FabSwingers.com forum: MOT advice please.

By *ex-a-frolics OP Couple
35 weeks ago

Brizzle

We have a problem with a new van we purchased a year ago, it was booked in for MOT on Monday but the garage couldn’t do it, unlike our previous van this one’s class 7 & needs to go to a specialist test centre.

The MOT runs out Friday & we’ve got two appointments booked, ones tomorrow & ones Monday. If it goes tomorrow & passes it’s no issue, but if it fails it doesn’t leave much time to get it repaired for Friday when we’re using it all weekend.

I know we shouldn’t drive without an MOT but it’s our work & can’t be without it, I also know there’s no grace anymore.

If we don’t get it done tomorrow & we got caught we could tell & white lie & say we thought it ran out Monday & it’s booked in.

We’re not asking anybody’s permission to break the law & next year we’ll leave more time to get it done, but if there’s a lesser of two evils, is it to drive the van if it fails tomorrow, or cancel tomorrow & tell a white lie as it’s booked in Monday?

Thanks.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
35 weeks ago

Reading

Maybe rent a van?

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By *parkle1974Woman
35 weeks ago

Leeds

Hiring another would be the best option

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By *a LunaWoman
35 weeks ago

South Wales

Leave it booked in for tomorrow. If new it should pass without a hitch (fingers crossed). If not, hire a van for the weekend.

If you get caught with driving without a valid MOT I’m pretty sure it invalidates your insurance and you’ll get in big trouble. They won’t turn a blind eye. It could be points and a large fine.

They are doing a lot of vehicle checks down here so I personally wouldn’t risk it.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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35 weeks ago

East Sussex

Driving without an mot could invalidate your insurance.

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By *urnedoutniceagainMan
35 weeks ago

louth

If you are travelling to a pre booked MOT you can drive it whilst expired. The problem would come if you were to stopped and were nowhere near the testing station that you had booked.

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By *929Man
35 weeks ago

newcastle

Don’t cancel the first test as in the unlikely event you get pulled you are driving without mot regardless, not to encourage you but I’ve forgot loads of times sometimes going months with no mot and never been pulled not sure if it’s even a concern of the police or vosa?

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By *ex-a-frolics OP Couple
35 weeks ago

Brizzle

"Don’t cancel the first test as in the unlikely event you get pulled you are driving without mot regardless, not to encourage you but I’ve forgot loads of times sometimes going months with no mot and never been pulled not sure if it’s even a concern of the police or vosa? "

I know many people forget, we didn’t as we get text reminders so we don’t. The problems been having to find a different testing station.

I’ll report back tomorrow hopefully with a positive outcome.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

VOSA have been replaced by DVSA (driver and vehicle standards agency)

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
35 weeks ago

Glasgow / London

If it fails the MOT, and you can’t get it through a retest by Friday, then you have to postpone the weekend’s jobs. End of story.

If the tester literally tells you it isn’t safe to drive on the roads, then you go out and drive it on the roads anyway … besides being illegal, don’t you think that’s arrogant, and shows no regard for the safety of yourselves and others?

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By *uga40Man
35 weeks ago

Hemel Hempstead

"We have a problem with a new van we purchased a year ago, it was booked in for MOT on Monday but the garage couldn’t do it, unlike our previous van this one’s class 7 & needs to go to a specialist test centre.

I know we shouldn’t drive without an MOT but it’s our work & can’t be without it, I also know there’s no grace anymore.

If we don’t get it done tomorrow & we got caught we could tell & white lie & say we thought it ran out Monday & it’s booked in.

Thanks. "
hi hire one if need be or you could end up with six poibts and a fine and it invalidates insurance not worth the risk

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By *ris GrayMan
35 weeks ago

Dorchester

I know we shouldn’t drive without an MOT but it’s our work & can’t be without it, I also know there’s no grace anymore.

If we don’t get it done tomorrow & we got caught we could tell & white lie & say we thought it ran out Monday & it’s booked in.

Thanks. "
You can't beat the law of the land, in the polices eyes no MOT the van is not allowed on the road and therefore uninsured and not just that they can tell, its all electronic these days, so if you get pulled telling lies won't help, you may be lucky and pass.

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By *ris GrayMan
35 weeks ago

Dorchester

I know we shouldn’t drive without an MOT but it’s our work & can’t be without it, I also know there’s no grace anymore.

If we don’t get it done tomorrow & we got caught we could tell & white lie & say we thought it ran out Monday & it’s booked in.

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By *roadShoulderzMan
35 weeks ago

Petersfield

If the van fails its MoT tomorrow it would be because some issue or issues have made it unsafe.

If you knowingly drive it without getting it repaired is that fair on other road users? Also as others have said your insurance could be invalid.

The MoT test isn't just a paperwork nuisance....

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By *ools and the brainCouple
35 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

Look at it from another perspective OP.

How would you feel if a driver crashed into you and caused significant damage then discovered the driver was driving illegally without a valid MOT and insurance making a claim extremely difficult not to mention the safety implications.

If I'm honest I can't believe you are even considering it!

Losing one job Vs losing your licence it's a no brainer really.

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By *abioMan
35 weeks ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Driving without an mot could invalidate your insurance. "

There is no “could” about it…. It absolutely would invalidate your insurance

Where the police may give you some grace if you could absolutely prove it has been booked for the Monday, the insurance companies are not…

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By *cottish guy 555Man
35 weeks ago

London

If you get stopped it's not just a fine anymore. No MOT means no insurance which will mean it will be impounded and only released after you've paid the charges and prove that you are driving it straight from the impound yard to an MOT station.

With most cop cars having anpr and the multitude of cameras, I'm not sure that it's worth it.

Oh, and points for invalid insurance not to mention an increase in your premium and possibly it being cancelled.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
35 weeks ago

The Town by The Cross

You know what the answer should be, so I am not sure why you asked.

No MOT no insurance.

No MOT no assurance that the car is safe to drive.

Driving a car you are unsure about - greater possibility of an accident

Accident means you should have insurance to cover it .... but that doesn't help the person you just crashed into or them into you.

BUT ......... you don't have insurance cos you didn't have an MOT ...... fine , prison, shit food...... getting bummed in the shower..........

It'll pass tomorrow

Don't drive it if it fails.

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By *rsMistyPeaksWoman
35 weeks ago

Essex

Class 7? So it’s a massive weight?

Which is even more potential for significant harm to others if there’s a fault.

Class 7 - professional driving qualification required…. be professional.

And moral.

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By *eronikapaulCouple
35 weeks ago

Reading

Just to pour some fuel on the fire and maybe question whether arrogance is being accused, or in fact displayed, by some other than the OP... an Historic Vehicle (a road tax class) does not require an MOT for the good reason that the mot test updates in recent years have meant that the majority would automatically fail. They were not built to pass the current legislation and test, and the law simply requires that they are roadworthy to the standard of their time and not substantially modified. A good example of the latter would be a morris minor with a modern engine fitted. Nice idea, but it then requires an mot and the brakes wouldn't have passed the present test straight out of Cowley. So at least one responder would appear to view all users of historic vehicles as arrogant and with no responsibility for the safety of others. They haven't yet said otherwise.

Do please respond because this topic is yet more complicated and unless rather more wealthy and modern than the average Mr/mrs angry might find themselves on the wrong side of the debate.

SECONDS OUT! ROUND TWO!

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Class 7? So it’s a massive weight?

3 - 3.5 tonnes design gross weight

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By *rsMistyPeaksWoman
35 weeks ago

Essex

"Class 7? So it’s a massive weight?

3 - 3.5 tonnes design gross weight "

I should probably know that

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By *elix SightedMan
35 weeks ago

Cloud 8

"Class 7? So it’s a massive weight?

3 - 3.5 tonnes design gross weight

I should probably know that

I’d say you’re no more than two.

Sorry didn’t read the rest of the thread, what’s it about?

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By *ock69erMan
35 weeks ago

Middle o’ Fife

If the van was bought “new” last year it doesn’t need an mot.

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By *ealitybitesMan
35 weeks ago

Belfast

Haven't read most of the thread but you are lucky you don't live in Northern Ireland.

All MOT tests are carried out in government test centres and not in garages.

The average wait time for a test at the moment is claimed to be 72 days but is actually much longer.

Most people have to wait up to 3 months.

They operate 7 days a week but due to cracks in lifting gear in 2019 and now again in the last few weeks combined with more people holding on to vehicles longer because they can't afford to upgrade, this is the new norm.

We would love to be able to whinge about having to wait a few days to get a test.

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By *eronikapaulCouple
35 weeks ago

Reading

And in round two the attorney for the OP comes out not with more fuel but a small fire extinguisher...

There is a crucial distinction between forgetting your mot was due and continuing to drive a vehicle that has failed. In the second case you KNEW there was a fault and become wholly culpable when you continued to drive. In the first case a magistrate may well issue a 3 point fixed penalty as appropriate for forgetfulness but in the second it would be more severe because it was a deliberate act.

"The extinguisher is pocketed and replaced by a small but potent flamethrower"

It is therefore abundantly clear that if faced with a likely short term mot fail you are much better served to forget your expiry date. An exact whole month would be convincing.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Just to pour some fuel on the fire and maybe question whether arrogance is being accused, or in fact displayed, by some other than the OP... an Historic Vehicle (a road tax class) does not require an MOT for the good reason that the mot test updates in recent years have meant that the majority would automatically fail. They were not built to pass the current legislation and test, and the law simply requires that they are roadworthy to the standard of their time and not substantially modified. A good example of the latter would be a morris minor with a modern engine fitted. Nice idea, but it then requires an mot and the brakes wouldn't have passed the present test straight out of Cowley. So at least one responder would appear to view all users of historic vehicles as arrogant and with no responsibility for the safety of others. They haven't yet said otherwise.

Do please respond because this topic is yet more complicated and unless rather more wealthy and modern than the average Mr/mrs angry might find themselves on the wrong side of the debate.

SECONDS OUT! ROUND TWO!

Historic vehicles are MOT exempt but the owner can if they like have them MOT'd which they would be to today's standard. And if failed not be allowed to drive on the road until they past a mot. They are exempt not because they wouldn't pass todays standard but because mot 40+ year old vehicles are loved and cherished by owners who look after them, if left to wreck and ruin and driven on the road they can be stopped and have prohibition orders on them.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Lets all remember during covid mots were extended to reduce contact and the mot tester is only responsible for inspecting the vehicle that day, so you can imagine what is on the roads test or not

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
35 weeks ago

Glasgow / London

Why have historic vehicles been brought into this? I’m confused.

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By *eronikapaulCouple
35 weeks ago

Reading

Honestly...you should just rent a van and think about it a bit sooner next year.

But I feel your pain, especially if is something trivial which only counts for vehicles that were built with it fitted. For example the hazard warning switch on a motorcycle. Stupid or what? An excellent way to get wiped out when a truck mistakes your close together faint blinkers for a car 300 metres away.

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By *eronikapaulCouple
35 weeks ago

Reading

Do please respond because this topic is yet more complicated and unless rather more wealthy and modern than the average Mr/mrs angry might find themselves on the wrong side of the debate.

SECONDS OUT! ROUND TWO!

That's only partially true. In practice you can't "mot" a lot of historic vehicles because they will automatically fail, however perfect for their time. If not confident of your own skills a better bet is to either ask a knowledgeable friend to vet your vehicle or ask a garage to conduct a shadow mot/ safety test for you. Just don't take your Frazer Nash wriggly monkey to Halfords for that.

Your second point I agree with but the thread was already going sideways at a rate of knots . I hope you realised that I was fanning flames to hopefully amuse and enlighten.

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By *adCherriesCouple
35 weeks ago

Cheshire/Northwest

It's shocking you are even thinking about driving without insurance/mot etc - what advice is needed?!

People routinely forgetting and brush it off - thick as mince springs to mind.

Mrs

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By *ab50Man
35 weeks ago

bexhill

You can book an mot 30 days before it runs out, if it passes you get effectively 13 months mot.. But it has to be within the 30 days.. Just saying for next year...

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"You can book an mot 30 days before it runs out, if it passes you get effectively 13 months mot.. But it has to be within the 30 days.. Just saying for next year... "

Very close, it's actually 1 calender month so for example your mot expires on let's say the 2nd of March if you mot it on the 3rd of Feb it'll be dated from the 2nd of March.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

Your second point I agree with but the thread was already going sideways at a rate of knots . I hope you realised that I was fanning flames to hopefully amuse and enlighten."

You can mot any historic vehicles and they are able to pass any test due to the age exemptions/allowances down to grandfather rights in the test.

Yes we are just fanning the flames

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
35 weeks ago

Horsham

If you get caught, you already know the consequences.

Is it worth the risk, as you only have to be caught by those nice ANPR cameras and you are screwed.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Genuinely did this a couple of years back…those saying ANPR and all that B*S* are wrong the cameras don’t pick up MOT’s that’s simply ridiculous…my van way always always done in May but the year before I’d had a bunch of welding done and I’d replaced all the driveshafts and bushings and a bunch of other work on it (it’s lowered to a ridiculous level) so I’d had it MOT’d early (March) drove it for weeks with no MOT…

Obviously the second I realised I didn’t drive it and booked it in with my garage at the first available spot…still failed on its CV joints *crying emoji*

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By *ylonlover87Man
35 weeks ago

upchurch

You can only drive it to an mot station. If your caught its only a fine. If you crash the car your still insured but the insurance company will try and give you a low pay out arguing there's no proff the car was worth what you said

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

You are absolutely correct…owner of many Lamd rovers and VW’s of a certain age…things like emissions etc we simply don’t have to pass…I’ve removed all of the Cats and EGR’s from my diesels as it helps the engine run better.

Bought a modern Beetle and that Damn thing was a huge money pit with engine sensors and emissions… could have just removed the entire sensor unit and had a nice speedy little 2l but sadly would have fallen foul of emissions. Nothing to do with safety or being road worthy!

But I’m perfectly fine to drive around in a 30 year old 4l V6….MOTs are simply ridiculous and would never own a car made after 2001 again!

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By *ylonlover87Man
35 weeks ago

upchurch

End of the day you could get a £1k fine. With all the cameras recording numberplate I wouldn't chance it. If you really need to drive it book it in for a light bulb change at Halford so you have a reason your driving it to get repaired before an mot. Just don't turn up.

Personally I wouldn't do it.

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By *oo..Woman
35 weeks ago

Boo's World

"Genuinely did this a couple of years back…those saying ANPR and all that B*S* are wrong the cameras don’t pick up MOT’s that’s simply ridiculous…my van way always always done in May but the year before I’d had a bunch of welding done and I’d replaced all the driveshafts and bushings and a bunch of other work on it (it’s lowered to a ridiculous level) so I’d had it MOT’d early (March) drove it for weeks with no MOT…

Obviously the second I realised I didn’t drive it and booked it in with my garage at the first available spot…still failed on its CV joints *crying emoji*

You need to do your research.

All Police on board systems, ANPR and Average Speed Check Cameras CAN detect your Mot status as well as check your speed!

The cameras take a picture of the car and numberplate, it's logged onto the system with a time and date stamped against it. When your details are checked and it shows you have no valid MOT at that time it will flag up.

You just got lucky

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Routine maintenance makes a far safer veihcle than someone scanning over it once a year for 30 mins, no penalty points for it been expired and no gov mot reminders as its privatly governed hence the gov and po po having no finacial gain from enforcing it

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"You are absolutely correct…owner of many Lamd rovers and VW’s of a certain age…things like emissions etc we simply don’t have to pass…I’ve removed all of the Cats and EGR’s from my diesels as it helps the engine run better.

So mot'd by mate or someone who doesn't know what their doing?

"(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective"

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By *antam AvershiresMan
35 weeks ago

Falme

"Haven't read most of the thread but you are lucky you don't live in Northern Ireland.

All MOT tests are carried out in government test centres and not in garages.

The average wait time for a test at the moment is claimed to be 72 days but is actually much longer.

Most people have to wait up to 3 months.

We would love to be able to whinge about having to wait a few days to get a test. "

On the plus side in Norn Irom is there is no financial for the garage to fail your vehicle. About 10 years ago my car was absolutely condoned by a Kwik Fit but rather than pay the £750 to repair it I took it to an independent centre and lo and behold it passed with only minor advisory.

No as per OP I cam tell you exactly what happens in London.

Last Aug my MOT expired but I got it booked in for the day after and arranged to leave work early to get it done. Come midday I get a call from the garage and they say they can't do it, have to close early but would sort it first thing next morning, no trouble says I.

I'm driving home and then the blue lights appear and I get pulled over and get told my car shouldn't be on the road. I explained the situation and showed him the text from the garage confirming the new appointment.

He very sympathetically (for a copper) explained that this meant effectively bugger all that the only legal time to drive it (as previously said in this thread) to a booked appointment.

As per insurancance what it means actually is in the event of an accident your insurance will only sort out the other parties issue and cost, you will get naff all towards yours (even if other party if 100% in the wrong).

End result was a £100 fixed penalty notice which I could have not payed and taken the matter to court but was advised by a solicitor friend that even though I had a pretty good story and reason I'd more than likely lose.

As per how you get caught the newest traffic Jam Sandwiches has very fancy cameras and computers which as soon as they spot a car falling foul of the law put up a notification and then the drivers try to find the offending car (easy on a straight road, less at junctions and roundabouts), pull it over and read them the road traffic 1988 act (Section 2 if you are interested). They have 0 autonomy or control about this, they are basically telling you the computer has caught you and we just need to tell you that (I.e. tell you you're nicked) and the report goes off without them recording any information other than the location you were stopped.

And for extra funsise once they let you on your way you are still fair game for another patrolling cars so if you decided to keep driving it to your planned destination. You can be pulled over by Officers C&D for the exact same offense (because you have already been advised you by Officers A&B (they mostly travel in pairs) that your car is not legally allowed on the road).

So it really isn't worth the risk and as other people have advised its better to hire another van for the work day than risk £100 fine or worse if some prat crashes into you no matter how carefully you drive that day.

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35 weeks ago

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

So mot'd by mate or someone who doesn't know what their doing?

"(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective"

No, read again…if the rule was not brought into effect when the vehicle was registered they do not apply…

So yes zero cat, egrs deleted and a straight pipe side exit on my daily VW, same as it’s technically fine for me to not have seat belts on a 1970 Land Rover as the law was only passed in the 1980’s though obviously I had them fitted albeit a 3point harness…

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Obviously the second I realised I didn’t drive it and booked it in with my garage at the first available spot…still failed on its CV joints *crying emoji*

You need to do your research.

All Police on board systems, ANPR and Average Speed Check Cameras CAN detect your Mot status as well as check your speed!

You just got lucky "

Well thank god I live in Devon!

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

So mot'd by mate or someone who doesn't know what their doing?

"(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective"

No, read again…if the rule was not brought into effect when the vehicle was registered they do not apply…

You mentioned vehicles of a 'certain age' not a specific year as the ages of vehicles when it comes to emissions are quite specific, and like I said, missing Emission control equipment is a failure if its of that age.

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By *hisisntpofMan
35 weeks ago

bristol

What van is it ,if it fails i may be able to help out

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By *apiomanMan
35 weeks ago

Shipley

Just don't crash into anyone who reads the Fab forum!

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Drive it carefully. You should be fine. If you get pulled tell them you are in your way to the garage to get the mot done. Maybe

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Do the right thing, be honest and don't lie. Worst case scenario postpone jobs or hire a temporary vehicle until you've got your MOT sorted.

Simply not worth the risk...!

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By *antam AvershiresMan
35 weeks ago

Falme

"Drive it carefully. You should be fine. If you get pulled tell them you are in your way to the garage to get the mot done. Maybe

Totally wouldn't work unless you have the proof you are driving it to a prearranged/booked appointment. The whole "I'm taking it to the garage now honest guv" without proof will be viewed even more dimly, especially if you get pulled over at 6pm when no garage will be open.

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By *immyinreadingMan
35 weeks ago

henley on thames

If the van is new, as you say, then it doesn’t need an MOT after 1 year.

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By *octor ProdMan
35 weeks ago

working Overseas

Not MOT would invalidate your insurance if you had an accident.

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By *smith87Man
35 weeks ago

totton

Don't you get a grace period whilst waiting for a fix

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By *immyinreadingMan
35 weeks ago

henley on thames

"Don't you get a grace period whilst waiting for a fix"

I thought so. And the vehicle is referred to as “new” last year, and I thought vehicles aren’t due for their first MOT for 3 years?

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By *antam AvershiresMan
35 weeks ago

Falme

"Don't you get a grace period whilst waiting for a fix

I thought so. And the vehicle is referred to as “new” last year, and I thought vehicles aren’t due for their first MOT for 3 years? "

Nope to the first point, if it fails it is classified as unfit to be on the road. The only way you can take it away is to take it to another test centre (and have evidence of the booked MOT) or you are taking it to a service fashion for repair ( in instances you are having the test done somewhere that doesn't do repairs or the one you require). In the second of those two saying you are taking it to your mate Dave's for him to fix it in his Bathgate will not cut it with PC Plod and you will be getting a fixed penalty notice shortly after being stopped.

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By *orny-DJMan
35 weeks ago

Leigh-on-Sea

Actually, any vehicle built from 1965 MUST have seat belts fitted.

The rule you refer to about seat belts that came in in 1983 refers to the wearing of seat belts

So mot'd by mate or someone who doesn't know what their doing?

"(a) Emission control equipment fitted by the manufacturer missing, obviously modified or obviously defective"

No, read again…if the rule was not brought into effect when the vehicle was registered they do not apply…

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By *eneralKenobiMan
35 weeks ago

North Angus

Set it on fire and claim the insurance

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By *r TriomanMan
35 weeks ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

"Maybe rent a van? "

I'd do this, it's better than getting caught as that could affect your your business even more. Plus, if you're involved in a Road Traffic incident, then being in a vehicle that isn't road legal will have serious implications.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
35 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

"Don't you get a grace period whilst waiting for a fix"

I think this is only applicable if you get it tested before the old one runs out,I think

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By *ools and the brainCouple
35 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

"Drive it carefully. You should be fine. If you get pulled tell them you are in your way to the garage to get the mot done. Maybe

Don't follow this advice!

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By *hristopherd999Man
35 weeks ago

Brentwood

"If the van is new, as you say, then it doesn’t need an MOT after 1 year. "

I was thinking the same

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Yous will get Ben if it of the doubt a test doesn’t really need to be book until at least 7 days after test ovs we book them before because of precautions but any police officer will understand for instance ur white lie will be u lost diary so thought was nxt week

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By *ools and the brainCouple
35 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

"Yous will get Ben if it of the doubt a test doesn’t really need to be book until at least 7 days after test ovs we book them before because of precautions but any police officer will understand for instance ur white lie will be u lost diary so thought was nxt week "

Ignorance is no defence in the eyes of the law.

Given very few people actually get stopped by the police these days it's mostly cameras capturing offences you can't reason with a machine and as I said saying you forgot is no defence.

And as said previously Many times the insurance company won't see it as a mistake.

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By *orny-DJMan
35 weeks ago

Leigh-on-Sea

"Don't you get a grace period whilst waiting for a fix

I think this is only applicable if you get it tested before the old one runs out,I think

This is a very grey area.

Technically, even if you have taken your vehicle in for an MoT early - i.e. some time before the expiry of your current certificate and it fails, it is deemed to be not roadworthy and you could find yourself getting into a lot of bother, however, there seems to be a lot of advice out there that you may be able to continue to use it if no 'Dangerous' faults were found, but obviously you would still need to get any failures fixed and have the vehicle retested before your current MoT expires - though personally, I wouldn't risk it - unless the failure was something like a tyre being below legal tread depth and I headed straight off to get it replaced - but then again, I keep an eye on the state of my tyres so this is never an issue for me.

My car is going in for MoT on Monday - 4 days before my current one expires.

About a month ago I got the engine light come on - which is a failure - but the cause of the error might not be deemed to be a 'dangerous' fault, but I spent a weekend fixing the fault.

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35 weeks ago

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35 weeks ago

Class 7 most test can be done at car test centres so long as they have the right bays lifts ect it's just weight class that's all. Our xlwb sprinter is in for test tomorrow at a car garage same as it got last year.

On another note without trawling through the replies to see if it's been mentioned as I've worked for a recovery company that execute police contracts if you get stopped with no MOT you will likely get it seized especially if you acknowledge you know it's run out or say you have it booked at a later date. If you don't you have got lucky and found a friendly copper because the standard now is lift and shift for non road worthy and non road legal vehicles i.e no insurance MOT or tax. Drive at your own risk

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By *2000ManMan
35 weeks ago

Worthing

"Driving without an mot could invalidate your insurance. "

This, please do not take the risk. Hire a van.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
35 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

"If the van is new, as you say, then it doesn’t need an MOT after 1 year.

I was thinking the same"

I interpreted it to mean ‘new to them’

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By *quirrel!Man
35 weeks ago

Nearby

There was a guy caught in Essex who’d been driving for 18 years without a licence!

It’d be Sod’s Law if you got caught for a day without an MOT!

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By *ris GrayMan
35 weeks ago

Dorchester

Just gonna have to get organised much earlier next year

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Class 7 most test can be done at car test centres so long as they have the right bays lifts ect it's just weight class that's all. Our xlwb sprinter is in for test tomorrow at a car garage same as it got last year.

The test centre has to have a class 7 testing license as does the tester, we are a test centre but have to take class 7s to another testing centre.

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Last year genuinely forgot date of MOT and drove around without for about ten days. Not advising you to do this just saying what happened with me.

Also I think I’m right in saying if car fails on what is classed as dangerous brakes or steering for example it’s illegal to drive there and then even if you have time on the previous MOT.

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By *igchiefMan
35 weeks ago

Manchester

Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime

Hire or borrow another van if it fails.

Simples!

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By *immyinreadingMan
35 weeks ago

henley on thames

"If the van is new, as you say, then it doesn’t need an MOT after 1 year.

I was thinking the same

I interpreted it to mean ‘new to them’ "

So it’s not a new van then? It’s a 2nd hand van?

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By *immyinreadingMan
35 weeks ago

henley on thames

"Don't do the crime if you can't do the crime

Hire or borrow another van if it fails.

Simples! "

“Don’t do the crime if you can’t do the crime”?

What?

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By *ex-a-frolics OP Couple
35 weeks ago

Brizzle

Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

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By *cottish guy 555Man
35 weeks ago

London

"Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

Great news.

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By *ylonlover87Man
35 weeks ago

upchurch

"Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

Great news.

Always do an mot 1 month early, they will issue a 13 month certificate if you do.

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By *hortcrustCouple
35 weeks ago

Amersham

Even if fails ur current mot lasts until that date

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By *usie pTV/TS
35 weeks ago

taunton

If it fails an MOT on a dangerous defect it must not be driven on the road even if your current MOT is still valid, if it fails on a major defect you can drive it away for repair, this will be stated on the failure notice and hopefully you would be verbally informed by the testing station, even with a major defect you should not continue to use the vehicle as normal.

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By *reasyMan
35 weeks ago

Caerphilly

"Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

Special thanks to the offer of help also & the local garage who fitted us in at short notice. We are very pleased to announce our van sailed through its MOT today, so panic averted. Future MOT’s will now be booked in earlier to avoid any hiccups. "
you can book and take a vehicle for MOT test one month before the current test expires, take the current certificate and sssuming it passss you have 13 months minus 1 day as the unexpired time is added to the new certificate

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By *ushandkittyCouple
35 weeks ago

Gloucester

"Even if fails ur current mot lasts until that date "

No it doesn't, if it fails on anything dangerous or major, it's deemed unroadworthy so the previous years mot is overwritten by the failure.

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By *hisisntpofMan
35 weeks ago

bristol

Glad your sorted ,now you can earn more holiday vouchers lol

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By *ellhungvweMan
35 weeks ago

Cheltenham

"Well we never expected this subject to cause such a lively debate on here.

Massive thanks to all those who had sensible replies, the invalidated insurance hadn’t occurred to us.

Our van is our livelihood & without it our work stops.

Great news.

Always do an mot 1 month early, they will issue a 13 month certificate if you do. "

I always book mine when I get the pass cert for the current one. My garage finds it hilarious as I am always the first one into his new calendar - it is pretty much the _only_ thing I actually book in advance in my life.

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By *redwilma666Couple
35 weeks ago

Kilbirnie

What would happen to your business if you killed someone with an unroadworthy vehicle & you got locked up. Then there is the civil court csse for compensation to pay for.

Be smart & rent a van for a week

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By (user no longer on site)
35 weeks ago

Give a dodgy name. (You are allowed to use an alias)

Get a 7 day producer. Then report it as missing. Used to work in the 1990s.

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By *ischief in mindMan
35 weeks ago

Woking

A few bits of misinformation here.

No MOT does not automatically invalidate your insurance, 99.9% of insurance will still be valid depending on the company. What it might do is mean they won't pay out the full amount or nothing at all in the event of a collision.

No MOT gets you a 100 quid fine and no points.

Police will not seize a vehicle for No MOT alone. There would have to be a no insurance or no licence issue. If it's in a dangerous condition it would get prohibited on the spot. Then if you chose to drive and got stopped with the prohibition still in place then it would get seized and you're liable to be arrested.

If the DVSA stop you rather than Police they are likely to go to town on you and dish out a much bigger fine.

Basically just get the MOT done, a lot less hassle. I use an app called Vehicle Smart to keep tabs on my car and bike, dead handy.

Glad your van sailed through

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