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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world " All of this, plus a grounding in basic budgeting and financial management | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world All of this, plus a grounding in basic budgeting and financial management " I feel like that would be in home economics.  | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world " Sounds like every school ever. | |||
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"Contextual Maths/Finances and English Cultural studies( history, art, music, citizenship, sex ed) Entrepreneurship and Project Management Digital studies inc AI A trade( plumbing/electical etc.)" Not far off the mark for me. Adding sport, fitness, teamwork, bonding type curricula | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world Sounds like every school ever. " Yep. I firmly believe the wider education of our kids shouldn't be in state hands if we give them the tools to educate themselves as far as possible it widens their possibilities. | |||
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"Sociology English Lit and Lang Science Maths PE" I resisted the urge to say sociology 5 times | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world Sounds like every school ever. Yep. I firmly believe the wider education of our kids shouldn't be in state hands if we give them the tools to educate themselves as far as possible it widens their possibilities. " It’s not in the hands of the state - wider education is what parenting should actually be about. | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world Sounds like every school ever. Yep. I firmly believe the wider education of our kids shouldn't be in state hands if we give them the tools to educate themselves as far as possible it widens their possibilities. It’s not in the hands of the state - wider education is what parenting should actually be about." From what I read, see and hear many people believe that's what a state education should provide though. A common refrain is "they should be teaching that in schools" in relation to anything from childcare to sex education. There's even a call for schools to feed all children under a certain age free. A lot of people even believe our kids should go straight from a state school into a state run institution such as the army. Give kids the opportunity to think for themselves and use tools to discover new information and their kids will do the same | |||
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"Banking. How to read a map, including a Tube map. Safety online. How to not be influenced by online influencers. " If we're going to teach them not to be influenced by online influencers, are we also going to teach them not to be advertised at by corporate advertisers, since they're basically the same thing but with more money and men in suits? | |||
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"Critical thinking Application of knowledge rather than rote acquisition of knowledge Debating skills Public speaking skills Coding Data analysis and evaluation The learning of some kind of language other than the native one, could include sign language Everything should be synoptic. We don't need to draw arbitrary lines between maths and sciences and history etc. " Indeed. | |||
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"A lot of these things are already taught. Critical thinking is a discrete lesson I teach. Compulsory. Sex ed, consent ect. Every year group has these. Finance - pupils say they want this as part of PSHE until they have to do it. The problem is the way education works pupils are just thinking about the next lot of testing. Things like finance seem so remote to many. They always question the importance of it saying they'd rather do the lessons that'll see them through their GCSES. The way things are now it's difficult to counter that. The broad range of topics pupils have access to now is far beyond anything I had. BSL First Aid Influencers, Social Media awareness ect. Food Tech is taught. Trades are optional. The problem with making these mandatory is a lot will not engage. I had to do CDT at GCSE and hated it. Consequently I did very badly. No amount of "it'll be useful in the future" would convince me otherwise. That's 14 year olds for you. Same with languages. It wasn't until I lived in a French speaking country I realised I probably should have tried a bit harder. Having choices is good and many many schools provide this now. They do enough subjects that they have a broad set of skills. What I would like to see is more diversity in some subjects like English, which were hammered by Gove with a focus on Literature by old wrinkly white men. That has ruined the subject. "Oh absolutely in terms of diversity. I don't think I'd cut Shakespeare entirely, but I'd much rather see diaspora, first and second generation, works in translation, etc - think about writing as a living and breathing thing. (Ditto with history - less world wars, please. Not no world wars, but less world wars) | |||
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"Sounds like most would approve of a switch to the International Baccalaureate" Absolutely I would. (It was an option for my peers when I was going through, and I thought it was excellent, although I did the equivalent of A-levels in my area: the HSC) | |||
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"Home schooling " Only if there's high standards set to ensure that children aren't left behind educationally and isolated in ways that might damage their welfare | |||
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"How to do wheelies on a bike How to use a boomerang How to throw/catch Maths English " You always have to put a jokey spin on anything serious. For me, a decent skid on a bike and an endo without going over the bars. Pea shooting (probably a lost art). Latin Quantum physics. Negotiation skills to assist with bellends in a safe manner that has a good outcome for both parties. More endos. | |||
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"Much of the above makes sense but i would be more flexible. Well motivated teachers, who know the (max) 20 children in their class, would be able to adapt and change the curriculum according to the interests and needs of the individual children. Any testing would be to support learning, not just learning to support the testing. " Our experience is that with one teacher and no additional support staff in a room, the best class sizes for personalised learning is more like 12. Possibly 15 at a push. Beyond that, teachers have to try and pitch to a majority and are often missing the students who are either in need of additional support or who need pushing/extending. Smaller class sizes require a lot more teachers, though! | |||
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"OK, the world has changed. You have a magic wand and a bottomless pit of money. Teaching unions are supportive of change and parents are supportive of their kids education. What 5 things would top your priority list of subjects to teach in your new miracle school.? " Home economics: how to run all aspects of a home Civics: how the state works, how local government works etc, how to navigate the full range of state services. Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Reading, writing, arithmetic. | |||
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"Oh and sign language. Mental that everyone doesn't learn sign language. " or Makaton | |||
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"Oh and sign language. Mental that everyone doesn't learn sign language. or Makaton" Yes for sure. Just seems crazy a whole section of society we can't communicate with unless we use text. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) " Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. | |||
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"OK, the world has changed. You have a magic wand and a bottomless pit of money. Teaching unions are supportive of change and parents are supportive of their kids education. What 5 things would top your priority list of subjects to teach in your new miracle school.? Home economics: how to run all aspects of a home Civics: how the state works, how local government works etc, how to navigate the full range of state services. Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Reading, writing, arithmetic. " Absolutely civics. When I was in primary school we had a subject we called HSIE (human society and its environment). Very broadly it was history, geography, civics, and other stuff sort of related to that. I don't know if I'd do it the way it was done to me (one more fucking explorer and I'll flip tables), but it's a concept I'd want to keep if I were in charge of schools. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is." I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. | |||
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"OK, the world has changed. You have a magic wand and a bottomless pit of money. Teaching unions are supportive of change and parents are supportive of their kids education. What 5 things would top your priority list of subjects to teach in your new miracle school.? " Literature Music Creative thinking Art 1 more thing they won’t get the opportunity to learn about when they are in ‘the real world’ because apparently all that matters is being productive drones. | |||
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"How to do wheelies on a bike How to use a boomerang How to throw/catch Maths English You always have to put a jokey spin on anything serious. For me, a decent skid on a bike and an endo without going over the bars. Pea shooting (probably a lost art). Latin Quantum physics. Negotiation skills to assist with bellends in a safe manner that has a good outcome for both parties. More endos." Paper straws killed pea shooting. Just can't get the same velocity  | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults." The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems " I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it. | |||
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"Have a youth work type session once a week focussing on self esteem/ communication/ self development/ relationships etc A different way of teaching for 1 or 2 hours a week. Keep the rest as is but bring it up to date." I had wellness/ self esteem lessons at school and I would advise caution with this one. Good idea in theory. Potentially disastrous in practice. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it." A hour of teaching people why physical activity is important would, I suspect, be more effective in the long term, than an hour doing physical activity. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is." Schools could start by allowing decent clothing to be worn for games/PE. Even now, schools require girls to wear short/tight skorts, cycling shorts or similar and almost-transparent white polo shirts. I think kids should be able to choose any comfortable clothing (within reason) and in plain colours. I think it's ridiculous that schools require monogrammed everything, including socks on some cases, and multiple different types of trainers etc. At school, we used to have to wear gym knickers under an indecently short wraparound gym skirt. We HAD to remove the skirt to do athletics and other activities. Boys doing the cricket outfielding, adjacent to the long jump pit used to make all sorts of horrible comments. *Shudder* It's no better with skorts, which are the same, just with the knickers and skirt connected together! | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it. A hour of teaching people why physical activity is important would, I suspect, be more effective in the long term, than an hour doing physical activity." I don't object to doing sports at school. Not at all. Just change the culture around it. PE taught me that physical exercise is painful and humiliating. It took a hell of a lot of effort for me to turn that around as an adult, and not everyone can. We do not want to teach children that exercise is humiliating. | |||
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"Pretty much everything everyone has suggested is currently taught in schools." It's how and what is taught that people want to change. The current Govian curriculum is Victorian. It needs to prepare young people for a completely different world. | |||
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"How to do wheelies on a bike How to use a boomerang How to throw/catch Maths English You always have to put a jokey spin on anything serious. For me, a decent skid on a bike and an endo without going over the bars. Pea shooting (probably a lost art). Latin Quantum physics. Negotiation skills to assist with bellends in a safe manner that has a good outcome for both parties. More endos. Paper straws killed pea shooting. Just can't get the same velocity "Do you tear the little bit off at the end of a McDonald's straw then pea shoot the wrapper at anyone? And there is some velocity behind that too. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it. A hour of teaching people why physical activity is important would, I suspect, be more effective in the long term, than an hour doing physical activity. I don't object to doing sports at school. Not at all. Just change the culture around it. PE taught me that physical exercise is painful and humiliating. It took a hell of a lot of effort for me to turn that around as an adult, and not everyone can. We do not want to teach children that exercise is humiliating." That's a shame. PE was one of my favourite subjects. I loved all the games but was rubbish at gymnastics. I remember struggling to vault the horse and the whole class, including myself and the teacher in fits because "Me legs won't stretch, Miss!". I was better at netball and long distance running. Perhaps the culture around sports in my school was different. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it. A hour of teaching people why physical activity is important would, I suspect, be more effective in the long term, than an hour doing physical activity. I don't object to doing sports at school. Not at all. Just change the culture around it. PE taught me that physical exercise is painful and humiliating. It took a hell of a lot of effort for me to turn that around as an adult, and not everyone can. We do not want to teach children that exercise is humiliating. That's a shame. PE was one of my favourite subjects. I loved all the games but was rubbish at gymnastics. I remember struggling to vault the horse and the whole class, including myself and the teacher in fits because "Me legs won't stretch, Miss!". I was better at netball and long distance running. Perhaps the culture around sports in my school was different. " Maybe. I wasn't good at anything, and was one of the group that the kids and teachers (if it's just the kids it's one thing...) made miserable once or twice a week (and the three sports carnivals a year were also fucking dire). I tried. I just wasn't any good. And the bullying followed me everywhere. I'm arguing against a culture that makes children hate exercise. Even if it makes some kids feel great, it's doing those children a disservice. In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one. | |||
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" Physical education: real physical education, learning how to eat, exercise, stretch, and look after our bodies (rather than merely being a session of physical activity) Don't think PE has ever made sense in schools. It was either a doss subject or now a bizarre extra and unnecessary science subject with exams etc. Shouldn't be that hard to design the subject to inspire kids to discover physical activities they truly enjoy. Yet somehow it is. I'd want to keep the human health aspect of PE that I had in my education (sex education and that sort of thing). I'd probably eliminate or radically alter the sport bit - it was just a hazing ritual for people who weren't good at it or the one class where the class clowns and thickos weren't hated by the teacher. I swear this sort of physical education probably contributes to obesity in adults. The active bit is the most important thing, agreed with the sports but being active is so important. I have nephews who don't do any sports for the reasons above but also don't do anything active. Add in the happiness they get from computer games and you have a recipe for kids being overweight with health problems I'm not saying physical activity isn't important. I'm saying that the bullying and hazing that comes with PE creates adults who don't want to exercise. I think eliminating any kind of PE would do a better job of creating healthy adults who want to exercise than keeping it as I experienced it. A hour of teaching people why physical activity is important would, I suspect, be more effective in the long term, than an hour doing physical activity. I don't object to doing sports at school. Not at all. Just change the culture around it. PE taught me that physical exercise is painful and humiliating. It took a hell of a lot of effort for me to turn that around as an adult, and not everyone can. We do not want to teach children that exercise is humiliating." Agreed, I think there’s room for both but if you chuck a group of kids onto a sports field and expect them all to do the same thing without question then you have recipe for what you describe. I think that also having lessons on why it is important to exercise and provide a wider range of physical activity would help the less naturally active kids embrace exercise. | |||
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" In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one." Do you think maybe you just had a particularly bad experience ? It sounds genuinely horrendous | |||
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"Have a youth work type session once a week focussing on self esteem/ communication/ self development/ relationships etc A different way of teaching for 1 or 2 hours a week. Keep the rest as is but bring it up to date. I had wellness/ self esteem lessons at school and I would advise caution with this one. Good idea in theory. Potentially disastrous in practice." Totally get that and a difficult lesson to navigate; thats why I would have a youth worker/ professional in that area rather than a teacher (with all due respect) they can converse/listen rather than teach and know how to be at the young people's level. In my opinion of course. | |||
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" In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one. Do you think maybe you just had a particularly bad experience ? It sounds genuinely horrendous " It wasn't just me. There were always at least a few of us who were bullied, and I'm talking across three schools with no related catchment area. It was genuinely horrendous. Which is why I'd rather eliminate than replicate it. School is supposed to be about being a safety net for children. In PE, the teachers burned my net, pushed me in the hole, and threw rocks on top of me. Fuck all of that. | |||
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" In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one. Do you think maybe you just had a particularly bad experience ? It sounds genuinely horrendous It wasn't just me. There were always at least a few of us who were bullied, and I'm talking across three schools with no related catchment area. It was genuinely horrendous. Which is why I'd rather eliminate than replicate it. School is supposed to be about being a safety net for children. In PE, the teachers burned my net, pushed me in the hole, and threw rocks on top of me. Fuck all of that." So do you think any activity should be mandated ? | |||
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"How to do wheelies on a bike How to use a boomerang How to throw/catch Maths English You always have to put a jokey spin on anything serious. For me, a decent skid on a bike and an endo without going over the bars. Pea shooting (probably a lost art). Latin Quantum physics. Negotiation skills to assist with bellends in a safe manner that has a good outcome for both parties. More endos. Paper straws killed pea shooting. Just can't get the same velocity
Do you tear the little bit off at the end of a McDonald's straw then pea shoot the wrapper at anyone?
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"Sports are critical in schools for so many reasons. But they should only be a part of the overall objective of inspiring kids to enjoy using their bodies for physical activities. Seems especially short sighted not to place the majority focus on the types of activities they can do throughout the rest of their lives rather than sports only a few will play and most of those only for a handful of years. All these things are already done but it's pot luck as to whether you're lucky enough to have a school where the teachers give a shit or have the skills and interests or have the time and resources (including a sports field that's maintained by somebody better than the guy who has the contract from the council to mow the grass ever so now and again) and whether they do things such as DofE. Pretty much all of those things have been less likely since somebody decided it was a good idea to make PE into a GCSE. " I think in an ideal world I'd keep PE - or, as I knew it, PDHPE (personal development, health, and physical education: knowledge about your body, sex education, and PE) up to GCSE to help kids get more exercise. I'm totally in favour of getting kids playing sport, a variety of activities (and I was actually pretty lucky in this - in part of primary and secondary school we did a fortnightly rotation of all sorts of things, including rock climbing, bowling, swimming, I could go on). I just want to eliminate the culture where someone like me - trying my heart out, just not very fast or coordinated - is given more grief than someone who answers in class (true story) "Shakespeare wrote that because kiss my arse". | |||
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" In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one. Do you think maybe you just had a particularly bad experience ? It sounds genuinely horrendous It wasn't just me. There were always at least a few of us who were bullied, and I'm talking across three schools with no related catchment area. It was genuinely horrendous. Which is why I'd rather eliminate than replicate it. School is supposed to be about being a safety net for children. In PE, the teachers burned my net, pushed me in the hole, and threw rocks on top of me. Fuck all of that. So do you think any activity should be mandated ?" If it can be done without making some kids miserable, sure. (I'm not saying every child has to like every class - because it would lead to ridiculous results like a five year old declaring they don't like reading. Just cut the fucking bullying) | |||
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"Simple. How to do as they are told not run amok like a bunch of feral animals. Everything else will just fall into place "When I was 12, my English teacher flat out asked me in class how I didn't talk, fidget, or disrupt anyone in assembly. What did I do when I was bored? "I tune the teachers out and think about other things" Teacher was happy with that, because I wasn't being a little shit during assembly  | |||
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"Home schooling " Lord no! Unless a parent is capable of effectively teaching to a high standard across the entire curriculum (unlikely and must be evidenced) and has the time to do so. Sadly, covid showed exactly why this doesn't work on a grand scale. In my experience the average person is simply not equipped to teach effectively. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and capable, but also have enough self awareness to know that I would be unable to do so. Nita | |||
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"Home schooling Lord no! Unless a parent is capable of effectively teaching to a high standard across the entire curriculum (unlikely and must be evidenced) and has the time to do so. Sadly, covid showed exactly why this doesn't work on a grand scale. In my experience the average person is simply not equipped to teach effectively. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and capable, but also have enough self awareness to know that I would be unable to do so. Nita " I think it might be the answer for some kids in some cases - the considerable problems with kids with special needs getting support, for example. But I've heard too much about it being used to abuse and isolate children in the US or Australia to be all for it. There'd need to be a lot of safeguards in place. (It can also work very well for children who live in extremely isolated areas, but stuff like School of the Air isn't really applicable for a country that's as geographically small as the UK) | |||
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"Home schooling Lord no! Unless a parent is capable of effectively teaching to a high standard across the entire curriculum (unlikely and must be evidenced) and has the time to do so. Sadly, covid showed exactly why this doesn't work on a grand scale. In my experience the average person is simply not equipped to teach effectively. I consider myself to be reasonably intelligent and capable, but also have enough self awareness to know that I would be unable to do so. Nita I think it might be the answer for some kids in some cases - the considerable problems with kids with special needs getting support, for example. But I've heard too much about it being used to abuse and isolate children in the US or Australia to be all for it. There'd need to be a lot of safeguards in place. (It can also work very well for children who live in extremely isolated areas, but stuff like School of the Air isn't really applicable for a country that's as geographically small as the UK)" I agree it has its place... but again it's how that is effectively facilitated. I'm not convinced that parents are best placed to be educators, but there are ways it could be done. Technology can help but I think engagement is likely to be problematic. I am also aware of it being used as a tool to hide abuse or facilitate indoctrination. I also think faith schools should be banned, as I believe that they encourage intolerance and misunderstanding. Nita | |||
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"Don’t know about new subjects these days, but I tell you what learning sewing really helped me get through life. The mr " the number of people who throw away clothes because a button needs to be replaced is insane. I hated sewing at school (not like I hated PE), but fuck me, being able to hem and sew on a button should be basic life skills. | |||
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" In my fantasy of sitting my school teachers down and telling them what I think of them, my PE teachers are getting screamed at. Every single one. Do you think maybe you just had a particularly bad experience ? It sounds genuinely horrendous " Mr KC had a similar experience. He hated school PE with a passion and it's only as a 30-something that he's found himself to enjoy any physical activity, apart from walking. I went to the same school but enjoyed sports and represented school in many different areas. Same school, very different experience. | |||
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"But surely that style of teacher is dead and buried now. I had one teacher who used to intimidate us with his sheer size and scream so much he would spit all over you. Those days are surely gone? PE isn't the issue, the teachers are in that scenario." My cousin is a PE teacher. He's in his mid 30s. He's that kind of PE teacher. And I think you'll find that we're largely in agreement. Sport/ physical activity is important. However, if some children are being taught that sport/ physical activity is humiliating, then no sport is a better outcome for them. | |||
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"Pretty much everything everyone has suggested is currently taught in schools. It's how and what is taught that people want to change. The current Govian curriculum is Victorian. It needs to prepare young people for a completely different world. " The current Primary Curriculum (I don’t know much about secondary) is actually excellent. In most subjects there is hardly any detail or prescription and it leaves huge amounts of room for teachers to teach as they see fit. Gove got really very little say in it. The problems are emerging as Ofsted have happened on this lack of prescription and interpret it as a lack of rigour. They love homogeneity and are filling the gaps with lots of ‘guidance’ which whilst not being statutory, might as well be as it is a brave school leader that ignores it when it comes to inspection time. It is MATs that ensure Ofsted policy is cascaded through schools. Without MATS and Ofsted, armed only with the 2014 Curriculum, schools would be much better places. Saying that, most schools still fight the good fight and deliver a very good education. | |||
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"Pretty much everything everyone has suggested is currently taught in schools. It's how and what is taught that people want to change. The current Govian curriculum is Victorian. It needs to prepare young people for a completely different world. The current Primary Curriculum (I don’t know much about secondary) is actually excellent. In most subjects there is hardly any detail or prescription and it leaves huge amounts of room for teachers to teach as they see fit. Gove got really very little say in it. The problems are emerging as Ofsted have happened on this lack of prescription and interpret it as a lack of rigour. They love homogeneity and are filling the gaps with lots of ‘guidance’ which whilst not being statutory, might as well be as it is a brave school leader that ignores it when it comes to inspection time. It is MATs that ensure Ofsted policy is cascaded through schools. Without MATS and Ofsted, armed only with the 2014 Curriculum, schools would be much better places. Saying that, most schools still fight the good fight and deliver a very good education. " I wonder to what extent standardisation is the problem, particularly for younger children. Don't get me wrong, I want there to be a minimum bar. I feel strongly about schools being a place where children don't fall through a safety net. But with the obsession on league tables and things like that - something that was beginning to emerge at the end of my education - I wonder if something is lost. We teach to the test rather than teaching in a way that is meaningful and beneficial. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION " I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. | |||
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"I take umbrage with the 'supportive parents' comment. It's ludicrous to assume anything else " If only that was the case. Whilst the majority ARE supportive, there are plenty who are far from it. For example: As an average around 30% of students will not have a parent who is willing to attend parents' evening. We also have parents who refuse to attend behaviour meetings, some who refuse to allow their children to attend detentions, others who take their children for piercings or acrylic nails when they're not permitted in school... In fact, the list of unsupportive things we experience is endless. Cal | |||
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"Pretty much everything everyone has suggested is currently taught in schools. It's how and what is taught that people want to change. The current Govian curriculum is Victorian. It needs to prepare young people for a completely different world. The current Primary Curriculum (I don’t know much about secondary) is actually excellent. In most subjects there is hardly any detail or prescription and it leaves huge amounts of room for teachers to teach as they see fit. Gove got really very little say in it. The problems are emerging as Ofsted have happened on this lack of prescription and interpret it as a lack of rigour. They love homogeneity and are filling the gaps with lots of ‘guidance’ which whilst not being statutory, might as well be as it is a brave school leader that ignores it when it comes to inspection time. It is MATs that ensure Ofsted policy is cascaded through schools. Without MATS and Ofsted, armed only with the 2014 Curriculum, schools would be much better places. Saying that, most schools still fight the good fight and deliver a very good education. I wonder to what extent standardisation is the problem, particularly for younger children. Don't get me wrong, I want there to be a minimum bar. I feel strongly about schools being a place where children don't fall through a safety net. But with the obsession on league tables and things like that - something that was beginning to emerge at the end of my education - I wonder if something is lost. We teach to the test rather than teaching in a way that is meaningful and beneficial." Standardisation is a massive problem. If everyone is doing the same there is no room for innovation. Evidence based is something you hear a lot whenever some new scheme comes in to replace the last evidence based scheme. The teaching of phonics is massively contested but every primary school does it in an ever decreasing in a way that becomes increasingly standardised because the DfE invented an approval process for schemes. Now most schools buy into a scheme at a total cost of millions rather than using Letters and Sounds which was free. | |||
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"Reading Writing/typing Basic maths Cookery/home ec Whatever tech is required to function in the current world Sounds like every school ever. Yep. I firmly believe the wider education of our kids shouldn't be in state hands if we give them the tools to educate themselves as far as possible it widens their possibilities. It’s not in the hands of the state - wider education is what parenting should actually be about." You can't actually expect parents to help raise their own kids. That's a terrible thing to say. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live." Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. | |||
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"I take umbrage with the 'supportive parents' comment. It's ludicrous to assume anything else If only that was the case. Whilst the majority ARE supportive, there are plenty who are far from it. For example: As an average around 30% of students will not have a parent who is willing to attend parents' evening. We also have parents who refuse to attend behaviour meetings, some who refuse to allow their children to attend detentions, others who take their children for piercings or acrylic nails when they're not permitted in school... In fact, the list of unsupportive things we experience is endless. Cal" My thought is that, to some extent, you need to tailor education to the lowest standard of parent who gets to keep their child. Because that's what a safety net is - catching those who'd otherwise fall. A child with the worst parents needs to be helped, and school is the mechanism where that starts. While we can argue all day long about the benefits of teaching World War II versus King whoever or algebra versus compound interest - but we can't forget that school is also (has become) one of the places where we ensure children are at least somewhat safe and cared for. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. " I take it you didn't read my comment at all, because I explicitly said that I wasn't talking about indoctrination. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. " Not teaching about different faiths is only going to lead to a less cohesive society surely? Those that are religious will be irrespective of school. Fanatical elements aren't fostered in schools (non religious settings I mean, I can't speak for those that are). At least with educating children about religion as well as non religious groups there is awareness and understanding rather than fear and suspicion no?  | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. Not teaching about different faiths is only going to lead to a less cohesive society surely? Those that are religious will be irrespective of school. Fanatical elements aren't fostered in schools (non religious settings I mean, I can't speak for those that are). At least with educating children about religion as well as non religious groups there is awareness and understanding rather than fear and suspicion no? "I think some people - not necessarily this poster - would prefer it that way. Personally, I think my life is richer for knowing a little about the world's major religions. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. Not teaching about different faiths is only going to lead to a less cohesive society surely? Those that are religious will be irrespective of school. Fanatical elements aren't fostered in schools (non religious settings I mean, I can't speak for those that are). At least with educating children about religion as well as non religious groups there is awareness and understanding rather than fear and suspicion no?
I think some people - not necessarily this poster - would prefer it that way.
Personally, I think my life is richer for knowing a little about the world's major religions."Adults are free to do as they wish, children should not be introduced to bulkshit in the guise of culture | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. Not teaching about different faiths is only going to lead to a less cohesive society surely? Those that are religious will be irrespective of school. Fanatical elements aren't fostered in schools (non religious settings I mean, I can't speak for those that are). At least with educating children about religion as well as non religious groups there is awareness and understanding rather than fear and suspicion no?
I think some people - not necessarily this poster - would prefer it that way.
Personally, I think my life is richer for knowing a little about the world's major religions.
Adults are free to do as they wish, children should not be introduced to bulkshit in the guise of culture"So you'd rather con artists and charlatans approach children without them having been taught something about it at school first? Because what you're saying sounds like the equivalent of abstinence only sex ed. Cross your fingers that the kids don't come into contact with any culty preachers before they can officially be taught religion at 18. | |||
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"I take umbrage with the 'supportive parents' comment. It's ludicrous to assume anything else " Sadly it's ludicrous to assume they are supportive of good parenting and school education. Given a fifth of all pupils are truant at any time is just one example how unsafe assuming all parents or even most are supportive. In any case the op was simply, assuming there are no obstacles to your syllabus and making any changes to what children in the 21st century should be educated with. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION " I would think teaching children about different religions and belief systems, tolerance thereof would be quite important.? | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I would think teaching children about different religions and belief systems, tolerance thereof would be quite important.? " Nah. As Jesus said, bring me the children. Easier to have unregulated people influence children than have a standardised "just the facts, ma'am" education. Brainwashing is far better than education and/ or people will somehow not try to influence children in their religious beliefs because that's ever worked /sarcasm | |||
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"OK, the world has changed. You have a magic wand and a bottomless pit of money. Teaching unions are supportive of change and parents are supportive of their kids education. What 5 things would top your priority list of subjects to teach in your new miracle school.? " 5 you say...... for a changed world..... 1. Empathy 2. The connection of the self to others - and the importance of building good relationships 3. How to be physically and mentally healthy 4. How to think critically and be creative in problem solving - including collaboration e.g. listening to and learning from others 5. The dependency of all living things and the planet - on each other. Including life cycles and the inevitability of death so we can value the here and now. | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I had both state mandated scripture and Studies of Religion. I'd remove the former. The latter, it's useful to know basics about the cultures of people around us. The five pillars of Islam, the Ten Commandments, etc. Not "you must believe that Mohammed is a prophet", but "this is what this segment of society believes and some of their main practices". (To hammer home the "no indoctrination" thing, I learned it as being just as valid as the Australian Aboriginal Dreaming and their spiritual beliefs about land and nature. If we were indoctrinated into that, we'd all probably feel obligated to risk our lives and liberty by stopping the huge mining industry in Australia) I think this is applicable in real life - knowing a little about the way other people around you live. Nope it is nonsense. If parents want their kids indoctrinated then take them to church. Religion has no place in school. At all. Not teaching about different faiths is only going to lead to a less cohesive society surely? Those that are religious will be irrespective of school. Fanatical elements aren't fostered in schools (non religious settings I mean, I can't speak for those that are). At least with educating children about religion as well as non religious groups there is awareness and understanding rather than fear and suspicion no?
I think some people - not necessarily this poster - would prefer it that way.
Personally, I think my life is richer for knowing a little about the world's major religions.
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" REMOVE RELIGIOUS RECRUITMENT aka RE as it stunts clear thinking, hence the Temple award " There's nothing that resembles "recruitment" in RE that is taught in a mainstream school. What it does do is shed some light on the beliefs and practices of different religions. These different religions include Judaism, Islamic, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc... in most schools there are students and staff of various religions, and atheists too. RE allows students to understand the lives of their peers as well strangers. It helps students to understand situations such as the "war" between Gaza & Isreal. It educates kids to things they might experience on their holidays around the world... and it promotes understanding and tolerance. Ultimately, education is good. Cal | |||
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" No religion No religion No religion No religion And er NO RELIGION I would think teaching children about different religions and belief systems, tolerance thereof would be quite important.? " Why do you want to continue to legitimise something that has no facts to support it, the reason that millions of people are currently religious is because they were introduced to it as children, they should be taught to question everything and rely on facts | |||
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"There's a place for RE. But no school in receipt of state funding should be permitted a religious bias. Crazy how much influence religion still has in schools." The Church of England control 25-% of the schools in this country they currently have a £3 million pound programme to indoctrinate children in other educational establishments, they are worth £40 billion and still receive your tax money and gift aid, this is unacceptable | |||
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"OK, the world has changed. You have a magic wand and a bottomless pit of money. Teaching unions are supportive of change and parents are supportive of their kids education. What 5 things would top your priority list of subjects to teach in your new miracle school.? " Finance alday | |||
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" REMOVE RELIGIOUS RECRUITMENT aka RE as it stunts clear thinking, hence the Temple award There's nothing that resembles "recruitment" in RE that is taught in a mainstream school. What it does do is shed some light on the beliefs and practices of different religions. These different religions include Judaism, Islamic, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc... in most schools there are students and staff of various religions, and atheists too. RE allows students to understand the lives of their peers as well strangers. It helps students to understand situations such as the "war" between Gaza & Isreal. It educates kids to things they might experience on their holidays around the world... and it promotes understanding and tolerance. Ultimately, education is good. Cal" Yes let’s use the war in Gaza as a shining example of religious tolerance ffs, | |||
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"My subjects and some famous people who Critical thinking: Edward de Bono Philosophy: Allan Watts and others Maths and arithmetic: Johny ball (make it fun) Household economics Martin Lewis Creative Arts/comedy: Grayson Perry (remove it from the elites only mentalities) Typing/programming/EDITING English All aspects ofDIY/building etc because vocational skills built the world Navigation skills maps and digital Gardening, because we need fresh air First aid/survival skills/cooking: Ray Mears/Keith Floyd Parenting classes (unless you never want to breed) Animal care, pets/live stock Sports that are not on the curriculum for state schools, but the Scouts/cadets do participate in, because they can get the insurance cover! Excuses! Public speaking, because interviews, weddings, karaoke and even going to court/tribunal/funerals are no time to fluster those all important lines. Being brave enough to tell an expert, that you are right is a game changer. Horizon/PO scandal/national disgrace anyone Sign language. Mental health protection/assessment at various key stages, sooner-rather-than-later. (As sitting 9 school exams with a poor memory really sucks, as this is one learning pain in the arse, invigilators really won't help with: ie they see written notes as cheating) and breathe REMOVE RELIGIOUS RECRUITMENT aka RE as it stunts clear thinking, hence the Temple award " 'Interesting' response to an O.P. that asked for FIVE things to be taught. In light of this I suggest 'reading' and ' basic number' | |||
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" REMOVE RELIGIOUS RECRUITMENT aka RE as it stunts clear thinking, hence the Temple award There's nothing that resembles "recruitment" in RE that is taught in a mainstream school. What it does do is shed some light on the beliefs and practices of different religions. These different religions include Judaism, Islamic, Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, etc... in most schools there are students and staff of various religions, and atheists too. RE allows students to understand the lives of their peers as well strangers. It helps students to understand situations such as the "war" between Gaza & Isreal. It educates kids to things they might experience on their holidays around the world... and it promotes understanding and tolerance. Ultimately, education is good. Cal Yes let’s use the war in Gaza as a shining example of religious tolerance ffs," That's a very important subject matter. However if you feel the need to discuss it please take it to your own thread. So what are the 5 subjects you would teach? | |||
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