Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
Join us FREE, we're FREE to use
Web's largest swingers site since 2006.
Already registered?
Login here
 | Back to forum list |
| Back to The Lounge |
| Jump to newest |  |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? " Did they have guns on them? Are you privvy to their training and instructions on how to deal with these situations? Would you run at a guy wielding a sword? Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? " Next time, you are welcome to lead the way and show them how it should be done. Real life is a bit different from the movies and with hindsight. They have families too and they don't want their children to be fatherless. So while they are approaching the killer, they are also trying to sketch out a plan of capture on the hoof. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " spot on.whenever there is any incident people are always quick to say they should have done things differently.theyare damned if they do and damned if they don't.they have to make a split second decision when something like this happens and no matter how many training courses and exercises they may have been on,when its happening in realtime and you have no idea how the attacker is likely to react it's a totally different scenario.i know I wouldn't like to face that | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them "  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns " Do they? In 2022/2023 the IOPC showed 23 deaths while in police custody. I would suggest you check out the stats, this includes the whole of the police not just the Met. Unlike the US in the UK it’s damn near impossible that an innocent person will be shot by the police. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " Definitely! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
 | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. (" This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. " yes he was, i suppose it depends where the armed response officers were - but yes, they should know that their actions have consequences totally agree with you there. But I also feel for the poor firearm officers who have to make that decision as well. The police are people as well as police officers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" and also send condolences to the parent of that poor child who was just going about his daily business. The world is going crazy "What hell must that family have been plunged in to yesterday morning. It's unbearable. I understand they're being supported by specially trained police officers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. yes he was, i suppose it depends where the armed response officers were - but yes, they should know that their actions have consequences totally agree with you there. But I also feel for the poor firearm officers who have to make that decision as well. The police are people as well as police officers." I can only assume they didn’t get there quick enough. Surely that warrants an armed response. I haven’t read anything today, only yesterday so haven’t seen any other news about it all. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. yes he was, i suppose it depends where the armed response officers were - but yes, they should know that their actions have consequences totally agree with you there. But I also feel for the poor firearm officers who have to make that decision as well. The police are people as well as police officers. I can only assume they didn’t get there quick enough. Surely that warrants an armed response. I haven’t read anything today, only yesterday so haven’t seen any other news about it all. " i would imagine everything was deployed - you saw officers keep arriving, the nearest would have responded 1st -i dont have the time for responses but in the past specialist units can take a bit longer to get there and again im not sure of my facts but do they not have individual fire arm officers now? there is going to be death by media anyway for this - there always is. Officers were also injured. The media coverage seems to be in favour of the police - for a change | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
" and also send condolences to the parent of that poor child who was just going about his daily business. The world is going crazy
What hell must that family have been plunged in to yesterday morning. It's unbearable.
I understand they're being supported by specially trained police officers. "that would be my worse nightmare | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. yes he was, i suppose it depends where the armed response officers were - but yes, they should know that their actions have consequences totally agree with you there. But I also feel for the poor firearm officers who have to make that decision as well. The police are people as well as police officers. I can only assume they didn’t get there quick enough. Surely that warrants an armed response. I haven’t read anything today, only yesterday so haven’t seen any other news about it all. " The armed officers would have been on the way. Through heavy traffic knowing that if they go " too fast" or drive "too aggressively" they'll be criticized or prosecuted. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. yes he was, i suppose it depends where the armed response officers were - but yes, they should know that their actions have consequences totally agree with you there. But I also feel for the poor firearm officers who have to make that decision as well. The police are people as well as police officers. I can only assume they didn’t get there quick enough. Surely that warrants an armed response. I haven’t read anything today, only yesterday so haven’t seen any other news about it all. The armed officers would have been on the way. Through heavy traffic knowing that if they go " too fast" or drive "too aggressively" they'll be criticized or prosecuted. Damned if they do, damned if they don't." Absolutely | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Listen, if I was a police officer, I would have killed him knowing he had stabbed so many and would stab more given the opportunity. But I am not a cop, and I'm sure there was a good reason why they didn't do anything to stop him. Well, that is if we are talking about the same video I watched yesterday. I saw the police officer asking him to put the weapon down and then the man with the sword ran off? Wouldn't it be a good idea to arm all police officers with something like a taser so they can at least do something when threatened with this type of situation? Damn I really wouldn't be able to be a police officer because I would honestly shoot the man as soon as I had eyes on him. I don't care about his mental health, it's terrifying seeing all these poor innocent people being brutally murdered for no fucking reason. And when you see all the poor little kids. I can't deal with it. I get so angry." I agree with your essential point, I think the issue with tasers is that you still need to get quite close and if you don't get it right then you are basically left unarmed against a sword. I also agree in that moment MH issues are irrelevant. However, if he does have mental health issues there needs to be an investigation as to what support he was given. As following decades of 'Treating MH in the community' - which invariably means doing nothing except giving someone anti-depressants and putting them on a waiting list for CBT - which is basically telling people to get some exercise, have better sleep hygiene and think happy thoughts. I think there needs to be a bit of light shed on how poor MH provision is in this country. There are people begging for inpatient treatment saying they are scared they will hurt people or themselves and they are told no because they 'still have insight.' And then thousands of mental health beds are occupied by people with learning disabilities, because of the lack of adequate support in the community for them. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Listen, if I was a police officer, I would have killed him knowing he had stabbed so many and would stab more given the opportunity. But I am not a cop, and I'm sure there was a good reason why they didn't do anything to stop him. Well, that is if we are talking about the same video I watched yesterday. I saw the police officer asking him to put the weapon down and then the man with the sword ran off? Wouldn't it be a good idea to arm all police officers with something like a taser so they can at least do something when threatened with this type of situation? Damn I really wouldn't be able to be a police officer because I would honestly shoot the man as soon as I had eyes on him. I don't care about his mental health, it's terrifying seeing all these poor innocent people being brutally murdered for no fucking reason. And when you see all the poor little kids. I can't deal with it. I get so angry." No a hard hat and a 2 ft stick is all they need to protect themselves and the society they police... Well ok... Maybe a little spray of tear gas too. From what I've seen the police did as good a job as they could in the circumstances and I appreciate their bravery. They may carry a magic night stick but unlike the cartoons it doesn't give them magic powers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " This. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them This. "And another | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " This. At least they can now find out who and why. The more we know about this incident the more can be done to prevent similar...I hope. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? " Did you watch the video of them and hear them ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Listen, if I was a police officer, I would have killed him knowing he had stabbed so many and would stab more given the opportunity. But I am not a cop, and I'm sure there was a good reason why they didn't do anything to stop him. Well, that is if we are talking about the same video I watched yesterday. I saw the police officer asking him to put the weapon down and then the man with the sword ran off? Wouldn't it be a good idea to arm all police officers with something like a taser so they can at least do something when threatened with this type of situation? Damn I really wouldn't be able to be a police officer because I would honestly shoot the man as soon as I had eyes on him. I don't care about his mental health, it's terrifying seeing all these poor innocent people being brutally murdered for no fucking reason. And when you see all the poor little kids. I can't deal with it. I get so angry." This guy was a serious threat to public & he ran off with his sword when they asked him not to. They then refused to chase him & shouted people to look their doors. Unlike the brave female cop in Australia who approached and shot the guy. I think the uk police looked scared , unprepared & unprofessional in the video. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? Did you watch the video of them and hear them ? " Yes, I have seen the footage. What actions or words did you think were inappropriate by the officers? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? " What I would do is completely irrelevant, my default mode is fight, so I probably would’ve gone head-on into him. I’d probably make a really bad police officer & I have no intention of ever wanted to be a police officer….. But I have expectations those that are police officers , On or off duty, And whatever role, are trained to Pursue & quickly disarm threats to public lives, Put in their own safety secondary to the Publics, And if that means taking out a sword wielding lunatic then that’s fine by me | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns " Can you even imagine? God forbid. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? What I would do is completely irrelevant, my default mode is fight, so I probably would’ve gone head-on into him. I’d probably make a really bad police officer & I have no intention of ever wanted to be a police officer….. But I have expectations those that are police officers , On or off duty, And whatever role, are trained to Pursue & quickly disarm threats to public lives, Put in their own safety secondary to the Publics, And if that means taking out a sword wielding lunatic then that’s fine by me" Which is exactly what they did, following the protocols placed upon them, using tactical communication in the first instance, gathering intelligence, dynamic risk assessments, and taking the necessary action at the appropriate time. Well done Met officers, job done! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? Did you watch the video of them and hear them ? Yes, I have seen the footage. What actions or words did you think were inappropriate by the officers? " Not chasing him & strolling around casually like they were on their fag break as he ran out of sight with a big sword. And when he shouted to people to stay in the houses, He could’ve been a little bit more culturally sensitive and repeated it in Urdu. How about you what did you make that part of the video? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns " Absolute nonsense | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? What I would do is completely irrelevant, my default mode is fight, so I probably would’ve gone head-on into him. I’d probably make a really bad police officer & I have no intention of ever wanted to be a police officer….. But I have expectations those that are police officers , On or off duty, And whatever role, are trained to Pursue & quickly disarm threats to public lives, Put in their own safety secondary to the Publics, And if that means taking out a sword wielding lunatic then that’s fine by me" and they did and one police officer has life changing injuries and will be lucky if she manages to keep her arm - you dont know the level of training of the officers that attended this incident, many looked quite young , they did a good job, with the resources they had to had, they probably also saw their colleagues that were injured as they arrived. its a heightened situation and unless you have experience of dealing with situations like this or have had training to deal with potential situations like this you cannot say how you would react - its great to sit and watch someone else and say na i wouldnt have done that | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? What I would do is completely irrelevant, my default mode is fight, so I probably would’ve gone head-on into him. I’d probably make a really bad police officer & I have no intention of ever wanted to be a police officer….. But I have expectations those that are police officers , On or off duty, And whatever role, are trained to Pursue & quickly disarm threats to public lives, Put in their own safety secondary to the Publics, And if that means taking out a sword wielding lunatic then that’s fine by me" Brave words! However unless you have actually been in situation like that then that is all they are unfortunately. Police arrive on scene and guy with a sword who has already killed someone is taken out before more harm can come to anyone else. Not sure how that can be seen as anything other than a job well done. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns Do they? In 2022/2023 the IOPC showed 23 deaths while in police custody. I would suggest you check out the stats, this includes the whole of the police not just the Met. Unlike the US in the UK it’s damn near impossible that an innocent person will be shot by the police. " 100 % | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The police officers did exactly what they were trained to do. They kept the public safe. And yes, they would have asked him to put the sword down. It's called tactical communication, used to de-escalate a situation. These were front line officers, not armed response. Not all of them would have had tasers. How close would you want to get to someone with a blade that long? Did you watch the video of them and hear them ? Yes, I have seen the footage. What actions or words did you think were inappropriate by the officers? Not chasing him & strolling around casually like they were on their fag break as he ran out of sight with a big sword. And when he shouted to people to stay in the houses, He could’ve been a little bit more culturally sensitive and repeated it in Urdu. How about you what did you make that part of the video? " I really hope you are not serious with those comments. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Listen, if I was a police officer, I would have killed him knowing he had stabbed so many and would stab more given the opportunity. But I am not a cop, and I'm sure there was a good reason why they didn't do anything to stop him. Well, that is if we are talking about the same video I watched yesterday. I saw the police officer asking him to put the weapon down and then the man with the sword ran off? Wouldn't it be a good idea to arm all police officers with something like a taser so they can at least do something when threatened with this type of situation? Damn I really wouldn't be able to be a police officer because I would honestly shoot the man as soon as I had eyes on him. I don't care about his mental health, it's terrifying seeing all these poor innocent people being brutally murdered for no fucking reason. And when you see all the poor little kids. I can't deal with it. I get so angry. This guy was a serious threat to public & he ran off with his sword when they asked him not to. They then refused to chase him & shouted people to look their doors. Unlike the brave female cop in Australia who approached and shot the guy. I think the uk police looked scared , unprepared & unprofessional in the video. " Really? Because they took down an dangerous and armed individual without the use of fatal force? I'd say they look the exact opposite. Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them This. At least they can now find out who and why. The more we know about this incident the more can be done to prevent similar...I hope." Nice idea but the notion of preventing similar is wishful thinking. bladed attacks are on the increase. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
Mr | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why would you post something like this on fab not knowing the facts etc !!!!!!!" Fab facts, there's a thread in there somewhere Mr | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns Do they? In 2022/2023 the IOPC showed 23 deaths while in police custody. I would suggest you check out the stats, this includes the whole of the police not just the Met. Unlike the US in the UK it’s damn near impossible that an innocent person will be shot by the police. " Indeed - Private eye some editions back Highlighted your very comments | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why would you post something like this on fab not knowing the facts etc !!!!!!!" I know I shouldn’t, when the topic of discussion is of a serious nature, but this really did make me chuckle. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why would you post something like this on fab not knowing the facts etc !!!!!!!" They are the fucking facts Some horrible twat has murdered a 13 year old child for NOTHING | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? " So you'd be straight in there to disarm him would you? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why would you post something like this on fab not knowing the facts etc !!!!!!! They are the fucking facts Some horrible twat has murdered a 13 year old child for NOTHING " Can we not put a massive wall around London? It’s a jungle. I contribute to that. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Listen, if I was a police officer, I would have killed him knowing he had stabbed so many and would stab more given the opportunity. But I am not a cop, and I'm sure there was a good reason why they didn't do anything to stop him. Well, that is if we are talking about the same video I watched yesterday. I saw the police officer asking him to put the weapon down and then the man with the sword ran off? Wouldn't it be a good idea to arm all police officers with something like a taser so they can at least do something when threatened with this type of situation? Damn I really wouldn't be able to be a police officer because I would honestly shoot the man as soon as I had eyes on him. I don't care about his mental health, it's terrifying seeing all these poor innocent people being brutally murdered for no fucking reason. And when you see all the poor little kids. I can't deal with it. I get so angry. This guy was a serious threat to public & he ran off with his sword when they asked him not to. They then refused to chase him & shouted people to look their doors. Unlike the brave female cop in Australia who approached and shot the guy. I think the uk police looked scared , unprepared & unprofessional in the video. " Check before you make silly comments | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why would you post something like this on fab not knowing the facts etc !!!!!!!" It's in the news not knowing the full facts so ...... Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"my default mode is fight, so I probably would’ve gone head-on into him. I’d probably make a really bad police officer ….." Yeah, you would make a bad police officer. So you go head to head with him, he chops up your hands or face badly, you're a casualty lying on the floor and he's still moving on to attack someone else. How the fuck has that helped anyone? " But I have expectations those that are police officers , On or off duty, And whatever role, are trained to Pursue & quickly disarm threats to public lives, Put in their own safety secondary to the Publics, And if that means taking out a sword wielding lunatic then that’s fine by me" Errrm, they did just that. You mentioned the brave Aussie officer. Well done her, but she had a firearm. A lethal option that she deployed. That wasn't available to the officers in the video. They are confronting a very dangerous person and you in your armchair don't want their job. Your comments are incredibly naive and also don't take account of the law in Wales and England. They could have killed him if it was necessary. Evidently it wasn't. Grow up. Gbat | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"The met police kill enough people already without giving them guns " How many & how many have they saved? Low blow I reckon. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Its awful what is happening in The country with a the crime and the Police being so short-staffed its a very difficult job for them " Every aspect of society is suffering the effects of mass migration along with either static or reduced investment in services. It breeds a contempt for migrants & I certainly think immigration is too high but opening the flood gates & not investing started with Blair & the Tories maintained the failings so our government are 100% to blame. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? " I watched the police 6 no back up or armed officers. Police looked tardy. Pointing out he was on the roof. Backed into a corner and they stood doing nothing much. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? I watched the police 6 no back up or armed officers. Police looked tardy. Pointing out he was on the roof. Backed into a corner and they stood doing nothing much. " I think the officers who were badly injured and those who tasered the man did a lot. He was arrested 22 minutes after the initial 999 call which I think is pretty good. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.." Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.." Not every police officer carries a taser Mr | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.." They did use their tasers Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.. Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. " I was googling around and quite hard to find this info... Between 6000 and 17000 carry tasers seems to be the info out there....so very far from all carry tasers. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.. Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. I was googling around and quite hard to find this info... Between 6000 and 17000 carry tasers seems to be the info out there....so very far from all carry tasers. " Officers need to be specially trained in their use. I'm really struggling to understand how the police can be criticised for this. Obviously I don't know but I assume the badly injured officers were unmarmed and tried to stop the man. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.. Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. I was googling around and quite hard to find this info... Between 6000 and 17000 carry tasers seems to be the info out there....so very far from all carry tasers. Officers need to be specially trained in their use. I'm really struggling to understand how the police can be criticised for this. Obviously I don't know but I assume the badly injured officers were unmarmed and tried to stop the man. " The site has been inundated with anti establishment nonsense since lockdown,any chance to criticise the police and people will. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.. Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. I was googling around and quite hard to find this info... Between 6000 and 17000 carry tasers seems to be the info out there....so very far from all carry tasers. Officers need to be specially trained in their use. I'm really struggling to understand how the police can be criticised for this. Obviously I don't know but I assume the badly injured officers were unmarmed and tried to stop the man. " | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Backed into a corner and they stood doing nothing much. " What did you think they should be doing? Containing the situation whilst waiting for armed back up might look like nothing much, but perhaps things have changed since your days of being a police firearms user. Tardy means being inappropriately slow, doesn't it? I'd have said they looked like they were trying not to get killed, which is entirely appropriate. Gbat | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away " They didn't have guns. That's kind of the point of the op. Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"If they had just gone straight in and shot him there would have been hell to play and the officer that pulled the trigger no doubt on trial by media as well as everything else. ( This is true. I wouldn’t have wanted to be that officer. Wave a sword around trying to kill innocent people, expect to be shot. Mental health issues or not. Lucky he was only tasered. " There's a video doing the rounds of a similar case to this, but in the States. Fortunately no victims. The police approached with caution, weapons drawn and were polite, calming and reasonable, asking the man to keep back and put the sword down, over and over again. He aggressively and threateningly approached one of the officers. He didn't get far. Play stupid games win stupid prizes. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Why didn’t they use there tasers! Still a scary situation to be faced with also.. Maybe they weren't carrying them, not all police officers do. I was googling around and quite hard to find this info... Between 6000 and 17000 carry tasers seems to be the info out there....so very far from all carry tasers. Officers need to be specially trained in their use. I'm really struggling to understand how the police can be criticised for this. Obviously I don't know but I assume the badly injured officers were unmarmed and tried to stop the man. The site has been inundated with anti establishment nonsense since lockdown,any chance to criticise the police and people will." This. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Two police officers ran towards the man (not something I'd want to do) and tasered him. I believe he was arrested approximately twenty minutes after the first 999 call. I think we should be praising the officers concerned rather than criticising them " They police officers saved many lives, including the man with the sword..... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away " So good you said it twice | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot !" That’s what Hondo would have done  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot !" Easy to say on a swingers site. Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot !" This is what watching too much telly does. Small target on an aggressively moving target, only works in Hollywood blockbusters. It doesn't account for missing, or the danger to people beyond the shotline. Notwithstanding, none of the attending officers carried firearms. But other than that........ | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot !" Is that what you do when you're playing call of duty ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m afraid Britain is becoming lawless,we are using laws that are totally outdated for the modern era, crime and drugs are rampant, police are struggling and in some cases out gunned (sword used almost cut off two police officers arm and hand) Arm the police fully and if it that doesn’t work arm the public, and before everyone jumps on the look at America I’ll say look at Switzerland and Czech Republic Citizen gun ownership can be done ! " I think so. I definitely don’t think I wanna go anywhere near what’s happening in producers like the US and Brazil with the level of guns there but our police are not tough enough and criminals see them as a bit of a joke I’m talking about violent criminals and organise criminals, the police on that much of a problem to them like they are in other countries | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away So good you said it twice " Yes of course they should guy rampaging with a sword Hacking the public and police should’ve been shot very quickly By the first officer on the scene. They don’t necessarily have to kill them, But if they do it ain’t that bad one less lunatic to process | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away So good you said it twice Yes of course they should guy rampaging with a sword Hacking the public and police should’ve been shot very quickly By the first officer on the scene. They don’t necessarily have to kill them, But if they do it ain’t that bad one less lunatic to process" 1 - The first officer on the scene wasn't armed with a firearm. 2 - Those who are trained in firearms don't shoot to wound. Another Hollywood fantasy. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot ! Is that what you do when you're playing call of duty ?"  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m afraid Britain is becoming lawless,we are using laws that are totally outdated for the modern era, crime and drugs are rampant, police are struggling and in some cases out gunned (sword used almost cut off two police officers arm and hand) Arm the police fully and if it that doesn’t work arm the public, and before everyone jumps on the look at America I’ll say look at Switzerland and Czech Republic Citizen gun ownership can be done ! " Not sure Swiss and Czech crime stats are due to gun ownership. Probably more to do with culture, environment, community and behaviour... Oh and less people breaking the law. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m afraid Britain is becoming lawless,we are using laws that are totally outdated for the modern era, crime and drugs are rampant, police are struggling and in some cases out gunned (sword used almost cut off two police officers arm and hand) Arm the police fully and if it that doesn’t work arm the public, and before everyone jumps on the look at America I’ll say look at Switzerland and Czech Republic Citizen gun ownership can be done ! Not sure Swiss and Czech crime stats are due to gun ownership. Probably more to do with culture, environment, community and behaviour... Oh and less people breaking the law. " Absolutely! But my point is America gets thrown about as soon as someone advocates citizens gun rights, my point is some countries can be trusted I’m not sure how Britain would be if in same situation with a gun culture But I genuinely think legal gun owners should be able to conceal carry ( obviously pistols which are currently banned in most forms ) Think how differently the sword attack would have played out, maybe the poor victims wouldn’t be having their arms put back together after being almost severed and the poor 14 year old unsuspecting lad would still be going home It makes me sick to think of his poor parents! It’s obvious the police responded asap but it wasn’t enough The void is arm certain elements of the public to neutralise any such threat, be it terrorist or some scumbag with a sword or knife on the rampage Footage emerged of a man shooting wildly in the streets of London after a drill rap video 
That clown needed putting down as quickly as the sword wielding freak
Criminals are out of control and running a mock
Rant over for now and it’s not directed at yourself it’s just a rant lol | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op?" I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m afraid Britain is becoming lawless,we are using laws that are totally outdated for the modern era, crime and drugs are rampant, police are struggling and in some cases out gunned (sword used almost cut off two police officers arm and hand) Arm the police fully and if it that doesn’t work arm the public, and before everyone jumps on the look at America I’ll say look at Switzerland and Czech Republic Citizen gun ownership can be done ! Not sure Swiss and Czech crime stats are due to gun ownership. Probably more to do with culture, environment, community and behaviour... Oh and less people breaking the law. Absolutely! But my point is America gets thrown about as soon as someone advocates citizens gun rights, my point is some countries can be trusted I’m not sure how Britain would be if in same situation with a gun culture But I genuinely think legal gun owners should be able to conceal carry ( obviously pistols which are currently banned in most forms ) Think how differently the sword attack would have played out, maybe the poor victims wouldn’t be having their arms put back together after being almost severed and the poor 14 year old unsuspecting lad would still be going home It makes me sick to think of his poor parents! It’s obvious the police responded asap but it wasn’t enough The void is arm certain elements of the public to neutralise any such threat, be it terrorist or some scumbag with a sword or knife on the rampage Footage emerged of a man shooting wildly in the streets of London after a drill rap video
That clown needed putting down as quickly as the sword wielding freak
Criminals are out of control and running a mock
Rant over for now and it’s not directed at yourself it’s just a rant lol "20 years ago I think a case could be made. Now. Knife crime and attacks are increasing. Can you imagine of they had guns instead of knives? In the incident yesterday, who would have shot the swordman.? The 14 year old? You can't be advocating for teenagers to carry guns surely | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform "Yep. We can't be trusted to carry guns. That is a terrifying prospect. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform
Yep. We can't be trusted to carry guns. That is a terrifying prospect. "I think there's a case for every officer to carry a Taser *with full and on going training* but not guns. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Footage emerged of a man shooting wildly in the streets of London after a drill rap video
That clown needed putting down as quickly as the sword wielding freak "I've tried to Google this story but it isn't producing any results. Do you or anyone else have a link to this apparent incident? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"I’m afraid Britain is becoming lawless,we are using laws that are totally outdated for the modern era, crime and drugs are rampant, police are struggling and in some cases out gunned (sword used almost cut off two police officers arm and hand) Arm the police fully and if it that doesn’t work arm the public, and before everyone jumps on the look at America I’ll say look at Switzerland and Czech Republic Citizen gun ownership can be done ! Not sure Swiss and Czech crime stats are due to gun ownership. Probably more to do with culture, environment, community and behaviour... Oh and less people breaking the law. Absolutely! But my point is America gets thrown about as soon as someone advocates citizens gun rights, my point is some countries can be trusted I’m not sure how Britain would be if in same situation with a gun culture But I genuinely think legal gun owners should be able to conceal carry ( obviously pistols which are currently banned in most forms ) Think how differently the sword attack would have played out, maybe the poor victims wouldn’t be having their arms put back together after being almost severed and the poor 14 year old unsuspecting lad would still be going home It makes me sick to think of his poor parents! It’s obvious the police responded asap but it wasn’t enough The void is arm certain elements of the public to neutralise any such threat, be it terrorist or some scumbag with a sword or knife on the rampage Footage emerged of a man shooting wildly in the streets of London after a drill rap video
That clown needed putting down as quickly as the sword wielding freak
Criminals are out of control and running a mock
Rant over for now and it’s not directed at yourself it’s just a rant lol
20 years ago I think a case could be made. Now. Knife crime and attacks are increasing. Can you imagine of they had guns instead of knives?
In the incident yesterday, who would have shot the swordman.? The 14 year old? You can't be advocating for teenagers to carry guns surely "re read, you have completely got the wrong end of the stick | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot ! " We need a rapid return to the time when shouting... "Ah'm a Plea Sofficer!" ...was sufficient threat to deal with most fraught situations. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op?" Of course they should be armed, how else can they do their job when large numbers of criminals have better weapons than they do ? The cops in the video who were too scared to chase after him should have had something , maybe not an AK47, a big stick or some stones even ? It was embarrassing to watch | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform "The reason British policemen and security services are so well regarded throughout the world is because (in the main) they don't routinely carry firearms and are trained to de-escalate, as opposed to pointing a gun and pulling a trigger. Our trained response officers are taught restraint, not to empty a magazine. I disagree that arming all police officers is overdue and the vast majority of people agree, thats not my experience. And I know "quite a few" (officers) who feel the same. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform
The reason British policemen and security services are so well regarded throughout the world is because (in the main) they don't routinely carry firearms and are trained to de-escalate, as opposed to pointing a gun and pulling a trigger.
Our trained response officers are taught restraint, not to empty a magazine.
I disagree that arming all police officers is overdue and the vast majority of people agree, thats not my experience. And I know "quite a few" (officers) who feel the same.
"^^^ This | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away " But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot ! We need a rapid return to the time when shouting... "Ah'm a Plea Sofficer!" ...was sufficient threat to deal with most fraught situations." We're the Sweeney son and we haven't had any dinner yet | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Confronted by an armed guy - immediate headshot ! We need a rapid return to the time when shouting... "Ah'm a Plea Sofficer!" ...was sufficient threat to deal with most fraught situations." When was that? Peelers were getting all sorts from the residents of Angel Meadows in Manchester throughout the 19th century. There's a very interesting and sobering book I read about this, actually. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform
The reason British policemen and security services are so well regarded throughout the world is because (in the main) they don't routinely carry firearms and are trained to de-escalate, as opposed to pointing a gun and pulling a trigger.
Our trained response officers are taught restraint, not to empty a magazine.
I disagree that arming all police officers is overdue and the vast majority of people agree, thats not my experience. And I know "quite a few" (officers) who feel the same.
"Sounds like you might have gone limp ! A bit like the uk police Remember lives are at risk here ! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Are you making a case for arming all police officers op? I think the vast majority agree it’s well overdue But we have to be careful A police officer from Bradford was arrested and charged with terrorist offences just the other day
Imagine such a cop with a firearm, absolute loose cannon with anything possible while in uniform
The reason British policemen and security services are so well regarded throughout the world is because (in the main) they don't routinely carry firearms and are trained to de-escalate, as opposed to pointing a gun and pulling a trigger.
Our trained response officers are taught restraint, not to empty a magazine.
I disagree that arming all police officers is overdue and the vast majority of people agree, thats not my experience. And I know "quite a few" (officers) who feel the same.
Sounds like you might have gone limp !
A bit like the uk police
Remember lives are at risk here ! "I've no idea where that silly insult came from, that's your take away from my comment? Very strange correlation there. Our police force are often hampered by politics. Lives are often at risk. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"For those who are unaware of what happened. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68927027.amp" Thank you, wasn't aware of this shocking news
Daniel Anjorin R.i.p. Thoughts and prayers with you and your family.
What on earth possessed 36 year old Spanish-Brazilian Marcus Aurelio Arduini Monzo to go on such a rampage and commit horrific offence...!
Credit to emergency services for trying their best... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose " If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Just reading this awful news. But then watching the video of police casually strolling around shouting at him & yelling to people to lock their doors and asking him to put his sword down. They don’t seem In a rush and clearly they don’t want to go near anywhere him. I’m hoping their inability to run , or simply pull a gun on him didn't lead to more injuries. Ate the police in London a bit crap to deal with the levels of violence this city has ? " Where were the armed response units in any other country the police would have killed him | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims." I just did a quick search. 19 countries *don't* routinely arm their police. Apparently murder by fire arms is lower in all those countries. Those countries also routinely have 'policing by consent '. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Where were the armed response units in any other country the police would have killed him " Front line officers attended in the first instance, as they would have been closest. Armed response would have been on their way, but from the footage, the front line officers took him down using taser. No need to kill him. Met Police did an amazing job under very difficult circumstances. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims. I just did a quick search. 19 countries *don't* routinely arm their police. Apparently murder by fire arms is lower in all those countries. Those countries also routinely have 'policing by consent '." Don't come on here with your facts that don't fit the argument. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims. I just did a quick search. 19 countries *don't* routinely arm their police. Apparently murder by fire arms is lower in all those countries. Those countries also routinely have 'policing by consent '. Don't come on here with your facts that don't fit the argument. " Sorry. I really ought to know better... | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims. I just did a quick search. 19 countries *don't* routinely arm their police. Apparently murder by fire arms is lower in all those countries. Those countries also routinely have 'policing by consent '. Don't come on here with your facts that don't fit the argument. Sorry. I really ought to know better..." Sit down and give yourself a good talking to young lady!!!! | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"Police are routinely armed in most other Countries. Can’t see the problem with UK police being armed. The present policy is outdated and not for purpose If we arm all police as a matter of routine, criminals will up their weapons accordingly, as a matter of routine. I don't believe the police are routinely armed (all of the time) in "most" other counties. An armed police response would not have saved casualties in this instance, the police arrived after the attacks. The unarmed officers prevented more victims. I just did a quick search. 19 countries *don't* routinely arm their police. Apparently murder by fire arms is lower in all those countries. Those countries also routinely have 'policing by consent '. Don't come on here with your facts that don't fit the argument. Sorry. I really ought to know better... Sit down and give yourself a good talking to young lady!!!! "I was going to give myself a written warning  | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. " Exactly. He was tasered, so at least he survives to face justice. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. Exactly. He was tasered, so at least he survives to face justice." What about the 2 police officers that had their arms and hands practically chopped off ? Would having a weapon not have been helpful to them ? | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. Exactly. He was tasered, so at least he survives to face justice. What about the 2 police officers that had their arms and hands practically chopped off ? Would having a weapon not have been helpful to them ? " Does having a weapon stop the police from being wounded in the line of duty in other countries? Evie | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. Exactly. He was tasered, so at least he survives to face justice. What about the 2 police officers that had their arms and hands practically chopped off ? Would having a weapon not have been helpful to them ? " I expect they had weapons, a baton or similar. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"What about the 2 police officers that had their arms and hands practically chopped off ? Would having a weapon not have been helpful to them ? " Probably not. He ambushed one officer. Unknown how the other was injured. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
"They should have put a bullet in him straight away But they didn't need too. The police came and did their job and I for one am glad they did so without the use of guns. I do not want to live in a society that believes lethal force is the way to go. Exactly. He was tasered, so at least he survives to face justice. What about the 2 police officers that had their arms and hands practically chopped off ? Would having a weapon not have been helpful to them ? Does having a weapon stop the police from being wounded in the line of duty in other countries? Evie " Too many people base their understanding/reality on watching SWAT or playing Call of Duty, with no idea what it takes to actually shoot someone. The number of times I've seen people say "they can shoot to wound" or "he wouldn't be attacked if the policeman had a gun" shows some people have no idea of reality and watch too much telly. | |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| |||
| Reply privately | Reply in forum | Reply +quote |
| Post new Message to Thread |
| back to top |  |
