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"I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, it was if military service should be mandatory or not. They talked about the benefits, especially for the younger ones like those who are finishing college to do a semester of 4 month of it and what it will teach them, like, being punctual, show respect, team work and having a clean room, amongst other things. I agree with them and the points they talked about. I think that it would be a good idea. What is your view about it and do you think it is a good idea, how would they implement it, should it be at the end of the term? "As long as it’s applicable to both sexes. Equality and all that. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, it was if military service should be mandatory or not. They talked about the benefits, especially for the younger ones like those who are finishing college to do a semester of 4 month of it and what it will teach them, like, being punctual, show respect, team work and having a clean room, amongst other things. I agree with them and the points they talked about. I think that it would be a good idea. What is your view about it and do you think it is a good idea, how would they implement it, should it be at the end of the term? "Pencil neck pen pushers who get irrate at people with opposing views, great idea.  | |||
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"No. " wheres your sense of patriotism | |||
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"No. wheres your sense of patriotism "Gone for a burton! | |||
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"No. wheres your sense of patriotism
Gone for a burton! "lol hey..... Shun! Ease! | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. " It would have to be everyone | |||
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"No. " Hell no! Just parent your damned kids. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. " Why just males, not a criticism of your comment, just wondering why you think it should only apply to males. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone" It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. " So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. Why just males, not a criticism of your comment, just wondering why you think it should only apply to males. " The women should be looking after the children, or in a secretarial position/ retail(shop assistant) position until they have children, I think it time to put some structure back in society, this modern experiment has run its course and proved the down fall of society, time to get back to a bit of traditionalism. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too?" My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. Why just males, not a criticism of your comment, just wondering why you think it should only apply to males. The women should be looking after the children, or in a secretarial position/ retail(shop assistant) position until they have children, I think it time to put some structure back in society, this modern experiment has run its course and proved the down fall of society, time to get back to a bit of traditionalism. "Wow I really hope this is sarcasm and you are not actually serious!! | |||
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"Yes it should .on a condition that if you leave school .college .without a job to go to ,then you get conscripted to one of the forces .better than the dole .at least you can learn a trade and have an input in society when you leave .rather than learning to live off benefits ! Just my opinion" And the young people who would kill themselves due to the 'endemic bullying' in the army - what about them and their families? | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range "Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. Why just males, not a criticism of your comment, just wondering why you think it should only apply to males. The women should be looking after the children, or in a secretarial position/ retail(shop assistant) position until they have children, I think it time to put some structure back in society, this modern experiment has run its course and proved the down fall of society, time to get back to a bit of traditionalism. "Bring back the 50s | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. Why just males, not a criticism of your comment, just wondering why you think it should only apply to males. The women should be looking after the children, or in a secretarial position/ retail(shop assistant) position until they have children, I think it time to put some structure back in society, this modern experiment has run its course and proved the down fall of society, time to get back to a bit of traditionalism.
Wow I really hope this is sarcasm and you are not actually serious!! "Of course he’s serious, what’s controversial about it? | |||
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"But why would it have to be military service? The skills you espouse are basic social skills. These basic life skills should be taught at home. Someone who has not picked this up in 18+ years is not going to learn it in a few months with some marching thrown in. More daily mail headline grabbing bullshit. " That would mean parents taking responsibility rather than expect others like schools or in this case the army to teach their kids those basic skills you are alluding to. Always hard to look in the mirror and one's own failures. The sad thing is that several generations already lack those too and is hard to teach what you don't know or practice. Also there are so many other issues in society that can influence a child's upbringing. Not sure how to turn back the clock really or fix it but I doubt that compulsory conscription is the answer. Perhaps is the same people advocating modern day 'workhouses' for those claiming benefits or perhaps just Dickens fans.  | |||
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"Nope, I don’t think they should. Reason being is kids nowadays aren’t the kids doing NS back then. No amount of training, discipline etc is going to change their attitudes, it’s deeply rooted and the military isn’t there to do the job their parents should be doing 24/6. " Kids are no different now than they were back in the day! X | |||
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"I’m not sure why folk think the answer to difficult young adults is to throw them into military service. The military has their fair share of problem folk, just check out the military court listings. " Which is an absolute drop in the ocean compared to their civilian counterparts | |||
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"Out of the recruits who join up, less than 30% actually pass out. I would also put for your consideration; the cost and the manpower to train all these young people (when forces numbers are at their historic lowest). A non-starter" Erm? Where did you get that stat from? Absolutely NOT true | |||
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"[Removed by poster at 04/03/24 07:28:31]" I would do it. Would never ask my kids to do something I wouldnt | |||
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"Yes it should .on a condition that if you leave school .college .without a job to go to ,then you get conscripted to one of the forces .better than the dole .at least you can learn a trade and have an input in society when you leave .rather than learning to live off benefits ! Just my opinion" This was an episode of yes prime minister. The sarcasm of 40 years ago is today's government policy. Just look at the episode where they talk about wrapping on fag packets. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either."You've only mentioned 'endemic bullying' a few times on this thread! Did you serve? | |||
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"No I don't think it should be mandatory There seems to be a belief recently that making everyone conform to the states idea of how we should behave will solve all our problems. " | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
You've only mentioned 'endemic bullying' a few times on this thread!
Did you serve?"12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it. That sounds pretty endemic to me. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me."I'd be interested to see stars for PSAs in schools, other civilian sector jobs too. | |||
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"Yes, a few months course. Just to help toughen people." What do you mean by toughen people? | |||
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"No not a chance. There's no place for it in a modern military. You want trained personal that can operate and equip your high tech fighting equipment to pursue warfare in the most efficient and cost effective way. Making it mandatory costs money which draws money away from high quality training for volunteers and equipment. All you create is cannon fodder. Expensive cannon fodder. On average the UK spends £60,000 per solider on training and equipment before they pass out. A single cruise missile costs roughly £2 million. The difference being you usually only need one cruise missile at a time to prove your point. How many soldiers do you require to prove that same point? How many will die? What price do you put on a human life?" Near peer adversaries cannot afford cruise missiles so they send thousands of soldiers to terrorise the population. You still need soldiers to kill those attacking you. | |||
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"Can they make all politicians also serve 12 months compulsory before being allowed into office "Yes. Gets my vote. Infantry too. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me."It also depends what you read. The British Medical Journal: Conclusions The study shows that suicide rates in the Armed Forces have been lower than in the general population over many decades. The sharp reductions in suicide rates over the last 30 years suggest the effectiveness of recent preventative measures, including reductions in access to a method of suicide and well-being initiatives. | |||
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"Can they make all politicians also serve 12 months compulsory before being allowed into office
Yes. Gets my vote. Infantry too."Ditto.. And the sons and daughters of said plus the establishment are in the front line at the onset.. | |||
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"Can they make all politicians also serve 12 months compulsory before being allowed into office
Yes. Gets my vote. Infantry too."I would love to have had some politicians in training lol it would have been comedy gold | |||
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"Can they make all politicians also serve 12 months compulsory before being allowed into office
Yes. Gets my vote. Infantry too.
I would love to have had some politicians in training lol it would have been comedy gold "Michael Gove on an assault course. It would be timeless. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
You've only mentioned 'endemic bullying' a few times on this thread!
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me.
I'd be interested to see stars for PSAs in schools, other civilian sector jobs too."I’ve no doubt it’s as high, or higher in other sectors, especially the NHS for instance, the difference being that no one is suggesting making NHS service mandatory. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
You've only mentioned 'endemic bullying' a few times on this thread!
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me.
I'd be interested to see stars for PSAs in schools, other civilian sector jobs too.
I’ve no doubt it’s as high, or higher in other sectors, especially the NHS for instance, the difference being that no one is suggesting making NHS service mandatory."I'll flip it too. Ask most soldiers about conscription.and 99% would disagree with it. The 1% being the idle who would want to see a warm body do a task that they would have to do instead. The Army is struggling to recruit (after culling 25k personnel) but conscription is not the answer nor do I think it will ever happen. Certainly in our lifetimes. For some, the army would absolutely be the answer, providing structure, discipline, values and standards. For others they would undermine the teamwork and camaraderie already in place. | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me.
I'd be interested to see stars for PSAs in schools, other civilian sector jobs too.
I’ve no doubt it’s as high, or higher in other sectors, especially the NHS for instance, the difference being that no one is suggesting making NHS service mandatory.
I'll flip it too. Ask most soldiers about conscription.and 99% would disagree with it. The 1% being the idle who would want to see a warm body do a task that they would have to do instead.
The Army is struggling to recruit (after culling 25k personnel) but conscription is not the answer nor do I think it will ever happen. Certainly in our lifetimes.
For some, the army would absolutely be the answer, providing structure, discipline, values and standards. For others they would undermine the teamwork and camaraderie already in place.
"I think that unless in extreme circumstances, i.e. WWI or WWII the military should always be voluntary. I’ve no doubt that it could be beneficial for many people but that should always be their choice. I hope you’re right about conscription, mainly because it means there’s not been a war! | |||
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"Yes, I think all males between the ages of 18 - 21 should serve an 18 month National Service. It would have to be everyone It would be whom ever the legislation dictated, know doubt there would be plenty of medical reasons etc for noncompliance. So if the legislation said it should include 55 year olds you'd be happy to do it too? My heart condition would rule me out whatever the age range
Fair. Given the 'endemic bullying' which drives people in the army to suicide, it's for the best that you shouldn't go through it. I just don't think anyone else should either.
You've only mentioned 'endemic bullying' a few times on this thread!
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12% of military personnel say they have experienced bullying, harassment, or discrimination in the last year. This rises to 14% of women in the military. 90% say they won’t speak out due to fear of reprisals and because they don’t think anything will be done about it.
That sounds pretty endemic to me.
I'd be interested to see stars for PSAs in schools, other civilian sector jobs too.
I’ve no doubt it’s as high, or higher in other sectors, especially the NHS for instance, the difference being that no one is suggesting making NHS service mandatory.
I'll flip it too. Ask most soldiers about conscription.and 99% would disagree with it. The 1% being the idle who would want to see a warm body do a task that they would have to do instead.
The Army is struggling to recruit (after culling 25k personnel) but conscription is not the answer nor do I think it will ever happen. Certainly in our lifetimes.
For some, the army would absolutely be the answer, providing structure, discipline, values and standards. For others they would undermine the teamwork and camaraderie already in place.
I think that unless in extreme circumstances, i.e. WWI or WWII the military should always be voluntary. I’ve no doubt that it could be beneficial for many people but that should always be their choice. I hope you’re right about conscription, mainly because it means there’s not been a war!"There won't be. Article 5 of the NATO agreement sees to this. The only worry is a mad russian with his finger on a button. Ain't there ain't jack shit anyone can do about that seemingly. | |||
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. We have crumbling public services that are near the point of failure, which would be the more sensible choice for funding.
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"No not a chance. There's no place for it in a modern military. You want trained personal that can operate and equip your high tech fighting equipment to pursue warfare in the most efficient and cost effective way. Making it mandatory costs money which draws money away from high quality training for volunteers and equipment. All you create is cannon fodder. Expensive cannon fodder. On average the UK spends £60,000 per solider on training and equipment before they pass out. A single cruise missile costs roughly £2 million. The difference being you usually only need one cruise missile at a time to prove your point. How many soldiers do you require to prove that same point? How many will die? What price do you put on a human life? Near peer adversaries cannot afford cruise missiles so they send thousands of soldiers to terrorise the population. You still need soldiers to kill those attacking you." You do, but better a trained volunteer army than a bunch of people forced into it. The peninsula war of the end of the 18th century taught us that much. Trained British volunteers that could fire no less than 3 rounds per minute versus a much larger conscripted Napoleonic french army that could not. | |||
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"Who would do the jobs that these people were doing? " It’s only a few months, if they did it at 18 for a few months it would be before they joined the workforce or went to further education. After a few months of a sgt major balling at them they would think just turning up and doing a days work was not so bad after all. | |||
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"No. 1) I was a professional soldier and I did it because I wanted to and because I was good at it. It’s a fucking insult to lump my colleagues and I in with wasters and layabouts. 2) why should the army clear up society’s mess? 3) it’s hard enough sometimes getting blokes who joined out of choice to get up and go on stag when it’s -15 and fucking wet outside, or to put the effort in on their fourth platoon attack of the day, or any of the other difficult things we had to do. Why the fuck should I have to work with someone who doesn’t want to be there? " Because lots of old people who never had to do it think it’s exactly what teenagers, who behave exactly like they did back in the day, need. | |||
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"No. Hell no! Just parent your damned kids. " That is half the problem. Some parents cannot do this because they under influences or just use physical force upon them. That makes them behave the way they do. Or they influenced other ways with good parents. | |||
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"No. 1) I was a professional soldier and I did it because I wanted to and because I was good at it. It’s a fucking insult to lump my colleagues and I in with wasters and layabouts. 2) why should the army clear up society’s mess? 3) it’s hard enough sometimes getting blokes who joined out of choice to get up and go on stag when it’s -15 and fucking wet outside, or to put the effort in on their fourth platoon attack of the day, or any of the other difficult things we had to do. Why the fuck should I have to work with someone who doesn’t want to be there? Because lots of old people who never had to do it think it’s exactly what teenagers, who behave exactly like they did back in the day, need." Exactly this!!! “Back in my day my dad had to do national service before I was born and it never did me any harm.” The last discharged national service personal in the UK was discharged in 1963 at age 21. That makes said person 82. 61 years without a single person in national service… I think we’re doing ok… | |||
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"Out of the recruits who join up, less than 30% actually pass out. I would also put for your consideration; the cost and the manpower to train all these young people (when forces numbers are at their historic lowest). A non-starter A former soldier of 21 years service who spent his last 2 years in recruitment Erm? Where did you get that stat from? Absolutely NOT true" | |||
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"I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, it was if military service should be mandatory or not. They talked about the benefits, especially for the younger ones like those who are finishing college to do a semester of 4 month of it and what it will teach them, like, being punctual, show respect, team work and having a clean room, amongst other things. I agree with them and the points they talked about. I think that it would be a good idea. What is your view about it and do you think it is a good idea, how would they implement it, should it be at the end of the term?
As long as it’s applicable to both sexes. Equality and all that."Yes, you are right there, as long as it is for both sexes too | |||
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Pencil neck pen pushers who get irrate at people with opposing views, great idea. "Another plump middle aged man talking about sending young men into military service. Would you join the military sir ? | |||
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It's very easy for adults in their 40's and older to say young adults should have mandatory military service.
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"Haven’t heard any more from our OP, Shag, I’m wondering if he raised the discussion as Sweden I believe still has a form of National Service. What are the views on this back in Sweden Shag, are people proud and willing to play their part or is opinion as decisive as it is here on this thread. " He’s buried in haribos | |||
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"An alternative could be a period of "national" service. Not in terms of what happened in the 50s, but choices for all under 25s to undertake a period of activity that is beneficial to the nation as a whole. That could be some form of basic military training, but it could equally be something like undertaking a role that benefits vulnerable members of society, or has environmental or ecological benefits. " Why under 25s? Why not extend it to everyone and we can all help benefit the nation as a whole? Or is it only a good idea for those of us who know we won't have to do it... | |||
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As long as it’s applicable to both sexes. Equality and all that."And all ethnicities and religions, no hiding behind those little books  | |||
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"Every generation seems to produce its crop of older people muttering about the shortcomings of "the youth of today". They don't possess enough discipline. They aren't tough enough. They want everything handed to them. They need to learn how to do a day's work. They could do with some structure. And on, and on... I was "the youth of today" in the 1980s, and you got a certain number of older people making the same complaints. "A bit of time in the army will do you good", "you just wait till those corporals make you run". Or how about my oldest brother, 18 years my senior? He was a teen in the late 1960s - where all those bloody hippies should have got a haircut, and gone to the army; that would sort them out. It's a tune that echoes down every generation. You'd think people would look at the behaviour of previous generations and learn; but no! Do you know what a militarized society is like? Do you know what it's like to have your adult freedom compulsorily stripped from you? I could go on at further length, but I'm getting worked up, and I dislike giving away that power over me. If you've been a professional serving soldier, that's different. It's a choice, a career. You've experienced a different army to the one a conscript encounters, by virtue of that choice. But if you've never been conscripted, you're an armchair warrior. You're advocating for other people to go off and do something unpleasant, without having a choice. You have no idea. Peace. " Spot on D. To add to this... the generation that joined in the 2000s when all the crusty bastards said they were shit and not as good. Afghanistan and Iraq. The courage and bravery these men and women showed would have some of these coffin dodging veterans (let alone civilian armchair generals) spitting out their false teeth. | |||
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"I’m not sure why folk think the answer to difficult young adults is to throw them into military service. The military has their fair share of problem folk, just check out the military court listings. I am in favour of a short term in service, a phase 1 army training program (3 months) followed by a 3 month stint in a regular unit learning what military service is about. This way we have a generation that could be called upon if we carry on the path our ritch and powerful are driving us down! If you look at history WW1 and 2 there are Sooo many similarities of whats currently happening, same mistakes being made over and over again . That having a bit of prudence of giving our youth a simple 6 month training package would allow us to feel better prepared! " | |||
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"Haven’t heard any more from our OP, Shag, I’m wondering if he raised the discussion as Sweden I believe still has a form of National Service. What are the views on this back in Sweden Shag, are people proud and willing to play their part or is opinion as decisive as it is here on this thread. " Yes. I kind of did that too, sweden have national service, we call it "lumpen" and yes, people are proud of it of those who are doing it, it is still optional if one wants to do it. | |||
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"Haven’t heard any more from our OP, Shag, I’m wondering if he raised the discussion as Sweden I believe still has a form of National Service. What are the views on this back in Sweden Shag, are people proud and willing to play their part or is opinion as decisive as it is here on this thread. Yes. I kind of did that too, sweden have national service, we call it "lumpen" and yes, people are proud of it of those who are doing it, it is still optional if one wants to do it." What happens if you don't want to do it? | |||
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"Haven’t heard any more from our OP, Shag, I’m wondering if he raised the discussion as Sweden I believe still has a form of National Service. What are the views on this back in Sweden Shag, are people proud and willing to play their part or is opinion as decisive as it is here on this thread. Yes. I kind of did that too, sweden have national service, we call it "lumpen" and yes, people are proud of it of those who are doing it, it is still optional if one wants to do it. What happens if you don't want to do it?" Nothing happens, if you say no to it. | |||
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"Haven’t heard any more from our OP, Shag, I’m wondering if he raised the discussion as Sweden I believe still has a form of National Service. What are the views on this back in Sweden Shag, are people proud and willing to play their part or is opinion as decisive as it is here on this thread. Yes. I kind of did that too, sweden have national service, we call it "lumpen" and yes, people are proud of it of those who are doing it, it is still optional if one wants to do it. What happens if you don't want to do it?Nothing happens, if you say no to it." Then it's voluntary short service, not conscription as I'd understand it. Conscription is compulsory. I suppose you might argue that it's compulsory enrolment, and that having enrolled, you don't have to go; but I'd say that removing the compulsion to actually report for service makes it voluntary. | |||
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"National service should never have been stopped in my opinion. " I agree let's make it mandatory for anyone over 50 !! Let's send you you all over to Ukraine when a direct confrontation with Russia breaks out. | |||
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"Yes but would have to be both sexes" That's what equality is all about. | |||
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"National service should never have been stopped in my opinion. I agree let's make it mandatory for anyone over 50 !! Let's send you you all over to Ukraine when a direct confrontation with Russia breaks out." it's not about going to fight it's about a life lesson. Respect for yourself and others. Having work ethics. Punctuality. Manners. | |||
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"I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, it was if military service should be mandatory or not. They talked about the benefits, especially for the younger ones like those who are finishing college to do a semester of 4 month of it and what it will teach them, like, being punctual, show respect, team work and having a clean room, amongst other things. I agree with them and the points they talked about. I think that it would be a good idea. What is your view about it and do you think it is a good idea, how would they implement it, should it be at the end of the term? "Clearly you haven't met anyone with PTSD after being in Afghanistan.... | |||
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"Instead of sending them to actual military, one could just do two months training that teaches them how military life looks like and also teaches them discipline." It's a nice idea but I seriously question it's feasibility. The military is already underfunded and declining in numbers. Not sure how they would provide this summer bootcamp idea No one would want to actually pay for it | |||
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"National service should never have been stopped in my opinion. I agree let's make it mandatory for anyone over 50 !! Let's send you you all over to Ukraine when a direct confrontation with Russia breaks out. it's not about going to fight it's about a life lesson. Respect for yourself and others. Having work ethics. Punctuality. Manners. We don't need conscription to learn that. " tell that to the youngsters I work with. | |||
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"National service should never have been stopped in my opinion. I agree let's make it mandatory for anyone over 50 !! Let's send you you all over to Ukraine when a direct confrontation with Russia breaks out. it's not about going to fight it's about a life lesson. Respect for yourself and others. Having work ethics. Punctuality. Manners. We don't need conscription to learn that. tell that to the youngsters I work with. " Ah you work with young people who are feckless and lazy. I'm lucky that all the young people I've worked with have learned over time that it pays to be punctual and polite, sometimes the hard way and sometimes because that's how they are. The ones who genuinely don't get it are few and far between but they do exist I've seen them. I'd question whether a spell in the military would cure them or just make them bitter and resentful | |||
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"Unfortunately it's not only teenagers 20s 30s. Spend their working day on their day on their mobiles. Talk too you expecting everything done for them. The less they can do the better. " The young people I see working in supermarkets, restaurants, coffee shops, fast food outlets, offices, estate agents etc etc all seem to be doing their jobs well. | |||
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"Unfortunately it's not only teenagers 20s 30s. Spend their working day on their day on their mobiles. Talk too you expecting everything done for them. The less they can do the better. " Outrageous, while you're sat hear on fab forums working your butt off !! Or having a wank | |||
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"I work in retail. The people that DO work for a living are expected to do more. The lazy ones they leave alone because they know it won't get done. " Yeah that's the same in every area I'm afraid. I have to say that the laziest people I ever worked with were the older ones. They seemed to have an entitled attitude because they'd been working a long time and thought younger people should take up their slack. I worked with a lot of young people and a lot of apprentices and while if course some were rubbish most of them were decent people. | |||
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"Instead of sending them to actual military, one could just do two months training that teaches them how military life looks like and also teaches them discipline. It's a nice idea but I seriously question it's feasibility. The military is already underfunded and declining in numbers. Not sure how they would provide this summer bootcamp idea No one would want to actually pay for it " I come from India and in my state, everyone has to go through either a social service camp or army camp at the end of first year in the university. Both are physically demanding and requires lot of discipline. It is mandatory as part of bachelor's degree completion. They use students in the final year who did well in their first year to train the students, all supervised by some staff member to ensure safety. It's only for two weeks. But made a big difference for us and it won't cost as much if you are using students to do it. | |||
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"I work in retail. The people that DO work for a living are expected to do more. The lazy ones they leave alone because they know it won't get done. Yeah that's the same in every area I'm afraid. I have to say that the laziest people I ever worked with were the older ones. They seemed to have an entitled attitude because they'd been working a long time and thought younger people should take up their slack. I worked with a lot of young people and a lot of apprentices and while if course some were rubbish most of them were decent people." I completely agree with you I am of a certain age and they are as bad as the young ones. I work my nuts off every day. I come home knackered. It's a state of mind your a worker or a sherker. A stint in the military would knock it out of a lot of them. | |||
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"I started at 06:00. I have finished work. And back in at 06:00 tomorrow. Not all here are wanking lol." I work 8am till 10pm 2 days a week. Straight no breaks. No time to play either 2 tired first 2 days of 4 days off. | |||
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"I work in retail. The people that DO work for a living are expected to do more. The lazy ones they leave alone because they know it won't get done. Yeah that's the same in every area I'm afraid. I have to say that the laziest people I ever worked with were the older ones. They seemed to have an entitled attitude because they'd been working a long time and thought younger people should take up their slack. I worked with a lot of young people and a lot of apprentices and while if course some were rubbish most of them were decent people. I completely agree with you I am of a certain age and they are as bad as the young ones. I work my nuts off every day. I come home knackered. It's a state of mind your a worker or a sherker. A stint in the military would knock it out of a lot of them." Perhaps it's because any half educated young person doesn't end up in a dying industry like retail? You probably pick up the uneducated plebs haha | |||
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"I was watching a program about it and it was interesting, it was if military service should be mandatory or not. They talked about the benefits, especially for the younger ones like those who are finishing college to do a semester of 4 month of it and what it will teach them, like, being punctual, show respect, team work and having a clean room, amongst other things. I agree with them and the points they talked about. I think that it would be a good idea. What is your view about it and do you think it is a good idea, how would they implement it, should it be at the end of the term? "Okay shag After exercising your time is in boot camp  | |||
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"I work in retail. The people that DO work for a living are expected to do more. The lazy ones they leave alone because they know it won't get done. Yeah that's the same in every area I'm afraid. I have to say that the laziest people I ever worked with were the older ones. They seemed to have an entitled attitude because they'd been working a long time and thought younger people should take up their slack. I worked with a lot of young people and a lot of apprentices and while if course some were rubbish most of them were decent people. I completely agree with you I am of a certain age and they are as bad as the young ones. I work my nuts off every day. I come home knackered. It's a state of mind your a worker or a sherker. A stint in the military would knock it out of a lot of them. Perhaps it's because any half educated young person doesn't end up in a dying industry like retail? You probably pick up the uneducated plebs haha " That's rude! Lots of very well educated and intelligent people work in retail. | |||
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"Mandatory, no. I’m not against a 6 month National service that is voluntary and is actually useful for the younger generation. Getting the chance to learn about subjects like engineering, coding and cybersecurity, logistics as well as having some survival skills and orienteering thrown in could be very beneficial and enjoyable. The idea that Gen Z need to be taught about punctuality, combating laziness and not getting everything their own way is patronising gammon talk. The vast majority I’ve met (used to work in youth outreach programs) just need an opportunity." Agreed! | |||
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"Learnt behaviour comes from peers and family. I work in mental health and it is complex trauma ptsd all the time. " Hi becs and yes, you are right there too. | |||
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"Mandatory, no. I’m not against a 6 month National service that is voluntary and is actually useful for the younger generation. Getting the chance to learn about subjects like engineering, coding and cybersecurity, logistics as well as having some survival skills and orienteering thrown in could be very beneficial and enjoyable. The idea that Gen Z need to be taught about punctuality, combating laziness and not getting everything their own way is patronising gammon talk. The vast majority I’ve met (used to work in youth outreach programs) just need an opportunity." Totally agree, also I think a lot of young people who have had problems, run ins with the law, would love the opportunity, but get knocked back from accessing stuff when they decide they would like to. | |||
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"I'm in favour of a voluntary national service where your guaranteed 12 mths or 2 years in not only your choice of one of the armed forces, but such as the NHS. Fire Service. AMBULANCE Service...and no doubt a few other services. With the aim of it being an optional follow on pathway to the more skilled role in any of them. But also to undertake the job you want e.g. hgv driver. To gain specific experience and qualifications " I do not want an unskilled random volunteer in my ambulance whilst being rushed to hospital | |||
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