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"Technically, yes. There's a right in employment law to take "emergency leave for dependents" but it's an unpaid right. Some employers might offer a contractual enhancement for it to be paid, or allow annual leave to be used instead, but many do just apply the unpaid emergency time off thing. It's crap, I know "I just can't believe it's not something I can take out of my allowance. In 7 years I've had 3 days off and that was bc of an operation! It's crap and penalises single parents moreso. | |||
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"You don't get paid but still do your job? Or am I going mad? " In education you plan all your lessons for the day and resource them (so ill have to do post 9pm after child's bedtime). Someone else internally is employed as "cover" if someone is off sick. | |||
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"Technically, yes. There's a right in employment law to take "emergency leave for dependents" but it's an unpaid right. Some employers might offer a contractual enhancement for it to be paid, or allow annual leave to be used instead, but many do just apply the unpaid emergency time off thing. It's crap, I know
I just can't believe it's not something I can take out of my allowance. In 7 years I've had 3 days off and that was bc of an operation! It's crap and penalises single parents moreso. "Have you asked about using annual leave? That's what we usually offer people as the alternative to being unpaid, if they have it left to use. | |||
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"If you have to take a day off bc of a poorly child does your employer give it as unpaid leave? My work place is public sector and that's the case. Tomorrow with a poorly child I have to send in my work for the day which I'll have to do this evening or before 7am, yet the day isn't paid. So that means paying for childcare for the day and having pay docked. Actually my workplace makes money from me not being there. I set the day's work. Someone internally is paid to cover who is getting paid anyway to cover anyone off and they don't pay me. It's a win for them actually. I've not had any days off this year myself or for my child but doesn't come out of my sick allowance (which would technically be another 9 days until July). Is this common practice I wonder? "I’m afraid so. Disgusting but so. I’m a postman and our sick pay has been torn to pieces in this awful deal people signed to (not me). The service is shocking and i spend most of my day apologising for the service which isn’t my fault. You are a victim of a Tory government same as me the country is propped up on privatised companies being rinsed and torn to pieces but multi millionaire share holders. I honestly fear for our economy. Sorry about the rant and sorry your being treated so disgracefully | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. " We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too. | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too." Expected and actually HAVE to (contractually or legally) are different things. After day 1 of someone being off, we wouldn't expect them to set work or do anything. On day 1, it's helpful to have something to go at, but that's why we write SoW, right? You should be able to say "they're on week X or topic Y" and the cover person should have access to appropriate resources to at least make a start. | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too. Expected and actually HAVE to (contractually or legally) are different things. After day 1 of someone being off, we wouldn't expect them to set work or do anything. On day 1, it's helpful to have something to go at, but that's why we write SoW, right? You should be able to say "they're on week X or topic Y" and the cover person should have access to appropriate resources to at least make a start. " This is where its tricky, but I know what you mean. Not setting proper cover, particularly bc most of my classes are very low ability I can't teach off the sow. They need something really personalised. So I feel I'm doing them a disservice plus stressing out the covering person and my hod - who after all doesn't make up these stupid rules | |||
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"Technically, yes. There's a right in employment law to take "emergency leave for dependents" but it's an unpaid right. Some employers might offer a contractual enhancement for it to be paid, or allow annual leave to be used instead, but many do just apply the unpaid emergency time off thing. It's crap, I know
I just can't believe it's not something I can take out of my allowance. In 7 years I've had 3 days off and that was bc of an operation! It's crap and penalises single parents moreso.
Have you asked about using annual leave? That's what we usually offer people as the alternative to being unpaid, if they have it left to use. "We're told that's not an option.  | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too. Expected and actually HAVE to (contractually or legally) are different things. After day 1 of someone being off, we wouldn't expect them to set work or do anything. On day 1, it's helpful to have something to go at, but that's why we write SoW, right? You should be able to say "they're on week X or topic Y" and the cover person should have access to appropriate resources to at least make a start. This is where its tricky, but I know what you mean. Not setting proper cover, particularly bc most of my classes are very low ability I can't teach off the sow. They need something really personalised. So I feel I'm doing them a disservice plus stressing out the covering person and my hod - who after all doesn't make up these stupid rules "Seriously, they cannot mandate that you work on unpaid leave (or any leave)! What if you were in hospital with your child? You wouldn't be able to set or do anything. Once your students get past day 1, presumably you don't know exactly what they've done or not, so how can you set personalized content? That's what your HoD is paid to solve. They are responsible for sorting staffing and all staffing involves periods of absence for various reasons. I feel very qualified to say that  | |||
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I'm lucky I think I get up to 5 days paid a year, for looking after a dependant | |||
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"In future it might be worth you being the ill one
I'm lucky I think I get up to 5 days paid a year, for looking after a dependant "Oh sure, it's pretty much what everyone does but I got called away from work bc of poorly baby so it's known today. Childcare won't have her back tomo so I can't go in. I'm feeling a little ill myself all of a sudden though (cough cough)!!  | |||
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"In future it might be worth you being the ill one
I'm lucky I think I get up to 5 days paid a year, for looking after a dependant
Oh sure, it's pretty much what everyone does but I got called away from work bc of poorly baby so it's known today. Childcare won't have her back tomo so I can't go in.
I'm feeling a little ill myself all of a sudden though (cough cough)!! "Oh that's annoying then. At least it will soon be half term | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too. Expected and actually HAVE to (contractually or legally) are different things. After day 1 of someone being off, we wouldn't expect them to set work or do anything. On day 1, it's helpful to have something to go at, but that's why we write SoW, right? You should be able to say "they're on week X or topic Y" and the cover person should have access to appropriate resources to at least make a start. This is where its tricky, but I know what you mean. Not setting proper cover, particularly bc most of my classes are very low ability I can't teach off the sow. They need something really personalised. So I feel I'm doing them a disservice plus stressing out the covering person and my hod - who after all doesn't make up these stupid rules
Seriously, they cannot mandate that you work on unpaid leave (or any leave)! What if you were in hospital with your child? You wouldn't be able to set or do anything. Once your students get past day 1, presumably you don't know exactly what they've done or not, so how can you set personalized content? That's what your HoD is paid to solve. They are responsible for sorting staffing and all staffing involves periods of absence for various reasons.
I feel very qualified to say that "Actually when in hospital after an emergency miscarriage for 3 nights my hod brought a laptop in so I could plan cover. And I did. In fact that same morning of my operation. The nurses couldn't believe it. I just didn't want to let anyone down. It just leaves a bad feeling when you do things like that then there's zero reciprocal goodwill. Makes me think I won't bother in future and I've never been like that. Sorry I'm ranting I realise! But yes you're absolutely right. Our new union rep feels very much up against it with things like this | |||
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" Actually when in hospital after an emergency miscarriage for 3 nights my hod brought a laptop in so I could plan cover. And I did. In fact that same morning of my operation. The nurses couldn't believe it. I just didn't want to let anyone down. It just leaves a bad feeling when you do things like that then there's zero reciprocal goodwill. Makes me think I won't bother in future and I've never been like that. Sorry I'm ranting I realise! But yes you're absolutely right. Our new union rep feels very much up against it with things like this "*Hello, is that the Employment Tribunal people, I have a watertight care for you* Yeah, that's just not on. Totally and utterly not on. I hope your rep gets somewhere because if nothing else, your college is exposing themselves to a major HR disaster by not just expecting, but effectively forcing people to work when on sick leave. I totally understand how you feel about having a duty to provide continuity to your students, but shit happens and your HoD is tasked with resolving shit. Asking sick people or people on leave to work, is not resolving anything. Can you imagine someone who worked in a bank* having a laptop brought to them in hospital and being asked to work? *Or any other employment type?! | |||
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"Btw OP, if you are taking emergency unpaid leave, you are actually under no obligation to set work or do anything work related. Tell them where the students are up to in the SoW and whoever covers will have to sort it from there. We have to. In fact I don't work Mondays but bc my exam students have exams on that particular day they have an extra pre-exam lesson. I'm expected to plan and resource that too. Expected and actually HAVE to (contractually or legally) are different things. After day 1 of someone being off, we wouldn't expect them to set work or do anything. On day 1, it's helpful to have something to go at, but that's why we write SoW, right? You should be able to say "they're on week X or topic Y" and the cover person should have access to appropriate resources to at least make a start. This is where its tricky, but I know what you mean. Not setting proper cover, particularly bc most of my classes are very low ability I can't teach off the sow. They need something really personalised. So I feel I'm doing them a disservice plus stressing out the covering person and my hod - who after all doesn't make up these stupid rules
Seriously, they cannot mandate that you work on unpaid leave (or any leave)! What if you were in hospital with your child? You wouldn't be able to set or do anything. Once your students get past day 1, presumably you don't know exactly what they've done or not, so how can you set personalized content? That's what your HoD is paid to solve. They are responsible for sorting staffing and all staffing involves periods of absence for various reasons.
I feel very qualified to say that
Actually when in hospital after an emergency miscarriage for 3 nights my hod brought a laptop in so I could plan cover. And I did. In fact that same morning of my operation. The nurses couldn't believe it.
I just didn't want to let anyone down. It just leaves a bad feeling when you do things like that then there's zero reciprocal goodwill. Makes me think I won't bother in future and I've never been like that.
Sorry I'm ranting I realise!
But yes you're absolutely right. Our new union rep feels very much up against it with things like this "Start saying no to such ridiculous requests | |||
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" Actually when in hospital after an emergency miscarriage for 3 nights my hod brought a laptop in so I could plan cover. And I did. In fact that same morning of my operation. The nurses couldn't believe it. I just didn't want to let anyone down. It just leaves a bad feeling when you do things like that then there's zero reciprocal goodwill. Makes me think I won't bother in future and I've never been like that. Sorry I'm ranting I realise! But yes you're absolutely right. Our new union rep feels very much up against it with things like this
*Hello, is that the Employment Tribunal people, I have a watertight care for you*
Yeah, that's just not on. Totally and utterly not on. I hope your rep gets somewhere because if nothing else, your college is exposing themselves to a major HR disaster by not just expecting, but effectively forcing people to work when on sick leave.
I totally understand how you feel about having a duty to provide continuity to your students, but shit happens and your HoD is tasked with resolving shit. Asking sick people or people on leave to work, is not resolving anything.
Can you imagine someone who worked in a bank* having a laptop brought to them in hospital and being asked to work?
*Or any other employment type?! "You're right, thanks. I've told the rep I've had a forum discussion about this. I omitted the part where I said from where though | |||
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"If you have to take a day off bc of a poorly child does your employer give it as unpaid leave? My work place is public sector and that's the case. Tomorrow with a poorly child I have to send in my work for the day which I'll have to do this evening or before 7am, yet the day isn't paid. So that means paying for childcare for the day and having pay docked. Actually my workplace makes money from me not being there. I set the day's work. Someone internally is paid to cover who is getting paid anyway to cover anyone off and they don't pay me. It's a win for them actually. I've not had any days off this year myself or for my child but doesn't come out of my sick allowance (which would technically be another 9 days until July). Is this common practice I wonder? I’m afraid so. Disgusting but so. I’m a postman and our sick pay has been torn to pieces in this awful deal people signed to (not me). The service is shocking and i spend most of my day apologising for the service which isn’t my fault. You are a victim of a Tory government same as me the country is propped up on privatised companies being rinsed and torn to pieces but multi millionaire share holders. I honestly fear for our economy. Sorry about the rant and sorry your being treated so disgracefully " quite a bleak picture isn't it | |||
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"Did they not give you the option to take it as annual leave?" No. It's not an option. It'd be more palatable if I didn't do so many hours outside my contract for free | |||
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"Did they not give you the option to take it as annual leave? No. It's not an option. It'd be more palatable if I didn't do so many hours outside my contract for free "Point this out to your bosses, and if they persist stop doing work that you're not being paid for | |||
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"I'm self employed. Any leave is unpaid. And the holiday/sick pay sucks too. "Whats the Christmas party like? | |||
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"If you have to take a day off bc of a poorly child does your employer give it as unpaid leave? My work place is public sector and that's the case. Tomorrow with a poorly child I have to send in my work for the day which I'll have to do this evening or before 7am, yet the day isn't paid. So that means paying for childcare for the day and having pay docked. Actually my workplace makes money from me not being there. I set the day's work. Someone internally is paid to cover who is getting paid anyway to cover anyone off and they don't pay me. It's a win for them actually. I've not had any days off this year myself or for my child but doesn't come out of my sick allowance (which would technically be another 9 days until July). Is this common practice I wonder? "Not sure I follow. Why are you paying for childcare if you're taking the day off to look after your sick child.? Can you take it as a days holiday? At my place I can take it unpaid or book a days holiday. I wouldn't expect to get paid if I'm not at work. Don't get that expectation. | |||
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"I'm self employed. Any leave is unpaid. And the holiday/sick pay sucks too.
Whats the Christmas party like?"The Secret Santa gift must be a big suprise | |||
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"Could you take a days leave? I too work in public sector (education), and any time I might need off in an emergency is paid as normal. I also think that the concept of "sickness allowance" is ridiculous. People don't choose to be poorly, and usually have zero control of such things. I've always been lucky and NEVER get ill, but it is only luck. Cal" I very rarely get ill. Just as well I hate setting cover so much I'd rather just go in and do lessons myself. Leave isn't an option. Actually in October I had a flat tyre. Youtube taught me to change it! I was 45 mins late for school. I had a free period anyway. Later that day I got an email saying I could have that as unpaid leave
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"If you have to take a day off bc of a poorly child does your employer give it as unpaid leave? My work place is public sector and that's the case. Tomorrow with a poorly child I have to send in my work for the day which I'll have to do this evening or before 7am, yet the day isn't paid. So that means paying for childcare for the day and having pay docked. Actually my workplace makes money from me not being there. I set the day's work. Someone internally is paid to cover who is getting paid anyway to cover anyone off and they don't pay me. It's a win for them actually. I've not had any days off this year myself or for my child but doesn't come out of my sick allowance (which would technically be another 9 days until July). Is this common practice I wonder?
Not sure I follow. Why are you paying for childcare if you're taking the day off to look after your sick child.?
Can you take it as a days holiday?
At my place I can take it unpaid or book a days holiday.
I wouldn't expect to get paid if I'm not at work. Don't get that expectation. "Childminders/nurseries still charge whether the child is there or not. If they're meant to be there Monday - Friday regardless of the situation then it's paid. Same as Bank Holidays, you still pay. So for me where I am is £90 a day. In teaching holidays are school holidays. No flexibility around that. | |||
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