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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." Unless your child is the disruptive one. In which case have a lovely time  | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." My kid and most nowadays, have access to schoolwork online and therefore doesnt fall behind. An hour in the morning flies by and then straight in the pool. Enjoying the cheap sun | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." Cheap sun isn’t always the reason | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. Cheap sun isn’t always the reason " The ski slopes are quieter too ! | |||
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"And yes... it's all over the news" Yea but it’s not really is it!!!!! T | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. Cheap sun isn’t always the reason The ski slopes are quieter too !"  . Can’t do that with my back! | |||
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I can see that expensive education should preserved, rather than imposing issues for all, because some decided to go on holiday. Perhaps the feeling should be much higher. | |||
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"Kids with lower absence rates do better at the end of KS2 and KS4. There is data to support this. So it's a personal choice, but if you regularly take your child on holiday during term time to save a few quid then the likelihood of them having poorer academic outcomes increases. And teachers have to get your child back up to speed or they can be seen to have failed if exam results in that cohort are poor. Falling exam pass rates can get a school in trouble with OFSTED. So do it if you want, but there can be consequences down the line beyond what you pay at the time." Very valid points. My child is rarely off school. A few days before a half term break is what i meant by it. Certainly not just before the summer holidays as holiday agents and airline companies have started putting these prices up now too. Bit i do understand the falling behind student/teacher pressure debate. | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly." I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. Unless your child is the disruptive one. In which case have a lovely time "Yes in this case have plenty of holidays | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else " You could take two weeks to spend time together during the summer. | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else You could take two weeks to spend time together during the summer." We couldn’t. | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else " Me too | |||
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"Can you pay 80 quid to leave them in school during the holidays? Just post a multipack of cheese strings through the school letterbox and collect them in 2 weeks." | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday." Teacher training is putting children's education first. | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly." I think it is a good thing.. not everyone can afford to go during school holidays. Also kids can learn while away. I took my daughter out of school when I was refused permission to take her on an educational trip. She had an invite to take part in an actual dig at herculaneum... so we home schooled from then on. She is 17 and a year into her law degree. We did a lot of our learning while away. As a child my mum would take me and my sister out of school often... I was never behind on work Cali | |||
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"Can you pay 80 quid to leave them in school during the holidays? Just post a multipack of cheese strings through the school letterbox and collect them in 2 weeks." | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday." Inset days and strikes........ | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. " I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? | |||
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"Can you pay 80 quid to leave them in school during the holidays? Just post a multipack of cheese strings through the school letterbox and collect them in 2 weeks." | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. " As the ex husband, brother, brother in law and friend on loads of teachers, I can honestly say they all see them as doss days | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? " Because that's a holiday? | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? " Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. · Inset days and strikes........" • Wait a moment — it's "inset day"? I always thought it was "insect day" and all about Entomology. Also, I recently found out that 'thing' that happens during Christmas is a "Nativity Play". I thought it was called "Activity Play". | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. As the ex husband, brother, brother in law and friend on loads of teachers, I can honestly say they all see them as doss days " Exactly what I've heard from two teacher friends too. | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? " All the private schools I know have longer holidays than state schools, so I imagine that has an impact. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." They can catch up with their mates | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? All the private schools I know have longer holidays than state schools, so I imagine that has an impact. " State school 6 weeks in the summer, two weeks at Easter, two weeks at Christmas and three weeks of half-terms not enough time to fit the training days in then? | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? All the private schools I know have longer holidays than state schools, so I imagine that has an impact. State school 6 weeks in the summer, two weeks at Easter, two weeks at Christmas and three weeks of half-terms not enough time to fit the training days in then? " You've sidestepped my point about private schools having longer holidays. In any case, I don't think we're going to agree | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? All the private schools I know have longer holidays than state schools, so I imagine that has an impact. State school 6 weeks in the summer, two weeks at Easter, two weeks at Christmas and three weeks of half-terms not enough time to fit the training days in then? You've sidestepped my point about private schools having longer holidays. In any case, I don't think we're going to agree "I think we can agree on your last sentence!  | |||
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"As the distant relative of somebody who once met a teacher's second cousin I can honestly say they all clock off as soon as the school bell goes, never work at weekends and spend most of the year lazing about either on strike or on holiday "FACTS | |||
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"As the distant relative of somebody who once met a teacher's second cousin I can honestly say they all clock off as soon as the school bell goes, never work at weekends and spend most of the year lazing about either on strike or on holiday "Troof this is , honest to god | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else " agreed it was high on my list too and my oldest daughter got a 2-1 | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. As the ex husband, brother, brother in law and friend on loads of teachers, I can honestly say they all see them as doss days Exactly what I've heard from two teacher friends too. " I used to be on staff at a private school. We had to attend some of the teacher training day. I assure you, six hours of safeguarding training is not a 'doss day' unless you're a sociopath. | |||
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"So as usual, these type of threads turn into how lazy teachers are and how a couple of days of strikes where they are striking for better conditions (not just for them ) and pay is the same as taking a child out of school for two weeks hols. It isn't the same thing at all. Going back to the OP, I don't think it is a deterrent as the parents would no doubt save much more money doing it that way than booking their Hols in the School holiday time. I am in two minds though as yes, they may have to catch up when they get back, but if they were off sick for a while and not well enough to work then they would still need to catch up when they got back. Many moons ago we didn't have to have permission to not be in school so it didn't apply to us, but when we did take the kids away in school time ( only the once )they didn't suffer with their schoolwork. I suppose it depends on how many times they are missing school as to whether there would be an issue or not." For whats its worth, I totally agree with teacher strikes being in term time, otherwise what's the point? My beef is that training days could, and should, be better planned! | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else agreed it was high on my list too and my oldest daughter got a 2-1 "Neither of mine never had much time off either for illness etc so their attendance was always good. Didn’t have a choice with holidays, it was nothing to do with the cost | |||
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"It's a shame that education authorities don't apply the same "your kids education is paramount" argument when planning 3 days of teacher training AFTER the 6-week summer holiday. Teacher training is putting children's education first. I agree - but you're missing the point. Why does it need to be done AFTER the 6-weeks holiday? Because that's a holiday? Yes, yes, yes, teachers deserve a holiday too, etc.... Elle works in a private school - a different school to the one our kids go to - and they do their training days in the holidays so why can't state schools? " I'm not a teacher but I was never asked to undertake training on contractually agreed holiday days. | |||
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"Holidays aren't a necessity for children to have. They shouldn't be allowed to sacrifice schoolwork to go away on holiday. I have always been stunned that parents think it's fine just to take their kids out of education for a jolly. I couldn’t disagree more. With 2 parents who work full time, a family holiday where everyone can have fun and spend precious time together for 2 weeks (or however long) is essential to me and comes way above anything else agreed it was high on my list too and my oldest daughter got a 2-1
Neither of mine never had much time off either for illness etc so their attendance was always good. Didn’t have a choice with holidays, it was nothing to do with the cost "not for me either (cost) it was more about travelling and travelling is an education in itself | |||
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"Reports that the fine for taking a child out of school during term time is rising to £80. Is this a deterrent or a money making exercise. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...." its a general ripoff against a parent trying to have a parent and child happy holiday without the stress. these 2 terms are always applied by the powers at be. "Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." "Kids with lower absence rates do better at the end of KS2 and KS4. There is data to support this. So it's a personal choice, but if you regularly take your child on holiday during term time to save a few quid then the likelihood of them having poorer academic outcomes increases. And teachers have to get your child back up to speed or they can be seen to have failed if exam results in that cohort are poor. Falling exam pass rates can get a school in trouble with OFSTED. So do it if you want, but there can be consequences down the line beyond what you pay at the time." these terms are never used when a child is sick or poorly or has to spend a long time in hospital. the fine is a stick to beat the parents with, you will conform. if you went the other way. you dont see any reducements on holidays during term time. if anything all you see is the holiday places making double or tripple the price when it comes to term time holidays. it dosnt matter if your poor or rich every person should have the ability to take there children on a decent low cost holiday. some children only have one day out as the prices are so high at end of terms. Since i pulled my children out at just the last 2 weeks in july term where the teachers are really not doing much. it was the best time, I got cheaper holidays that allowed 2 weeks worth of holiday that id only have 5 days or 1 week in the 6 week holiday. its a rip off in my eyes | |||
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"Yes education is important but so is family time away from distractions of work etc. If a child was off poorly for a week they'd catch up & it wouldn't be pulled up on, I'm sure a week off for quality family time is much the same I hardly think it'll cause them to fail exams. Yea school is important but so are family relationships, time is precious a holiday now and then isn't really causing huge issues. Mrs " But here's the thing. A child getting sick is involuntary. I'm pretty sure that all teachers don't mind helping a child who missed work because they were unwell. But if all children are taken away out of lessons, at random times, for jolly holidays (which are not required for a child education or wellbeing) then that becomes a massive burden on both teachers and the other children in the class. I used to teach a sport in a private school. I remember once, a child was taken out of school for a week for a jolly. That week happened to be the time I did their exams to move them up to the next stage. The child did not attend, therefore the child did not pass, therefore the child did not move up to the next stage and it would be another term before the child had that opportunity again. I had to explain myself in the headteacher's office to the parent why I did not find it acceptable to set back another eleven students in the cohort just because they'd decided to take their kid abroad. 8 UCAS points were at stake, and they really needed those UCAS points. | |||
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"For some education is paramount no ifs and buts and it is important but family time is just as important the children learn their best people skills on family holidays I'm not talking about d*unken binges to Benidorm either I'm talking about more adventurous holidays and i always made sure no exams were missed. Education and qualifications are important but what do they actually show that you can remember unimportant facts from History, that you know the geography of the planet, that you can add and subtract my youngest daughter hated mathematics couldn't grasp it because she didn't enjoy it and now shes an accountant "I’ve always felt that the actual subject is not so relevant, I mean if you have a career mapped out and know what specific qualifications you are going to need, then obviously they are important but in general I think that an exam result is just a measure or reflection of, someones aptitude for learning. By having different subjects it just increases the different types of learning required. That could be fact retention or separating out relevant information and applying it etc etc Your ability to learn is more important than what you learn is the crux of what I’m getting at. | |||
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"For some education is paramount no ifs and buts and it is important but family time is just as important the children learn their best people skills on family holidays I'm not talking about d*unken binges to Benidorm either I'm talking about more adventurous holidays and i always made sure no exams were missed. Education and qualifications are important but what do they actually show that you can remember unimportant facts from History, that you know the geography of the planet, that you can add and subtract my youngest daughter hated mathematics couldn't grasp it because she didn't enjoy it and now shes an accountant "I failed maths and worked 25 years in a bank | |||
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"Yes education is important but so is family time away from distractions of work etc. If a child was off poorly for a week they'd catch up & it wouldn't be pulled up on, I'm sure a week off for quality family time is much the same I hardly think it'll cause them to fail exams. Yea school is important but so are family relationships, time is precious a holiday now and then isn't really causing huge issues. Mrs But here's the thing. A child getting sick is involuntary. I'm pretty sure that all teachers don't mind helping a child who missed work because they were unwell. But if all children are taken away out of lessons, at random times, for jolly holidays (which are not required for a child education or wellbeing) then that becomes a massive burden on both teachers and the other children in the class. I used to teach a sport in a private school. I remember once, a child was taken out of school for a week for a jolly. That week happened to be the time I did their exams to move them up to the next stage. The child did not attend, therefore the child did not pass, therefore the child did not move up to the next stage and it would be another term before the child had that opportunity again. I had to explain myself in the headteacher's office to the parent why I did not find it acceptable to set back another eleven students in the cohort just because they'd decided to take their kid abroad. 8 UCAS points were at stake, and they really needed those UCAS points." It's fine if they need to go on an 'educational' skiing residential with the school though or to an outdoor residential centre. Those types of holidays are educationally valuable. Anything else is just a jolly. | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the affect that this has on those who holiday out of term time to have squawking kids ruining their holidays by screaming and constantly enjoying themselves. That is where the selfishness really lies" You're really trying hard with this one, aren't you Tom? | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the affect that this has on those who holiday out of term time to have squawking kids ruining their holidays by screaming and constantly enjoying themselves. That is where the selfishness really lies You're really trying hard with this one, aren't you Tom? "Tom posts effortlessly thank you  | |||
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"For some education is paramount no ifs and buts and it is important but family time is just as important the children learn their best people skills on family holidays I'm not talking about d*unken binges to Benidorm either I'm talking about more adventurous holidays and i always made sure no exams were missed. Education and qualifications are important but what do they actually show that you can remember unimportant facts from History, that you know the geography of the planet, that you can add and subtract my youngest daughter hated mathematics couldn't grasp it because she didn't enjoy it and now shes an accountant
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"Well 4 of mine so far in primary school so looks like our donation in May to go to america will pay for the fireworks display "how much do you think fireworks cost lol | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. " Because there would be no impact and therefore no point | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. Because there would be no impact and therefore no point " So, should the parents ask for lost wages and then fine the school to compensate? The kids don't lose out then? Hypocrisy? | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. " Can I also just add, as teachers don't get paid for summer holidays - why strike when you are not being paid? You know teachers are paid for the terms they work plus statutory 4 wks holidays and this is then spread over the year (so dependent of area paod approx 40 wks and that is spread of over 52 weeks). That would be like me striking on Saturday when I work Mon - Thurs. Completely pointless. MrsAbz | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. " What would be the point!?! | |||
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" For whats its worth, I totally agree with teacher strikes being in term time, otherwise what's the point? My beef is that training days could, and should, be better planned! " I am sure someone who knows for sure will be able to tell us, but I always thought the school terms are the same amount of days that is required, so the kids probably wouldn't be in school that day anyway? | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. " I don't think that you understand why people strike, or how strikes work. | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the affect that this has on those who holiday out of term time to have squawking kids ruining their holidays by screaming and constantly enjoying themselves. That is where the selfishness really lies" There comes part two | |||
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"Nobody has mentioned the affect that this has on those who holiday out of term time to have squawking kids ruining their holidays by screaming and constantly enjoying themselves. That is where the selfishness really lies" go on an adult only holiday | |||
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" Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. " There would be no point, strikes for better pay or conditions ( not just for them ) will not cause any disruption in school holidays as errmmm, the schools would be shut. | |||
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" For whats its worth, I totally agree with teacher strikes being in term time, otherwise what's the point? My beef is that training days could, and should, be better planned! I am sure someone who knows for sure will be able to tell us, but I always thought the school terms are the same amount of days that is required, so the kids probably wouldn't be in school that day anyway? " This is true. The number of teaching days remains the same MrsAbz | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. I don't think that you understand why people strike, or how strikes work." I have never been in a unionised job. | |||
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"I've a slightly different view and perspective. Currently I live in Southern Finland. It's very different here because all schools are considered to the equal. The state schools would never consider publishing league tables. It unpegs perceptions of good or bad schools. The next point is the absence and the fines. I suspect they have minimal effect on the actual performance. The students need to take ownership of their own learning and understanding the curriculum. If Mum and Dad want to take the family out for a week's skiing or beach holiday, the ownus must be on the family and student to catch up. The UK has no shortage of private tutors who can coach the kids. The UK had a system that's geared up to rush the students in and out of the system at breakneck speed. We all learn at different rates, so why expect all students to complete schools at 18 and university at 21/22. " Every part of the education system needs an overhaul but it won't be happening for the foreseeable. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. Can I also just add, as teachers don't get paid for summer holidays - why strike when you are not being paid? You know teachers are paid for the terms they work plus statutory 4 wks holidays and this is then spread over the year (so dependent of area paod approx 40 wks and that is spread of over 52 weeks). That would be like me striking on Saturday when I work Mon - Thurs. Completely pointless. MrsAbz" Yeah, but it means you could go on strike and not loose any pay, win win. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." yes this !! | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. or teachers going on strike IN TERM time. Order of importance: 1: Teachers' pay and right to strike (which results in lost wages for Mum/Dad) 2: Children's education 3: Parents' finances and rip-off holiday prices Why not strike in the Summer holidays? I have never heard a decent excuse for this. Can I also just add, as teachers don't get paid for summer holidays - why strike when you are not being paid? You know teachers are paid for the terms they work plus statutory 4 wks holidays and this is then spread over the year (so dependent of area paod approx 40 wks and that is spread of over 52 weeks). That would be like me striking on Saturday when I work Mon - Thurs. Completely pointless. MrsAbz" So you get paid the same amount every month, just like the rest of the salaried workers. If you’ve only got 4 weeks statuary holidays, you’ll have used them all up by whit week. In that case there should be no need to call strikes or have training days at children’s educations expense. They can be done in the remaining 6 week holidays and oct half term. | |||
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"Children imo should not be taken out if school during term time. They are there to be educated, they have years ahead of them to go on holiday. Also Some of us want child free vacations. " Haha agreed! I think its really disruptive for a child to be taken out of school when they are age 12 and above. They would miss so much school work leading to their gcse years Younger children I can't comment about as I have no idea about key stages etc. | |||
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"Still op I have heard summer hols could be reduced to 4 weeks. " The proposal I've seen locally is to reduce summer by a week and extend October by a week. It wouldn't happen for a couple more years though. | |||
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" In that case there should be no need to call strikes or have training days at children’s educations expense. They can be done in the remaining 6 week holidays and oct half term. " It's only at the expense of their education if you're of the opinion they're not learning enough. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. Unless your child is the disruptive one. In which case have a lovely time " in fact why not extend? Permanently | |||
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"Extend October ? 38 days in October ?" That's right. And just 24 in August. Always rains in August anyway. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun. Unless your child is the disruptive one. In which case have a lovely time "lmao | |||
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" I took my daughter out of school when I was refused permission to take her on an educational trip. She had an invite to take part in an actual dig at herculaneum... " But this isn't a typical example is it? It's dissapointing that happened in your case, but many parents want to take their kids to an all inclusive resort or Thompsons Family Value trip where they barely leave the hotel unless it's to visit the "drink all you can, local dance show." There's not much educational value in those holidays. I'm hoping I don't sound all "in my day ...." but when I was a kid, many families didn't get a foreign holiday, ever. I was lucky to get a few days in the rented caravan at *Saundersfoot with my grandparents. Camping with the scouts was good too. Quality time? Go for walks in your local parks and have a picnic. Jump in rock pools. Go for bike rides. But do it in the school holidays. Gbat *I know it would be really expensive to rent caravan these days, but use your imagination. You don't have to go expensive for quality family time. | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' " this !! | |||
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"Reports that the fine for taking a child out of school during term time is rising to £80. Is this a deterrent or a money making exercise. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news...." I’d like to know where and to whom the money goes to Cheeky fuckers ! | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' " Ridiculous Far more to life then having kids sitting in a classroom being dictated to by the state Who the hell do they think they are in the first place to even implement it ! | |||
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"I took my tow to Egypt during term time and was given a fine. I refused to pay and was taken to court. I argued that my children received more education in the 10 days we were away, visiting the Cairo Museum and pyramids, ancient sites and full immersion into history and culture, than they would have if they were in school. The court agreed with me and found in my favour. If it's just chasing sun, I'm not to happy with taking kids out of school for holidays, but there will always be exceptions. And I agree. Financially, it's worth the fine, but that offset is narrowing very quickly." That’s really good to know that the judicial system sometimes sees sense As I’m not British I have to go see family and family weddings ect Iv recently put in for a request and I’m awaiting a response Holiday is booked already | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' Ridiculous Far more to life then having kids sitting in a classroom being dictated to by the state Who the hell do they think they are in the first place to even implement it ! " By that comment, I take it you disagree with going to school at all? | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' " All should conform? I'd prefer children to be educated to think for themselves. | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' All should conform? I'd prefer children to be educated to think for themselves. " I agree but By teachers and by parents that abide by the school. Otherwise to me, it's like saying it's OK to truant coz I'm your parent Everyone has different opinions That's life | |||
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"I can’t believe some parents actually take their kids on holidays. We just leave ours with the help. But we hide the venison and caviar before we go." That's how many regard school. | |||
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"You also do have to look at this from a very angle ofcourse. I know a teacher and she is livid with parents that take their child out of school for holidays. She works in a school where this all to often happens some times two to 3 students at a time for sometime 2 - 3 weeks and her reasoning for disliking this practice is the huge impact it has on their own eduction but also others in the class who she can’t give the time too as she has to help others catch up. She has actually written to the PM some time ago to put her views across and ask for parents to actually face prison time for such acts. " She sounds like a moron wanting to destroy families lives with prison sentences. is she mentally retarded or just on a self righteous ego jaunt with that view | |||
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"I think we need to decide exactly what role we want schools and teachers to play in our children's education. I'm reading of reception teachers routinely having to change nappies because parents don't think that toilet training is important or that it's a teacher's job, kids starting school unable to use cutlery, parents who think the school should be responsible for teaching their children about money, how to use public transport, sex education etc etc If we want to choose when to send our kids to school then we need to make a clear commitment to ensuring that we fill any gaps in their knowledge. Maybe if as much effort was put in to lobbying holiday companies to even out prices as is put in to criticising teachers or claiming rights as a parent, this problem wouldn't exist " | |||
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"I think we need to decide exactly what role we want schools and teachers to play in our children's education. I'm reading of reception teachers routinely having to change nappies because parents don't think that toilet training is important or that it's a teacher's job, kids starting school unable to use cutlery, parents who think the school should be responsible for teaching their children about money, how to use public transport, sex education etc etc If we want to choose when to send our kids to school then we need to make a clear commitment to ensuring that we fill any gaps in their knowledge. Maybe if as much effort was put in to lobbying holiday companies to even out prices as is put in to criticising teachers or claiming rights as a parent, this problem wouldn't exist " When I kids started primary school my eldest is in his final year. You had to be potty trained to start school. And that the basic skills of cutlery use, holding a pencil were established. To me schools should teach the things I can't, because I don't have the knowledge. I teach them how to cook, my eldest has his own card so is learning about finances and I've had to explain and discuss porn to him. That is my job as a parent. I also talk to them so I know what they are learning in school, and if possible we will go on a day trip to learn more about the subject. Taking kids out of school in my opinion isn't the best thing. And I don't think all holidays are of equal educational value, I'm not sure of the educational value of a week on a beach or Disney land. Versus my mates who took their kids on a road trip of lots of different historical cities as their child loved history (child now in uni studying history). If kids are taken out, it should be the parents responsibility to get their kids caught up not the schools. If they as parents are unable to they can pay for tutors. I wonder if our perceived right to have a holiday abroad is an issue? Nobody went abroad when I was a kid, at most it was a holiday in a caravan or with relatives. Yet we hark on how much better it was for us as kids back in the day. Sorry that was a bit of a ramble. | |||
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"You also do have to look at this from a very angle ofcourse. I know a teacher and she is livid with parents that take their child out of school for holidays. She works in a school where this all to often happens some times two to 3 students at a time for sometime 2 - 3 weeks and her reasoning for disliking this practice is the huge impact it has on their own eduction but also others in the class who she can’t give the time too as she has to help others catch up. She has actually written to the PM some time ago to put her views across and ask for parents to actually face prison time for such acts. " "What you in here for?" "I murdered 3 people with my bare hands, you?" "Took my kid on holiday for a week" I bet even the pm had a laugh | |||
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"Is cutlery use a "basic skill" for some Indian and African families in UK who eat with their fingers ? My friend (born in Birmingham) had never seen a knife and fork til she went to school" No it isn't but it's a basic requirement if you want you child to eat school meals that require cutlery. Part of a parent's job regardless of culture is to ensure that their children are prepared for the outside world as far as possible. My ex husband and his family routinely ate with their fingers nobody ever gave me cutlery, when we visited his home we didn't use plates either but everyone taught their kids how to eat western food. | |||
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"Is cutlery use a "basic skill" for some Indian and African families in UK who eat with their fingers ? My friend (born in Birmingham) had never seen a knife and fork til she went to school" I think it is, though maybe along with saying children have to be potty trained before they start school. It needs to be made clearer that school dinners (if they eat them) require basic cutlery skills to be able to eat them. Though not sure that it's required these days. I thought you had to use cutlery to eat sauces as a child. My kids are far more culturally aware and know how other cultures eat their food. I would presume this work the other way around too. | |||
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"What a good lesson the children learn in doing this. 'It's OK, we're just bending the rules, it won't make your friends jealous and turn their backs, it won't inadvertently single you out by a teacher which makes an atmosphere in class, you'll be OK that we've been selfish by thinking rules don't apply to us' Ridiculous Far more to life then having kids sitting in a classroom being dictated to by the state Who the hell do they think they are in the first place to even implement it ! By that comment, I take it you disagree with going to school at all?" Not in the slightest But when it becomes overreach it becomes something entirely different Please don’t try putting words in my mouth | |||
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" I'm reading of reception teachers routinely having to change nappies because parents don't think that toilet training is important or that it's a teacher's job " This is normal now. Add to that the huge increase in SEN with dwindling support and resources. I know of a mother who took her child on holiday which happened to coincide with getting her teeth done. She doesn't work and her child has complex needs (nappy changes are the very least of them). | |||
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" I'm reading of reception teachers routinely having to change nappies because parents don't think that toilet training is important or that it's a teacher's job This is normal now. Add to that the huge increase in SEN with dwindling support and resources. I know of a mother who took her child on holiday which happened to coincide with getting her teeth done. She doesn't work and her child has complex needs (nappy changes are the very least of them). " There will always be extreme cases. I'm not an advocate for sending kids to school and accepting everything they're told. I think experience outside of the state regulated education system is just as important. However parents and guardians need to accept that they're just as responsible for their children's education as the teachers are. Fine! Take Tarquin and Cherryblossom to Ibiza for a fortnight in June but make sure they pick up on the important stuff they missed at school. I still have trouble declining certain French verbs because I was off sick the week they were taught and nobody cared back in Noah's day. I also missed a lot of school at 14 and 16 because my parents kept me at home to look after my dad and brothers when my mum was ill. I had gaps in knowledge that I only filled in later in my life. | |||
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"What would the parents say if they couldn't send kids to school because the teacher has taken their kids on holiday during term time?" Good question | |||
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"What would the parents say if they couldn't send kids to school because the teacher has taken their kids on holiday during term time?" can you imagine it! | |||
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" The only time I was ever taken out of school "for a holiday" during term time was 2005. Champions League Final in Istanbul (I can tell people are already frothing at the fact I was taken out for a "ruddy football match". " And what a match it was !!! | |||
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"What would the parents say if they couldn't send kids to school because the teacher has taken their kids on holiday during term time?" I can say why dont we fine the teachers for going on holiday in term time. Having a temporary teacher is not the same as having the actual teacher and many have no idea whats been taught. It happened often in my school where they came back suntanned and speaking about how good there holiday was. rubbing it in. | |||
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"What would the parents say if they couldn't send kids to school because the teacher has taken their kids on holiday during term time? I can say why dont we fine the teachers for going on holiday in term time. Having a temporary teacher is not the same as having the actual teacher and many have no idea whats been taught. It happened often in my school where they came back suntanned and speaking about how good there holiday was. rubbing it in." I don't know when you were in school and if it was allowed at that time, but they wouldn't be allowed to take holidays in term time now. | |||
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"Tom was never a teacher although he has been told that he would of been an excellent one. Formal education is one thing but real life learning is another. Formal education is so limiting at many schools filling their heads with useless information that they will never use again and specially in some of the sciences. Some of the wisest men that Tom has ever met had little formal education while some of the most educated often have little common sense. Some of this may come from jealousy that teachers cannot holiday in term time and they resent others with that freedom of choice. " What is not useful in Science (as that's what you've highlighted?) Information about the workings of the human body? Forces/Motion? Ecology? Energy? Do these not help pupils understand the world around them? Particularly y'know, since they have a body! That's pretty useful no? | |||
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" I can say why dont we fine the teachers for going on holiday in term time. Having a temporary teacher is not the same as having the actual teacher and many have no idea whats been taught. It happened often in my school where they came back suntanned and speaking about how good there holiday was. rubbing it in." What school would waste budget money paying for a supply teacher whilst the actual teacher was away on holiday ? | |||
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"Yes education is important but so is family time away from distractions of work etc. If a child was off poorly for a week they'd catch up & it wouldn't be pulled up on, I'm sure a week off for quality family time is much the same I hardly think it'll cause them to fail exams. Yea school is important but so are family relationships, time is precious a holiday now and then isn't really causing huge issues. Mrs " __ Family is important. Next weekend I'm taking my Y7 son abroad to be with his grandma, celebrating her 90th birthday. It might be the last time he ever sees her. He's going to miss 2 days of school. Have not asked for permission and won't feel any remorse. Catch up in subjects due to the lost attendance? My son moved this term to a new school and he gets bored at maths now, the level they assigned him to is so basic he's doing stuff he mastered at year 5. Someone else needs to catch up at the new school, not him. | |||
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"Good. As a former teacher i can confirm this is very disruptive to all concerned. Parents don't do it unless you want to home school your children. It's not fair on overworked teachers to expect them to get YOUR child caught up because you fancied some cheap sun." If they were sick it would be the same thing. If taken them out of school is going to affect them then they are fucked anyway. Blame the holiday companies who raise the prices out of term time and ensure poorer parents can't afford time away. | |||
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"Blame the holiday companies? Did people miss their economics lessons? If 100 people want to book 95 holidays, the best paying customers get them. Is it really too difficult to make memories in the scheduled holidays? I get going to a wedding, or your nan’s 90th party, but a week in Torremolinos isn’t in the same league, is it? Gbat " Yes it totally makes sense for companies to increase the price where demand dictates, so kids from richer parents get lots of experiences and kids from poorer parents don't. | |||
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"Tomorrow is never promised for anyone so I’d encourage people to take the odd time out with their kids if it suits because of cost during peak season etc Making memories is so important because before you know they’ve flown the nest. Kids are going to experience a different culture, foreign language, new foods, the list of benefits is endless and will be used throughout their life unlike how to play three blind mice on a bloody recorder. As someone else said blame the holiday companies, hotels and airlines for being greedy and if a kid is out of school through illness for one week what’s the difference." Exactly!x | |||
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"Yes it totally makes sense for companies to increase the price where demand dictates, so kids from richer parents get lots of experiences and kids from poorer parents don't. " Yes, apparently Nike and Xbox are going to “means test” all their customers so that less well paid shoppers can buy their products at an individually calculated price. That’s so much fairer, isn’t it? [insert sarcasm emoji here]. Gbat | |||
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