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"I agree Tom, surely the female doctors should be able to practice this famous ‘multi-tasking’ we are always told women are so good at. "Of course they should, not the men though. They have too much spunk to be able to multitask. I think that's right. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil. "Anyone not loaded, will miss it when it's gone & we are at the mercy of insurance companies trying to get out of claims, saying we are too old, fat, claimed too many times, smoke, etc. Think how it is at vets ATM, once a dog is 7 years old they are practically uninsurable & if they are insured you get 80% after the excess is paid... or private dentists costs. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
Anyone not loaded, will miss it when it's gone & we are at the mercy of insurance companies trying to get out of claims, saying we are too old, fat, claimed too many times, smoke, etc. Think how it is at vets ATM, once a dog is 7 years old they are practically uninsurable & if they are insured you get 80% after the excess is paid... or private dentists costs. "Exactly.... Really boils my piss when entitled people complain when they can't get what they want, when they want and can't see past their nose. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
Anyone not loaded, will miss it when it's gone & we are at the mercy of insurance companies trying to get out of claims, saying we are too old, fat, claimed too many times, smoke, etc. Think how it is at vets ATM, once a dog is 7 years old they are practically uninsurable & if they are insured you get 80% after the excess is paid... or private dentists costs.
Exactly.... Really boils my piss when entitled people complain when they can't get what they want, when they want and can't see past their nose."Isn't getting what you need when you need it what we pay for?By 'entitled' people complaining do you mean my mates 94 year old mother left on a trolley for 19 hours,by staff who could barely be arsed speaking to the family,didn't know what was going on,insisted the family dressed up in hazmat type suits to visit her whilst a guy in ordinary overalls fixed up a TV.In the mean time,she got MRSA and died. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
Anyone not loaded, will miss it when it's gone & we are at the mercy of insurance companies trying to get out of claims, saying we are too old, fat, claimed too many times, smoke, etc. Think how it is at vets ATM, once a dog is 7 years old they are practically uninsurable & if they are insured you get 80% after the excess is paid... or private dentists costs.
Exactly.... Really boils my piss when entitled people complain when they can't get what they want, when they want and can't see past their nose.
Isn't getting what you need when you need it what we pay for?By 'entitled' people complaining do you mean my mates 94 year old mother left on a trolley for 19 hours,by staff who could barely be arsed speaking to the family,didn't know what was going on,insisted the family dressed up in hazmat type suits to visit her whilst a guy in ordinary overalls fixed up a TV.In the mean time,she got MRSA and died."You seem to be able to see through the bullshit sir, well done, you're a rarity on this forum. | |||
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"I recently spoke to a doctors receptionist explaining that as my blood results were normal, the Dr had asked me to then go for a physical exam to which I got told the appointment booked would have to be a phone call and the doctor would decide on the day if I needed to come in or not... "reception staff didnt like my comment when i was told to use phonecall appointments for somthing i should be seen for. As i told them to close there gp practice down as your not fit enough to call yourself a doctors surgery. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil. "first off remember what site your on. also remember the ladies have more data recorded on them than any men. so what you discuss with your gp is sold. to say your data is sold to others in a way you are paying for it. NHS patient data at £9.6bn a year. It is particularly valuable to tech giants, who would like to get their hands on NHS datasets to build AI machine-learning systems. a typical electronic health record is worth about £100 ($125), while one that’s linked to detailed genomic data can fetch as much as £5,000 ($6,200). That means an overall value of £5 billion ($6.2 billion) to commercial partners and £4.6 billion ($5.7 billion) per year in health economic benefits to patients. has your data been abuse yes it has often Virgin Care was misusing our data. When the data arm of our health service, NHS Digital, tried to act, Virgin Care refused to cooperate and it also refused to delete the data. its this part that really bugs me as your medical files can be attached to other data sets. NHS England claims we have nothing to worry about, because the information it will share under this new contract is “pseudonymous,” meaning that identifying details will be removed. But the truth is, it’s not hard to piece together anonymised information which could lead to patients being identified. did i fill out the care data refusal form ( yes ) whilst there is another grab at our data to be sold with no right to refusal 24/11/23 The NHS has confirmed that it is not possible to opt out of sharing patient data with the Federated Data Platform. patents should have the right to refuse what data is sold to other partys. whilst i also agree any access to this nhs data remains under the uk protection on uk soil. if you think its protected by the usa privacy shield forget it, its not worth wiping your backside with. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
first off remember what site your on.
also remember the ladies have more data recorded on them than any men.
so what you discuss with your gp is sold.
to say your data is sold to others in a way you are paying for it.
NHS patient data at £9.6bn a year. It is particularly valuable to tech giants, who would like to get their hands on NHS datasets to build AI machine-learning systems.
a typical electronic health record is worth about £100 ($125), while one that’s linked to detailed genomic data can fetch as much as £5,000 ($6,200). That means an overall value of £5 billion ($6.2 billion) to commercial partners and £4.6 billion ($5.7 billion) per year in health economic benefits to patients.
has your data been abuse yes it has often
Virgin Care was misusing our data. When the data arm of our health service, NHS Digital, tried to act, Virgin Care refused to cooperate and it also refused to delete the data.
its this part that really bugs me as your medical files can be attached to other data sets.
NHS England claims we have nothing to worry about, because the information it will share under this new contract is “pseudonymous,” meaning that identifying details will be removed. But the truth is, it’s not hard to piece together anonymised information which could lead to patients being identified.
did i fill out the care data refusal form ( yes )
whilst there is another grab at our data to be sold with no right to refusal
24/11/23 The NHS has confirmed that it is not possible to opt out of sharing patient data with the Federated Data Platform.
patents should have the right to refuse what data is sold to other partys.
whilst i also agree any access to this nhs data remains under the uk protection on uk soil.
if you think its protected by the usa privacy shield forget it, its not worth wiping your backside with."Most ill people don't have medical records because you can't get an appointment | |||
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"Most ill people don't have medical records because you can't get an appointment " your 1st and this post isnt about the nhs there about your gp practice for access to see a doctor, Whilst they might use the nhs system its still down to your doctors practice to provide a service. if your not happy, move from them and go to a practice that offers proper meeting appointments and orgainsed appointments. | |||
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"The recorded message that tells the caller that the doctor can only treat one ailment at a time. What happens if you have gout and earache at the same time? And the sign on the receptionist desk saying that abuse towards staff will not be tolerated. Makes Tom's blood boil ..." Well fuck off and go private | |||
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With limited GP resources and supporting patients being able to be seen closer to their appointment times, it's practical to ensure fairer allocation of time, by emphasis on each appointment covering 1 issue. Most people I feel, would instinctively assume this to be the case, rather than having booked an open session, to shoehorn anything and everything into, whilst there. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
Anyone not loaded, will miss it when it's gone & we are at the mercy of insurance companies trying to get out of claims, saying we are too old, fat, claimed too many times, smoke, etc. Think how it is at vets ATM, once a dog is 7 years old they are practically uninsurable & if they are insured you get 80% after the excess is paid... or private dentists costs.
Exactly.... Really boils my piss when entitled people complain when they can't get what they want, when they want and can't see past their nose.
Isn't getting what you need when you need it what we pay for?By 'entitled' people complaining do you mean my mates 94 year old mother left on a trolley for 19 hours,by staff who could barely be arsed speaking to the family,didn't know what was going on,insisted the family dressed up in hazmat type suits to visit her whilst a guy in ordinary overalls fixed up a TV.In the mean time,she got MRSA and died."I'm so sorry for that lady. The NHS has been severely and deliberately stripped/broken down/ mismanaged as a service in the last 15+ yrs so that people will forget how it was when worked & accept it going | |||
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"My anger at the NHS is directed at the politicians and the multiple layers of irrelevant and unnecessary 'trusts' sucking funds from where they are most needed. " Same. When the health boards got replaced by private partnership trusts not covered by foi requests it really started going down. They stopped leveraging procurement spend & protections in the tenders for example | |||
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"It should not need to be said that service staff should not be abused! The 14 years of government mismanagement of public services is no fault of citizens, except collectively, as voters. Most of the services impact on the others, with austerity measures still ongoing and planned for continuation .
With limited GP resources and supporting patients being able to be seen closer to their appointment times, it's practical to ensure fairer allocation of time, by emphasis on each appointment covering 1 issue. Most people I feel, would instinctively assume this to be the case, rather than having booked an open session, to shoehorn anything and everything into, whilst there. "This. Also the stripping of social care and community services under austerity all end in NHS Hospitals/ A&E. From patients well but unable to be discharged because there's no community care, people going to a&e because they can't get seen by a GP n the problem escalates, mental health care lost drives people to self harm/ neglect & end up in crisis or physical unwell in A&E, reduced funds towards preventative health pathways despite costs of prevention being much lower, subcontracting services at highly inflated private prices now a profit margin is required, usually for subpar quality items.. etc | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil. "In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries. Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries.
Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system."I feel the way I feel having seen first hand several people including relatives be treated different countries. | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries.
Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system.
I feel the way I feel having seen first hand several people including relatives be treated different countries. "I’ve no complaints, Everything same day no waiting lists , amazing customer service and treatment much higher quality than the UK. That’s my experience in Asia Africa and the Gulf. | |||
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"Dr's have limited time to see each patient, it's all very well saying well I have 2 things to ask about so the Dr should cover both. If they did do it your appointment runs over your allocated time so the Dr is then running a few mins late. The next person does the same and then the next and before you know it the Dr is running half an hour or an hour late. Then everyone is moaning again about the poor service. If you have 2 things to ask about you ask for a double appointment when you book it, it's not that difficult. " You can't even get a single appointment never mind a double | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries.
Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system.
I feel the way I feel having seen first hand several people including relatives be treated different countries.
I’ve no complaints, Everything same day no waiting lists , amazing customer service and treatment much higher quality than the UK. That’s my experience in Asia Africa and the Gulf."Were you paying yourself or through a company? Was it critical care or non life threatening? I've watched a family member die in a better facilitated hospital than we have in the UK, not because of facilities but because of poor patient management. I've seen a friend not get an ambulance or emergency care in Africa due to logistics/ access so by the time she was treated for wrist break, her hand was already setting badly causing life long complications, a bestie in Paris had not received her residents card in time, so when she burnt her hand badly she had to self treat & still has scars, limited use. All easily avoidable experiences. We all have our own lived experiences that build our points of view. I don't disagree with you, I think it's those that cannot afford private healthcare that suffer most. | |||
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"You tell 'em, Tom! Those pesky doctors not being able to treat multiple ailments simultaneously. And those receptionists asking not to be abused. Who the fuck do they think they are?! " | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries.
Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system."I’ve had private healthcare (through work) in the UK. I was distinctly underwhelmed. | |||
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"You tell 'em, Tom! Those pesky doctors not being able to treat multiple ailments simultaneously. And those receptionists asking not to be abused. Who the fuck do they think they are?! " a lot of it is a communication break down unskilled staff | |||
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"I also worry that how insurance companies spend a lot of money and resources to get out of claims, that when they have the monopoly i.e. no NHS, they can offer the minimum service & there will be nothing we can do about it. I do believe Private healthcare is great if you can afford it & if it pays out. I've seen private procurement cut corners where it's not visible too, so fancy hospital but cheap products for in surgery, etc. Theres no incentive to treat you long term as repeat patients provide more money. " I was once denied what could well have been life saving surgery because my private insurance (not in the UK) made up a reason why it was a pre-existing condition and told me I hadn't been on their Top Fucking Tier of payments long enough. Given the course of the condition I had and how long it took me to sort seeing another (private) doctor and getting the surgery, the expected outcome should have been that they got to me after my corpse had been rotting for about a month. I was very fortunate, and no one really knows why. The second time I had that condition, I went through the public system, and I had that excruciatingly painful condition corrected in just over 24 hours. My surgeon was trained in the NHS. | |||
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"I get angry when I hear the line about not abusing staff, because that means that there are enough chucklefucks abusing the staff to make the statement necessary." I work in a gp practice and staff in tears after abuse from patients is a regular occurrence. People seem to think it's OK to abuse staff when they don't get what they want but how would they feel if their family member was coming home every night saying they'd been shouted at by people every day? Maybe people should think about that before they start hurling abuse at others who are just doing their job. You may not like the reply you are getting but we can't just magic up appointments out of nowhere when we are already fully booked. | |||
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"The recorded message that tells the caller that the doctor can only treat one ailment at a time. What happens if you have gout and earache at the same time? And the sign on the receptionist desk saying that abuse towards staff will not be tolerated. Makes Tom's blood boil ..." Oh, and abuse towards staff should absolutely not be tolerated. I'm sure you don't think that it should be ok to abuse the staff because you don't like the system (which they won't have created) - anyone who thinks that would be in 'give your head a wobble' territory. | |||
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"I get angry when I hear the line about not abusing staff, because that means that there are enough chucklefucks abusing the staff to make the statement necessary. I work in a gp practice and staff in tears after abuse from patients is a regular occurrence. People seem to think it's OK to abuse staff when they don't get what they want but how would they feel if their family member was coming home every night saying they'd been shouted at by people every day? Maybe people should think about that before they start hurling abuse at others who are just doing their job. You may not like the reply you are getting but we can't just magic up appointments out of nowhere when we are already fully booked. " I sometimes get upset, but 99% of the time it's not the person on the line's fault, they're just there to take the heat. If I could shout at the person at fault, I would. I'm not shouting at someone who's just a representative who's not to blame for this mess. (This goes for sales, warranties, etc, not just the NHS) | |||
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"I now pay for private healthcare for me and my family I will have no further dealings with the absolute clusterfuck that is the NHS. Their negligence and lack of basic medical care killed my wife and they won’t get any more of my family. " There is no private Accident and Emergency tho | |||
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"Aviva healthcare announced an operating profit of £1.5bn this week. How many nurses would that pay for? How many ops for cancer patients or GP appointments? And there are dozens of private medical companies all taking money that should be invested in our healthcare as profits. But sure, we should get angry with the NHS. MJ" That is paid for by people after they have paid their tax to fund the NHS. The same is true for fools who support taxing private schools… when those paying for a place are still paying their taxes that would entitle their children to a place in a state school that is already over subscribed. The liberal socialists really need to have a strong cup of coffee and take a maths class. | |||
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"Aviva healthcare announced an operating profit of £1.5bn this week. How many nurses would that pay for? How many ops for cancer patients or GP appointments? And there are dozens of private medical companies all taking money that should be invested in our healthcare as profits. But sure, we should get angry with the NHS. MJ That is paid for by people after they have paid their tax to fund the NHS. The same is true for fools who support taxing private schools… when those paying for a place are still paying their taxes that would entitle their children to a place in a state school that is already over subscribed. The liberal socialists really need to have a strong cup of coffee and take a maths class. " Two tier systems only serve those in the top tier. | |||
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"Aviva healthcare announced an operating profit of £1.5bn this week. How many nurses would that pay for? How many ops for cancer patients or GP appointments? And there are dozens of private medical companies all taking money that should be invested in our healthcare as profits. But sure, we should get angry with the NHS. MJ That is paid for by people after they have paid their tax to fund the NHS. The same is true for fools who support taxing private schools… when those paying for a place are still paying their taxes that would entitle their children to a place in a state school that is already over subscribed. The liberal socialists really need to have a strong cup of coffee and take a maths class. Two tier systems only serve those in the top tier. " Totally agree but a one tier system where those who don’t contribute still get to use it, doesn’t work either. Hating the upper class and ignoring the burden of the benefits class is a myopic view. | |||
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"Aviva healthcare announced an operating profit of £1.5bn this week. How many nurses would that pay for? How many ops for cancer patients or GP appointments? And there are dozens of private medical companies all taking money that should be invested in our healthcare as profits. But sure, we should get angry with the NHS. MJ That is paid for by people after they have paid their tax to fund the NHS. The same is true for fools who support taxing private schools… when those paying for a place are still paying their taxes that would entitle their children to a place in a state school that is already over subscribed. The liberal socialists really need to have a strong cup of coffee and take a maths class. Two tier systems only serve those in the top tier. " 
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"The NHS has been starved of the funds it needs since the Tories got back in power. They've run it into the ground because they don't believe in anything that isn't designed to make a profit. They want to privatise it because then their mates (who they flogged the Covid PPE contracts to) will cash in. The NHS isn't perfect, but whenever I see a bill for treatment in the USA and hear about people being driven into poverty by medical bills there, I am so grateful to have it. " Well you will get a chance to be proven right after the next election, unfortunately Labour believes there is a magic money tree to pay for the infinite free handout. And the grand solution: Tax the rich! Which I don’t disagree with but it is still too little butter to spread over too much bread. | |||
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"Aviva healthcare announced an operating profit of £1.5bn this week. How many nurses would that pay for? How many ops for cancer patients or GP appointments? And there are dozens of private medical companies all taking money that should be invested in our healthcare as profits. But sure, we should get angry with the NHS. MJ That is paid for by people after they have paid their tax to fund the NHS. The same is true for fools who support taxing private schools… when those paying for a place are still paying their taxes that would entitle their children to a place in a state school that is already over subscribed. The liberal socialists really need to have a strong cup of coffee and take a maths class. Two tier systems only serve those in the top tier.
Exactly, and the whole country suffers because poor healthcare and education limit the opportunities of millions."How? You make a claim that the whole country suffers because people are investing in private health. Nonsense! And please explain how education fails as a result of this too? The economics please, not an emotional socialist dream. | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system." As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. | |||
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"The NHS has been starved of the funds it needs since the Tories got back in power. They've run it into the ground because they don't believe in anything that isn't designed to make a profit. They want to privatise it because then their mates (who they flogged the Covid PPE contracts to) will cash in. The NHS isn't perfect, but whenever I see a bill for treatment in the USA and hear about people being driven into poverty by medical bills there, I am so grateful to have it. Well you will get a chance to be proven right after the next election, unfortunately Labour believes there is a magic money tree to pay for the infinite free handout. And the grand solution: Tax the rich! Which I don’t disagree with but it is still too little butter to spread over too much bread." The last Labour govt. managed the economy far better than we’ve seen since 2010 (and arguably better than Major’s Tories before them) | |||
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" Exactly, and the whole country suffers because poor healthcare and education limit the opportunities of millions. How? You make a claim that the whole country suffers because people are investing in private health. Nonsense! And please explain how education fails as a result of this too? The economics please, not an emotional socialist dream." Ooops, obviously touched a nerve. Several studies in the last decade have shown that despite only 7% of the population attending a fee paying school, they dominate the judiciary (~70%), House of Lords (~55%), Cabinet posts (~40%), senior doctors (~60%) 93% of the population are denied those opportunities. Which is fine, if the minority are the only ones with talent or intelligence. But that is clearly not the case. Instead we have a system that rewards mediocrity and networking. How else do you explain Boris Johnson as PM? And just as not accessing better education limits opportunities, so does poorer healthcare. If you can't work because of an unmanaged chronic health condition then you can't take opportunities and are more likely to be a greater burden on society. So why not invest in better education and healthcare for all, rather than a privileged few? | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system. As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. " OK, why? | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system. As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. OK, why?" If an immigrant is illegal, they can’t claim benefits or access services. If they are illegal they’re not allowed to work and therefore aren’t economic immigrants. | |||
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"The recorded message that tells the caller that the doctor can only treat one ailment at a time. What happens if you have gout and earache at the same time? And the sign on the receptionist desk saying that abuse towards staff will not be tolerated. Makes Tom's blood boil ..." Been like this since I was a child, there has always been notices for no abuse, one appointment for one issue and calling at 8am for an appointment. | |||
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" Exactly, and the whole country suffers because poor healthcare and education limit the opportunities of millions. How? You make a claim that the whole country suffers because people are investing in private health. Nonsense! And please explain how education fails as a result of this too? The economics please, not an emotional socialist dream. Ooops, obviously touched a nerve. Several studies in the last decade have shown that despite only 7% of the population attending a fee paying school, they dominate the judiciary (~70%), House of Lords (~55%), Cabinet posts (~40%), senior doctors (~60%) 93% of the population are denied those opportunities. Which is fine, if the minority are the only ones with talent or intelligence. But that is clearly not the case. Instead we have a system that rewards mediocrity and networking. How else do you explain Boris Johnson as PM? And just as not accessing better education limits opportunities, so does poorer healthcare. If you can't work because of an unmanaged chronic health condition then you can't take opportunities and are more likely to be a greater burden on society. So why not invest in better education and healthcare for all, rather than a privileged few?" No nerve, just looking for facts. You are right to suggest political privilege is biased by the Eton crowd. Regarding doctors and other professionals, they have parents who prioritise education. I think you need to see the outcome of schooling in the NW and SW of England to understand why privately educated people occupy so many higher positions. Children are failed by the state education system with levels of literacy and numeracy being lover than Germany, France and the Nordics. I would like to stress that you note never answered the question. Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot | |||
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" Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot "Didn’t Dianne go to Harrow County grammar school and then Cambridge? Aye, thick as fuck. | |||
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"I recently spoke to a doctors receptionist explaining that as my blood results were normal, the Dr had asked me to then go for a physical exam to which I got told the appointment booked would have to be a phone call and the doctor would decide on the day if I needed to come in or not... "I can beat that lol. The nurse at the doctors said I need to book an appointment to see the doctor. I walked round to the receptionist and said can I have an appointment please. She said I would have to go outside and call her on my phone to get an appointment
It's not the NHS's fault there are no appointments its they don't build more infrastructure when they build more houses and they dont take into consideration that families are larger now and we live longer | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system. As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. OK, why? If an immigrant is illegal, they can’t claim benefits or access services. If they are illegal they’re not allowed to work and therefore aren’t economic immigrants. " I include all of the 150 000 pending claimants who are receiving subsistence, living and healthcare support. Many of whom are actually economic migrants coming from poor socioeconomic backgrounds with additional healthcare burdens that are funded. Oh and did I mention the translation fees that we are funding through tax as well because people can’t speak English when speaking to doctors and nurses… and that is not immigrants, that is locals in certain boroughs of Birmingham! | |||
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"Then you book a double appointment - simple as peas. Mrs " How, when you can barely get one appointment? | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system. As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. OK, why? If an immigrant is illegal, they can’t claim benefits or access services. If they are illegal they’re not allowed to work and therefore aren’t economic immigrants. I include all of the 150 000 pending claimants who are receiving subsistence, living and healthcare support. Many of whom are actually economic migrants coming from poor socioeconomic backgrounds with additional healthcare burdens that are funded. Oh and did I mention the translation fees that we are funding through tax as well because people can’t speak English when speaking to doctors and nurses… and that is not immigrants, that is locals in certain boroughs of Birmingham! " Oh so you’re including pending claimants who by very definition can’t be ‘illegal’ as well? | |||
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"The NHS is a broken system. The clinical team are excellent and caring but the administration and bureaucracy is going to be the death of it. Timely diagnosis requires easier access which isn’t there. Patients are not held accountable for lifestyle choices and the cost is borne by the rest of us. The biggest mistake is people not being honest about its decline. In the meantime, those that can afford it pay for a growing private healthcare market and the rest of us get legacy treatment’s and not the new ones being developed because NICE says the tax payer can’t afford them, cancer survival rates are some of the lowest in Western Europe due to late diagnosis and illegal economic immigrants are enjoying the healthcare given the totally shit system they left behind and the ill educated lackeys on benefits are just grateful that they can do fuckall in contributing to the tax burden and continue enjoying healthcare that is free for them because they have always been a net taker from the system. As soon as you say ‘illegal economic immigrant’ any point you thought you were making is rendered invalid as you clearly don’t know what you’re talking about. OK, why? If an immigrant is illegal, they can’t claim benefits or access services. If they are illegal they’re not allowed to work and therefore aren’t economic immigrants. I include all of the 150 000 pending claimants who are receiving subsistence, living and healthcare support. Many of whom are actually economic migrants coming from poor socioeconomic backgrounds with additional healthcare burdens that are funded. Oh and did I mention the translation fees that we are funding through tax as well because people can’t speak English when speaking to doctors and nurses… and that is not immigrants, that is locals in certain boroughs of Birmingham! " There are 157,000,000 patient interactions each year in the NHS. Those 150,000 your claiming if they all receive medical attention make up 0.095% of the people seen. So your argument falls over, at the first point of scrutiny. Try harder. | |||
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" Exactly, and the whole country suffers because poor healthcare and education limit the opportunities of millions. How? You make a claim that the whole country suffers because people are investing in private health. Nonsense! And please explain how education fails as a result of this too? The economics please, not an emotional socialist dream. Ooops, obviously touched a nerve. Several studies in the last decade have shown that despite only 7% of the population attending a fee paying school, they dominate the judiciary (~70%), House of Lords (~55%), Cabinet posts (~40%), senior doctors (~60%) 93% of the population are denied those opportunities. Which is fine, if the minority are the only ones with talent or intelligence. But that is clearly not the case. Instead we have a system that rewards mediocrity and networking. How else do you explain Boris Johnson as PM? And just as not accessing better education limits opportunities, so does poorer healthcare. If you can't work because of an unmanaged chronic health condition then you can't take opportunities and are more likely to be a greater burden on society. So why not invest in better education and healthcare for all, rather than a privileged few? No nerve, just looking for facts. You are right to suggest political privilege is biased by the Eton crowd. Regarding doctors and other professionals, they have parents who prioritise education. I think you need to see the outcome of schooling in the NW and SW of England to understand why privately educated people occupy so many higher positions. Children are failed by the state education system with levels of literacy and numeracy being lover than Germany, France and the Nordics. I would like to stress that you note never answered the question. Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot "The problem starts in primary schools the curriculum is designed to make some students fail. The curriculum decides that every child should be at a certain level every year. Unfortunately it doesn't take into consideration that children are individuals with different strengths and weaknesses. There is a huge emphasis on English and Maths and the schools can be quite competitive with it. We recently had a parents evening and my eldest is below expectations. When we said yeah he prefers science we were told they don't measure that, mainly English and Maths. | |||
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" No nerve, just looking for facts. You are right to suggest political privilege is biased by the Eton crowd. Regarding doctors and other professionals, they have parents who prioritise education. I think you need to see the outcome of schooling in the NW and SW of England to understand why privately educated people occupy so many higher positions. Children are failed by the state education system with levels of literacy and numeracy being lover than Germany, France and the Nordics. I would like to stress that you note never answered the question. Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot "The Nordic countries average more than 7% GDP spent on education. The French 5.5%, the Germans 4.8%. The UK? 3.9%. Which is 114th in the world. Although interestingly the OECD ranked the average 15yo knowledge and skills as 13th in the world in reading, literacy, maths and science. Imagine what those kids could do with better funding. It also makes me wonder what facts you have based your statement that schools in the UK are failing students? Clearly the system isn't working to it's best, but given the low value the UK government puts on state education it's doing remarkably well. | |||
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Didn’t Dianne go to Harrow County grammar school and then Cambridge?
Aye, thick as fuck. "I would put money on it that she didn’t read and STEM at Cambridge. No way is she smart enough to do anything other than humanities where she can be a “smart” talking socialist | |||
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" No nerve, just looking for facts. You are right to suggest political privilege is biased by the Eton crowd. Regarding doctors and other professionals, they have parents who prioritise education. I think you need to see the outcome of schooling in the NW and SW of England to understand why privately educated people occupy so many higher positions. Children are failed by the state education system with levels of literacy and numeracy being lover than Germany, France and the Nordics. I would like to stress that you note never answered the question. Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot
The Nordic countries average more than 7% GDP spent on education.
The French 5.5%, the Germans 4.8%.
The UK? 3.9%. Which is 114th in the world.
Although interestingly the OECD ranked the average 15yo knowledge and skills as 13th in the world in reading, literacy, maths and science. Imagine what those kids could do with better funding.
It also makes me wonder what facts you have based your statement that schools in the UK are failing students? Clearly the system isn't working to it's best, but given the low value the UK government puts on state education it's doing remarkably well."Simply looking at spend on education is not correct. Add spend on healthcare and social benefits and factor in the point of care costs that are also charged for consultations and other social adjustments that we expect for free. | |||
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" Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot
Didn’t Dianne go to Harrow County grammar school and then Cambridge?
Aye, thick as fuck.
I would put money on it that she didn’t read and STEM at Cambridge. No way is she smart enough to do anything other than humanities where she can be a “smart” talking socialist "Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? | |||
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" No nerve, just looking for facts. You are right to suggest political privilege is biased by the Eton crowd. Regarding doctors and other professionals, they have parents who prioritise education. I think you need to see the outcome of schooling in the NW and SW of England to understand why privately educated people occupy so many higher positions. Children are failed by the state education system with levels of literacy and numeracy being lover than Germany, France and the Nordics. I would like to stress that you note never answered the question. Opportunity in your context is a social construct. I would also like you to check the educational privilege of the Labour Party, other than Dianne Abbot
The Nordic countries average more than 7% GDP spent on education.
The French 5.5%, the Germans 4.8%.
The UK? 3.9%. Which is 114th in the world.
Although interestingly the OECD ranked the average 15yo knowledge and skills as 13th in the world in reading, literacy, maths and science. Imagine what those kids could do with better funding.
It also makes me wonder what facts you have based your statement that schools in the UK are failing students? Clearly the system isn't working to it's best, but given the low value the UK government puts on state education it's doing remarkably well."Why would a conservative government want an educated population? It’d doom them | |||
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" Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? " But that doesn't fit with the ad hominem attack on Diane Abbott as a juicy Whataburger to deflect from an otherwise poorly thought out argument. | |||
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" Simply looking at spend on education is not correct. Add spend on healthcare and social benefits and factor in the point of care costs that are also charged for consultations and other social adjustments that we expect for free." Hang on, you asked about facts with regards to why the UK students perform at a lower level than their Nordic et al counterparts. I provided you with facts that clearly show the UK is grossly underfunded in comparison with those countries, which clearly undermines your argument. And your response is..... To switch to healthcare and social benefits..... I know we started on the NHS but you could at least acknowledge that your statement re education was ill-considered to say the least. | |||
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" Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? But that doesn't fit with the ad hominem attack on Diane Abbott as a juicy Whataburger to deflect from an otherwise poorly thought out argument." I hold to the facts that the burden of payments far outstripped the social agenda, Labour will win and disappoint you are they won’t have the money. And that is because then cling to failed economic theories that have yet to be proven successful in any country where they are not kept in check by a functioning opposition that recognises that at some point everyone needs to contribute. Does only STEM matter, clearly not. But being able to balance the book, understanding that a reduction in the deficit does not mean it goes away, borrowing so that our children are ladened with our debt requires a little more science than poetry. Diane Abbott remains a darling of the labour community regardless of her ineptitude. I am happy that she has people like you to defend her. | |||
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" Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? But that doesn't fit with the ad hominem attack on Diane Abbott as a juicy Whataburger to deflect from an otherwise poorly thought out argument. I hold to the facts that the burden of payments far outstripped the social agenda, Labour will win and disappoint you are they won’t have the money. And that is because then cling to failed economic theories that have yet to be proven successful in any country where they are not kept in check by a functioning opposition that recognises that at some point everyone needs to contribute. " What economic theories will Labour implement? Are you intimating that Labour are somehow a socialist party? | |||
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"The recorded message that tells the caller that the doctor can only treat one ailment at a time. What happens if you have gout and earache at the same time? And the sign on the receptionist desk saying that abuse towards staff will not be tolerated. Makes Tom's blood boil ..." Have you seen a doctor about your boiling blood? The doctor will see you as it's only one ailment | |||
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" Simply looking at spend on education is not correct. Add spend on healthcare and social benefits and factor in the point of care costs that are also charged for consultations and other social adjustments that we expect for free. Hang on, you asked about facts with regards to why the UK students perform at a lower level than their Nordic et al counterparts. I provided you with facts that clearly show the UK is grossly underfunded in comparison with those countries, which clearly undermines your argument. And your response is..... To switch to healthcare and social benefits..... I know we started on the NHS but you could at least acknowledge that your statement re education was ill-considered to say the least." We are ranked 56 out of 196 countries regarding literacy. Admittedly our maths score is stronger at 13th, climbing steadily under conservative government but I do wait for the impact of Covid to show its ugly face on education. The point regarding the inclusion of the other topics of social benefits and healthcare is that when you look at how much money we spend, in absolute terms verse our GDP, we prioritise a number of other items that our Europeans neighbours don’t. Incidentally, that is why people take chances daily in boats to leave France | |||
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" Simply looking at spend on education is not correct. Add spend on healthcare and social benefits and factor in the point of care costs that are also charged for consultations and other social adjustments that we expect for free. Hang on, you asked about facts with regards to why the UK students perform at a lower level than their Nordic et al counterparts. I provided you with facts that clearly show the UK is grossly underfunded in comparison with those countries, which clearly undermines your argument. And your response is..... To switch to healthcare and social benefits..... I know we started on the NHS but you could at least acknowledge that your statement re education was ill-considered to say the least. We are ranked 56 out of 196 countries regarding literacy. Admittedly our maths score is stronger at 13th, climbing steadily under conservative government but I do wait for the impact of Covid to show its ugly face on education. The point regarding the inclusion of the other topics of social benefits and healthcare is that when you look at how much money we spend, in absolute terms verse our GDP, we prioritise a number of other items that our Europeans neighbours don’t. Incidentally, that is why people take chances daily in boats to leave France" Don’t France (and Germany, and Italy, and others) all have higher numbers of asylum seekers than the U.K? | |||
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" Simply looking at spend on education is not correct. Add spend on healthcare and social benefits and factor in the point of care costs that are also charged for consultations and other social adjustments that we expect for free. Hang on, you asked about facts with regards to why the UK students perform at a lower level than their Nordic et al counterparts. I provided you with facts that clearly show the UK is grossly underfunded in comparison with those countries, which clearly undermines your argument. And your response is..... To switch to healthcare and social benefits..... I know we started on the NHS but you could at least acknowledge that your statement re education was ill-considered to say the least. We are ranked 56 out of 196 countries regarding literacy. Admittedly our maths score is stronger at 13th, climbing steadily under conservative government but I do wait for the impact of Covid to show its ugly face on education. The point regarding the inclusion of the other topics of social benefits and healthcare is that when you look at how much money we spend, in absolute terms verse our GDP, we prioritise a number of other items that our Europeans neighbours don’t. Incidentally, that is why people take chances daily in boats to leave France Don’t France (and Germany, and Italy, and others) all have higher numbers of asylum seekers than the U.K?" Germany certainly has the largest number of asylum seekers. They also have a growing demand for manufacturing as part of their economy with an export focus and need labour. | |||
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" Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? But that doesn't fit with the ad hominem attack on Diane Abbott as a juicy Whataburger to deflect from an otherwise poorly thought out argument. I hold to the facts that the burden of payments far outstripped the social agenda, Labour will win and disappoint you are they won’t have the money. And that is because then cling to failed economic theories that have yet to be proven successful in any country where they are not kept in check by a functioning opposition that recognises that at some point everyone needs to contribute. What economic theories will Labour implement? Are you intimating that Labour are somehow a socialist party?" Nooooo they are are right wing capitalists as they come. Jeremy Corbyn told me so. | |||
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" Does only STEM matter then? I reckon someone reaching Grammar school (in the 70’s) and Cambridge is smarter than the average bear, no? But that doesn't fit with the ad hominem attack on Diane Abbott as a juicy Whataburger to deflect from an otherwise poorly thought out argument. I hold to the facts that the burden of payments far outstripped the social agenda, Labour will win and disappoint you are they won’t have the money. And that is because then cling to failed economic theories that have yet to be proven successful in any country where they are not kept in check by a functioning opposition that recognises that at some point everyone needs to contribute. What economic theories will Labour implement? Are you intimating that Labour are somehow a socialist party? Nooooo they are are right wing capitalists as they come. Jeremy Corbyn told me so. "No, they’re soc-dem. Which is not the same as socialism. This is basic stuff. | |||
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" We are ranked 56 out of 196 countries regarding literacy. Admittedly our maths score is stronger at 13th, climbing steadily under conservative government but I do wait for the impact of Covid to show its ugly face on education. The point regarding the inclusion of the other topics of social benefits and healthcare is that when you look at how much money we spend, in absolute terms verse our GDP, we prioritise a number of other items that our Europeans neighbours don’t. Incidentally, that is why people take chances daily in boats to leave France" In terms of healthcare the UK spends around the OECD average in terms of GDP, but considerably less than the G7 nations, and approximately 25% lower than France. in terms of social spending the UK again spends around the OECD average, but again considerably less than countries in the EU. France is top of the pile. According to the OECD in 2018 the UK state pension was the worst in the developed world. And again, way less than France. In terms of who takes more migrants France is ~50% higher than the UK. So tell me again how the facts fit in with your statement regarding why boats leave France for the UK? | |||
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"As difficult as it is now, the NHS is a miracle and you need to be grateful you're not in a country that requires you to pay for your treatment. Off hand comments from arm chair critics make MY blood boil.
In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries.
Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system.
I feel the way I feel having seen first hand several people including relatives be treated different countries.
I’ve no complaints, Everything same day no waiting lists , amazing customer service and treatment much higher quality than the UK. That’s my experience in Asia Africa and the Gulf.
Were you paying yourself or through a company? Was it critical care or non life threatening? I've watched a family member die in a better facilitated hospital than we have in the UK, not because of facilities but because of poor patient management. I've seen a friend not get an ambulance or emergency care in Africa due to logistics/ access so by the time she was treated for wrist break, her hand was already setting badly causing life long complications, a bestie in Paris had not received her residents card in time, so when she burnt her hand badly she had to self treat & still has scars, limited use. All easily avoidable experiences. We all have our own lived experiences that build our points of view. I don't disagree with you, I think it's those that cannot afford private healthcare that suffer most. "I think as taking more about accesses to GP , specialist consultants , services like bloods, X-rays, MRI and minor surgery / same day. I prefer countries where it’s the law that employers have to provide health insurance to employees families , where it’s fully privatised except for A&E this seems to be the best model. People generally take much better care of themselves & A&E is empty 99% of the time | |||
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"In my experience most people that say this have never experienced private healthcare in other countries. Once they do and realise how efficient and world class it is and how cheap it is compared to what you pay for in the UK through taxes, they quickly change their opinion I would hate to have to go back to the NHS free system." Absolutely agree with your comments about healthcare abroad. When I lived in Greece, my village doctor said I needed a scan to confirm kidney stones. You go to the town centre, find the office of the specialist you need and wait your turn, usually no longer than an hour. They not only scanned my kidneys, but all of my major organs...for 50 euros. Then it was another 10 euros for the medication. Albeit this was 20 years ago, so I don't know what it would cost now, but it was such an efficient system...no being stuck on a waiting list for months. Having said that, when I had my cancer diagnosis 2 years ago, I was seen by the NHS specialist within 4 days and had my surgery within 2 weeks. But I know of people who have waited months for their cancer treatment  so I don't take anything for granted. | |||
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