism by race at all. I have universally condemned it regardless of who does it. I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. I'm well aware it is routine in America and Canada. That doesn't make it right and it doesn't make it any less mutilation. I'm guessing you're also about natural births and not cutting the placenta because the child can't decide. What utterly ridiculous points pro-circ people come up with. Your comment smacks of desperation because you can't come up with a sensible defence of mutilating babies. I'm just against cutting perfectly healthy body parts off defenceless babies. Who'd have thought that such a position would be so controversial? These Fascist "your points are invalid because they don't fit my narrative" Antisemitism coming from someone who claims to be from a "royal race" . You can't be any more obvious than if you were marching along whilst wearing a tiny tash and doing a salut.
There's nothing wrong with a bit of a snip here and there. We do it to hair, we do it to nails, we do it to placenta. I bet you're all antivax too because "why vaccinate someone who's healthy?""I didn't say anything about a "royal race". You are clearly incapable of understanding things you read. If your hair is cut, do you bleed? Does it sever nerve endings and cause irreparable changes to your body? Try coming up with something that's actually comparable. You're just showing the desperation in trying to defend chopping off body parts of babies. It's not antisemitic to say nobody should do that without proper medical need. I am not anti vax. Your entire argument is complete nonsense. | |||
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"I have criticised people of my own race (the royals), but, as you say, you don't care, I guess because it doesn't fit your narrative. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If your hair is cut, do you bleed? Does it sever nerve endings and cause irreparable changes to your body? Try coming up with something that's actually comparable. You're just showing the desperation in trying to defend chopping off body parts of babies. It's not antisemitic to say nobody should do that without proper medical need. I am not anti vax. Your entire argument is complete nonsense. " You're not anti-vax? So what you're saying is that you agree with damaging acts like puncturing a baby's flawless skin and injecting a defenceless newborn with a disease that will definitely cause them to be ill, causing changes in its body, when they would otherwise have been a healthy baby? ... *Shrugs* ...ok. I don't understand your inconsistency tbh. I noticed you ignored the placenta bit as well. Are you against natural "lotus births"? Are you someone who is happy to slice up and sever the umbilical link between a mother and her newborn, then clamp it up at either end because it's more convenient that a tiny bit of it remains on the baby and eventually falls off? I mean we could argue that the above is done by a doctor, so it's a medical procedure. All circumcisions in the UK are carried out by practicing doctors and so are medical procedures too. I'm guessing you're happy about that. | |||
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"Cut here, and I love it. I have a very lickable helmet! Mine was medical when I was a kid. Not into cosmetic genital mutilation Same here It's NOT genital mutilation! Read a book or something... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_milah?wprov=sfla1 If a body part doesn't need cutting off and you decide to cut it off anyway then that is the very essence of mutilation. I'm sorry if you don't like that. It would be the same if I cut off a baby's finger, toes, earlobes or anything else. It's mutilation. I'm sorry that your culture has dulled you to that fact. This is not racist. I don't care who does it. The royals - white and privileged as they are - used to do it. It's mutilation. Is that being racist if I say the Royal family shouldn't do it? Yes it is racist AND antisemitic. I don't know or care about the royals but over in Canada and the US it was routine. Mutilation by definition is cutting off an essential part of the body. Foreskin are NOT essential. On many cases, circumcision is medically beneficial. " Shouting racism means you've no answer. There is no reason to cut parts of a child's body off because of a fairy tale. It is wrong. | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with a bit of a snip here and there. We do it to hair, we do it to nails, we do it to placenta. I bet you're all antivax too because "why vaccinate someone who's healthy?" Absolute room temperature IQ take I'll be invoking Godwin's Law soon. You're not chipping in with anything reasonable Joe?" Ironic you talk about invoking Godwin's law when literally no-one mentioned it but ok... are there pain receptors in your nails and hair when it's cut? No, and vaccinations are for preventing diseases and not in anyway similar to cutting off part of what is a healthy child. But hey, if you're all for mutilating children then I can't change your mind. | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with a bit of a snip here and there. We do it to hair, we do it to nails, we do it to placenta. I bet you're all antivax too because "why vaccinate someone who's healthy?" Absolute room temperature IQ take I'll be invoking Godwin's Law soon. You're not chipping in with anything reasonable Joe? Ironic you talk about invoking Godwin's law when literally no-one mentioned it but ok... are there pain receptors in your nails and hair when it's cut? No, and vaccinations are for preventing diseases and not in anyway similar to cutting off part of what is a healthy child. But hey, if you're all for mutilating children then I can't change your mind." Vaccinations don't prevent disease, they reduce the risks. Circumcisions reduce the risk of penile cancer, STDs, HIV infection and UTIs. Over to you. | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " | |||
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"There's nothing wrong with a bit of a snip here and there. We do it to hair, we do it to nails, we do it to placenta. I bet you're all antivax too because "why vaccinate someone who's healthy?" Absolute room temperature IQ take I'll be invoking Godwin's Law soon. You're not chipping in with anything reasonable Joe? Ironic you talk about invoking Godwin's law when literally no-one mentioned it but ok... are there pain receptors in your nails and hair when it's cut? No, and vaccinations are for preventing diseases and not in anyway similar to cutting off part of what is a healthy child. But hey, if you're all for mutilating children then I can't change your mind. Vaccinations don't prevent disease, they reduce the risks. Circumcisions reduce the risk of penile cancer, STDs, HIV infection and UTIs. Over to you. "Penile cancer is very rare. Breast cancer is vastly more common. Does that mean we should remove the breast buds from baby girls? That would save a lot more lives. But I imagine that you would see that as immoral, but you haven't been desensitised to that. America has the highest rate of HIV infection in the industrialised world but also the highest rate of circumcision. What does that tell you about its effectiveness? The studies that concluded circumcision reduces HIV infection have been lambasted by some scientists for being unethical and badly conducted. Condoms are a more reliable way of reducing STDs and they don't require slicing of a healthy body part from a defenceless baby. There is very little evidence that circumcision prevents UTIs. Studies have been flawed. There is also evidence that it helps protect against them. The American obsession with circumcision started in the 19th century as a cure for masturbation. Since then it has been touted as a cure for cancer and now it's HIV. All of these claims have been disputed. It's been a cure in search of an illness for a long time. | |||
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"Vaccinations don't prevent disease, they reduce the risks. Circumcisions reduce the risk of penile cancer, STDs, HIV infection and UTIs. Over to you. "I'm not going to argue the merits of that as I can't source studies that that either support or deny that so I'm not going to make a sweeping statement like saying a foreskin is anything like hair and nails | |||
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"I prefer cut. I've had uncut, but now I wouldn't choose uncut in this lifestyle." You look very lovely. I'm circumcised by choice as an adult and looking for a lady who wants to meet a guy like me. | |||
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"Oh dear lord, so now it's all a conspiracy theory by Americans to combat masturbation? Bury your heads in the sand all you want, the research is there and, at least in the case of HIV is statistically important enough to warrant mention by all the leading medica as a positive. UTIs HPVs etc - all statistically relevant results where circumcision has been a positive step. Now that's not advocating it's the best, but denying it's statistical relevance is dumb. And yes, breasts are removed in case of cancer... Don't see what you're getting at. Breasts are also removed where familial risks of cancer are expected. Desensitisation is awesome, I last longer, I have harder erections, it looks prettier. It's a no brainer and a win win win, unless you love your smegma and cottage cheese scented helmet. Can't deny that some do *shrugs*." I think that last paragraph pretty much negates anything you have to say because it's fuelled by pure ego and a need to feel better than others. | |||
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"Oh dear lord, so now it's all a conspiracy theory by Americans to combat masturbation? Bury your heads in the sand all you want, the research is there and, at least in the case of HIV is statistically important enough to warrant mention by all the leading medica as a positive. UTIs HPVs etc - all statistically relevant results where circumcision has been a positive step. Now that's not advocating it's the best, but denying it's statistical relevance is dumb. And yes, breasts are removed in case of cancer... Don't see what you're getting at. Breasts are also removed where familial risks of cancer are expected. Desensitisation is awesome, I last longer, I have harder erections, it looks prettier. It's a no brainer and a win win win, unless you love your smegma and cottage cheese scented helmet. Can't deny that some do *shrugs*." Explain to me how America has such a high rate if HIV when they also have such a high rate of circumcision. It doesn't seem to be working too well for the, does it? If it was so effective you would expect tgeir rates to be amongst the lowest but it is amongst the highest. It's almost as if it doesn't have the claimed effects, just like the critics of the research say. The history of circumcision being used as a cure for masturbation is well documented. There are articles from the time about it. There's no conspiracy there. | |||
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"The coping is real! Fancy being a little less cryptic there, buddy? The overly defensive and offended positioning on display" From which side? If you're going to have an opinion, at least say it with a bit of conviction instead of alluding to comments without actually saying anything. | |||
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"All I have to offer is a packet of crisps, sorry x Oohh what flavour??? "Cheese and Smeg.. | |||
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"The coping is real! Fancy being a little less cryptic there, buddy? The overly defensive and offended positioning on display From which side? If you're going to have an opinion, at least say it with a bit of conviction instead of alluding to comments without actually saying anything." The cut camp. But also since pushed just to tag it on, the hilarity that (some!) women love to drop an opinion on mens body topics but would also be the first to flay (see what I did there) a man if they so much as hinted at a thought of an opinion on women's body topics. | |||
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Conspiracy theory indeed. There's a hundred and sixty pages to read there if you're interested. But I'm guessing you believe you know better than the World Health Organisation, and that your research and theories are totally inconclusive. | |||
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"The coping is real! Fancy being a little less cryptic there, buddy? The overly defensive and offended positioning on display From which side? If you're going to have an opinion, at least say it with a bit of conviction instead of alluding to comments without actually saying anything. The cut camp. But also since pushed just to tag it on, the hilarity that (some!) women love to drop an opinion on mens body topics but would also be the first to flay (see what I did there) a man if they so much as hinted at a thought of an opinion on women's body topics. " That last point is actually very interesting. It's nice to see a majority of women don't care one way or the other but I hate the idea of men trying to use it get one up on each other. It's just sad. | |||
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"That last point is actually very interesting. It's nice to see a majority of women don't care one way or the other but I hate the idea of men trying to use it get one up on each other. It's just sad. I thought this was about the kids? ""Desensitisation is awesome, I last longer, I have harder erections, it looks prettier. It's a no brainer and a win win win, unless you love your smegma and cottage cheese scented helmet. Can't deny that some do *shrugs*." This doesn't prove my point? | |||
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"Definitely prefer uncut, cut makes me cringe a little cos I think I'mma hurt it P" Unless you bit it it doesn’t hurt lol | |||
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"There are some inaccuracies in this thread with relation to circumcision. 1) There is, and I quote from local council safeguarding literature "no requirement in law for professionals undertaking male circumcision to be medically trained or to have proven expertise. Traditionally, religious leaders or respected elders may conduct this practice." Therefore, whoever stated earlier that in the UK, all circumcisions are carried out by doctors, is incorrect. 2) Circumcision of males is only legal in the UK under the following circumstances: "it is performed competently, in a suitable environment that reduces the risk of infection, cross-infection and contamination it is believed to be in the child’s best interests there is valid consent from the family/parent and the child, if Fraser competent." 3) There are plenty of episodes of overt, obvious irreversible harm that occurs in the UK, to male children who are circumcised, up to and including death. "up to three children a month are admitted to the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital because of bleeding after home-based circumcisions." Babies die every year in my UK after botched non-medically necessary circumcisions: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-20503660 And circumcisions carried out by doctors for non-medical (so cultural or religious reasons) may also result in harm. There are a number of doctors in the UK who have been disciplined in recent years due to botched circumcision of male children. 4) Many non-medical circumcisions are carried out without pain relief or anesthesia, including here in the UK. I have no issues with medically necessary male circumcision. However, it is almost never medically necessary to circumcise a child and because some of the potential harms of circumcision might not be apparent until adulthood and full development of the penis happens, we should be very cautious in jumping to circumcision before exploring alternative options. I do not agree with circumcision for non medical reasons, irrespective of which culture or religion it is performed within. There are several cultural and religious groups where male circumcision is common, it is not confined to one group or another and it is not solely religious. Irrespective, I do not agree with it. I firmly believe that if there is a god, they would not create humankind only for it to be necessary to remove a piece at some point after birth. Removing a piece after birth because it's medically necessary is quite different. We amputate unhealthy body parts very often, unfortunately. That is acceptable. " You feel strongly about this lol how long did that take to write | |||
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"Nearly a decade ago, someone dear and near to me, suggested I watch a medical documentary film titled, "Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital". It’s tremendously informative, and difficult to watch without being emotionally moved. If you’re on the fence or cannot understand why such a fuss is made about circumcisions that aren’t medically compulsory I recommend this film. Most people can see female genital mutilation as barbaric, but I’ll never understand how some cannot see male genital mutilation (in cases where circumcision not medically compulsory) as equally barbaric. " It because if it’s not medical they have been brain washed into thinking it’s ok ? Don’t know why you’d want it if it wasn’t a necessity | |||
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"Nothing worse than a mutilated dick" How about a tattooed one? Isn't tattooing another form of mutilation? | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. " I agree. Just a pity about the foreskin being so badly designed that it has to be cut away. | |||
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"Prefer uncut... Hate wanking a cut cock " If God had wanted people to wank, his devotees wouldn't have encouraged circumcision! | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. I agree. Just a pity about the foreskin being so badly designed that it has to be cut away. " I wouldn't call 'piss flaps' a particularly good piece of design either and can understand why some cultures prefer to trim them at an early age before memory of pain (apparently) sets in. The clitoris, however is of an equisite design and its mutilation should quite rightly be treated as criminal. My maternal cousins were all circumsized in infancy and I never heard them saying it hurt but I've heard plenty of later in life circumcisees telling a different tale but nevertheless being pleased overall with the outcome and therefore worth the pain. | |||
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"Nearly a decade ago, someone dear and near to me, suggested I watch a medical documentary film titled, "Child Circumcision: An Elephant in the Hospital". It’s tremendously informative, and difficult to watch without being emotionally moved. If you’re on the fence or cannot understand why such a fuss is made about circumcisions that aren’t medically compulsory I recommend this film. Most people can see female genital mutilation as barbaric, but I’ll never understand how some cannot see male genital mutilation (in cases where circumcision not medically compulsory) as equally barbaric. " I mean Ryan comes across as informed there giving a talk that sounds befitting of TED, he has the PhD, and appears to sound like a "clinician". He is disingenuous though. Ultimately he's a Physicist, an ethicist (nothing wrong being that way), author of "it's not just skin" and has absolutely no background in the medical https://physics.georgetown.edu/ryan-mcallister/ His last research in the topic of HIV infection and circumcisions was published in 2010 where he seemingly tried to debunk any links to the research, and is unfortunately still quoted by the misinformed. It's not even linked to anymore. He mentions none of the positives and that should be cause for concern. The penile "sensitivity" heatmap was a rather strange one for example. That said, a lot of what he mentions is relevant. And it's thanks to that "movement" that caused areas of research including the collection of data to be much more rigorous. That's great news for everyone. WHO guidance is more recent and the evidence more substantial, statistical and relevant now. I'm gonna say that, unless the organisation retracts its guidance (and there's no doubt it can) then let's appeal to reason. That there's undoubtedly a positive link between the historic prevalence and infections. | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. I agree. Just a pity about the foreskin being so badly designed that it has to be cut away. I wouldn't call 'piss flaps' a particularly good piece of design either and can understand why some cultures prefer to trim them at an early age before memory of pain (apparently) sets in. The clitoris, however is of an equisite design and its mutilation should quite rightly be treated as criminal. My maternal cousins were all circumsized in infancy and I never heard them saying it hurt but I've heard plenty of later in life circumcisees telling a different tale but nevertheless being pleased overall with the outcome and therefore worth the pain." By the term "piss flaps", are you referring to the female labia? If so, am I reading correctly that you "can understand why some cultures prefer to trim them at an early age before memory of pain (apparently) sets in"? You are, if I've understood correctly, condoning female genital mutilation. Which is illegal. And abhorrent. And totally unnecessary. And when do we have "memory of pain", out of interest?!?! | |||
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" ... You are, if I've understood correctly, condoning female genital mutilation. Which is illegal. And abhorrent. And totally unnecessary. And when do we have "memory of pain", out of interest?!?!" I am talking about labiaplasty. I am happy to be advised on the legality of that. There is a world of difference between that and lumping similar surgery together with cliteridectomy for religious, cultural or sexist reasons. Labiaplasty appears to be sought by many women who would prefer smooth labia to abnormally distended ones. The ethics, understandably, centre around issues of choice and consent and at what stage does surgery become mutilation. I mention memory of pain because that would appear to be the main reason for carrying out circumcision in infancy. I didn't keep a record of when I first remember having pain but with the hindsight engendered by this subject, perhaps I should have done. | |||
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" ... You are, if I've understood correctly, condoning female genital mutilation. Which is illegal. And abhorrent. And totally unnecessary. And when do we have "memory of pain", out of interest?!?! I am talking about labiaplasty. I am happy to be advised on the legality of that. There is a world of difference between that and lumping similar surgery together with cliteridectomy for religious, cultural or sexist reasons. Labiaplasty appears to be sought by many women who would prefer smooth labia to abnormally distended ones. The ethics, understandably, centre around issues of choice and consent and at what stage does surgery become mutilation. I mention memory of pain because that would appear to be the main reason for carrying out circumcision in infancy. I didn't keep a record of when I first remember having pain but with the hindsight engendered by this subject, perhaps I should have done." Large labia isn't "abnormal" | |||
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" ... You are, if I've understood correctly, condoning female genital mutilation. Which is illegal. And abhorrent. And totally unnecessary. And when do we have "memory of pain", out of interest?!?! I am talking about labiaplasty. I am happy to be advised on the legality of that. There is a world of difference between that and lumping similar surgery together with cliteridectomy for religious, cultural or sexist reasons. Labiaplasty appears to be sought by many women who would prefer smooth labia to abnormally distended ones. The ethics, understandably, centre around issues of choice and consent and at what stage does surgery become mutilation. I mention memory of pain because that would appear to be the main reason for carrying out circumcision in infancy. I didn't keep a record of when I first remember having pain but with the hindsight engendered by this subject, perhaps I should have done." Labiaplasty is not performed on children. If a grown woman makes an informed choice to alter her anatomy, via a safe surgical method (rather than having it chopped with a piece of rusty metal whilst being held down by the local people), then she is entitled to do that. Labiaplasty is, in my opinion, usually a completely unnecessary procedure and usually for perceived cosmetic reasons (relating to unrealistic expectations of what women's genitals should look like). And finally, there is memory of pain at all stages of life. Children become traumatised by events and actions from the very start of their lives even in-utero. | |||
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" My maternal cousins were all circumsized in infancy and I never heard them saying it hurt but I've heard plenty of later in life circumcisees telling a different tale but nevertheless being pleased overall with the outcome and therefore worth the pain." I was done last year and once the initial injection went in I didn't feel a thing. Had worse times at the dentist. Afterwards night erections were a it annoying as it pulled on in the stitches but was defo bearable. Wouldn't suggest anyone gets done until they are sexualy active and knows it doesn't work properly. | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " It's often performed by the highest ranking female in the family so nothing to so with hating women. Not that it matters because the practice is barbaric and yes circumcision of males is not the same but still in my opinion should only be allowed for medical reasons. There is no need in todays society to be cutting bits off children in the name of religion. | |||
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"But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation?" Yes, and it’s an absolutely disgusting practice. That’s why any reputable won’t do it. | |||
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"Cut "A lady of taste who likes to flirt. | |||
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"I prefer to be as nature intended. Heard all the BS 'health arguments' but it all comes down to cultural/religious bullshit, hence it's not standard in the UK and is elsewhere. Shame mutilation of boys isn't viewed the same was as it is for girls. " Precisely. No reason for it at all . Certainly not for cleanliness in countries that are not generally hot. It decreases sensitivity and its just a bit weird for me. | |||
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"Can we leave the racist/sexist comments about comparing male circumcision with torture or genital mutilation - female genital mutilation is barbaric and performed by African witch Doctor types who want to hurt women. It's NOT coparable to getting a circumcision at a hospital after birth or during a Briss. It's a tiny bit of foreskin, done at the hospital and it keeps cocks nice and clean. I've lost count how many uncut guys "forget" to clean under the foreskin. Yes, it used to be the norm for North Americans... hence my preference. But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? A bit of civilised debate please. " Circumcision has historically been and us still not always performed in a hospital or by a doctor. It's not racist or sexist at all. No need to be so offended. | |||
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"But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? Yes, and it’s an absolutely disgusting practice. That’s why any reputable won’t do it. " Why is it disgusting? It is not for you to decide that for others. | |||
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"Cut when I was 18 through a shockingly d*unken sexual episode
But wouldn’t change it even if I could "Crikey!!!!!!! | |||
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"Cut when I was 18 through a shockingly d*unken sexual episode
But wouldn’t change it even if I could
Crikey!!!!!!! "It’s not a story for the grandkids but it is a funny one | |||
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"But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? Yes, and it’s an absolutely disgusting practice. That’s why any reputable won’t do it. Why is it disgusting? It is not for you to decide that for others." Get a grip of yourself lad. Piercing babies is gross. Babies cannot consent to a cosmetic procedure. | |||
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"But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? Yes, and it’s an absolutely disgusting practice. That’s why any reputable won’t do it. Why is it disgusting? It is not for you to decide that for others. Get a grip of yourself lad. Piercing babies is gross. Babies cannot consent to a cosmetic procedure. " Completely agree!! Any human no matter what the piercing should be at an age to be able to consent and say…I want that!! Otherwise it’s taking their rights away and is actually abuse! | |||
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"Oh dear lord, so now it's all a conspiracy theory by Americans to combat masturbation? Bury your heads in the sand all you want, the research is there and, at least in the case of HIV is statistically important enough to warrant mention by all the leading medica as a positive. UTIs HPVs etc - all statistically relevant results where circumcision has been a positive step. Now that's not advocating it's the best, but denying it's statistical relevance is dumb. And yes, breasts are removed in case of cancer... Don't see what you're getting at. Breasts are also removed where familial risks of cancer are expected. Desensitisation is awesome, I last longer, I have harder erections, it looks prettier. It's a no brainer and a win win win, unless you love your smegma and cottage cheese scented helmet. Can't deny that some do *shrugs*." This infection risk can be around 60% of contracting the virus from a female partner through vaginal intercourse and a slightly lower risk of other STI's infection. The active partner is usually at a much lower risk anyway to infection of HIV and it is far more likely to be contracted through bodily fluid or blood . There is little evidence of this in anal intercourse for men which make me wary of completely accepting this data. | |||
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" And yes, breasts are removed in case of cancer... Don't see what you're getting at. " False equivalency. Breasts are not routinely removed at birth. | |||
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"But so's ear piercings on babies. That's cultural too. You gonna call that mutilation? Yes, and it’s an absolutely disgusting practice. That’s why any reputable won’t do it. Why is it disgusting? It is not for you to decide that for others. Get a grip of yourself lad. Piercing babies is gross. Babies cannot consent to a cosmetic procedure. Completely agree!! Any human no matter what the piercing should be at an age to be able to consent and say…I want that!! Otherwise it’s taking their rights away and is actually abuse!" | |||
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