FabSwingers.com forum: What should illegal immigrants be entitled to?

By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Thinking about actually what illegal immigrants should expect from the UK to support them while they are in the country.

Do you think they should be entitled to medical care, legal help, bank accounts, driving licences, housing, education, financial assistance or privacy?

What would you allow them?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada.

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

Send them to afghanistan and in return their families get a roof, and enough money to feed themselves

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada. "

What about bread and water???

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Ok to clarify illegals that claim asylum!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

fuck all is what they should get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My sister split from her hubby a few years back and had to stay with me till she saved for a bond on a private house as the council would not re home her, she was 36 at the time and worked all her life and paid into the country, if she cant get a home why the hell should they

A ticket home, thats all they should get

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A one way ticket back to where they came from.

I have no sympathies for economic migrants. If their own countries are so bad why do we keep sending money in foreign aid? Send 'em luggage instead, tell 'em to fookin move!... just not here.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada.

What about bread and water???

unless they can pay for it nope, if they are illegal they shouldn't be here, if they weren't here we wouldn't need to give em bread or water, this doesnt apply to genuine cases, just the illegals

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My hubby's company had a foreign driver in the other day, foreigners found in the trailer, immigration came out, there were 2 adults and a child in the back, the child was so nervous she literally wet herself, bread and water to the child, but the adults I say know exactly what they are doing.

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

So no one want to take one in for xmas?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"My hubby's company had a foreign driver in the other day, foreigners found in the trailer, immigration came out, there were 2 adults and a child in the back, the child was so nervous she literally wet herself, bread and water to the child, but the adults I say know exactly what they are doing."

nah im going to sofen up on this one, any child should be put into the care of social services and treat the same as any other child, warm bed, clean clothes and 3 meals a day, till they are sorted to go home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The Governments going to let them in the country and there's nothing that can be done about that, Tony Blair opened the doors of the UK and he's made an arse of it, the country is soft on immigration.

However if they are still coming in the only way they should be allowed in is first and foremost that they have to speak the Queens language...English.

If not then fuck off....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"nah im going to sofen up on this one, any child should be put into the care of social services and treat the same as any other child, warm bed, clean clothes and 3 meals a day, till they are sorted to go home"

I understand and fully appreciate the sentiment behind you saying this, but if it became common knowledge that IF you enter the UK illegally then automatically what happens is that you are refused entry, no food/water, and instantly deported then perhaps it would slow the flood of illegal attempts to enter the country?

I would NEVER want a child to suffer, but the first responsibilty for that child is the parents, if they choose to ignore it should we pay for their arrogance/ignorance?

no easy answer,

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Well children shouldn’t suffer but unfortunately they do in many places in the world. Prob lies is some of these buggers sneaking in know we have a heart and use that for a leg up and so bring kids with them on purpose!!!

So kids stay and parents get deported? Or both?

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By *ickmealloverWoman
over a year ago

a very plush appartment off junt 7 M5

BFH

bus fare home

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would NEVER want a child to suffer, but the first responsibilty for that child is the parents, if they choose to ignore it should we pay for their arrogance/ignorance?

no easy answer,

but a lot of parents in this country choose to ignor their responsibilitys and child are put into care, we also foot the bill for that, children should never be made to suffer because of their parents mistakes no matter where they come from, and of course what you have to remember is a lot of people that come into this country are running away from really hard lifes, im not saying that its ok to run here but what i am saying is they believe they are offering their children a better life not ignoring their responsibilitys, if you lived in a country where you feared for your lifes, had no food etc how far would you go to protect your children?

Im not saying open the doors and let them in because at the end of the day we cant afford them but i do feel for some of them when they feel its the only option they have, and regardless the children should never suffer

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well children shouldn’t suffer but unfortunately they do in many places in the world. Prob lies is some of these buggers sneaking in know we have a heart and use that for a leg up and so bring kids with them on purpose!!!

So kids stay and parents get deported? Or both?

they should stay together either way

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

So kids stay and parents get deported? Or both?

they should stay together either way"

Well give em an xmas dinner and put them on a coach on the 26th then i think.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I understand, and I agree, bad parents in this country should not be absolved of their responsibilities either, and you are right, the child shouldn't suffer, but if it continues the way it is, then the temptation for some is too great to resist, ( the reward of getting into the UK is obvious, the penalty is currently free food/ accomodation/while you use free lawyers to argue asylum for perhaps 3 years while you and I pay for it all )

IF the penalties were more severe/barbaric even, perhaps fewer will attempt it, therefore fewer will end up in the situation in the first place.

I wish there was an easy answer, but there simply isnt

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I wish there was an easy answer, but there simply isnt

you right there isn't, its just one of them things that makes your blood boil on one hand but the compassion in you cant help but sneak out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This Country has a moral duty to take care of Asylum seekers and we should do everything we can to help them.

However, an Asylum Seeker is someone who arrives in Britain from a country where thier lives are in danger, ie direct from a conflict in Bosnia, Afghanistan, Nigeria etc. If however they have left the danger zone and are entering the country from somewhere like France they should no longer be classed as an Asylum Seeker and be categorised as someone applying for Immigrancy.

Having reached a safe country like France there is no longer the danger aspect to thier life and they cannot be classed as in need of Asylum.

An Immigrant should therefore only be considered for entry into this country if they have something to offer, a trades person needed by the Country ie Doctors, Nurses, skilled crafstmen etc.

We have many Army training camps which are unused in this country, they could be prepared to hold the immigrants whilst we help them find housing (at thier own expense) and jobs.

The training camps are equipped with classrooms, accommodation, central cooking facilities and everything else needed to give the immigrants a reasonable standard of living during thier transistion into the country.

A civilian force should be recruited to work in these areas, English teachers, Doctors, Cooks etc but the main workforce should be recruited from within the immigrant population itself and minimum wage should be paid to them. Work within the transistion area can be found for all those applying for immigration, grounds need to be maintained, food can be grown, accommodation repaired and painted through to skilled work such as translators, teachers helping those who don't already speak English learn more and so on. This way they can be self sufficient self supporting to a great extent.

This in itself would deter those who have no other wish to come to Britain than "live for free" and encourage those who genuinly wish to settle here move on from the transition area to usefull paid employment in the communities.

Strict rules should be imposed on all immigrants wishing to enter the country as they are in such places as the USA and Austrailia, ie break the law and be repatriated to your country of origin.

Illegal immigrants found to be already abiding in the UK should be sent to the units for immigration consideration and any assets they have acquired in the UK frozen until thie status as an immigrant either given or refused.

Asylum seekers as said before are those in danger of abuse, torture or being killed in the Country they have arrived from and may need a lot more assistance, I would like to think that we could help these people and I would like to think we would get help if we were in the same situation.

Another thing that would help in this area and in other areas is the return of

National Service

No not into the armed forces, the British Army doesn't want them, but into a Civilian Assistance Force, a force which can be trained to help in times of need, trained to use Green Goddess fire engines (excellent in pumping water from flood areas as well as putting out fires) trained in first aid, trained to organise relief efforts in times of extreme natural problems like exceptional snowfalls, flooding etc.

Entry into the Force should be exempt for all school leavers who have a place in further education or have secured a job. those who have no job to go to, no further education position or who become unemployed for a 6 month period can assist in the Force, learn trades, learn boot camp style discipline and respect etc.

And of course they can help run the immigration facility Units.

Well that's what I think anyway

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Maybe the same rights and benefits we would get in there Country of origin!!

The English like to be fair [or seen to be]

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe the same rights and benefits we would get in there Country of origin!!

The English like to be fair [or seen to be]"

I see where your coming from and that would be very fair, but wouldn't solve the problem, many would continue to enter and work illegally and be less likely to risk rejection by going through the legal immigration system as there are no benefits to them in doing so.

We need to discourage illegal entry and encourage applications, applications can be refused to undesireables but encourage those we need to emmigrate here and we do need certain people to come to Britain.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

My friend met and married an asylum seeker

he goes back to his country of origin for holidays now... still hasn't managed to explain that one fully to me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe the same rights and benefits we would get in there Country of origin!!

The English like to be fair [or seen to be]"

Indeed, exactly what they would get in their own country of origin.

If they can get a free; house, money, health care (A&E free), Education, they can get help with them here.

This would give them what they would have got at their home country, but live in a much more tolerant, openish, safer country.

I think that would end a lot of the economic migrants masquerading as asylum seekers.

Oh and if they can't prove who they are or where they are from, they get the benefits of the country with the least benefits...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I like a lot of your ideas Jedandsasha, to be honest the only thing that really riles me about all of this is the fact these people have more rights than we do !

Having been in the position of needing help myself (won't go into details) and finding it just doesn't exist then hearing stories of people illegally entering MY country and being given a safe environment, housing, money, etc etc it makes my blood boil...........xx

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yes it is infuriating and we don't know or need to know the circumstances of your own needs at the time, but what we are saying is those that have true Asylum status have great needs indeed, these are people who will be tortured, abused or killed in thier own country.

We do not believe that those simply seeking to come to this country to better themselves and offering needed services to this country should recieve any financial assistance, priority housing or help etc and only permitted entry if they have something to offer that this country needs.

Perhaps then we could give more help to the legal occupants of this country who need our help from time to time.

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By *irtydanMan
over a year ago

Blackpool

a plane ticket home can you think about what would happen to us if we turned up there ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I like a lot of your ideas Jedandsasha, to be honest the only thing that really riles me about all of this is the fact these people have more rights than we do !

xx"

thats the one that always gets me, as i said in a earlier post my sister split from her hubby and because the council wouldnt re home her she moved in with me, now at the time there was me, my husband who i was then living with and our 3 children, in a 3 bedroomed house, she moved in with her 3 children so there was 3 adults and 6 kids in one 3 bedroomed house, in our area there is a lot of immigrants and when i say a lot i mean you walk round asda and noone speaks english in ther anymore lol yet they are given housing and they wouldnt put 9 of them in one 3 bedroomed house either as that would be classed as over crouded, yet they was happy to leave us all like that, English people who had worked all our adult lifes and paid into the country, while she saved for a deposit for a private house

How can that possibly be right?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"If they are illegal, nothing, zip, zero, nada. "

Too polite - fuck all...but me thinks the OP is just looking to start trouble here ... oh well!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

if they are illegal, they entitled to nowt.....

if they legal, they entitled to a warm welcome..

same as any UK national would be welcome in foreign lands if they are legal.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

who should get a plane ticket home ?

Illegal immigrants ?

Asylum seekers ?

Immigrants who arrive and apply to live in this country legally ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Something we should remember.

Many imigrants in the UK are Irish, Many are Indian, there are others, New Zealanders, Austrailians, Canadians, Polish and so on.

People from these countries died in thier thousands defending Great Britain, the Polish were the very first nation ever to come to the aid of Britain in a time of war.

Indians especially Sikhs fought and died at Monte Casino side by side with the British Army, the Polish Brigade, a Canadian Battalion and many more nations there to help the people of Britain.

I don't think there has ever been a war in which there were not Irish Regiments made up of Irishmen from the South fighting for Britain.

Who decides who has a right to live and work in this country, should we deny the right to the people who are willing to die for us ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have hit the nail on the head there - those that are willing and able to live and WORK in this country !!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Something we should remember.

Many imigrants in the UK are Irish, Many are Indian, there are others, New Zealanders, Austrailians, Canadians, Polish and so on.

People from these countries died in thier thousands defending Great Britain, the Polish were the very first nation ever to come to the aid of Britain in a time of war.

Indians especially Sikhs fought and died at Monte Casino side by side with the British Army, the Polish Brigade, a Canadian Battalion and many more nations there to help the people of Britain.

I don't think there has ever been a war in which there were not Irish Regiments made up of Irishmen from the South fighting for Britain.

Who decides who has a right to live and work in this country, should we deny the right to the people who are willing to die for us ?"

humm not really sure you can use that for an argument, if your saying we should let certain people in because in years gone by their ancestors have defended us does that mean we put a big 'fuck of Germans' sign on the door? lol

They've never dont bugger all for us but does that mean we treat them any differently?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Plus lol

England have helped out a lot of other countrys during wars, infact we still are

But what country opens its flood gates and lets us in and supports us for free?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No, sorry I didn't mean it that way it is meant as part of my other posts on the subject, and in reference to those who believe that nobody seems to have a right to come here.

But I believe that if, as in the past, people are willing to come here and be British, work and fight for Britain it has to be taken into consideration.

In the case of the Irish for instance, if we say no to them coming here do we also throw out those that are already here and have lived and worked here for many years, or the Sikh's and Jamaicans who came here at our request.

What I think is that immigration law needs to be re-vamped and brought into the 21st century.

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By *prite128Woman
over a year ago

maidstone

""Illegal immigrants found to be already abiding in the UK should be sent to the units for immigration consideration and any assets they have acquired in the UK frozen until thie status as an immigrant either given or refused ""

We already hold many of the illegal migrant entrants to the uk , including many seeking asylum in detention centres ...now called Removal centres . These are contracted out from the Home Office and run by the prison service or other private security companies. A person claiming asylum can be detained in such a place from the beginning of their claim, or at any pint during it.

They are like prisons, and will contain mainly men but will also contain accompanied children under 18 and women. Unaccompanied minors cant be detained in removal centres , nor can pregnant women ( unless for very short periods of time ) or people with disabilities. From 17 and a half unaccompanied minors can be taken into "custody" at any time, often not even allowed back to their temporary residence to collect their belongings, if there is a feeling they may abscond ( justified or not )

sure, we all know the stories of the people who are getting the world compared to ourselves or our needier neighbours. And yes, everyone makes decisions in their lives, and the UK is seen as a better option than the lives many of these people have in their country of origin.

But lets not fool ourselves that this is the situation for the vast majority .Most now will not make it in, and will spend their time here awaiting a decision and deportation. Have a look at the stats for the last reportable quarter ...about 5,000 seeking asylum and about 17,000 deported. The Daily Mail doesnt put that on the front page does it !

if anyone would really like to see what its like , particularly for a child in one such facility..come and spend a day at work with me . Your eyes may be opened a little.

Sprite - knowing her views will probably be the least popular on this thread but are at least informed by her experience , both as a professional and as a hugely neglected recipient of our own benefits system at a time of great need

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

having seen children held in an immigration removal centre it is no place for a child!! but what is the solution?? house the families then awake them with a dawn raid and deport them? seperate them from their parents and put them in a care settin bursting at the seams with hardly anyone who can speak their language or understand culture??

benefits and welfare are needing serious reforms. asylum seekers get less in benefits than a uk national and the council housing is normally the ones no one else will take ie sighthill towerblocks in glasgow etc.

Britains history of immigration goes back to after ww2 when we were short of workers and had to recruit from abroad and then they werent informed or entitled to welfare and although it has changed slightly today its not much.

if people are fleeing persecution then fair enough but if people are coming into the country with no intention of supporting themselfs then yes they should be deported along with the ones who want to change Britain to suit their ideas. when in rome do as the romans.

can very many of us say we are true british?? im 1/4 scots 1/4 polish 1/4 irish and 1/4 of unknown!!

the media scaremongers a lot and there is no doubt immigration policy needs looked at urgently to assist the genuine and the skilled into the country.

send the hate mail to the usual address please!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

ok sprite, point taken and throughout my posts I have supported the immigrants and especially the genuine asylum seekers, but, illegal immigrants are in this country illegal and have broken our laws, should they not be treated like lawbreakers, if they choose to put thier families in this position should they not pay the price ?

Or should they have followed the correct procedure and applied to come into the country with a valid visa before arriving here and breaking the law ?

Should they get different rights to those that live here legally but break the law and not be confined ?

The other post mentionin Britains immigration system during WW2

How many people realise that almost all Ukranians currently living in Britain are here because Britain allowed a whole Battalion of Ukranian SS soldiers to come here after the war, it was felt that deporting them to Russia would mean sending them to thier deaths, allowing them to stay in the Ukraine where they had committed many atrocities on thie rown people for the German Nazi party that recruited them would have meant they would be killed, so we took them in as Asylum seekers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the poster who mentioned Poland helping us out during the war!!!!!!

Pleasse read why britain decleared war in 1939.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

they may as well be given anything they want

to suggest otherwise pressumes there is something worth protecting

the EU now have an open door policy so that millions of ( legal ) migrants pour in from anywhere in the EU they want

also there are thousands and thousands of people from all over the world claiming ( and getting ) political asylumn

and where do they arrive at ?

a multicultural society that has welcoming arms

so ............. NOW ............. to gripe , or complain about a few illegals seems ludicrous

even if an illegal is stoped in the street , all they need do is to have thrown there passport away and the authoritys are snookered

no ............ forget those nostalgic memorys of nice clean streets and well kept houses with hanging baskets

the UK is now a dirty grimey overpopulated and poluted dump , where people are pouring in because they can make many times what they were earning in there own country by either working in the most awfull sweat shop , mc donalds , or claiming benifit

its like a tramp that has been sleeping rough for 6 months , complaining the crease in his trousers isnt sharp

its too late now to worry about bolting the stable door , the stable is full of horses that have bolted IN

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I know why Britain declared war in 1939 that doesn't negate the fact that Polish troops fought at Monte Casino with many other Commonwealth countries nor that they parachuted into Arnhem to assist the 2nd Parachute Regiment or that they flew Spitfires in the Battle of Britain and sailed on convoys from Scapa flow to Russia and many other campaigns

It doesn't make a difference to them being our first allies who came to our aid in the Crimean War and again in the Napoleonic wars

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ship them back as soon as they come through the uk ports if they are illegal. Asylum should be sort in the first westerns country not after going through 3 or 4 to get to England.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

Most mainland European contries don't care where illegal immigrants/ asylum seekers go - just so long as they go somewhere else.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They should be entitiled to a trip back to their country of origin, the cost of which should be recovered from that country's government

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

If, as someone has suggested above, they arrive without documentation; how do you know where to send them back to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First of all I'd ask them and if they didn't tell me, I'd send them to France. Nothing could be worse than that, they'll soon confess and plead to go back home.

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By *eordiesCouple
over a year ago

newcastle

People from within the EU, excepting certain catorgories of late joining Countries can't be classed as asylum seekers or illeagle immigrants. They have a perfect right to be here and find work. As I would have if I chose to go to Poland for instance, and quite right too !! A peaceful united Europe is so much better than the Europe of much of the last two hundred years.

However, I believe that there should be a referendum held in which the British people are asked "how many asylum seekers should this Country accept every year?"

A series of tick boxes would do it;

up to 1,000,000

up to 100,000

up to 10,000

up to 1,000

Also, I would like a referendum to ask "should any person not born in this Country face automatic deportation (after serving jain time) if found guilty of any criminal activity?"

That means any activity for which the sentance can be jail time, not parking offences, speeding etc.

Bet any political party which had those in their manifesto would get a big boost in the polls.

John

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By *prite128Woman
over a year ago

maidstone

"ok sprite, point taken and throughout my posts I have supported the immigrants and especially the genuine asylum seekers, but, illegal immigrants are in this country illegal and have broken our laws, should they not be treated like lawbreakers, if they choose to put thier families in this position should they not pay the price ?

Or should they have followed the correct procedure and applied to come into the country with a valid visa before arriving here and breaking the law ?

Should they get different rights to those that live here legally but break the law and not be confined ?

The other post mentionin Britains immigration system during WW2

my point, in part, was that many many ayslum seekers are treated in the same way as illegal immigrants and held in removal centres until their claims are processed. Are we saying everyone of these has committed a crime..have the children committed crimes ? yet they are held in prison like conditions.

jed, you yourself said in your well written post that you hoped those geuninely seeking asylum would be treated with compassion and differently from those who are deliberately trying to exploit the system ( i'm having to paraphrase here ) but the reality is we dont really ...not in the majority of cases, and in my eyes thats wrong and there should be that distinction .

i did say i didnt expect my views to be in the majority lol

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"First of all I'd ask them and if they didn't tell me, I'd send them to France. Nothing could be worse than that, they'll soon confess and plead to go back home.

The French would just 'lose' them and they'd be back over in a couple of days.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If they hav'nt come to the UK direct from there home countries by plane or boat then kick em back across the channel!!!

Theres far far to many crossing countless boarders to reach here as we're seen as a soft touch....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Give them sweet F A....We cant even look after our own in this country!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Any asylum seekers should by law be made to apply for asylum in their home country, most are economic migrants

how can it be justified while so many out of work we let in even 1 economic migrant !!!!!

our troops are being maimed and killed in afganistan we spend billions on that country costing the people of this country thousands of jobs yet still we let in afgan asylum seekers

CRAZY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

SOME and i emphasise some of our unemployed arent willing to work for the national minimum wage in some of the industries ie farming (tattie howking) or fish gutting or other hard work so the economic migrants come and do those jobs that we wont do. the welfare state has shot itself in the foot here why work 40 hrs a wk to pay rent council tax etc when u can stay at home and get them paid??

there are some genuine asylum seekers who have been persecuted in their own country and who want to work, settle in british life etc but they get the name of the miniority who are here for devious reasons. its the never ending arguement who decides who stays who decides who goes? xx

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By *rouble and strifeCouple
over a year ago

Nr Glasgow

and i thought we lived in a cristian society

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"and i thought we lived in a cristian society"

Hah!

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By *renchswingersCouple
over a year ago

St Austell

If they arrive at the ports on the south coast (as the vast majority do) then they should be sent straight back to where they've come from, FRANCE! We lived in France for the past 5 years and our neighbours said the UK is a Soft touch. In France, if you want anything from the state you have to read write and speak French. No ifs, no buts, learn or starve! If you don't like it, the UK is "That way"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Give them sweet F A....We cant even look after our own in this country!!!"

this is the bit that always gets me, even in this day and age there are abused and neglected children roaming the streets, living on the streets at times, mentally ill people with no support because the goverment closed most of the mental care homes down in the 80s/90s, people being evicated because they cant afford their bills anymore and whole familys being forced to live in 1 room hostels surely to god before we help out other countries people who live in hard conditions we should be looking after our own, instead of housing people from other countries how about re housing the thousand that live on the streets here? before we put money into the pockets of immigrants how about we put it back into the sytem, that obviuosly dont work and needs help, to help the children here whos calls for help are being ignored because of under founding of the social services, the list of help we need over here is endless, and i just cant justify spending money on people from other countries in any way till our own problems are sorted

sorry if that sounds heartless but its just the way i feel

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

FUCK EM

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By *ayc_BigballsMan
over a year ago

Derby

"and i thought we lived in a cristian society"

erm, i think we live in a society that has christians in it.

People dont have to be christians to be seen as good people. im personally agnostic. And im glad that someone took the time to clarify that Illegal immigrants are not the same as asylum seekers.

what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"If they arrive at the ports on the south coast (as the vast majority do) then they should be sent straight back to where they've come from, FRANCE! We lived in France for the past 5 years and our neighbours said the UK is a Soft touch. In France, if you want anything from the state you have to read write and speak French. No ifs, no buts, learn or starve! If you don't like it, the UK is "That way" "

As you rightly say the French won't tolerate a lot of the stuff the UK put up with but that just encourages illegal immigrants to try to get back across the channel. Remember Sangatte 'refugee' camp?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

and it waws the Brits that went to the aid of the Poles NOT THE OTHER WAY ROUND

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"..........what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living?"

Give them free internet access and get them on sites like this.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

what should we do with the lazy b******s that are born in this country and refuse to wrok for a living?"

ah now thats a totally different subject to which id be more than give my opinion about

but i think we should stick to the topic lol

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

well thats a good statement coming from someone who has chosen to be on the site but has a sanctimonious attitude about it??? wee split personality there jim???

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By *hemadcoupleCouple
over a year ago

cardiff

Give them an initiation test. If it is a couple and the wife is as fit as fuck, scrub her up and send them off to the local swingers' club on a single guys' night, for an initiation into "British Culture".

If they love it, let 'em stay and give 'em Fabs membership. If she freaks out, let them work at the local chippy until they've earned enough to pay for a ticket home. After that experience they'll be glad to.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"well thats a good statement coming from someone who has chosen to be on the site but has a sanctimonious attitude about it??? wee split personality there jim???

You're confusing someone who refuses to work for a living with someone who no longer needs to

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By *eakcoupleCouple
over a year ago

peak district

Here's what they should be entitled to:

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

umm nope im not cause i dont know your personal circumstance and u dont know mine or anyone else's but your statement looked like you were sayin that all the site members were unemployed?? have i read it wrong if i have i apologise if i havent then i dont!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would go to the end of the earth to give my kids a better life. The people that come in put something back into society can stay the ones who take the piss which a lot do can go home. Saying that i think they should close the borders and let England breath again. Too much strain on resources and we can't cope.

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

I'm not suggesting for one minute that all members are unemployed. Some folks do seem to be on the site rather a lot.

As for other folks circumstances; sometimes it's impossible not to know - either as a result of posts made, PMs sent or meetings

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over a year ago

"I would go to the end of the earth to give my kids a better life. The people that come in put something back into society can stay the ones who take the piss which a lot do can go home. Saying that i think they should close the borders and let England breath again. Too much strain on resources and we can't cope."

I agree totally here. some of you need to put your selves in other people shoes for once grrrrrrr

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over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I'm not suggesting for one minute that all members are unemployed. Some folks do seem to be on the site rather a lot.

The joys of modern technology,wireless internet an laptops hehe...

Oh! p.s being self employed is always a bonus!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Thinking about actually what illegal immigrants should expect from the UK to support them while they are in the country.

Do you think they should be entitled to medical care, legal help, bank accounts, driving licences, housing, education, financial assistance or privacy?

What would you allow them?

A SODDING BOAT BACK FECKING OME!!!!!

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By *imfromGlasgowMan
over a year ago

er...guess

"I'm not suggesting for one minute that all members are unemployed. Some folks do seem to be on the site rather a lot.

The joys of modern technology,wireless internet an laptops hehe...

Oh! p.s being self employed is always a bonus!"

Retirement has much to commend it too.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I agree totally here. some of you need to put your selves in other people shoes for once grrrrrrr "

yes i also agree but we simply cant let everyone in who wants a better life, if they keep letting people in at this rate there will be no jobs for our kids to go to in the future and it will be us who are looking else where to live, its ok being compassionate but what about our children, we have to look to the future for them and they need decent homes and job and there will simply be none left at this rate, its already hard enough for young people to get good jobs and afford decent housing think what it would be like in 30 years time if we just let anyone in which a hard life story and a child, ask yourself whos futures more important your child or theirs?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The hospitals are over run, schools are over run, police over stretched. Enoch Powell was spot on in what he said.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The hospitals are over run, schools are over run, police over stretched. Enoch Powell was spot on in what he said."

*run for the hills* lmao

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

have you ever actually read that full speech??? pin up boy for the bnp!!!! u know somethings bad when even the tories kick it out!!

got to admire the power of the mass media for convincing so many people that everything that is wrong with this country is due to immgiration or asylum seekers! i hope to god in 30 yrs my children hve got out of this country!

maybe i see things different becuase in the area i am there are hardly any immigrants or asylum seekers and most of the other ethnic races are in the posh private housing area x

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By *prite128Woman
over a year ago

maidstone

speechless ...but we all have a right to our opinions and im glad for the insight ..it comes in useful at times.

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By *he_original_poloWoman
over a year ago

a Primark shoebox in Leicester

"Thinking about actually what illegal immigrants should expect from the UK to support them while they are in the country.

Do you think they should be entitled to medical care, legal help, bank accounts, driving licences, housing, education, financial assistance or privacy?

What would you allow them?

What is it you think 'illegal immigrants' are currently given?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

When we stopped off at Singapore on route to NZ, we were chatting about this very issue with a local. He said that illegal immigrants aren't only sent back to where they came from, they're dressed in brightly coloured boiler suits and made to do manual work until they've earned enough money to pay for the plane fare!!

Sounds like a plan to me

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sprite, I agree, genuine asylum seekers should not be held in "prison like" conditions, the camps I suggested included educational facilities, decent accommodation (good enough for us to house the British Army in) no warders or guards were mentioned but only people who could assist them especially recruited from within thier own ranks.

But those who have broken the law ie entered the country illegally or simply "jumped on a boat from Calais are a different category and for whatever moral reason broken the laws of this country, because of thier situation in this country ie illegal and unable to claim the benefits some suggest are being given out like free lottery tickets they are forced into a life of crime, prostitution or underpaid work, so we would actually be helping them by taking care of them in a manner which would not cause the British public to despise them.

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

What about a sponsor an illegal campaign, for £2 a month you could sponsor an illegal from a country of your choice....and when he's eventually caught...you get to go to Heathrow and wave him off.....

C'mon somebody must be up for it...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question ..................

Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ?

The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ?

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question ..................

Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ?

The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ?

Does it have to be someones fault?...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Turned on my twatnav n it dragged me screaming into this thread !

Zeig Heil !

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Kills me ankles clicking them like that ....

Where do we burn the books ?

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question ..................

Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ?

The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ?

Does it have to be someones fault?...

If you want someone to blame for todays dilemma's....then you should blame every single government the british people have voted for since 1945...and the good news is....you cant change a thing about it....

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By *ishful.thinkingWoman
over a year ago

east london

I’ve tried to avoid commenting on this thread all day as I felt what I had to add would be contentious (as I know I’m a bleeding hearted liberal) but here goes anyways.

I have so so much: a home that’s warm, safe and filled with laughter, enough food to feed us and assess to medical care as I need it.

I have a wonderful health, well educated daughter who thinks the world is there for her to grab with both hands and hold on for the ride of her life.

I have a wonderful supportive circle of family and friends who I rarely have to ask for anything, its volunteered before that.

I have a job that I love and find fulfilling.

I look forward to each day as something or someone will bring a smile to my face.

I don’t wake up to my child crying with hunger, wondering can I feed her today, can I afford the medicine she needs to ease her pain or keep her alive, will they step on mines as they work in the fields, are they been poisoned by the chemicals in the factories, is there someone to look after them if something happens to me.

How can I deny this piece of mind to everyone else, what makes me so special that I deserve this over or above others – an accident of birth – I was lucky enough to be born in a location that allows me access to all of this and I’ve worked bloody hard to get here.

I live in one of the poorest and most ethnically diverse neighbourhoods in London with a large % of asylum seekers and “illegal immigrants” and the vast majority want to work, want to contribute, want to become part of our society. In many cases it’s the regulations that keep them on the fringe and draw attention to their situation.

I have relative peace of mind when it comes to my daughters physical, emotional and social wellbeing - yeah I’d like to be able to get her into a better school, buy her the “trendy clothes”, not have to work full time etc but these issues pale into insignificance when I talk to others about their experiences. My job requires me to travel abroad on occasion and I’ve seen first hand the conditions a large percentage of the worlds population live in and I’ve found it distressing and upsetting.

For me and here I stress ME the issue is not what they should be entitled to, its how or what can I do to help make their transition easier. I came over here in 95 and found the transition difficult and our cultures are similar, I speak English as a first language and I was accepted. How can I not accept or at least try to make this transition a bit easier for others.

I have a simple motto in life- do what little good you can as you go along and hope the recipient finds themselves in a position to pass it on some day in the future.

Wishing everyone a peaceful festive season full of happiness, laughter and warmth.

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"SOME and i emphasise some of our unemployed arent willing to work for the national minimum wage in some of the industries ie farming (tattie howking) or fish gutting or other hard work so the economic migrants come and do those jobs that we wont do. the welfare state has shot itself in the foot here why work 40 hrs a wk to pay rent council tax etc when u can stay at home and get them paid??

those migrants that come here to work in the fields all day for very very low wages will not do that from the age of 18 untill they are 65

they will want to better themselves

and they are able to do that because there not STUPID just because they work in the fields

some have very prostigious quallifications and as soon as possible want to move up the ladder

so when your at your desk in your airconditioned office tapping away at your computer doing a bit of grafic designing at 40 or 60 K per year be very carefull to look over your shoulder at the new boy at the desk opposite , because he will be doing your job for half the wages

and then look through the window into your bosses office and watch him shuffling papers as he wonders how he can get shot of YOU

it is a myth that low paid workers benifit the system , because they still quallify for NHS , hospital and dentist treatment , and there children have to be educated at great expense as they dont speak english and need special treatment

also even though they are on very low wages , they send as much as possible to there relatives in there country of origin

the only person to benifit is the person that employs them

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"OK as I stated before I don't do politics etc etc so genuine question ..................

Who's fault is it that we now live in not just a multi cultural country but a country where in a lot of instances you are discriminated against if you are British ?

The fact that our own laws and traditions etc have been bent or changed to accomodate those who are 'different' for want of a better phrase, is that caused by imigrants illegal or otherwise ?

in answer to this question , it is the point i was trying to make earlier

slowly over time people change there way of thinking about things

for example a few hundred years ago badger bateing , or bear bateing was not frowned upon at all , but now its banned , as is fox hunting , or hare coursing

things change over time as the way the majority of people think and feel

now the consencus of opinion is that school kids cant go on a coach trip with meat in there sandwitches , and the nativity is disscontinued , you have to be carefull to say CHALK board

when you say OUR laws have been bent or changed , you have to remember that they are also the laws of the now settled migrants ( be they legal or not )

you only need look in the houses of paliament , or the house of lords , or indeed the local councils etc , to see many many of them are , multicultural

so it might be a hard pill to swallow , but those people that are " different " as you called them are in fact ......... US ... you and me

theres no such thing anymore as a ( british ) person

they dont exist anymore

it seems to have just crept up on us , even though there was very famous speech made many years ago where we were warned there should be a great feeling of foreboding

but nobody listened

there have been things in other recent threads where people have said how wonderfull it is being in a multicultural society and at school swopping a corned beef sandwitch for an onion badgee ......... how jolly

well now were just going to have to like it or lump it im afraid

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

aye im sure there a que o people waiting for ma job all wearing the turban and speaking whatever language......... as for bettering themselves do we not all do that??

left school at 17 to go into factory redundancy courtesy of mr blair into next job self employed taxi driver working all hours for sod all went to college worked 5 jobs to pay for it left there worked in care for a while more pay more stress went to uni and so the story continues everyone whether they immigrant asylum seeker or british wants to better themselves! im white british so its ok????

i dont dispute british traditions are dyin off but some of them had to!

and our school does nativity and harvest festival but also dwahli excuse spelling.

nice to see alf garnet lives on in that good old british tradition!!

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By *uton_coupleCouple
over a year ago

luton

"aye im sure there a que o people waiting for ma job all wearing the turban and speaking whatever language......... as for bettering themselves do we not all do that??

i dont dispute british traditions are dyin off but some of them had to!

and our school does nativity and harvest festival but also dwahli excuse spelling.

nice to see alf garnet lives on in that good old british tradition!!

if you read what i wrote , i did not say it was wrong that a migrant should better themself , i was merely pointing out that they WILL better themself

AND GOOD LUCK TO THEM

it was in response to someone saying that they come here to do mundane jobs

and that is comprehensively not the case

the thrust of my arguement was that after working for many years in low paid , dangerous and filthy conditions , i had seen my situation improve with the advent of the 40 hour week ............... safety equiptment etc etc

now that is eroded with the influx of imigrants who will work 70 hours a week in the cold with no safety gear etc and at night sleep in a telephone box

nothing i have said can remotely asocciate me with ALF GARNET as i have neither said if it is a good thing we have a multicultural society or not

i have merely been pointing out the facts as i see them

i dont doubt for one minute they have a nativity in say the orkney islands , and even in most other parts of the highlands , but thats now

you wont have them in ten years time when you are as multicultural as we are down south

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Got real good friends from poland. She works as a nurse in local hospital. Her husband lorry driver. Working to give daughter better life own house mortgage pays taxes. Any medical treatment Daria needs takes her home to poland. She says better treatment back home.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just gonna say that a high percentage of all imigrants be they illegal or wanting help are intelligent well off people who have paid a lot of money already to make the journy to this Country.

A small percentage are just here to rip us off but they soon end up being deported back to where they came from cos they get caught out.

With these people comes new ideas skilled labour and a fresh outlook for those of us who already reside here.

Diversity is the backbone of this land and who amongst us cannot say they are not from stock that originally came from a land far away and so your forefathers were glad of the diverse attitudes of the then population of the Uk....Oh fuck it! kick the Bastards out...

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

I'm not sure the illegals bleed as much money out of this country, as the native inhabitants do.

But then the attitude can be its our country we can take what we want, its our right to take.....seems more want to take than want to give.

just a thought....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Immigrants are needed to work in the fields you know. Our youngsters wont pick peas or veg as its too hard work for them.

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By *umourCouple
over a year ago

Rushden

"Ship them back as soon as they come through the uk ports if they are illegal. Asylum should be sort in the first westerns country not after going through 3 or 4 to get to England."

I do agree with this, but just think a minute! All that will happen is one of the other EU countries will give them asylum and that would make them eligible to travel here legally!!

What we really need to do is scrap the current benefits system and make it that you can't get full benefits unless you have worked in the UK for at least two years, unless you are legitimately out of work and were born here!! That would sort the Chavs out too!!

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By *atisfy janeWoman
over a year ago

Torquay

Sorry but that's simply not correct, illegal immigrants in France are not starved or denied medical assistance if they cannot speak French.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ok feed them and listen to whats happened to them but if they are not really in the shit deport them within a month I say.

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By *inge61Couple
over a year ago

n/wales

dont even go there not had nothing off this country in the last 5 years after an accedent no sick no nothing and not allowed anything as the wife works full time ,send them back to where ever they come from i paid in to the systym they get the benafit

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

the same happened to women for years if your partner was working they supported you when you wouldnt work hence why the push is always on the "family unit" women worked for years paid insurance and tax then were not entitled to a pension etc because of their partner.

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

Who cares......if they take from the system....everybody else does, and the excuse of paying into the system for ten years then taking out for thirty....really doesnt wash....

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By *inge61Couple
over a year ago

n/wales

"Who cares......if they take from the system....everybody else does, and the excuse of paying into the system for ten years then taking out for thirty....really doesnt wash....

and what about paying in a reciveing nothing as a lot of people are in this sit ,do like the french do give them nothing this country should wake up

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By *eedshornycplsCouple
over a year ago

leeds

we cant stop importing deadwood whos going to work in handcar wash

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By *erekduvallCouple
over a year ago

swansea

nothing except a lift back,there shouldnt be assylum seekers here as they go through safer countries to get here.

a couple of years ago peeps moaned because they would go into a shop and hear welsh being spoke , now you cant walk down the street without hearing a foriegn language being spoken.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

don`t get me started on this subject, brits now have no freedom of speach in case it upsets other religions, and if they dont get what they want they sue for being victims of racism , mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm makes me mad and they wonder why people dont want them in this country

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If you were an illigal immigrant in their country of origin, how much would you get ????

sod all. jail probably and sent back.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Havent we got enough scroungers without the illigal immigrants invading us

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By *ig bad OP Man
over a year ago

Up North :-)

Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?"

We have Polish round here but they are legal and will do any job. Also got Somalians who are thieving and causing problems but they are illegals. And the work shy who wont get up in the morning apart to sign on. I would have the Poles out of those three any day.

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?"

Why not send our native british scroungers to a remote island and import people who would work for a living....The falkland islands are fairly empty.....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

most sense iv ever heard from you martin!!

obviously needs to be the work shy and not the people who cant work through illness/disability xx

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

"most sense iv ever heard from you martin!!

obviously needs to be the work shy and not the people who cant work through illness/disability xx"

Sorry if id known i was talking sense, id have written something else...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

yeah im worried about u??? u ok?? u making sense is very worryin?? is that you?? or has someone hacked your account...

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By *artin216Man
over a year ago

Spilsby

"yeah im worried about u??? u ok?? u making sense is very worryin?? is that you?? or has someone hacked your account...

Ok you caught me...im a hacker...my name is Vladimir Rostovossky.....i live in Siberia...wanna meet?....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should we do a swap though. Our scroungers for a couple of immigrants that will do the shitty jobs we dont want to?"

Ya swop em for someone who wants to work for a living most brits dont want to work just have 10 kids and live in a 5 bed council house. And have 2 holidays a year lazy sods

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