FabSwingers.com forum: The Obese

By *ssex_tom OP Man
49 weeks ago

Chelmsford

Health watchdogs claim a billion in the world are obese and 18 million in the UK and surely that just means it's normal....

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
49 weeks ago

Portsmouth

It is a growing problem very much so

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

I'm a consultant for a weight management company and it's a huge problem. Many people are so overweight it's affecting their health.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

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By *hrimper36Couple
49 weeks ago

Central France dept 36

"It is a growing problem very much so "

Now that was truly funny.!!!!

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By *agerMorganMan
49 weeks ago

Canvey Island

I’ll say this as someone who’s classed as “obese” and is trying to lose weight.

It’s not nice being overweight through your own doing and not as a result of medical.

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By *needabrewMan
49 weeks ago

the hills

"It is a growing problem very much so "

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
49 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

"It is a growing problem very much so

Now that was truly funny.!!!!

It’s a serious issue, I don’t think we should scoff

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By *avexxMan
49 weeks ago

cheshire

only the person can control what they put in there mouth as in food,

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By *onameyet2Man
49 weeks ago

chorley

I really don’t think people like Lizzo are positive role models

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By *luebell888Woman
49 weeks ago

Glasgowish

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies."

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently.

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By *parkle1974Woman
49 weeks ago

Leeds

It's an expanding issue everywhere

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By *onameyet2Man
49 weeks ago

chorley

"It's an expanding issue everywhere

Hilarious, absolute comedy gold

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
49 weeks ago

Beverley

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
49 weeks ago

Beverley

Can we discuss properly please and not just chew the fat

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
49 weeks ago

Portsmouth

"It is a growing problem very much so

Now that was truly funny.!!!!

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By *ora the explorerWoman
49 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

Those stats don’t surprise me. Irrelevant if it’s anything to do with anyone else it’s unhealthy.

Same as smoking. A lot of it is convenience and laziness. There’s a lot of happy obese people and good luck to them but it’s unhealthy. I’m overweight and it doesn’t make me happy one bit. But it’s my own fault.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
49 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

"It is a growing problem very much so "

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By *ravelling_WilburyMan
49 weeks ago

Beverley

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By *ora the explorerWoman
49 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

Also if they’re taking the figures from BMI then it’s bollocks. I’d look ill at my healthy weight range on that. I’m also obese according to that. I’m not fucking twiggy but I wouldn’t say I was obese.

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By *iss.BellaWoman
49 weeks ago

Chester

"Also if they’re taking the figures from BMI then it’s bollocks. I’d look ill at my healthy weight range on that. I’m also obese according to that. I’m not fucking twiggy but I wouldn’t say I was obese. "

The BMI thing is ridiculous. My friend became anorexic after being told she was obese. Within 6 months she'd lost more than half her body weight and was happy because she was now in the healthy bracket. Her periods stopped, her hair was falling out and she had aches all over. She was constantly at the brink of passing out. But on that scale she was healthy.

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By *r TriomanMan
49 weeks ago

Chippenham Malmesbury area

I consider myself to be very fit and whilst I'm 1.25 stone heavier than when I was 18 (42 years ago), I'm still slim however, I've just used the NHS BMI calculator and my BMI is 24.1, that's 0.9 away from being overweight and 3 stone away from being obese.

The point of the above information is that the way obesity is measured doesn't work for the entire population of the planet. Whilst I accept that there is an obesity crisis, the figures may not be as high as the Health Watchdogs are claiming.

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By *ood time Chris BMan
49 weeks ago

TAUNTON AREA

Being obese is a self inflicted wound ,there is absolutely no excuse for it,I know ,my Weight ballooned to 115kg from 85kg ,with self control and a sensible affordable diet it's back down to 87kg now

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By *ood time Chris BMan
49 weeks ago

TAUNTON AREA

Being obese is a self inflicted wound ,there is absolutely no excuse for it,I know ,my Weight ballooned to 115kg from 85kg ,with self control and a sensible affordable diet it's back down to 87kg now

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By *ood time Chris BMan
49 weeks ago

TAUNTON AREA

I do agree that the BMI scale is a load of rubbish

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"What's going on here guys. It's all over the news"

Food companies are making a lot of money, that’s what’s going on.

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By *otyouraverageguyMan
49 weeks ago

west mids and n Wales

BMI is deeply flawed as a measure and takes no account for muscle mass etc.

By a BMI measure, any professional rugby player and a lot of other pro athletes would be classified as overweight and obese

Key to most things is balance, especially in terms of diet and exercise. That way you end up at a good weight and state of fitness for you as a person, and will be mentally as well as physically healthy.

If that puts you in the wrong category on a scale, so be it

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By *ink vixenCouple
49 weeks ago

Medway

I see fat people!

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

How did she lose that much weight in 6 months.

Asking for myse... my fr... A friend! Definitely not me nope

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By *CLM87Woman
49 weeks ago

Derbyshire

Alot of the problem is BMI is outdated and not a true reflection as didn't take into account muscle mass. Therefore the data is massively skewed. I'm a size 8/10 now and 23 on the BMI chart... I can go down bout another stone or 2 before I am underweight... which would not be healthy.

Lives are more stressful and sedatry then ever before. Alot of people use food as comfort.. along with the ease of accessing takeaway food.

I've managed to loose 6st 3lbs in just over a year. It wasn't easy and I had to find other ways of coping with stress and not turn to food.

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

"Being obese is a self inflicted wound ,there is absolutely no excuse for it,I know ,my Weight ballooned to 115kg from 85kg ,with self control and a sensible affordable diet it's back down to 87kg now "

There are a lot of excuses for it. Maybe not good ones, but there ARE excuses!

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Anybody can look around them and see it's normal.

BMI isn't a great measure but it's a good enough indicator for the vast majority.

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By *iss.BellaWoman
49 weeks ago

Chester

How did she lose that much weight in 6 months.

Asking for myse... my fr... A friend! Definitely not me nope"

Eating barely anything, making herself sick and throwing herself into the gym and running with very little energy

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
49 weeks ago

East Sussex

I think people focus on the word obese and it deflects from the very real problems caused by extreme over weight.

Now I don't care what other people do. I've been a smoker, many years ago I indulged in risky sex I'm hardly in a position to point the finger but if there's a problem it needs to be faced.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
49 weeks ago

walsall

Maybe a better way than bmi is run a tape measure around their bellies at belly height.

That’ll give a better indication. Maybe.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Maybe a better way than bmi is run a tape measure around their bellies at belly height.

That’ll give a better indication. Maybe."

Waist to hip ratio is a good indicator.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently. "

And someone probably couldn’t get a hospital bed when I was in hospital with a serious sports injury. Nor when I was taking up a bed with optional contraceptive surgery.

The moment we start judging who should and should not take up hospital beds is the moment things become very uncomfortable

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By *archelCouple
49 weeks ago

A field somewhere

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently. "

100% this

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies."

It is when the NHS is overloaded with people as a result.

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

How did she lose that much weight in 6 months.

Asking for myse... my fr... A friend! Definitely not me nope

Eating barely anything, making herself sick and throwing herself into the gym and running with very little energy

Oh, maybe I... I mean my friend, won't do that.

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

"I think people focus on the word obese and it deflects from the very real problems caused by extreme over weight.

Now I don't care what other people do. I've been a smoker, many years ago I indulged in risky sex I'm hardly in a position to point the finger but if there's a problem it needs to be faced. "

I think people who have made bad choices and overcome them are EXACTLY the people (maybe the only people) who are in a position to point fingers.

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By *estarossa.Woman
49 weeks ago

Flagrante

I am just short for my weight!

And you lot are all tall for yours!

I know I am overweight, but I am weak willed.

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By *ongandharderMan
49 weeks ago

Rotherham

Obesity is not disability it's ridiculous the amount of overweight people who can't be bothered to exercise and eat somewhat right. And when they self inflict illness in themselves expect the rest of us to pay for them

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

It is when the NHS is overloaded with people as a result."

I suspect it already is.

There are other issues too related to the sheer quantity of food consumed and the effects of it - more livestock in farms which has environmental issues along with other things such as antibiotic use. Plus of course much of that food is shipped here from far away places.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies."

Here here..

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By *tsJustKateWoman
49 weeks ago

London

Obese? I've seen more fat on a butchers apron!

You look stunning!

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By *ndycoinsMan
49 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Years ago I read the introduction to a medical book written by a long serving Doctor.In it,he predicted an 'Obesity Epidemic' caused by people eating because the clock told them it was time to eat and people eating too much without physical work/exercise before or after.Nothing about sugar,fat etc,just eating habit and volume.That book was published in 1897.

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By *tsJustKateWoman
49 weeks ago

London

Nothing like a good 'fat' post to bring out the smug, judgemental slim people.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Mental health makes people put on weight and I am not talking just because. I work in it. Even having a healthy diet still makes mental health people put on weight. Tablets can induce weight gain. Mobility is another contributing factor. I treat everyone the same. They are humans and have rights to fair treatment.

Go away labelling society.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Nothing like a good 'fat' post to bring out the smug, judgemental slim people."

Right. Calling people is discrimination

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
49 weeks ago

Leeds

Obesity via BMI is a load of bollocks though - If I went by that then I'm obese - I don't see myself as that large really.

Same goes for the body builders etc

Mrs

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Nothing like a good 'fat' post to bring out the smug, judgemental slim people.

Right. Calling people is discrimination "

Calling people obese or fat or slim.. Just let us be who we are and accept us.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Everyone is unique and beautiful period.

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By *icassolifelikeMan
49 weeks ago

Luton

"Obesity via BMI is a load of bollocks though - If I went by that then I'm obese - I don't see myself as that large really.

Same goes for the body builders etc

Mrs "

Exactly! I’m in the red according to BMI.

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By *lym4realCouple
49 weeks ago

plymouth

Well it's costing us much needed Billions from the NHS budget ?? and education from a young age is the key here ?? and not so called fat shaming anyone and people can and do make small changes to their lifestyle/diet that over time makes a huge impact but the modern society is all about sound bites from the elite and easy fix's/wonder diets for us plebs ?? and 24/7 easy access to unhealthy fat/sugar/salt laden food isn't helping ?

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By *ady LickWoman
49 weeks ago

Northampton Somewhere

A lady I know has just had a gastric bypass op, she's lost 1.5 stone since 7th Feb. She's been overweight since I've known her (20 years). She's had loads of help from her doctor most recently a free gym membership ~ she went twice!

I'm not sure if she thinks her op is the easy way out or not but she's *still* moaning!

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society. "

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently.

100% this

One hopes that you never have an illness or injury caused by something that was optional.

That means no sports, no leaving your house to drive somewhere, no gardening, no DIY…

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful. "

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people."

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
49 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

It's big money.

Food companies keep us fat.

Pharmaceutical companies make money off of it.

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
49 weeks ago

Hell

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society."

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

" Well it's costing us much needed Billions from the NHS budget ?? and education from a young age is the key here ?? and not so called fat shaming anyone and people can and do make small changes to their lifestyle/diet that over time makes a huge impact but the modern society is all about sound bites from the elite and easy fix's/wonder diets for us plebs ?? and 24/7 easy access to unhealthy fat/sugar/salt laden food isn't helping ?

Not sure how much more educated people can be? We know what healthy eating looks like and we definitely knew about it from the time I went to school.

We have more information today than ever before. More options to track what we're eating. More choices to exercise. Better access to food.

But it's easier to eat whatever and however much we like and then mutter something about BMI not really being all that accurate. Pass the crisps darling.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society."

They probably just decided that they didn’t need to listen to opinions about their health given by non-medical professionals.

The only persons opinion I want to hear on the subject of my weight or health is my medical professional. Nobody else’s opinion is relevant.

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By *obilebottomMan
49 weeks ago

All over

Plenty showing the kind of society we have become. The 'throw them of the cliff' or 'withhold food', or 'keep off my taxes" brigade will not be far behind now. Education and support, if required, is great. As for the rest? Well will leave you to it as I am out. I rather be kind and considerate than judge anf jury

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By *rill PhilMan
49 weeks ago

Crediton

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society "

That's an easy one to answer. It ultimately came around when social media came around because it gave everyone a voice, and while I think it's great that everyone has a voice the problem is everyone uses it to shout and nobody bothers to listen anymore.

This is why common sense has becoming such a rare thing, and the ability to form online echo chambers is why hardly anyone can handle being told something that they don't like. Everyone is trying to tell everyone else what to say rather than taking account of what they say themselves. The idea of standing on your own two feet, being thick skinned and being able to rise above the words of others is being replaced by grown adults literally crying on the internet because they heard someone say something they didn't agree with.

It's sad because, no matter how much you try to bully and shame people into saying they share your opinion, they will always be those who don't and people who can't handle the idea that there are ideas they don't like in the world are doing a lot of damage to their own mental health.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
49 weeks ago

couple, us we him her.

I'm confused is calling someone who's obese " obese" good or bad ?

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By *ags73Man
49 weeks ago

glasgow-ish

BMI is a load of nonsense, it always said for me I had to be 12 stone and i think I was only ever that weight when I was nineteen. I’m 6’0 so it’s never made any sense looking at that line on chart

Been trying to sort myself out a bit and dropping a waist size on my most recent jeans bought is a positive step and I’ll try and see if I can go down another.

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By *irthandgirthMan
49 weeks ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"only the person can control what they put in there mouth as in food,"

Easy to say. It's a stacked deck.

Cheap food full of shit.

Advertising.

Nonsense and contradictory health claims and advice.

An "instant fix" mentality. (There is no magic pill, it takes hard work, discipline and consistency)

A health industry designed to fail people so they buy more products/services.

You should also look into the psychological tricks supermarkets pull on you to make you buy what they want you to buy.

Ever increasing automation so people move less.

The list goes on.

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By *ags73Man
49 weeks ago

glasgow-ish

"I'm confused is calling someone who's obese " obese" good or bad ?"

Would you call them that in person?

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
49 weeks ago

Worcester

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

It’s common sense not to comment on other peoples bodies when it’s none of your business - but as you say, common sense isn’t that common.

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By *ax SatisfactionMan
49 weeks ago

Bideford

"It is a growing problem very much so "

You're so punny

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By *ags73Man
49 weeks ago

glasgow-ish

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

It’s common sense not to comment on other peoples bodies when it’s none of your business - but as you say, common sense isn’t that common."

‘Common Sense’ in a society where the output of visual and print media and adverts is for a default image, even the mums in families for car ads and holidays are slim.

The issue is that we often take imagery from the US here without any questions made about it, it’s a different society and a different set of thinking there. Fat people can only be funny on their tv shows, there’s no attempt to reflect reality. Their reality is the kardshians.

I think that’s what puts the pressure on people, they see the output on screen or magazines or articles and believe that’s the ideal or optimum and the exactment of that leads to genuine mental health consequences for people and the belief they’re not good enough.

As a society we’ve been over this, many times, the tragic death of this person or that person. A couple of month ago the outpouring of grief for Matthew Perry, but he was bullied by the producers of friends and the studio over his weight and it affected his career after the show finished.

Unfortunately until wider common sense can accept people as they are, this will go on and on and the beauty, fashion and other industries that make their money off it will continue on as always.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
49 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

"I'm confused is calling someone who's obese " obese" good or bad ?

Would you call them that in person?

If it was relevant to the conversation we were having, yes.

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By *ilthycoupleabzCouple
49 weeks ago

Aberdeen

I can agree with this - in order to be slim and at a bmi calculator healthy weight I have to do gruelling amounts of exercise and never consume more than 1k calories a day.

Do you know how exhuasting it is to run 10k and do a full day of working/looking after kids/normal life on 1k calories?

Imagine doing that every day

Yes, I look awesome but I am constantly aneamic, pass out, never warm, nails break, hair loses its shine, periods stop etc... but I am slim then and that is what matters most.

What I hate more is that I constantly do this to myself in order to fit in because being fat is so bad.

MrsAbz

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By *osey WalesMan
49 weeks ago

"I see fat people! "

Are they alive though ?

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By *eeshelleTV/TS
49 weeks ago

Marlow

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently. "

Well said

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

There are lot more jobs where you are sitting all day, and it's cheaper to buy food that isn't so healthy.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
49 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

Couldn’t agree more

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By *ora the explorerWoman
49 weeks ago

Paradise, Herts

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

It’s common sense not to comment on other peoples bodies when it’s none of your business - but as you say, common sense isn’t that common."

Of course it is but that’s not the issue here. It’s a discussion about weight and obesity. Of course people shouldn’t just say to people randomly that they’re obese/skinny/fat or whatever. Have people said it is ok?

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
49 weeks ago

Chelmsford

The BMI and waist measurement thing is old hat now and not fit for purpose. The best way for a doctor to tell if someone is overweight is to insist that the female patients bvitit the surgery wearing stockings and suspenders. Those with muffin tops are overweight.

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By *adCherriesCouple
49 weeks ago

Cheshire/Northwest

Bmi / waist measuring are pointless- everyone knows if they are fat/obese or whatever.

We all know the reasons for weight gain it's hardly shocking, jobs are less manual and food more convenient.

No-one can really resolve this growing crisis but people themselves. Positive body influencers don't help the situation either.

It's not just the UK with expanding waistlines but India, US etc.

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49 weeks ago

"Bmi / waist measuring are pointless- everyone knows if they are fat/obese or whatever.

We all know the reasons for weight gain it's hardly shocking, jobs are less manual and food more convenient.

No-one can really resolve this growing crisis but people themselves. Positive body influencers don't help the situation either.

It's not just the UK with expanding waistlines but India, US etc. "

Although some research suggests the sedentary lifestyle thing isn't such a big factor as previously thought (apparently we burn a certain amount of calories each day almost regardless of how much activity we do).

Which would mean the issue is pretty much entirely over consumption of food.

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By *emorefridaCouple
49 weeks ago

La la land

"Bmi / waist measuring are pointless- everyone knows if they are fat/obese or whatever.

We all know the reasons for weight gain it's hardly shocking, jobs are less manual and food more convenient.

No-one can really resolve this growing crisis but people themselves. Positive body influencers don't help the situation either.

It's not just the UK with expanding waistlines but India, US etc. "

The body positive influencers have helped me loads. And I've lost several dress sizes and am still a work in progress. They help me have a better mental attitude about my body and focus on what it can do rather than what it looks like. This means I stick at that dance class or gym routine and as a consequence loose weight. I've found this with many of my mates who are loosing weight too. Maybe it's not for everyone but they do benefit some of us obese people.

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By *ean counterMan
49 weeks ago

Market Harborough/ Kettering

I was in the doctor's waiting room the other day and noticed that one of the chairs was huge.i thought it was a joke but then realised that the surgery had spent the tax payers money on a chair for fat people ! Surely they should make them stand up then they might burn off a few more calories !!

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By *irthandgirthMan
49 weeks ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

"Bmi / waist measuring are pointless- everyone knows if they are fat/obese or whatever.

We all know the reasons for weight gain it's hardly shocking, jobs are less manual and food more convenient.

No-one can really resolve this growing crisis but people themselves. Positive body influencers don't help the situation either.

It's not just the UK with expanding waistlines but India, US etc.

Which would mean the issue is pretty much entirely over consumption of food."

You are referring to the Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), which also has its limitations. Increasing your activity levels increases the BMR by a %factor, dependent on intensity. This is called NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) for everyday activity, and EAT (Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) or calories burned while exercising.

Simply being less sedentary can increase your daily caloric expenditure by a decent margin.

It is of course much easier not to overeat than increase your Metabolic Rate enough, for long enough to negate the caloric increase.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"You are referring to the Basal Metabolic Rate (BMR), which also has its limitations. Increasing your activity levels increases the BMR by a %factor, dependent on intensity. This is called NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) for everyday activity, and EAT (Exercise Activity Thermogenesis) or calories burned while exercising.

Simply being less sedentary can increase your daily caloric expenditure by a decent margin.

It is of course much easier not to overeat than increase your Metabolic Rate enough, for long enough to negate the caloric increase. "

I'm referring to the work of Herman Pontzer on energy metabolism. He doesn't entirely agree with you.

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By *melia DominaTV/TS
49 weeks ago

Edinburgh (She/Her)

It's a wall-e world... (those who get it, get it)

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
49 weeks ago

The Town by The Cross

"It is a growing problem very much so "

C'mon now ..... growing problem ? tsk

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
49 weeks ago

The Town by The Cross

"Health watchdogs claim a billion in the world are obese and 18 million in the UK and surely that just means it's normal....

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

It's what's going 'in' that's the problem Tom.

Or if you insist on 'on' ..... weight, fat, padding.... that is what's going on Tom.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"I was in the doctor's waiting room the other day and noticed that one of the chairs was huge.i thought it was a joke but then realised that the surgery had spent the tax payers money on a chair for fat people ! Surely they should make them stand up then they might burn off a few more calories !!

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I'm too fat to stand so i sit on mens faces. Can't hear them complaining then !!

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

I'm too fat to stand so i sit on mens faces. Can't hear them complaining then !!"

Indeed

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By *irthandgirthMan
49 weeks ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

Simply being less sedentary can increase your daily caloric expenditure by a decent margin.

It is of course much easier not to overeat than increase your Metabolic Rate enough, for long enough to negate the caloric increase.

I'm referring to the work of Herman Pontzer on energy metabolism. He doesn't entirely agree with you."

There are quite a few flaws in his methodology. His view, which he is entitled to, doesn't agree with the majority of evidence. He also doesn't seem to take into account forced adaptation. I will agree that the increase in BMR during short bursts of exercise has a limited effect overall. However his assertion that there is a limit to how much energy is used is blatantly wrong.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Oh I can hear.. But we prefer the.. To the..

None us have to justify anything. Appreciate people as they are. Accept them for whom they be. Amen hallejah.

Doctors what they know.. Tell you to lose weight and eat cream cake themselves.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"There are quite a few flaws in his methodology. His view, which he is entitled to, doesn't agree with the majority of evidence. He also doesn't seem to take into account forced adaptation. I will agree that the increase in BMR during short bursts of exercise has a limited effect overall. However his assertion that there is a limit to how much energy is used is blatantly wrong."

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
49 weeks ago

ashford

I'm obese and proud!

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By *TG3Man
49 weeks ago

Dorchester

I'm obelisk and proud

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By *icolerobbieCouple
49 weeks ago

walsall

"I'm obelisk and proud

I prefer Toblerone.

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By *oxesMan
49 weeks ago

Southend, Essex

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies."

True to a certain extent. But there are some situations where it does. There is a good TED talk where one US army general stats how more recruits are rejected and it get injured due to obesity related issues or preventing the training.

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By *TG3Man
49 weeks ago

Dorchester

"I'm obelisk and proud

I prefer Toblerone."
toblerone is uncomfortable though and it eventually breaks off on the inward

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By *icolerobbieCouple
49 weeks ago

walsall

"I'm obelisk and proud

I prefer Toblerone.toblerone is uncomfortable though and it eventually breaks off on the inward

There’s a teqnique to breaking off toblarone peaks. It’s easy if you know how.

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By *os_GoddessofdawnWoman
49 weeks ago

In the clouds

Ah lovely, one more place where I am slated for my body.. Thanks

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By *heOriginalLoisWoman
49 weeks ago

London

I take it that no fat people in the catchment area for your surgery paid for the non bariatric chairs. Because that argument would mean that not one single "fat" person in the UK pays taxes or NI.

Surely by your reckoning they must be spending thousands a year contributing to the "sugar" tax.

Yes before you ask I am clinically morbidly obese. Am I happy to be that? Of course not. Are there contributing factors? Yes. Have you walked a day in my shoes or conversely the shoes of someone who is at the opposite end of the spectrum and anorexic?

Maybe when you are sat waiting in the surgery the next time, and I won't ask why you were there on the occasion to make you wonder about the "huge chair", as it is none of my busines, you might take a minute and ponder that for some life is not black and white.

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By *ldbutrandyMan
49 weeks ago

West Midlands

"I'm obese and proud!

You might want to think of leaving. There seems to be a lot of judgmental people in here. No doubt some of them are smokers, drug takers, speeding drivers, drink drivers, heavy drinkers etc. But hey, today is the slag off the fat people day.

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By *obilebottomMan
49 weeks ago

All over

Every one is welcome and made to feel comfortable on the Four Seasons thread

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By *esthetic21Man
49 weeks ago

Birmingham/Bristol

This thread is a bit mean

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By *esthetic21Man
49 weeks ago

Birmingham/Bristol

"I'm obese and proud!

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By *eachButtonWoman
49 weeks ago

Bath

How judgemental! {{{shakes her head and walks away}}}

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By *oofy321Man
49 weeks ago

moon base zero

"This thread is a bit mean

Not the thread just some people on it..the same who reply when a woman says she's fat they jump on with..your not fat your gorgeous

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By *irthandgirthMan
49 weeks ago

Camberley occasionally doncaster

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food."

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

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By *oxesMan
48 weeks ago

Southend, Essex

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management."

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By *rill PhilMan
48 weeks ago

Crediton

"Oh my.. I hate the word obese. Labelling people sucks. You not heard of diversity at all. Accepting people for who they are.

Go away labelling society.

You do realise that "obese" is a medical term though right? That's kind of like saying people shouldn't be labeled as having cancer or being deaf.

I'm all for people not name calling and not being needlessly cruel but, you absolutely lose me when you start claiming that correct medial terminology is somehow offensive and hurtful.

As you say, it’s a medical label.

It’s not a label for random spods on Fab to use to stigmatize people.

Well, as we don't have a language police force, I guess we're all going to have to be big boys and girls and just accept that other people will say things we don't like and find rude.

I don't know when people decided that it was unacceptable to hear things they don't like but, it's really not helping society.

Conversely, I don’t know when people decided that everyone has to listen to everyone’s opinion on everything, no matter what… but it’s really not helping society

It’s common sense not to comment on other peoples bodies when it’s none of your business - but as you say, common sense isn’t that common."

It's common sense to not enter into discussions you know are going to upset and offend you but, just look at this thread...

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By *onameyet2Man
48 weeks ago

chorley

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management."

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Kate Moss once said that nothing tastes as good as skinny feels, stupid cow.

Cut carbs from your diet, increase protein and fats and you will lose weight. You won't feel as hungry too.

Too much sugar in our modern diet is a massive problem and we've been lied about this since the 50's,

Mrs x

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By *ou only live onceMan
48 weeks ago

London

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more"

Erm, you would. If you upped your exercise and your diet remained constant, you would lose weight. As its simplest, it's just calories in/out - you will lose weight if you burn off more calories than you consume. Obviously, you'd want to focus on diet and exercise together.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
48 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

If your exercise resulted in increase muscle mass your weight could increase.

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By *ou only live onceMan
48 weeks ago

London

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

If your exercise resulted in increase muscle mass your weight could increase. "

Yes, possibly. I guess it depends on the exercise. Unlikely to pack on muscle if you just went running. For most people who would be labelled 'obese', I think it's more likely to see weight loss from exercise than not.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

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It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
48 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

If your exercise resulted in increase muscle mass your weight could increase.

Yes, I was just being pedantic really. I think most would agree that food intake and mobility levels have to be addressed together

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By *ellhungvweMan
48 weeks ago

Cheltenham

TLDR. My views:

1. It’s your body you do with it what _you_ want to.

2. Exercise and diet have a _huge_ impact on your body shape.

3. If you are unhappy with your body then you _can_ change if you _want_ to. If you don’t want to then that’s fine as well.

4. Whatever you decide to do today will have an impact in years to come. Please don’t complain in the future if the decisions you make today cause you issues later on.

5. Your life, your choice.

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By *lmost TouchingMan
48 weeks ago

Wherever I lay my hat.

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies."

In a country where everyone pays for their own healthcare, I would agree wholeheartedly.

In the UK we have a NHS which is funded by our taxes. I object to people smoking and not paying for their lung cancer treatment, alcoholics and pancreatitis and obese diabetics.

Don’t tax us for the NHS, allow us to then pay based on our lifestyle choices and if you want to smoke, eat and/or drink in excess you can pay a premium for

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By *hoirCouple
48 weeks ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

"Can we discuss properly please and not just chew the fat "

Oddly enough the obesity epidemic ballooned when they told us to go low fat. Now all the sugars and additives have a hold in society.

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By *ob ThomasCouple
48 weeks ago

Bridgend

"Can we discuss properly please and not just chew the fat

Oddly enough the obesity epidemic ballooned when they told us to go low fat. Now all the sugars and additives have a hold in society.

100% this. Try eating three doughnuts/bread rolls/weetabix - easy. Try eating three steaks - not a chance.

Go carnivore and forget about calories, your body will tell you when its had enough, and just eat.

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By *rHotNottsMan
48 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently. "

Then the same applies to smokers, drinkers, drug users and so anyone making bad choices that affect their mental or physical health is taking services away from innocent children dying of cancer.

Go to countries where there’s no free health except a&e and where being healthy is needed to be economically secure and see how people behave differently and A&E units are empty because people aren’t stupid at the weekend

What’s going on is lots of people don't care enough about their health to change their behaviour because the NHS is free

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By *hoirCouple
48 weeks ago

Clacton/Bury St. Edmunds

"Can we discuss properly please and not just chew the fat

Oddly enough the obesity epidemic ballooned when they told us to go low fat. Now all the sugars and additives have a hold in society.

100% this. Try eating three doughnuts/bread rolls/weetabix - easy. Try eating three steaks - not a chance.

Go carnivore and forget about calories, your body will tell you when its had enough, and just eat. "

I'm already Carnivore. 3 steaks is easy

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By *ob ThomasCouple
48 weeks ago

Bridgend

Nice one

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By *ittlemissFlirtyCouple
48 weeks ago

Southampton

"What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

Food companies are making a lot of money, that’s what’s going on. "

As are weight loss companies

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By *icecouple561Couple
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48 weeks ago

East Sussex

"What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

Food companies are making a lot of money, that’s what’s going on.

As are weight loss companies "

Now that is the truth!

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By *ou only live onceMan
48 weeks ago

London

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x"

Yes, absolutely; nutritional value is important. But the most basic level, and talking purely about weight loss/gain, you will lose weight if in a calorie deficit. Even if all those calories come from 'junk' food, as I undesirable as that would be.

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By *toC Thats MeWoman
48 weeks ago

Sheffield

"I really don’t think people like Lizzo are positive role models"

See I disagree on this one. She’s lost a decent amount of weight, slowly and naturally.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

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By *onameyet2Man
48 weeks ago

chorley

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

Which is what I said above?

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By *onameyet2Man
48 weeks ago

chorley

"I really don’t think people like Lizzo are positive role models

See I disagree on this one. She’s lost a decent amount of weight, slowly and naturally."

Down to what?

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By *ou only live onceMan
48 weeks ago

London

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

Not disputing that. I'm all about balance; eating nothing but lettuce will do you no good either in the long run.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

Not disputing that. I'm all about balance; eating nothing but lettuce will do you no good either in the long run."
I'm not advocating lettuce, cut the cards, eat more protein and fats and you'll lose weight.

Diet is much more important than exercise for losing weight,

Mrs x

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

I'm not saying don't exercise but dieting is far more important.

And not just calorie counting, you should be eating the right kind of diet,

Mrs x

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By *ou only live onceMan
48 weeks ago

London

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

Not disputing that. I'm all about balance; eating nothing but lettuce will do you no good either in the long run.I'm not advocating lettuce, cut the cards, eat more protein and fats and you'll lose weight.

Diet is much more important than exercise for losing weight,

Mrs x"

I think we're violently agreeing! I've never been in a "diet" in my life. And I love carbs!

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Thanks for clearing that up

Do you think there may be flaws in the majority of all that other evidence too?

Whether he's 'right' or 'wrong' it provokes questions as to where best to place the focus. I doubt you'll find many who wouldn't point straight to food.

There are a number of minor inconsistencies, but the majority of the evidence shows that increasing activity is an effective aid to weight management.

You can lose weight by diet change alone, you will never lose weight by just exercising more

It's not just a simple case of calories in v calories out. Your diet need nutritional value. You can eat things that are very high in calories but have poor nutritional value.

Processed foods are an example of this,

Mrs x

Diet is much more important than exercise for losing weight,

Mrs x

I think we're violently agreeing! I've never been in a "diet" in my life. And I love carbs!

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The word 'diet' isn't great. It brings up all sorts of notions of hardship and deprivation.

It's a way of eating and what you eat that's important.

Carbs are the real devil here though,

Mrs x

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By *immyinreadingMan
48 weeks ago

henley on thames

"Health watchdogs claim a billion in the world are obese and 18 million in the UK and surely that just means it's normal....

What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

Normalising obesity makes no sense whatsoever. It is unhealthy. Suggesting that it’s not unhealthy because lots of other people are obese makes zero sense.

Would excess drinking somehow not be dangerous if enough people were drinking excessively?

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By *uffolk_bigguy1Man
48 weeks ago

Ipswich

So much ignorance on display here. It's quite shocking. No one has a clue what is going on for someone else. No one person's experience is going to be exactly the same for someone else. A little less judgement would go a long way.

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By *immyinreadingMan
48 weeks ago

henley on thames

"So much ignorance on display here. It's quite shocking. No one has a clue what is going on for someone else. No one person's experience is going to be exactly the same for someone else. A little less judgement would go a long way. "

True, we don’t know why any one individual is obese, but when millions are obese there’s a serious problem.

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By *uffolk_bigguy1Man
48 weeks ago

Ipswich

I don't disagree that it's a major issue. I just don't like it when a group of people are tarred with the same brush. We can all agree that there is an obesity issue that needs looking into, but "just eat less, exercise more" completely misses out so much.

It's like telling a depressed person "just cheer up" or an alcoholic "just stop drinking". Everyone's circumstances are individual to them. Just taking that attitude above helps no-one and actually has the potential to only exacerbate the issues.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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48 weeks ago

East Sussex

"I don't disagree that it's a major issue. I just don't like it when a group of people are tarred with the same brush. We can all agree that there is an obesity issue that needs looking into, but "just eat less, exercise more" completely misses out so much.

What do you feel the answer is?

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By *uffolk_bigguy1Man
48 weeks ago

Ipswich

Sadly I don't think there is a grand plan to solve it. A lot of significant obesity issues arise from psychological matters. More investment in psychological and mental health care would be a good start but we know this government doesn't give a shit about that.

My own personal experience is that widespread judgement and blanket problem solving actually increase the likelihood of the issues getting worse. It's not an easy fix, but I just want to see more compassion and empathy from the broader public.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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48 weeks ago

East Sussex

"Sadly I don't think there is a grand plan to solve it. A lot of significant obesity issues arise from psychological matters. More investment in psychological and mental health care would be a good start but we know this government doesn't give a shit about that.

I agree that widespread judgement and finger pointing will never cure anything.

What's your opinion on the easy availability of high calorie, low nutrient food. I'm thinking of how easy it is now to get food to your door without moving from your sofa.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

I agree that widespread judgement and finger pointing will never cure anything.

What's your opinion on the easy availability of high calorie, low nutrient food. I'm thinking of how easy it is now to get food to your door without moving from your sofa. "

That is true. I enjoy a delivery specially if he is drop dead gorgeous.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

Ultra Processed People is a book I highly recommend on the subject. It’s truly scary how much junk is being put in our food not just to extend the shelf life but manipulate our taste buds into wanting more.

Some children are showing signs of liver damage that’s often seen in alcoholics from excess sugar consumption.

It’s deeply concerning the lobbying power a lot of these food companies have over government and I honestly don’t see it changing anytime soon.

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By *ob ThomasCouple
48 weeks ago

Bridgend

The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz is excellent also

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By *asper1987Man
48 weeks ago

Glasgow

As a chubby chaser, I’m happy about this. Haha. Older larger guys are hot.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

"The Big Fat Surprise by Nina Teicholz is excellent also"
Keto is the way forward,

Mrs x

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By *amierebelMan
48 weeks ago

My own little world

Big ole fry up anyone?

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By *mileyculturebelfastMan
48 weeks ago

belfast

There are a lot of excuses for it. Maybe not good ones, but there ARE excuses!"

There aren't really.

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By *ady CurvaceousWoman
48 weeks ago

Kent

I had a gastric sleeve last year (self funded) and steadily losing weight, but I'm still fat. Fat shaming posts are not particularly helpful though. Yes obesity is a problem and obese people take up hospital beds, but so do anorexics, so do people who ride motorcycles and crash, those who smoke, those who are skinny as fuck but have heart issues from a poor diet and need bypasses, those who drink excessively. Choices people make can end up with them spending time in hospital, so before you point a finger at us fatties who are "taking up hospital beds", make sure you include everyone else who takes a risk with their health every single day, including smokers, drinkers, car drivers, bike riders, cyclists,those daring to cross the road without a pedestrian crossing, those who willingly walk down stairs without realising they could fall and break their neck, rock climbers, athletes, steroids users, people who dare to get old, everything can get you in hospital without you expecting it. People live and breath every day and have no idea the choices they make could lead them to spend months in hospital. Living is a risky business and you could be using NHS resources for the simplest of reasons, being fat is just one of them.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

"I had a gastric sleeve last year (self funded) and steadily losing weight, but I'm still fat. Fat shaming posts are not particularly helpful though. Yes obesity is a problem and obese people take up hospital beds, but so do anorexics, so do people who ride motorcycles and crash, those who smoke, those who are skinny as fuck but have heart issues from a poor diet and need bypasses, those who drink excessively. Choices people make can end up with them spending time in hospital, so before you point a finger at us fatties who are "taking up hospital beds", make sure you include everyone else who takes a risk with their health every single day, including smokers, drinkers, car drivers, bike riders, cyclists,those daring to cross the road without a pedestrian crossing, those who willingly walk down stairs without realising they could fall and break their neck, rock climbers, athletes, steroids users, people who dare to get old, everything can get you in hospital without you expecting it. People live and breath every day and have no idea the choices they make could lead them to spend months in hospital. Living is a risky business and you could be using NHS resources for the simplest of reasons, being fat is just one of them. "
You are looking really good, hope you get to where you want on your weight loss journey,

Mrs x

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

"Big ole fry up anyone?

Lovely jubbly be right over

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By *ady CurvaceousWoman
48 weeks ago

Kent

"I had a gastric sleeve last year (self funded) and steadily losing weight, but I'm still fat. Fat shaming posts are not particularly helpful though. Yes obesity is a problem and obese people take up hospital beds, but so do anorexics, so do people who ride motorcycles and crash, those who smoke, those who are skinny as fuck but have heart issues from a poor diet and need bypasses, those who drink excessively. Choices people make can end up with them spending time in hospital, so before you point a finger at us fatties who are "taking up hospital beds", make sure you include everyone else who takes a risk with their health every single day, including smokers, drinkers, car drivers, bike riders, cyclists,those daring to cross the road without a pedestrian crossing, those who willingly walk down stairs without realising they could fall and break their neck, rock climbers, athletes, steroids users, people who dare to get old, everything can get you in hospital without you expecting it. People live and breath every day and have no idea the choices they make could lead them to spend months in hospital. Living is a risky business and you could be using NHS resources for the simplest of reasons, being fat is just one of them. You are looking really good, hope you get to where you want on your weight loss journey,

Mrs x"

Thank you.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

If I pass of enjoying my food so be it.

Then take sugar and sugar alternatives out of food.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
48 weeks ago

Cumbria

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently.

And someone probably couldn’t get a hospital bed when I was in hospital with a serious sports injury. Nor when I was taking up a bed with optional contraceptive surgery.

The moment we start judging who should and should not take up hospital beds is the moment things become very uncomfortable"

This, we could all be in a the position of being in hospital for a reason other people deem not worthy. Obesity is a complex issue that is not simply down to self control, although those whose brains cannot cope with anything other than the simplest things would have you think it is.

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48 weeks ago

Cumbria

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By *ed and WolfieCouple
48 weeks ago

Gravesend

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently.

100% this

But beds taken up because of people with cancer from voluntary or involuntary smoking is fine - I see from your profile you are a smoker.

Just shows a narrow minded bias.

People are various sizes for a whole variety of reasons. Background, medical conditions, mental health, stress, education.......

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By *arley QuimWoman
48 weeks ago

Somewhere

"Tbh I don’t really think it’s any of my business what adults choose to do to their bodies.

Maybe if you couldn't get a hospital bed due to them being filled with obese people and their weight related health issues you would feel differently.

And someone probably couldn’t get a hospital bed when I was in hospital with a serious sports injury. Nor when I was taking up a bed with optional contraceptive surgery.

The moment we start judging who should and should not take up hospital beds is the moment things become very uncomfortable

Totally agree with this. I think it's a very slippery slope when people start trying to demand who is, and isn't deemed worthy of health care.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman
48 weeks ago

Wales

With all this easy access to food is it really surprising?

We've evolved from being hungry ALL the time and having limited availability of food, to it now being everywhere.

A regular corner shop or supermarket is stacked with chocolates, cakes, crisps, pizzas, takeaways is considered a night in.

Corporations getting rich from us getting fat.

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By *arley QuimWoman
48 weeks ago

Somewhere

"With all this easy access to food is it really surprising?

We've evolved from being hungry ALL the time and having limited availability of food, to it now being everywhere.

A regular corner shop or supermarket is stacked with chocolates, cakes, crisps, pizzas, takeaways is considered a night in.

Corporations getting rich from us getting fat. "

I'm not sure that's entirely correct? Yes, absolutely far more easy access to sugar laden foods. But I think it's also to do with a major shift in general activity levels too. Stodgy, high calorie food was very much the way forward going back to the past. People ate to get their calorie count up because they generally grafted their arse off for a living, walking distances was obviously the main means of getting around too. I don't think it's as simple as saying oh there's more junk food available now. It's not the full picture. How we live our daily lives has also drastically changed.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman
48 weeks ago

Wales

"With all this easy access to food is it really surprising?

We've evolved from being hungry ALL the time and having limited availability of food, to it now being everywhere.

A regular corner shop or supermarket is stacked with chocolates, cakes, crisps, pizzas, takeaways is considered a night in.

Corporations getting rich from us getting fat.

You're quite right. It's not as simple as saying there's more junk food available now...and I didn't say just that.

For the majority of human history food has been scarce.

Pretty sure tesco wasn't around in the stone age.

For only a short time - given how long humans have inhabited earth - has there been an abundance of food.

That's what I'm saying. We've evolved into eating as much as possible when it's available.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman
48 weeks ago

Wales

Added to that, we're all sugar addicts.

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By *bflirtyCouple
48 weeks ago

Milton Keynes

We are set up to fail. Food manufacturers deliberately make cheap, high sugar/fat/salt food who we are programmed to take on board whenever available. This is how they make their fortunes, we are addicted by default.

Conversely, pharmaceutical, medical and health clubs/gym business make their money from "helping" you to be healthier.

The government could take significant action but never will because too many people/businesses are invested in the Fat/Fit merry-go-round many of us are riding.

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

Low Fat food is a lie. They remove natural fat, which makes food tasty and so they have to replace it with sugar.

The amount of sugar in low fat food is incredible.

Mrs x

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
48 weeks ago

Portsmouth

"Low Fat food is a lie. They remove natural fat, which makes food tasty and so they have to replace it with sugar.

The amount of sugar in low fat food is incredible.

Mrs x"

You know many now use non sugar sweeteners right

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By *ortyairCouple
48 weeks ago

Wallasey

"Low Fat food is a lie. They remove natural fat, which makes food tasty and so they have to replace it with sugar.

The amount of sugar in low fat food is incredible.

Mrs x

You know many now use non sugar sweeteners right

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They use more carbs which are sugars,

Mrs x

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By *arley QuimWoman
48 weeks ago

Somewhere

"With all this easy access to food is it really surprising?

We've evolved from being hungry ALL the time and having limited availability of food, to it now being everywhere.

A regular corner shop or supermarket is stacked with chocolates, cakes, crisps, pizzas, takeaways is considered a night in.

Corporations getting rich from us getting fat.

You're quite right. It's not as simple as saying there's more junk food available now...and I didn't say just that.

For the majority of human history food has been scarce.

Pretty sure tesco wasn't around in the stone age.

For only a short time - given how long humans have inhabited earth - has there been an abundance of food.

That's what I'm saying. We've evolved into eating as much as possible when it's available. "

But that also doesn't equate to the full picture either. There's the issue that it's ironically actually cheaper to buy food that's cheap to produce, chips, frozen pizza, essentially 'crap'. Than it is to eat well these days. Good quality meat is expensive, fruit and veg that's not frozen goes off relatively quickly. Then you add in essentials to make a full meal, it all adds up quickly. Rising fuel prices don't help, plus the way we need to live our lives in regards to people's working hours, families rarely consist of one parent at home to cook family meals these days. Everyone's on the hop so to speak. I know fine well I don't have the time much to cook from scratch. The issues are much wider than there's a Tesco on every corner.

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By *immyinreadingMan
48 weeks ago

henley on thames

I know that some people have problems that mean that they put on an retain weight despite eating sensibly.

But the much criticised “move a bit more, eat a bit less” motto would reap results for the majority of obese people.

Diet in this country is pretty poor (way too much consumption of takeaways and ready meals, for example), people are too used to stuffing themselves and not making up for it with exercise or a few light days on the food front.

And people are too fond of the idea that there’s a quick fix or a “secret” to losing weight. I lost 12kgs a few years ago, lots of people asked me what the “secret” was and what diet I was on … and you could see eyes glaze over when I explained the changes I’d made … cut out the 2 packets of crisps each day, more fruit, more veg, less takeaways or meals out, and got fit.

You could see “that sounds too much like hard work” registering on prople’s faces.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman
48 weeks ago

Wales

"With all this easy access to food is it really surprising?

We've evolved from being hungry ALL the time and having limited availability of food, to it now being everywhere.

A regular corner shop or supermarket is stacked with chocolates, cakes, crisps, pizzas, takeaways is considered a night in.

Corporations getting rich from us getting fat.

You're quite right. It's not as simple as saying there's more junk food available now...and I didn't say just that.

For the majority of human history food has been scarce.

Pretty sure tesco wasn't around in the stone age.

For only a short time - given how long humans have inhabited earth - has there been an abundance of food.

That's what I'm saying. We've evolved into eating as much as possible when it's available.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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48 weeks ago

East Sussex

Can I just say that frozen fruit and vegetables are just as nutritionally sound as fresh, often more so because they haven't been on the supermarket shelf or the back of the fridge for days. They're way more economical too because you only use the amount you want and they don't go off. One pack of frozen butternut squash, one pack of frozen sweet potato, some frozen diced onions, a stock cube, some tomato puree and seasoning will make a nice soup in around thirty minutes.

There are loads of combinations that work just as well with frozen or tinned vegetables. Tinned fish is pretty good too.

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By *ildo_swagginsthe3rdWoman
48 weeks ago

Wales

Sorry Lady Gager...that thumbs up might have been seen as a bit flippant, it wasn't meant to be.

I agree with you, it's a much wider issue than saying one thing is solely attributable than another and what hinders one person might be totally different to another.

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By *arley QuimWoman
48 weeks ago

Somewhere

"Sorry Lady Gager...that thumbs up might have been seen as a bit flippant, it wasn't meant to be.

I agree with you, it's a much wider issue than saying one thing is solely attributable than another and what hinders one person might be totally different to another."

Oh god no, not at all! And also didn't want to sound like I was arguing with your comments either. As I thought they are totally valid! I suspect, the bottom line is that it's a combo of issues across the board that have created the perfect storm so to speak. And unlike some others have stated. It's rarely just an eat less/exercise more, clear cut answer across the board for society. We all know that's logistics of the 'answer', I totally agree with you. Life in 2024 doesn't mean that'll necessarily happen

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
48 weeks ago

BRIDPORT

Twenty years ago someone said to me, don’t buy reduced fat/low fat labelled food, cos the stuff they put in instead is far worse for you.

That’s how I’ve managed to maintain this Adonis like physique

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