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"I think there's a politics forum for those conversations. Seems a bit insensitive to discuss multi-culti next to people announcing their love for the smell of your own farts." Multiculturalism means we can now savour more exotic forms of flatulence  | |||
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"Your thoughts on this commonly expressed political statement? This should set a cat among the pigeons..." I'm guessing you're hinting at the recent demonstrations in London as an evidence of failed multiculturalism? | |||
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"Your thoughts on this commonly expressed political statement? This should set a cat among the pigeons... I'm guessing you're hinting at the recent demonstrations in London as an evidence of failed multiculturalism? " I'll keep my cards close to my chest for the time being, but as you raised that particular issue, what are your thoughts on it? | |||
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"Your thoughts on this commonly expressed political statement? This should set a cat among the pigeons... I'm guessing you're hinting at the recent demonstrations in London as an evidence of failed multiculturalism? I'll keep my cards close to my chest for the time being, but as you raised that particular issue, what are your thoughts on it?" You could just say what you're thinking, or don't you want to in case it's unpopular? | |||
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"Ok I'll bite. We colonised other lands and made their people part of our empire. The whole little island mentality brought on by Brexit just seems fucking stupid if you ask me. To now turn around and say we shouldn't be multicultural, or we shouldn't have things like diversity training at work etc is ridiculous. These people aren't stealing your jobs or ruining our identity." I think you would need to give us a definition of what you mean by multiculturalism before we could argue for or against it. My short definition is "No culture is more important that the others. Same laws apply to all residents regardless of their culture." | |||
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"I don't know if it's a strength because some love to drive in wedges and divide, but it sure makes life more interesting. Yesterday my African client very kindly gave me Joloff rice for lunch and today I was chatting with my Singaporean client and she told me that peaches are a symbol of longevity in Chinese culture - I love multi-culturalism. K." Experiencing different foods and music is a plus point for sure | |||
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"Ok I'll bite. We colonised other lands and made their people part of our empire. The whole little island mentality brought on by Brexit just seems fucking stupid if you ask me. To now turn around and say we shouldn't be multicultural, or we shouldn't have things like diversity training at work etc is ridiculous. These people aren't stealing your jobs or ruining our identity. I think you would need to give us a definition of what you mean by multiculturalism before we could argue for or against it. My short definition is "No culture is more important that the others. Same laws apply to all residents regardless of their culture." " I agree, multiculturalism is broad umbrella term and you probably need to be a bit more specific | |||
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"Ok I'll bite. We colonised other lands and made their people part of our empire. The whole little island mentality brought on by Brexit just seems fucking stupid if you ask me. To now turn around and say we shouldn't be multicultural, or we shouldn't have things like diversity training at work etc is ridiculous. These people aren't stealing your jobs or ruining our identity." This.
Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural.
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here. "Whereabouts in the world? | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist!" Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?  | |||
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"Multiculturalism is generally a good idea until religion gets involved." Agree if you’re a decent sort it doesn’t matter where you come from but if you are a member of some bigoted, lunatic, violent, cult then please feel free to fuck off (Including so called Christian’s) | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist? "They fled to Wales. | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?
They fled to Wales."So you're saying the central country of the British Isles was unpopulated until recently? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is generally a good idea until religion gets involved." This tends to be how we view it. The problem will all powerful beings you pray to is that you think they're all powerful. | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?
They fled to Wales.
So you're saying the central country of the British Isles was unpopulated until recently?"It was an ironic reference to history. Which ones were the indigenous? Celts? Angles/Saxons? Danes? Normans?... | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?
They fled to Wales.
So you're saying the central country of the British Isles was unpopulated until recently?
It was an ironic reference to history.
Which ones were the indigenous? Celts? Angles/Saxons? Danes? Normans?...
"All of those invaders played their roles in influencing English history, but the native Angle DNA has been here, and largely unchanged ever since our island broke away from the mainland, where it was formerly attached to what is now Germany. In fact, I've read of a man currently living in Somerset who can trace his DNA all the way back to Cheddar Man (who's 'black' ethnicity has been resoundingly debunked). That's a lineage stretching back over 10000 years, indigenous enough for you? | |||
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"Some cultures are more compatible with each other than others. The question is how to resolve the differences when people with two fundamentally opposite cultural views try to love together." In such an event changes need to be made by the foreign culture in order to integrate, this onus being much the same principle as when I come into *your* house, I abide by your rules, you don't mine. | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?
They fled to Wales.
So you're saying the central country of the British Isles was unpopulated until recently?
It was an ironic reference to history.
Which ones were the indigenous? Celts? Angles/Saxons? Danes? Normans?...
All of those invaders played their roles in influencing English history, but the native Angle DNA has been here, and largely unchanged ever since our island broke away from the mainland, where it was formerly attached to what is now Germany.
In fact, I've read of a man currently living in Somerset who can trace his DNA all the way back to Cheddar Man (who's 'black' ethnicity has been resoundingly debunked).
That's a lineage stretching back over 10000 years, indigenous enough for you?"---------------------- So are you saying only the Angles can be regarded as indigenous? What about their offspring who procreated with a wide range of cultures over those 10000 years? | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist? "As a wonderfully mongrel race, sure. | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist?
They fled to Wales.
So you're saying the central country of the British Isles was unpopulated until recently?
It was an ironic reference to history.
Which ones were the indigenous? Celts? Angles/Saxons? Danes? Normans?...
All of those invaders played their roles in influencing English history, but the native Angle DNA has been here, and largely unchanged ever since our island broke away from the mainland, where it was formerly attached to what is now Germany.
In fact, I've read of a man currently living in Somerset who can trace his DNA all the way back to Cheddar Man (who's 'black' ethnicity has been resoundingly debunked).
That's a lineage stretching back over 10000 years, indigenous enough for you?"Certainly is. Let's say we skip past the part where the Angles settled in Britain after the Romans left... And so the indigenous population are those who can trace their DNA back to Cheddar man and friends. Are they still 'indigenous' if they also have some French/Danish DNA? | |||
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" Certainly is. Let's say we skip past the part where the Angles settled in Britain after the Romans left..." Let's be clear, the Angles have ALWAYS been here, since before Britain was even an island. There would have been some mingling with Roman DNA, and also the previously mentioned invaders, but the genetic pool remains largely unchanged. "And so the indigenous population are those who can trace their DNA back to Cheddar man and friends. Are they still 'indigenous' if they also have some French/Danish DNA?" Yes, because part of their genetic record has ALWAYS been here, and their lineage has always played a part in this island's history. | |||
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"Some cultures are more compatible with each other than others. The question is how to resolve the differences when people with two fundamentally opposite cultural views try to love together. In such an event changes need to be made by the foreign culture in order to integrate, this onus being much the same principle as when I come into *your* house, I abide by your rules, you don't mine." I am so tempted to say “ tell that to all the brits living in the Costas and in Portugal for example “ but we won’t go there… Places like Bristol and Liverpool for example were famous for being ports that “the trade of human beings” would go through…. | |||
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"Some cultures are more compatible with each other than others. The question is how to resolve the differences when people with two fundamentally opposite cultural views try to love together. In such an event changes need to be made by the foreign culture in order to integrate, this onus being much the same principle as when I come into *your* house, I abide by your rules, you don't mine. I am so tempted to say “ tell that to all the brits living in the Costas and in Portugal for example “ but we won’t go there… Places like Bristol and Liverpool for example were famous for being ports that “the trade of human beings” would go through…. " Brits have to follow those rules too. And from what I know, lots of people criticise Brits for their behaviour. It's actually universal. People are lazy. Assimilation with other cultures takes time and effort and people will try to avoid doing it as much as possible. | |||
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" Let's be clear, the Angles have ALWAYS been here, since before Britain was even an island. There would have been some mingling with Roman DNA, and also the previously mentioned invaders, but the genetic pool remains largely unchanged. " By always here do you mean the Angles are the Britons who lived here before the Romans arrived (and not the Angles who settled in East Anglia etc.)? Wouldn't that have made Britain England? " Yes, because part of their genetic record has ALWAYS been here, and their lineage has always played a part in this island's history. " Does this include the Royals? Even those descended from William the Bastard? | |||
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"Some cultures are more compatible with each other than others. The question is how to resolve the differences when people with two fundamentally opposite cultural views try to love together. In such an event changes need to be made by the foreign culture in order to integrate, this onus being much the same principle as when I come into *your* house, I abide by your rules, you don't mine. I am so tempted to say “ tell that to all the brits living in the Costas and in Portugal for example “ but we won’t go there…" Go ahead, they should conform to the standards of the country they've chosen to live in " Places like Bristol and Liverpool for example were famous for being ports that “the trade of human beings” would go through…. " Less famously Britain was the first nation in history to willingly end its 'trade of human beings' of it's own accord, at massive cost in blood and money to do so, incurring debts so large they were only paid off in 2014 I believe. You're welcome | |||
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" Let's be clear, the Angles have ALWAYS been here, since before Britain was even an island. There would have been some mingling with Roman DNA, and also the previously mentioned invaders, but the genetic pool remains largely unchanged. By always here do you mean the Angles are the Britons who lived here before the Romans arrived (and not the Angles who settled in East Anglia etc.)? Wouldn't that have made Britain England? " Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? Yes, because part of their genetic record has ALWAYS been here, and their lineage has always played a part in this island's history. " Does this include the Royals? Even those descended from William the Bastard?" The Royal Family famously has heritage from all over Europe, this is true for the entire continent's nobility, historic politics and connections being what they are. This has nothing to do with the indigenous population of Britain however. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? " That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England." Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument?" I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles?" 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope " We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry." Sounds pretty multicultural
Guess people here carried on along the same lines. And being as we've established that... I think it's worked out okay. | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained." If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. Sounds pretty multicultural
Guess people here carried on along the same lines. And being as we've established that... I think it's worked out okay."Britain may well have developed a large mix of native born cultures within our own shores, but that's not what 'multiculturalism' is in the modern context and you know it. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. Sounds pretty multicultural
Guess people here carried on along the same lines. And being as we've established that... I think it's worked out okay.
Britain may well have developed a large mix of native born cultures within our own shores, but that's not what 'multiculturalism' is in the modern context and you know it."do you have a Union Jack in your front garden? | |||
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" Britain may well have developed a large mix of native born cultures within our own shores, but that's not what 'multiculturalism' is in the modern context and you know it." Perhaps you could spell out what it is you'd really like to discuss? | |||
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here.
Whereabouts in the world?"Well, aside from the Vikings, Celts and Normans, immigrant Jews began arriving in numbers around the 11th century, plenty from Beligium and Holland in the 14th, and by the 15th century approximately one in every ten people in England was foreign-born, and in London it was one in six. Or if you're talking about non-white immigrants then there have been Muslims in the UK for a while. There's references to them in the Canterbury Tales (1386) and the first English version of the Qur'an was in 1649. Huge numbers arrived thanks to the East India Company recruiting them. The first mosque was in Cardiff in 1860. There's no end of history of Black African and Caribbean immigration too. I mean. Honestlt. There's a fair bit of info online if you look. Have you explained whether you think multiculturalism is good or bad yet OP? | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. Sounds pretty multicultural
Guess people here carried on along the same lines. And being as we've established that... I think it's worked out okay.
Britain may well have developed a large mix of native born cultures within our own shores, but that's not what 'multiculturalism' is in the modern context and you know it.do you have a Union Jack in your front garden?"I don't but would it be wrong if I did? | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst." Forgive me for feeling like I've heard something similar coming out of continental Europe... back in the 1930s I think it was... | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst. Forgive me for feeling like I've heard something similar coming out of continental Europe... back in the 1930s I think it was..."  | |||
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here.
Whereabouts in the world?
Well, aside from the Vikings, Celts and Normans, immigrant Jews began arriving in numbers around the 11th century, plenty from Beligium and Holland in the 14th, and by the 15th century approximately one in every ten people in England was foreign-born, and in London it was one in six.
Or if you're talking about non-white immigrants then there have been Muslims in the UK for a while. There's references to them in the Canterbury Tales (1386) and the first English version of the Qur'an was in 1649. Huge numbers arrived thanks to the East India Company recruiting them. The first mosque was in Cardiff in 1860. There's no end of history of Black African and Caribbean immigration too.
"I'm curious as to where you read all of this? " I mean. Honestlt. There's a fair bit of info online if you look. " There's massive amounts of disinformation too, and I'm not going to make your arguments for you. " Have you explained whether you think multiculturalism is good or bad yet OP? " A quick scan of the thread will show I'm well engaged in expressing my views. | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst. Forgive me for feeling like I've heard something similar coming out of continental Europe... back in the 1930s I think it was..." Ah, Godwin's Law!  | |||
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"Absolutely surprising to no one how this turned out to be about "pure" bloodlines and claims to British/Englishness or something. No wonder OP didn't want to say what he really wanted to say
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"Some cultures are more compatible with each other than others. The question is how to resolve the differences when people with two fundamentally opposite cultural views try to love together. In such an event changes need to be made by the foreign culture in order to integrate, this onus being much the same principle as when I come into *your* house, I abide by your rules, you don't mine. I am so tempted to say “ tell that to all the brits living in the Costas and in Portugal for example “ but we won’t go there… Go ahead, they should conform to the standards of the country they've chosen to live in Places like Bristol and Liverpool for example were famous for being ports that “the trade of human beings” would go through…. Less famously Britain was the first nation in history to willingly end its 'trade of human beings' of it's own accord, at massive cost in blood and money to do so, incurring debts so large they were only paid off in 2014 I believe. You're welcome "I don't want to side-track this thread, but I guess it's less famous because of some 250 years of comfortably being involved in it prior, with a side order of another 30-odd years before full abolition...and as for the debt, wasn't it this country's choice to pay reparations to sl*vers and their descendants until 2016? Britain indeed was the first, but it's not quite the badge of honour some would like it to be... | |||
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here.
Whereabouts in the world?
Well, aside from the Vikings, Celts and Normans, immigrant Jews began arriving in numbers around the 11th century, plenty from Beligium and Holland in the 14th, and by the 15th century approximately one in every ten people in England was foreign-born, and in London it was one in six.
Or if you're talking about non-white immigrants then there have been Muslims in the UK for a while. There's references to them in the Canterbury Tales (1386) and the first English version of the Qur'an was in 1649. Huge numbers arrived thanks to the East India Company recruiting them. The first mosque was in Cardiff in 1860. There's no end of history of Black African and Caribbean immigration too.
I'm curious as to where you read all of this?"I recommend you read Empireworld by Sathnam Sanghera | |||
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here.
Whereabouts in the world?
Well, aside from the Vikings, Celts and Normans, immigrant Jews began arriving in numbers around the 11th century, plenty from Beligium and Holland in the 14th, and by the 15th century approximately one in every ten people in England was foreign-born, and in London it was one in six.
Or if you're talking about non-white immigrants then there have been Muslims in the UK for a while. There's references to them in the Canterbury Tales (1386) and the first English version of the Qur'an was in 1649. Huge numbers arrived thanks to the East India Company recruiting them. The first mosque was in Cardiff in 1860. There's no end of history of Black African and Caribbean immigration too.
I'm curious as to where you read all of this?
I mean. Honestlt. There's a fair bit of info online if you look.
There's massive amounts of disinformation too, and I'm not going to make your arguments for you.
Have you explained whether you think multiculturalism is good or bad yet OP?
A quick scan of the thread will show I'm well engaged in expressing my views."Well. History books. And not those with an agenda, just the bits with facts and figures. Yes the internet is full of disinformation. As is the press, the media, and pub chats. But I agree with your last point. You've expressed it clearly in the posts I've read since commenting. Thanks. | |||
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"Some forget that the UK has always been multicultural. Always. Back to long before it became the UK there have been people from all over the world here.
Whereabouts in the world?
Well, aside from the Vikings, Celts and Normans, immigrant Jews began arriving in numbers around the 11th century, plenty from Beligium and Holland in the 14th, and by the 15th century approximately one in every ten people in England was foreign-born, and in London it was one in six.
Or if you're talking about non-white immigrants then there have been Muslims in the UK for a while. There's references to them in the Canterbury Tales (1386) and the first English version of the Qur'an was in 1649. Huge numbers arrived thanks to the East India Company recruiting them. The first mosque was in Cardiff in 1860. There's no end of history of Black African and Caribbean immigration too.
I'm curious as to where you read all of this?
I mean. Honestlt. There's a fair bit of info online if you look.
There's massive amounts of disinformation too, and I'm not going to make your arguments for you.
Have you explained whether you think multiculturalism is good or bad yet OP?
A quick scan of the thread will show I'm well engaged in expressing my views.
Well. History books. And not those with an agenda, just the bits with facts and figures."You pulled it out of your arse, I see, kindly clarify that in future and don't waste my time eh? | |||
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I understand that I'm just one more link in a long chain of British history, a particular history, people and culture preceded my life and I would like to see those things continue.
Does that make me a bad person?"Do you think history won't remain? It is after all, just a collection of facts, events and occurrences. Can the 'history' and 'culture' you reference not live alongside the future and other cultures? The word 'multiculturism' does of course relate to more than one. Does a culture have to exist in isolation to survive? Because there's about one indigenous population that I can think of in that situation and that's just because they tend to kill all outside visitors. They live on the North Sentinel Islands. Pretty remote. Pretty isolated. And definitely not multicultural. Also Pretty primitive.  | |||
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I understand that I'm just one more link in a long chain of British history, a particular history, people and culture preceded my life and I would like to see those things continue.
Does that make me a bad person?
Do you think history won't remain? It is after all, just a collection of facts, events and occurrences."History remains only as long as people remember it, and can be easily altered, distorted and outright fabricated "Can the 'history' and 'culture' you reference not live alongside the future and other cultures?" Not cultures which are outright hostile toward it no. You seem to perceive the world as one big bright happy rainbow where we could all hold hands and skip around wearing little hats were it not for mean people like me? | |||
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I understand that I'm just one more link in a long chain of British history, a particular history, people and culture preceded my life and I would like to see those things continue.
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I understand that I'm just one more link in a long chain of British history, a particular history, people and culture preceded my life and I would like to see those things continue.
Does that make me a bad person?
What things are under threat that you want to see continue?
"My racial demographic for one, have you not noticed how much London's make up has shifted over the past few years? And the issue isn't isolated to just that, people are not simply interchangeable, they come with their own histories, cultures and values, their own way of doing things. It's not backward, bigoted or, god forbid, 'racist' to recognise that these are real world, actual problems with far reaching consequences on the future, and I wonder sometimes if people who don't understand this are genuinely ignorant, or so frightened by those things that they refuse to acknowledge them? | |||
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"Ok I'll bite. We colonised other lands and made their people part of our empire. The whole little island mentality brought on by Brexit just seems fucking stupid if you ask me. To now turn around and say we shouldn't be multicultural, or we shouldn't have things like diversity training at work etc is ridiculous. These people aren't stealing your jobs or ruining our identity." You know we weren't the only ones, who came and conquered? We were conquered don't see us blaming other countries continuously. | |||
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I understand that I'm just one more link in a long chain of British history, a particular history, people and culture preceded my life and I would like to see those things continue.
Does that make me a bad person?
What things are under threat that you want to see continue?
My racial demographic for one, have you not noticed how much London's make up has shifted over the past few years?
And the issue isn't isolated to just that, people are not simply interchangeable, they come with their own histories, cultures and values, their own way of doing things.
It's not backward, bigoted or, god forbid, 'racist' to recognise that these are real world, actual problems with far reaching consequences on the future, and I wonder sometimes if people who don't understand this are genuinely ignorant, or so frightened by those things that they refuse to acknowledge them?"Oh shit! Does mean I shouldn't have married an immigrant and had half breed children? I shall immediately banish them as they are encroaching on a racial demographic. I wonder if my wife's ancestors felt the same when a load of white fuckers turned up and started running the place? | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst." In which case we ought to make it illegal for "pure blood" english people to leave England, got to keep them here and keep them breeding. In fact best to deny them passports and not let them travel outside the county they were born in, the sneaky buggers will try to escape if they're allowed holidays. Perhaps we should forcibly repatriate any of them that have already gone to live elsewhere in the world. And certainly, if England has to be for the English, then we couldn't complain if the rest of the world decided that all the expat English should fuck off back to here. | |||
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" Certainly is. Let's say we skip past the part where the Angles settled in Britain after the Romans left... Let's be clear, the Angles have ALWAYS been here, since before Britain was even an island. There would have been some mingling with Roman DNA, and also the previously mentioned invaders, but the genetic pool remains largely unchanged. And so the indigenous population are those who can trace their DNA back to Cheddar man and friends. Are they still 'indigenous' if they also have some French/Danish DNA? Yes, because part of their genetic record has ALWAYS been here, and their lineage has always played a part in this island's history." The bit you missed out is, the angles were a Germanic tribe. Does that make them English now? | |||
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"I was recently having a conversation about British history with a friend. How many of you know why such emphasis is put on the battle of Hastings in 1066? There's no shortage of battles in British history but why are we taught the importance of 1066? The answer is because the defeat of 1066 led to Norman knowledge and technology to arrive in Britain. This transformed Britain which was a sparsely populated outback off Europe into a major European power. So it was invasion which led us to this. Which funnily enough not what the Brekshit supporters would have us believe. Don't take my word for this btw, Google it yourself. British history." I don't know about the knowledge and technology bit. David Mitchell has a good history book including the Battle of Hastings. | |||
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"The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope We’ve always needed immigration. We’re an ageing country with a declining birth rate. We need a workforce to pay taxes, provide services care etc. if we want a standard of living maintained. If we need to boost our population then it makes more sense that we make whatever structural changes necessary to get more indigenous men and women coupling up and having children, bringing in a foreign population to replace us is stupid at best, evil at worst." Shouldn’t people couple with whoever they want to couple with? | |||
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"The 5 people in the 2 bed house next door to me..they're from abroad. I've tried starting conversations but I'm fairly sure they dont talk English. I even brought them some produce from my allotment which they said no to..they're ignorant bastards, thay definitely don't strengthen my street. I'm sure they're all doctors and whatnot though and will be somehow adding strength somewhere or somehow, I'm sure of it. " They're ignorant bastards because they don't want veg from your allotment? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist." What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, " Is that necessarily bad? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, " Diluted? I've not seen that on my travels worldwide. And there's a lot of 'native culture' that needs to disappear. Just because some things are viewed as 'traditional' doesn't make them right or morally acceptable. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, " This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad?" Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad | |||
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" I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, " But the people coming over change their culture too? My mates are third generation and are as English as me , in fact more so as they drink and enjoy pubs Culture always changes, I would hate to go back 50 years and live in this country because im a product of modern society. In 50 years they'll say the same thing. Culture is not some fixed thing that inherently stays the same. Everything is going to change and white will die out (as will every other race other than mixed) | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Diluted? I've not seen that on my travels worldwide. And there's a lot of 'native culture' that needs to disappear. Just because some things are viewed as 'traditional' doesn't make them right or morally acceptable. " Out of interest what needs to disappear ? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad? Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad" Can you give any examples where this has happened? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad? Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad Can you give any examples where this has happened? " I'm not a history expert but surely that would happen to a native population if you import more then what already there, people from North and South America have been reduced in great numbers | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, " Diluted is an interesting word here, I would say we evolve surely. What you regard as quintessentially English as fish and chips, the Victorians wouldn't know what fish and chips are. Fish and chips as a dish has only been around just over a hundred years, it's a product of immigration, chips were derived from french fries, it was mixed with the Jewish immigrants ideas of frying fish in batter, this fish and chips is born in the UK. Is this fish and chips a dilution of the previous British culture or a better version of it? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad? Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad Can you give any examples where this has happened? I'm not a history expert but surely that would happen to a native population if you import more then what already there, people from North and South America have been reduced in great numbers" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration  | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English."Yes. That's why theft of land and genocide are good. And why immigration (except when we want our place in the sun!) is bad | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad? Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad Can you give any examples where this has happened? I'm not a history expert but surely that would happen to a native population if you import more then what already there, people from North and South America have been reduced in great numbers" Are you referring to the genocide of indigenous populations centuries ago by Western settlers - mainly the British, Spanish and Portuguese? Because somehow I don't see anyone invading the UK for its natural resources anytime soon. Any recent examples that didn't happen that long ago? | |||
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Also very English."I think you're confusing English with human history | |||
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Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history "Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty! | |||
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Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!"Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, Is that necessarily bad? Ok diluted until its eventually replace, I think the native population of that country will think its bad Can you give any examples where this has happened? I'm not a history expert but surely that would happen to a native population if you import more then what already there, people from North and South America have been reduced in great numbers Are you referring to the genocide of indigenous populations centuries ago by Western settlers - mainly the British, Spanish and Portuguese? Because somehow I don't see anyone invading the UK for its natural resources anytime soon. Any recent examples that didn't happen that long ago? " I'd be quite happy to hear about any examples of legal immigration, which it's been compared to, that do even a measurable fraction of the harm that the dispossession worse across multiple continents has done to indigenous peoples. | |||
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Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years "And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there? The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they? | |||
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Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?"You're making many good points, but unfortunately you're arguing with someone with a chronic case of whataboutism. Doesn't matter what you say, they will always ignore your point and try and divert to something else | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?
You're making many good points, but unfortunately you're arguing with someone with a chronic case of whataboutism. Doesn't matter what you say, they will always ignore your point and try and divert to something else " | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?"I've never said its comparable, I'll leave it with what I originally said in my first post, The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?
I've never said its comparable,
I'll leave it with what I originally said in my first post,
The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope"Hundreds? Maybe if you're a tiny insignificant nation that lacks the technology to deal with tiny (on the scale of the population of Britain) fluctuations in population. Or doesn't have massive shortages in certain sectors. I know Britain is declining in the world, but it's sad to hear that it's so weak and pitiful that it can't deal with a significantly insignificant alteration in population, particularly given the net tax advantages that immigrants bring. Fortunately it isn't true, it's just bullshit rags sell the gullible to sell more papers. | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?
I've never said its comparable,
I'll leave it with what I originally said in my first post,
The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope"You've not understood why the UK government wants immigration, currently a working age person balances the pensioners around 1:1 meaning there's one working age person paying tax for each pensioner, by our demographics of people living longer and the falling fertility rates soon each working age person is going to have to pay tax for 2 pensioners. We therefore need more young working age people to balance out. This is the reason why we have immigration. It's not just about what the immigrants want, we also have a requirement that they fulfill. | |||
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Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
The British Empire part of human history?
Similar to what?"Theft and genocide are the same as immigration and other people did it too. Besides, Britain has declined so mightily from its heyday on the backs of the peoples it imprisoned and exploited that it cannot handle a miniscule fraction of administration that any modern state can easily deal with. Puny and weak, Great Britain reveals that it was only capable of prosperity through crimes against humanity. How sad indeed. | |||
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" Yes, theft of land, genocide, etc, are entirely equivalent to immigration
Also very English.
I think you're confusing English with human history
Mummy, other children did bad things too, therefore you can't tell me I'm naughty!
Theft of land, genocide is mentioned as a bad thing but don't mention that its been going on for thousands of years
And that makes modern immigration in any way comparable to the unspeakable crimes of Britain (Spain, Portugal, and others) how? Which modern immigrants took to an island (Tasmania), rounding up the inhabitants and driving their unique racial group to complete extinction, just so some convicts could be dumped there?
The rivers of blood are not being caused by immigrants to Britain in any recent history, are they?
I've never said its comparable,
I'll leave it with what I originally said in my first post,
The problem has never been multiculturalism its the numbers, There has to be a cut off point or limited numbers of people entering the country, You can't keep letting hundreds of people come in and expect the nation to cope
You've not understood why the UK government wants immigration, currently a working age person balances the pensioners around 1:1 meaning there's one working age person paying tax for each pensioner, by our demographics of people living longer and the falling fertility rates soon each working age person is going to have to pay tax for 2 pensioners. We therefore need more young working age people to balance out. This is the reason why we have immigration. It's not just about what the immigrants want, we also have a requirement that they fulfill."Facts never get in the way here | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument?" No this island was called Britain when the Romans invaded. It's indigenous population was the Celts, The Briton (who retreated towards Cornwal/Devon), In Scotland it was the Scots and Picts. The Saxons, Angles, Jutes came a lot late from Germany. 5th, 6th century. Then in the 8th century Came the Danes(Vikings) England was several Kingdoms Wessex (Saxons). Kent (Jutes). Anglia (Angles). Northhumbria (Danes). Wales (Welsh). Scotland (Pics,Scots,). Ireland (Celts). Mercia (Saxons). Cornwal/Devon. (Britons) All had there own languages and culture of which hardly anything remains. It got replaced with England which means one land and English which was pushed by the Saxons to control the rest. Later came The Normans (Northmen) half Viking half French. Namely William The Conquer. Most of the castles and laws we have, the Normans implemented. | |||
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"I couldn't really be bothered to pick through the garbage pile but these little nuggets jumped out. You’re a white middle aged man. You’re part of the most privileged group in history. Really? What affirmative actions and diversity quotas do I benefit from? I know for a fact that there are jobs that specifically discriminate against white people, and the recent 'black only' stage play also springs to mind... Seriously, fuck racists. Fuck them with bricks. Probably best keep the tough talk online Mr skinnyfat." Positive discrimination is unlawful in the UK, so if you know it's happening, I'd report it. The company would be in breach of the law. | |||
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"I used to work with a guy who believed that as a white man in the UK, he was in the least advantaged category of person. He was a higher rank than me in the military, which not only undermined his point, but was a damning indictment of the promotion system. What I'm trying to say is, he was also an idiot." How did it undermine his point? Your opinion is that he was an idiot, but in order to reach his rank he would have had to perform to the required standard, only in his case his race didn't afford him any advantages. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry." They didn't share the same ancestry. The Danes didn't want there woman marrying Saxons, and Saxons didn't want there women marrying Danes. This applied to most of the different ethnicities. It was only a lot later the started intermarrying when there cultures were being absorbed into Christianity. Watch The Last Kingdom (Netflix) | |||
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"I couldn't really be bothered to pick through the garbage pile but these little nuggets jumped out. You’re a white middle aged man. You’re part of the most privileged group in history. Really? What affirmative actions and diversity quotas do I benefit from? I know for a fact that there are jobs that specifically discriminate against white people, and the recent 'black only' stage play also springs to mind... Seriously, fuck racists. Fuck them with bricks. Probably best keep the tough talk online Mr skinnyfat. Positive discrimination is unlawful in the UK, so if you know it's happening, I'd report it. The company would be in breach of the law." The role in question was at the BBC, it was well known a little while back, but nothing came of it.' | |||
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"I used to work with a guy who believed that as a white man in the UK, he was in the least advantaged category of person. He was a higher rank than me in the military, which not only undermined his point, but was a damning indictment of the promotion system. What I'm trying to say is, he was also an idiot. How did it undermine his point? Your opinion is that he was an idiot, but in order to reach his rank he would have had to perform to the required standard, only in his case his race didn't afford him any advantages." It's sweet that you think his race didn't afford him any advantages in the highly subjective way military promotions work. Whatever fits your agenda man | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. They didn't share the same ancestry. The Danes didn't want there woman marrying Saxons, and Saxons didn't want there women marrying Danes. This applied to most of the different ethnicities." I didn't say anything about the Danes and Saxons...
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"I used to work with a guy who believed that as a white man in the UK, he was in the least advantaged category of person. He was a higher rank than me in the military, which not only undermined his point, but was a damning indictment of the promotion system. What I'm trying to say is, he was also an idiot. How did it undermine his point? Your opinion is that he was an idiot, but in order to reach his rank he would have had to perform to the required standard, only in his case his race didn't afford him any advantages. It's sweet that you think his race didn't afford him any advantages in the highly subjective way military promotions work. Whatever fits your agenda man" It's not my agenda I'm simply speculating on why he outranked you, clearly not because of his race as you're clearly white yourself. Perhaps he was a better soldier? | |||
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"I used to work with a guy who believed that as a white man in the UK, he was in the least advantaged category of person. He was a higher rank than me in the military, which not only undermined his point, but was a damning indictment of the promotion system. What I'm trying to say is, he was also an idiot. How did it undermine his point? Your opinion is that he was an idiot, but in order to reach his rank he would have had to perform to the required standard, only in his case his race didn't afford him any advantages. It's sweet that you think his race didn't afford him any advantages in the highly subjective way military promotions work. Whatever fits your agenda man It's not my agenda I'm simply speculating on why he outranked you, clearly not because of his race as you're clearly white yourself. Perhaps he was a better soldier?" What racial group do you identify as? Mrs x | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? I'm suggesting maybe Britain came first, as did the Britons? And the Angles arrived along with the Saxons and Jutes after the Romans left. Which would maybe make the Britons more indigenous than the Angles? 'Britons' is just another name for the people living here, Angles, Celts, Jutes, Iceni, they're ALL 'Britons' and descended from the original inhabitants, just because they splintered off into their own tribes doesn't change that they share the same ancestry. They didn't share the same ancestry. The Danes didn't want there woman marrying Saxons, and Saxons didn't want there women marrying Danes. This applied to most of the different ethnicities. I didn't say anything about the Danes and Saxons...
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You might as well tell me you read it in the Guardian."No mate you don't like the truth. The one's you did mention didn't intermarry and came from different places. So don't how figured out they share the same ancestry? Evidence is still around us. Welsh have their own language. Celts(Irish) have their own language. Why didn't you mention Saxons and Danes? They probably had the biggest influence in their time on this country. | |||
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"What racial group do you identify as? Mrs x" It's not about what I identify as, it's what I am, which is British. | |||
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"What racial group do you identify as? Mrs x It's not about what I identify as, it's what I am, which is British." What's British in your view? | |||
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"No mate you don't like the truth. The one's you did mention didn't intermarry and came from different places. So don't how figured out they share the same ancestry? Evidence is still around us. Welsh have their own language. Celts(Irish) have their own language." Like the person before, I don't know why you find this so difficult to understand - at one point in ancient history the British Isles were attached to the landmass which would eventually become Europe, when it broke away it took some of the natives of that land with it, these were the original inhabitants and would later splinter off into multiple groups. I doesn't matter how they differentiated themselves, the cultures/languages they had, they all came down from the same people, and were always here, and in modern times the native Britons are their descendants. " Why didn't you mention Saxons and Danes? They probably had the biggest influence in their time on this country. " Because I'm talking about the original inhabitants of the land, not it's invaders. | |||
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"The ‘ENGLISH’ do not exist! Erm, the indigenous population of England doesn't exist? "We have been invaded over the yesrs by the romans, vikings, French, and god knows who else. So the native english, is in fact multicultural. | |||
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Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we?
England reminds me of a yappy Jack Russell with short stuff syndrome....
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict." Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* | |||
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug*" For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it. | |||
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it." Like, say, "setting a cat among the pigeons", per your OP? Maybe if the UK wants less multiculturalism, it can do more to help countries suffering from the climate change which the Industrial Revolution started, for example. Restore aid. Do something about the ongoing trauma from historic injustices in Africa, which it was a part of. Nah. Complaining about victimhood is more fun. Knowledge and context require reading and introspection. Being a super strong victim is great, because internal consistency is a tool of the libs | |||
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it." Don't get rid of football. That would be sad. And it's very British, so I thought you'd be a fan. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it. Don't get rid of football. That would be sad. And it's very British, so I thought you'd be a fan." I was just trying to make it not a race thing FFS. D*unken idiots outside my window WHILE I'M TRYING TO SLEEP. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
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Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native! "Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood. Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
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Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it. Like, say, "setting a cat among the pigeons", per your OP? " There's a bit of a difference between provoking heated discussion and violent bloodshed? " Maybe if the UK wants less multiculturalism, it can do more to help countries suffering from the climate change which the Industrial Revolution started, for example. Restore aid. Do something about the ongoing trauma from historic injustices in Africa, which it was a part of." I'm old enough to remember when 'climate change' was referred to as 'global warming' and 'the greenhouse effect', they change the name every few years to keep the scare going - and according to Greta Thunberg, we should all be dead by now, ast least that's what she said in a tweet back in 2018. As for the industrial revolution, it raised the standard of living across the world and made the modern world possible - rough with the smooth eh? And Africa has received TRILLIONS in foreign aid over the decades. | |||
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" Not sure what point you're trying to make here, do you believe the Angles teleported in or something? That Britain was takes its name from the Brittons. And that England takes its name from Angle Land. And had the Angles been here from the beginning as you suggest, it would seem odd that our island was named Britain and not England. Britain is the name of the Isle, England is one of the four countries which compose it. Not sure why you think you've just made an argument? No this island was called Britain when the Romans invaded. It's indigenous population was the Celts, The Briton (who retreated towards Cornwal/Devon), In Scotland it was the Scots and Picts. The Saxons, Angles, Jutes came a lot late from Germany. 5th, 6th century. Then in the 8th century Came the Danes(Vikings) England was several Kingdoms Wessex (Saxons). Kent (Jutes). Anglia (Angles). Northhumbria (Danes). Wales (Welsh). Scotland (Pics,Scots,). Ireland (Celts). Mercia (Saxons). Cornwal/Devon. (Britons) All had there own languages and culture of which hardly anything remains. It got replaced with England which means one land and English which was pushed by the Saxons to control the rest. Later came The Normans (Northmen) half Viking half French. Namely William The Conquer. Most of the castles and laws we have, the Normans implemented." Whoop whoop for the Welsh and the Cornish - keeping it native since fuck knows when | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
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Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish."I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart... | |||
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"Let people be people, other countries manage the fusion of culture and interwine it into their communities why can't we? Which ones? It strikes me that everywhere in the world you have disparate cultures living side by side, you have conflict. Christ, the pub near me occasionally has punch ups between United and City fans, and that's a made up division of watching rich people kick a ball around while wearing different coloured clothes. Conflict is just human *shrug* For once we can agree on something. But just because conflict is human doesn't mean you should do things to encourage it. Like, say, "setting a cat among the pigeons", per your OP? There's a bit of a difference between provoking heated discussion and violent bloodshed? Maybe if the UK wants less multiculturalism, it can do more to help countries suffering from the climate change which the Industrial Revolution started, for example. Restore aid. Do something about the ongoing trauma from historic injustices in Africa, which it was a part of. I'm old enough to remember when 'climate change' was referred to as 'global warming' and 'the greenhouse effect', they change the name every few years to keep the scare going - and according to Greta Thunberg, we should all be dead by now, ast least that's what she said in a tweet back in 2018. As for the industrial revolution, it raised the standard of living across the world and made the modern world possible - rough with the smooth eh? And Africa has received TRILLIONS in foreign aid over the decades." Oh. So you don't like or understand facts. That's fun. Just remember to take the credit for the loss in arable land and death of billions due to climate change (by any name) along with the rise in inequality and exploitation of some in the global south, eh? Britain is number one! Hurrah! Speaking of trillions, how much support did Africa require before colonisation? Such colonialist shit, leaving a place fouled up with your messes and not cleaning up. Then crying victim | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart..."Can I do it in winter? My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun  | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when 'climate change' was referred to as 'global warming' and 'the greenhouse effect', they change the name every few years to keep the scare going - and according to Greta Thunberg, we should all be dead by now, ast least that's what she said in a tweet back in 2018." Just a quick google later... Climate skeptics jumped on the deleted tweet as evidence of climate alarmism, insinuating that Thunberg's tweet suggested that, if climate science was accurate, humanity should be extinct at the time of this reporting. Several problems exist with that narrative. First and foremost is the fact that the tweet and the article it linked to never said that humanity would vanish in 2023. Second, and also of crucial importance, is the "top climate scientist" referenced in the underlying article never actually said what these reports asserted him to have said. I love Snopes | |||
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"I'm old enough to remember when 'climate change' was referred to as 'global warming' and 'the greenhouse effect', they change the name every few years to keep the scare going - and according to Greta Thunberg, we should all be dead by now, ast least that's what she said in a tweet back in 2018. Just a quick google later... Climate skeptics jumped on the deleted tweet as evidence of climate alarmism, insinuating that Thunberg's tweet suggested that, if climate science was accurate, humanity should be extinct at the time of this reporting. Several problems exist with that narrative. First and foremost is the fact that the tweet and the article it linked to never said that humanity would vanish in 2023. Second, and also of crucial importance, is the "top climate scientist" referenced in the underlying article never actually said what these reports asserted him to have said. I love Snopes" I love how climate change denial has failed so badly it's just like "yeah it's happening but maybe we didn't do it and even if we did we can't prosecute anyone and let's enjoy life before the mass extinctions" Fun times. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun "Bastards creep up on you like that. In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is... | |||
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"I love Snopes" Would this be the 'fact checking' hard left site Snopes which gets routinely humiliated by the community notes on Twitter? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is..."It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods* | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is..."Things rarely are simple, are they? I probably look very British. Ironically the pale is probably more the Irish in me (that part of my heritage probably has a fair bit to do with the English persecution of the Irish. It's British shittiness and turtles all the way down). Combined with Australian sun sense because cancer is bad | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is...
It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods*"I like cricket. I don't like hiding people in my closet. They scratch and cry and want to be fed. (No people British or otherwise have been harmed in the making of this joke) | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is...
It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods*"Full disclosure, I might have one or two. I don't want to freak anyone one out, but we're a family of - whisper it - mixed heritage. Filthy mud-bloods. | |||
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" It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods* Full disclosure, I might have one or two. I don't want to freak anyone one out, but we're a family of - whisper it - mixed heritage. Filthy mud-bloods." Why are you keeping them in your closet? | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is...
It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods*"But, more importantly, if you're not passing the Tebbit Cricket Test, you can get straight back to "where you came from" | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is...
It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods*
Full disclosure, I might have one or two.
I don't want to freak anyone one out, but we're a family of - whisper it - mixed heritage. Filthy mud-bloods."I'm probably at least 80% English, but not like most English people - there's a point at which my English ancestors all scramble, people from Shropshire marrying people from London and Lancashire marrying people from Cornwall. Expelling people to the other side of the world with no hope of seeing their families again (cruel, hmm, a pattern) leads to some weird mix ups that didn't happen outside colonialism. | |||
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"Multiculturalism is in nearly every country on the planet, But every country would like to keep their own customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour for generations to come, Just because a White middle aged Man says it it doesn't mean he is racist. What customs, belief system, religion and social behaviour have we lost? Just out of interest.....? I haven't said we have lost any but the more and more different cultures come in to a country the more diluted the native culture gets, This is good
Cup of tea anyone?
Or coffee?
(Great English customs)
Mead please. But alcohol free cos I'm a tee(tea) totaller.
My lily white "English" ass just loves these threads. Which bit of the world shall I be sent back to? Cos I sure as hell am not a true native!
Look, it's simple KC. According to the OP, if you can trace your family tree back some 450,000 years to when the British Isles split from mainland Europe, you're of pure British blood.
Bloody invaders have been diluting our culture ever since, and now there's nothing left. It's an outrage.
Oh shit. We doing the one drop rule? I thought that was American fuckery.
I got more than one drop. A few more if we're going back to no dogs no Irish.
I don't make the rules. But kindly stand next to this colour chart...
Can I do it in winter?
My ancestor - who was owned by the delightful British who were against that sort of thing and paid reparations to owners for an incredibly long time - tends to show himself in my skin tone when I've seen some sun
Bastards creep up on you like that.
In a cruel twist of fate, my ancestors (on one side) were as white as the driven snow (OP would like them - proper Brits, military, Empire administrators) but have been brown-washed from my appearance. It's almost as if this shit isn't as simple as the OP thinks it is...
It's very simple. If you have any non Britons in your closet, then it simply isn't cricket *nods*
But, more importantly, if you're not passing the Tebbit Cricket Test, you can get straight back to "where you came from""On 'yer bike, son! Off you go! | |||
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