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By *apioman OP Man
39 weeks ago

Shipley

How much do people judge art (any type) by the lifestyle or views of the artist who created it?

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
39 weeks ago

Reading

Hitlers was pretty shit.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester

It depends on what the purpose of the judgement is, and what methodology you are using to view the art.

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By *apioman OP Man
39 weeks ago

Shipley

Was thinking about it in the context of a different forum thread where I declared publicly my love of the music of the Smiths, whilst recognising Morrissey as an objectionable racist twat.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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39 weeks ago

East Sussex

I don't really know much about most artists so I tend to view art through the lens of my own views of prejudices

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester

"Was thinking about it in the context of a different forum thread where I declared publicly my love of the music of the Smiths, whilst recognising Morrissey as an objectionable racist twat. "

I have a similar love-hate relationship with the font Gill Sans. Eric Gill, who designed the font, sexually abused his daughters.

I hate the fact that it's on the front of every Penguin book I add to my collection, and on the London Underground signs.

But it's incredibly beautiful.

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By *apioman OP Man
39 weeks ago

Shipley

"It depends on what the purpose of the judgement is, and what methodology you are using to view the art."

I guess the judgement is... they are/ were a bad person so I will be validating them by positive engagement with their work. Personally I try to see the art for what it is away from the life of the person who made it.

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By *rHotNottsMan
39 weeks ago

Dubai & Nottingham

"I don't really know much about most artists so I tend to view art through the lens of my own views of prejudices "

That’s exactly the purpose of art. Most stories about what art means are made up under pressure. I bought a piece awhile back and told the artist what I thought it meant and he was really pleased it that impact on me & thought it was a really interesting and deep observation. So I asked him what it was really about as he created it he said no idea he was just having a bad day.

Another piece I have a by an agoraphobic artist has really helped my daughter When she was suffering with anxiety and stress. When I spoke to the artist she just said it was a way of escaping the 4 walls of her flat Through her imagination & that’s as much as she could say really. But her manager created a page or two of what it meant, Which is really just what he thought it meant to him

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By *bi HaiveMan
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39 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Well. I burnt all my Lost Prophets CD's a few years back, which is unfair on the rest of the band, but.......

And there's a few actors I can't stand based on their real life views so won't watch anything with them in if I can help it.

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By *ensuallover1000Man
39 weeks ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

I find that sometimes I can or at least, am more willing to seperate the art from the artist (for instance, the late composer Richard Wagner) but other times less so (I won’t be watching Jim’ll Fix it ever again)

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By *ulieAndBeefCouple
39 weeks ago

Manchester-ish

"Was thinking about it in the context of a different forum thread where I declared publicly my love of the music of the Smiths, whilst recognising Morrissey as an objectionable racist twat.

I have a similar love-hate relationship with the font Gill Sans. Eric Gill, who designed the font, sexually abused his daughters.

I hate the fact that it's on the front of every Penguin book I add to my collection, and on the London Underground signs.

But it's incredibly beautiful."

Hello fellow typeface fan! I have that problem with Gill Sans too. It's on pretty much every local pub sign near us too. Why couldn't they use Johnston?

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester

"It depends on what the purpose of the judgement is, and what methodology you are using to view the art.

I don’t think we should separate art from the artist. If you remove the artist from the art then it loses almost all meaning. At that point it’s not really art anymore and it just becomes a pretty picture.

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By *apioman OP Man
39 weeks ago

Shipley

"I don’t think we should separate art from the artist. If you remove the artist from the art then it loses almost all meaning. At that point it’s not really art anymore and it just becomes a pretty picture."

I often go to galleries and look at paintings etc without knowing the context. I still appreciate it and can get a strong reaction as I'm not intellectualising it.

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By *ellhungvweMan
39 weeks ago

Cheltenham

I don’t think there is a binary answer to this question. If you say that you don’t care about the artist then you can easily find examples of people who pretty much no one could/would defend (Hitlers already been called out). On the other hand if you say judging the artist is fundamental then, if done truthfully, you would find reason to not like anyone as we are all flawed in some way that is not defensible.

Personally I tend to separate the individual and their art - I can like the art but dislike the artist (Hitler not withstanding).

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester

I often go to galleries and look at paintings etc without knowing the context. I still appreciate it and can get a strong reaction as I'm not intellectualising it. "

A strong reaction to the visual elements of a painting and not the content or context was written about by Clive Bell in his theory of Aesthetic Emotion. You might enjoy reading it.

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By *ndycoinsMan
39 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"Was thinking about it in the context of a different forum thread where I declared publicly my love of the music of the Smiths, whilst recognising Morrissey as an objectionable racist twat.

I have a similar love-hate relationship with the font Gill Sans. Eric Gill, who designed the font, sexually abused his daughters.

I hate the fact that it's on the front of every Penguin book I add to my collection, and on the London Underground signs.

But it's incredibly beautiful."

Typeface( partially from the Greek),Fonts are in Churches.

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By *ymAndIcedCoffeeWoman
39 weeks ago

Worcester

"Was thinking about it in the context of a different forum thread where I declared publicly my love of the music of the Smiths, whilst recognising Morrissey as an objectionable racist twat.

I have a similar love-hate relationship with the font Gill Sans. Eric Gill, who designed the font, sexually abused his daughters.

I hate the fact that it's on the front of every Penguin book I add to my collection, and on the London Underground signs.

But it's incredibly beautiful.

Typeface( partially from the Greek),Fonts are in Churches."

Not quite correct.

Typeface refers to the overall design and style, whereas font replies to the specific variations of that font (and also you’re correct - you find fonts in a church).

So if I said Gill Sans referring to the entire family of fonts within it, that would be me referring to the typeface. However I was referring specifically to the original singular Gill Sans that comes only in capitals (hence why I referenced penguin books and the underground) and therefore font is technically correct.

And being technically correct is the best kind of correct.

(Ps very much reccomend the short book you can buy about Gill Sans).

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By (user no longer on site)
39 weeks ago

I like what I see or hear. I can’t help it.

But I also, I don’t look at art or listen to this by people I think are Asholes… because I cant help it.

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By *andyindarloMan
38 weeks ago

Wednesbury

If you like a piece of art who gives a shit about the artist. Plenty of songs are recorded by complete tossers. Many great films made by perverts. If the art is good the art is good

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By *rill PhilMan
38 weeks ago

Crediton

As much as possible I try to separate the art from the artist. It depends how terrible what they have done is and whether or not it directly impacted their art. I will not blame the art for the behavior of the artist.

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By (user no longer on site)
38 weeks ago

I could not look at art in a gallery by Lucien Freud or Francis Bacon because both men were such arseholes and I associate their art with that. So I can't enjoy it anymore.

But what of those artists where I don't know what they were like or the horrible things they did? I honestly don't have the energy or time to interrogate each one.

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By (user no longer on site)
38 weeks ago

Enough to put the Rolf Harris painting in the garage. But not enough to bin it... yet...

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