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" - Boycotting Nestle products due to the palm tree devastation they are causing, particularly Orangutan habitats. " Do you bycott Starbucks and McDonalds too ? | |||
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"No and won't be. " May I ask why ? | |||
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" - Boycotting Nestle products due to the palm tree devastation they are causing, particularly Orangutan habitats. Do you bycott Starbucks and McDonalds too ?" I boycott starbucks  | |||
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" - Boycotting Nestle products due to the palm tree devastation they are causing, particularly Orangutan habitats. Do you bycott Starbucks and McDonalds too ?I boycott starbucks "not for ethical reasons mind | |||
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"I personally couldn't care less about 'ethical', I'm over here just trying to get through life in the best way FOR ME." Sounds bad but we are the same. If you dig deep enough you’d end up boycotting a hell of a lot. | |||
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"I personally couldn't care less about 'ethical', I'm over here just trying to get through life in the best way FOR ME. Sounds bad but we are the same. If you dig deep enough you’d end up boycotting a hell of a lot. " Exactly this. If you looked into the production of the vast majority of products we utilise on a daily basis you’d find they have a negative impact on something or someone. As a result, when I hear someone say they don’t buy this or do that for ‘ethical’ reasons I tend to have a bit of an eye roll. Having said that, I have met a few people who do try and do everything possible to minimise their impact, they are full on and pretty hard core, but all credit too them. | |||
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"I personally couldn't care less about 'ethical', I'm over here just trying to get through life in the best way FOR ME. Sounds bad but we are the same. If you dig deep enough you’d end up boycotting a hell of a lot. " Seems a weak argument for doing nothing. We've done a fair bit. Mostly buy used rather than new. Fix instead of replace. Minimise electricity & fuel use. No meat/animals in diet. Use local shops. Regularly cycle instead of drive etc. etc. | |||
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 I've really hate the attitude of disposable culture we have in this country. | |||
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"Toiletries yes and also buy fair trade chocolate, bananas, coffee ect. Haven't bought Nestle for years but there's so much choice it's not even something I'm really now having to be conscious of. I don't eat avocados and try to avoid palm oil. I buy lots of things second hand. Nothing I've bought for my little girl is new as the turnover for baby stuff is high and it's still great quality. In fact I'm always shocked at the people advertising items stating if not taken it'll go to the tip. I've really hate the attitude of disposable culture we have in this country."I can see why people just take stuff to the tip. Last week I tried to give away, for free, an working electric oven that had been stored in a shed for eighteen months (my new place has gas). Seven people let me down by saying they were going to come and get it and then never bothering. If the last person hadn’t turned up I would have just called the scrap map. | |||
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" I don't eat avocados " What about avocados from Spain or Florida ? | |||
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"I take the bottles to the bottle bank "From June we can put them in our household recycling bin. It will save driving to the bottle bank hurrah | |||
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" I don't eat avocados What about avocados from Spain or Florida ?" No, I mean avocados are ok. I don't look to see where they're from now. They're not really on my food radar. | |||
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"We've always done a lot of things now perceived as ethical by dint of the era we were born on. We reuse or repurpose rather than replace, cook from scratch, mend stuff, grow stuff, walk unless it's too far etc etc However we also do ethically unsound things like fly, drive, eat meat. " I am 100% with this - I will always try and fix or reuse things if I can and will walk anywhere if I can. | |||
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"We've always done a lot of things now perceived as ethical by dint of the era we were born on. We reuse or repurpose rather than replace, cook from scratch, mend stuff, grow stuff, walk unless it's too far etc etc However we also do ethically unsound things like fly, drive, eat meat. " You see, all these years you’ve been doing the common sense thing when you could have been promoting yourself as ‘ethically superior’, who knew. I’ve heard someone is working on inventing a round thing, they’re thinking of calling it a wheel. | |||
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"Toiletries yes and also buy fair trade chocolate, bananas, coffee ect. Haven't bought Nestle for years but there's so much choice it's not even something I'm really now having to be conscious of. I don't eat avocados and try to avoid palm oil. I buy lots of things second hand. Nothing I've bought for my little girl is new as the turnover for baby stuff is high and it's still great quality. In fact I'm always shocked at the people advertising items stating if not taken it'll go to the tip. I've really hate the attitude of disposable culture we have in this country.
I can see why people just take stuff to the tip. Last week I tried to give away, for free, an working electric oven that had been stored in a shed for eighteen months (my new place has gas).
Seven people let me down by saying they were going to come and get it and then never bothering. If the last person hadn’t turned up I would have just called the scrap map."I get that. A charity shop for example wouldn't take something like that. I'm talking about baby clothes and whatnot in really good condition. People have let me down too when if comes to collection. My place is littered with great items I can't give away. I need to take those to charity shop/ baby bank just haven't got round to it yet  | |||
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 . We need to keep pressure on manufacturers, government etc, to look after the world and us. They are the ones who must change, though I'll make some lifestyle changes always | |||
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"I take the bottles to the bottle bank "but do you get money back? | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too" What do you suggest we eat ? | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ?" Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants. | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants." I don't think that's the issue... I think maybe more the issue is if everyone was vegetarian then arable wise it's not sustainable, and the wider impact of farming across multiple countries and the then negative impact. Is possibly more harmful than the current status. However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low | |||
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" ...However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low " Lucky then, for most people, that poultry, pigs and cattle don't have cute faces! | |||
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"I personally couldn't care less about 'ethical', I'm over here just trying to get through life in the best way FOR ME. Sounds bad but we are the same. If you dig deep enough you’d end up boycotting a hell of a lot. Exactly this. If you looked into the production of the vast majority of products we utilise on a daily basis you’d find they have a negative impact on something or someone. As a result, when I hear someone say they don’t buy this or do that for ‘ethical’ reasons I tend to have a bit of an eye roll. Having said that, I have met a few people who do try and do everything possible to minimise their impact, they are full on and pretty hard core, but all credit too them. " For many people, who rely on huge multinational capitalist companies for their products, 'ethical' just means 'we can't see the thing we don't like' | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants. I don't think that's the issue... I think maybe more the issue is if everyone was vegetarian then arable wise it's not sustainable, and the wider impact of farming across multiple countries and the then negative impact. Is possibly more harmful than the current status. However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low " Vegans who eat a highly processed diet, which also includes items such as almond milk likely have more animals die for their diet than someone who goes to their local butchers for meat. | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants." Because plants aren't sentient? I eat meat, so I'm not making an argument for vegetarianism, but can see a pretty big distinction between slaughtering a cow and chopping a carrot. | |||
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" Vegans who eat a highly processed diet, which also includes items such as almond milk likely have more animals die for their diet than someone who goes to their local butchers for meat. " This is based on them flying to Florida and back to buy their almond milk with a short detour to hunt some rhino?  | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants. I don't think that's the issue... I think maybe more the issue is if everyone was vegetarian then arable wise it's not sustainable, and the wider impact of farming across multiple countries and the then negative impact. Is possibly more harmful than the current status. However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low " Farming across multiple countries is essential. This country hasn't been self sufficient for food for any of our lifetimes. | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants. I don't think that's the issue... I think maybe more the issue is if everyone was vegetarian then arable wise it's not sustainable, and the wider impact of farming across multiple countries and the then negative impact. Is possibly more harmful than the current status. However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low Farming across multiple countries is essential. This country hasn't been self sufficient for food for any of our lifetimes." Well... I mean we could? If we didn't want fruit n veg outta season. If we were willing to pay more. Meat is very controversial, and if we only ate home produce. Then care standards would be even lower than current I think | |||
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"Vegetarians are just plant killers. Plants are living creatures too What do you suggest we eat ? Exactly my point, as that is the argument not to eat meat. So if it's good enough of an argument against meat, why not plants. I don't think that's the issue... I think maybe more the issue is if everyone was vegetarian then arable wise it's not sustainable, and the wider impact of farming across multiple countries and the then negative impact. Is possibly more harmful than the current status. However, eating animals with cute faces is also shit. Especially when standards of welfare are low Farming across multiple countries is essential. This country hasn't been self sufficient for food for any of our lifetimes. Well... I mean we could? If we didn't want fruit n veg outta season. If we were willing to pay more. Meat is very controversial, and if we only ate home produce. Then care standards would be even lower than current I think " Doubtful. One poor harvest and people would starve. If you then factor in other aspects such as the need to import fuel for tractors etc. etc. it just isn't feasible for this country to be self sufficient. | |||
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" Vegans who eat a highly processed diet, which also includes items such as almond milk likely have more animals die for their diet than someone who goes to their local butchers for meat. This is based on them flying to Florida and back to buy their almond milk with a short detour to hunt some rhino? "No, this is based on the number of pollinators forcibly moved around to continue pollination (avocados are also a horrendous culprit) and then killed by insecticides. The number of bees killed for avocados and almond milk outweighed the number of livestock killed for food. | |||
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" No, this is based on the number of pollinators forcibly moved around to continue pollination (avocados are also a horrendous culprit) and then killed by insecticides. The number of bees killed for avocados and almond milk outweighed the number of livestock killed for food." Ah yeah - get it now. Don't think I read it properly first time round. I guess if your ethics are animal souls maybe insect deaths will be a tricky factor being as all types of farming have resulted in significant decline in insects. Maybe also an ethical consideration as to farming practices and the decline of bees vs practices which depend on them and so increase numbers? | |||
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"Just cuious - why is trying new vegetables ethical ? Do you mean instead of eating meat ?" I did mean vegetarian options | |||
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" Fair enough people eat meat but there’s absolutely no need for it in a bit of make up. It’s not a necessity. " You certainly don’t need it anyway | |||
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"Lots of subtle ones over the years - went veggie in my teens, recycling, reusing as much as i can, reducing my water consumption by going vegan in my 40s, increasing my spend in 2nd hand shops and reducing in fast fashion shops, storing solar power Still lots to do " Oh yes I do use a cup now for water when shaving rather than keeping the water running. Plus it saves money being honest. I’m definitely not an eco warrior or judging anyone, I use lots of products that have awful origins I’m sure. Just feels good to make little changes even if it is to pacify my conscience. | |||
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"Toiletries yes and also buy fair trade chocolate, bananas, coffee ect. Haven't bought Nestle for years but there's so much choice it's not even something I'm really now having to be conscious of. I don't eat avocados and try to avoid palm oil. I buy lots of things second hand. Nothing I've bought for my little girl is new as the turnover for baby stuff is high and it's still great quality. In fact I'm always shocked at the people advertising items stating if not taken it'll go to the tip. I've really hate the attitude of disposable culture we have in this country."We found it astonishingly hard to give away used (but excellent condition) baby/child stuff. It's a bit bizarre | |||
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"Buying more meat and buying exclusively from regenerative farmers Supporting local farmers Including a micro dairy not far away Cutting Soya from my entire family diet Chucking out all my plastics in favour of stainless steel Gonna do a week of carnivore so less GMO to worry about Just a few off the top of my head P" What makes a carnivore diet an ethical choice? What would you eat for a week and why only a week? | |||
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"Buying more meat and buying exclusively from regenerative farmers Supporting local farmers Including a micro dairy not far away Cutting Soya from my entire family diet Chucking out all my plastics in favour of stainless steel Gonna do a week of carnivore so less GMO to worry about Just a few off the top of my head P What makes a carnivore diet an ethical choice? What would you eat for a week and why only a week?" Ethics is what you believe is right and wrong so if it’s in line with your personal ethics it’s ethical | |||
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"Buying more meat and buying exclusively from regenerative farmers Supporting local farmers Including a micro dairy not far away Cutting Soya from my entire family diet Chucking out all my plastics in favour of stainless steel Gonna do a week of carnivore so less GMO to worry about Just a few off the top of my head P What makes a carnivore diet an ethical choice? What would you eat for a week and why only a week?" You are right, what difference does a week make? In my case I find it hard to stick to a purely carnivorous diet longer term because of my dependency on sugar and such, so baby steps 
As for what I'd eat, basically it's what you expect, considerable amounts of meat though I do add animal fats and eggs into that for variety. After this week I will try to go back to animal based instead because proper carnivore is too limiting for me long term.
As for how it's an ethical choice, it's a very long spiel and I don't want to come across as preachy so I will try to summarise: 1 cow can comfortably feed a family of 4 for a year. As long as that animal is of higher welfare (which is part of my process) it is significantly better for the environment than GMO monocrops and various novelty foods that are currently flooding the markets. This is massively oversimplified but it's a starting point
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"Buying more meat and buying exclusively from regenerative farmers Supporting local farmers Including a micro dairy not far away Cutting Soya from my entire family diet Chucking out all my plastics in favour of stainless steel Gonna do a week of carnivore so less GMO to worry about Just a few off the top of my head P What makes a carnivore diet an ethical choice? What would you eat for a week and why only a week? You are right, what difference does a week make? In my case I find it hard to stick to a purely carnivorous diet longer term because of my dependency on sugar and such, so baby steps
As for what I'd eat, basically it's what you expect, considerable amounts of meat though I do add animal fats and eggs into that for variety. After this week I will try to go back to animal based instead because proper carnivore is too limiting for me long term.
As for how it's an ethical choice, it's a very long spiel and I don't want to come across as preachy so I will try to summarise: 1 cow can comfortably feed a family of 4 for a year. As long as that animal is of higher welfare (which is part of my process) it is significantly better for the environment than GMO monocrops and various novelty foods that are currently flooding the markets. This is massively oversimplified but it's a starting point
P"Thanks. I've heard of it as a diet but not as an ethical choice before. I guess happy cows are better than factory cows. Don't think I'd feed a family of four on one though. | |||
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"Buying more meat and buying exclusively from regenerative farmers Supporting local farmers Including a micro dairy not far away Cutting Soya from my entire family diet Chucking out all my plastics in favour of stainless steel Gonna do a week of carnivore so less GMO to worry about Just a few off the top of my head P What makes a carnivore diet an ethical choice? What would you eat for a week and why only a week? You are right, what difference does a week make? In my case I find it hard to stick to a purely carnivorous diet longer term because of my dependency on sugar and such, so baby steps
As for what I'd eat, basically it's what you expect, considerable amounts of meat though I do add animal fats and eggs into that for variety. After this week I will try to go back to animal based instead because proper carnivore is too limiting for me long term.
As for how it's an ethical choice, it's a very long spiel and I don't want to come across as preachy so I will try to summarise: 1 cow can comfortably feed a family of 4 for a year. As long as that animal is of higher welfare (which is part of my process) it is significantly better for the environment than GMO monocrops and various novelty foods that are currently flooding the markets. This is massively oversimplified but it's a starting point
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Thanks. I've heard of it as a diet but not as an ethical choice before. I guess happy cows are better than factory cows. Don't think I'd feed a family of four on one though.
"Happy ruminant animals are a vital part of our food chain, without them to take care of the fields there wouldn't be much in the way of other crops. Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot about what's called "regenerative farming" on Clarkson's farm and it explains things really well. P | |||
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" Happy ruminant animals are a vital part of our food chain, without them to take care of the fields there wouldn't be much in the way of other crops. Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot about what's called "regenerative farming" on Clarkson's farm and it explains things really well. P" I was with you right up until you said Clarkson
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" Happy ruminant animals are a vital part of our food chain, without them to take care of the fields there wouldn't be much in the way of other crops. Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot about what's called "regenerative farming" on Clarkson's farm and it explains things really well. P I was with you right up until you said Clarkson
I'd argue it would be better to have ruminants looking after the fields without being eaten. But I figure that'll be a tough sell to a carnivore. "Have a nice beef burger and you'll see why that's a daft idea
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" Happy ruminant animals are a vital part of our food chain, without them to take care of the fields there wouldn't be much in the way of other crops. Jeremy Clarkson talks a lot about what's called "regenerative farming" on Clarkson's farm and it explains things really well. P I was with you right up until you said Clarkson
I'd argue it would be better to have ruminants looking after the fields without being eaten. But I figure that'll be a tough sell to a carnivore. "He is a very controversial figure lol. I've always liked his stuff but that particular show is very eye opening, not least cos it makes him look like a total dumbass. Loveable though. I would agree with you about them not being eaten...however if we didn't eat them, something else would. They're domestic animals that have been bred for food, they couldn't protect themselves against predators and if everyone decided tomorrow to go veggie they'd all have to be culled. It's a mutually beneficial relationship, though only so long as they are properly cared for. Factory farming can get to f*ck though. P | |||
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