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"What companies offer Harry Potter days? I want one!
*also not a zoomer but utterly miserable in my job. "Some companies have mental health days. Harry potter can repair poor mental health! | |||
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"I just read that these 20-30 yr olds are now the most miserable with their jobs and most see it as just a job , not a vocation / having an impact etc. Yet whenever I visit these zoomer companies they all have PlayStations, Harry Potter days and free pizza & cookies? Is this just fake news on LinkedIn ? " Probably because they have to put their phone down for 8 hours. The mr | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21." Given a choice between starting work now or starting work 30 years ago (which I did) then I would choose now every time. The opportunities open to you now, if you want to take them, are much greater. When I was your age it was very rare to start your own company and the things you could do were very limited because access to capital or computers was not easy. Today everything is much more accessible simply because of the internet. Today it is not unreasonable to have an idea that could have a huge impact and you would actually have a decent chance of pulling it off. 30 years ago that was just a pipe dream. | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21." I agree with you regarding the price of houses and car insurance. Two holidays a year, a house, 2 cars were very unobtainable g ft or a very high percentage of 21 year olds. First of all there was no such thing as minimum wage, so as a donut seller you would have got even less. Holidays were expensive as were cars. Most 21 year olds had old bangers that were kept going with regular trips to the scrap yard. PCP finance didn’t exist. There was very little access to finance full stop. If you were clever enough, university was free. If you were from a poor background, you would even get a grant to help with book costs and living. Houses cost approx. 3 times the average salary. They were affordable. Mortgages on the other hand were not cheap. People complaining about a mortgage rate of 5% is nothing compared to the 12% around 1988. Thing is, we still hated our shit jobs back then, but we just got on with it as the alternative was dole. | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal? "Is there such a thing as a “ normal” opinion? | |||
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all? "God no! That would be way too depressing | |||
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all?
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all?
God no!
That would be way too depressing
Whereas you're sunshine and roses "Fortunately for me, yes, and if the sun isn’t shining and the roses aren’t smelling of, well roses, I don’t bore the bejesus out of others about it.  | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Is there such a thing as a “ normal” opinion?"Why is hating young people so popular on this website? It’s giving jealous. Not even joking. | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Is there such a thing as a “ normal” opinion?
Why is hating young people so popular on this website? It’s giving jealous. Not even joking. "It's each generation's job to hate all other generations. | |||
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all?
God no!
That would be way too depressing
Whereas you're sunshine and roses
Fortunately for me, yes, and if the sun isn’t shining and the roses aren’t smelling of, well roses, I don’t bore the bejesus out of others about it. "Yes you do | |||
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all?
God no!
That would be way too depressing
Whereas you're sunshine and roses
Fortunately for me, yes, and if the sun isn’t shining and the roses aren’t smelling of, well roses, I don’t bore the bejesus out of others about it.
Yes you do"Lighten up sweetheart, your day will go so much better | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal? "Everyone (large generalisation I know) hates on the generations that come after them so, yes. It's the circle, the circle of liiiiiiife | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Everyone (large generalisation I know) hates on the generations that come after them so, yes.
It's the circle, the circle of liiiiiiife"Do people really _hate_ generations? In my experience they tend to find them funny - the things that other generations think are vitally important seem trivial to them and vice versa. | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Everyone (large generalisation I know) hates on the generations that come after them so, yes.
It's the circle, the circle of liiiiiiife
Do people really _hate_ generations? In my experience they tend to find them funny - the things that other generations think are vitally important seem trivial to them and vice versa."I don't see how one can hate an entire generation or even make comments that would apply to millions. It's bonkers. | |||
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"There are about 12 million zoomers. Has anyone met them all?
God no!
That would be way too depressing
Whereas you're sunshine and roses
Fortunately for me, yes, and if the sun isn’t shining and the roses aren’t smelling of, well roses, I don’t bore the bejesus out of others about it.
Yes you do
Lighten up sweetheart, your day will go so much better ""It wouldn’t matter what job they had or how much pay they had, they’d still be miserable, it’s just how they are. Infact, I think the only thing that makes them happy is being miserable." Sure, I will lighten up. | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Everyone (large generalisation I know) hates on the generations that come after them so, yes.
It's the circle, the circle of liiiiiiife
Do people really _hate_ generations? In my experience they tend to find them funny - the things that other generations think are vitally important seem trivial to them and vice versa."My experience is '(insert generation here) are lazy, work shy and want everything provided for them unlike my generation' | |||
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"I wonder if these opinions about this generation are normal?
Everyone (large generalisation I know) hates on the generations that come after them so, yes.
It's the circle, the circle of liiiiiiife
Do people really _hate_ generations? In my experience they tend to find them funny - the things that other generations think are vitally important seem trivial to them and vice versa.
I don't see how one can hate an entire generation or even make comments that would apply to millions. It's bonkers. "And yet | |||
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"I just read that these 20-30 yr olds are now the most miserable with their jobs and most see it as just a job , not a vocation / having an impact etc. Yet whenever I visit these zoomer companies they all have PlayStations, Harry Potter days and free pizza & cookies? Is this just fake news on LinkedIn ? " A generation with no prospect of buying a house and the highest tax burden since WW2 but yay pizza. Have a word | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week." This and it’s infuriating. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. This and it’s infuriating. " Dont forget if you cancel your Netflix and stop eating Avocado on toast the world’s problems would just stop | |||
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"I just read that these 20-30 yr olds are now the most miserable with their jobs and most see it as just a job , not a vocation / having an impact etc. Yet whenever I visit these zoomer companies they all have PlayStations, Harry Potter days and free pizza & cookies? Is this just fake news on LinkedIn ? A generation with no prospect of buying a house and the highest tax burden since WW2 but yay pizza. Have a word " Although this is true, it is the generation who want and expect everything. They want the nicest clothes, nice cars and nice, fully furnished houses with brand new furniture throughout. The masters of finance. Not all, but so many are not prepared to start at the bottom and work there way up. I'm sure social media has a part to play on this and keeping up with the Joneses | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week." If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. | |||
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"I just read that these 20-30 yr olds are now the most miserable with their jobs and most see it as just a job , not a vocation / having an impact etc. Yet whenever I visit these zoomer companies they all have PlayStations, Harry Potter days and free pizza & cookies? Is this just fake news on LinkedIn ? A generation with no prospect of buying a house and the highest tax burden since WW2 but yay pizza. Have a word Although this is true, it is the generation who want and expect everything. They want the nicest clothes, nice cars and nice, fully furnished houses with brand new furniture throughout. The masters of finance. Not all, but so many are not prepared to start at the bottom and work there way up. I'm sure social media has a part to play on this and keeping up with the Joneses " There is an element of truth to that. But average house price in 2000 was £80,000 Average in 2024 is £260,000 Average wage in 2000 was £18,000 Average wage in 2024 is £35,000 So house prices have increased by 3.25 Wages have increased by 1.94 That’s a -41% change in wage vs house price. Add to that the level of inflation we have been experiencing it’s no wonder this generation are struggling. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week." To be honest the issues that have led to the first two very valid points is not the fault of those boomers who do make such suggestions, respect for anyone receiving such 'advice' how fucking annoying that might be.. Maybe it's easier for 'some' of all generations to point a finger at other generations for the bad stuff going on at that time .. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits." Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits." Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up  | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up "Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. " The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it." Ah yes cut out every single thing so i have absolutely no enjoyment in life. What a way to live. | |||
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"I am Gen X and I'm finding reading the BS on this thread difficult. So Gen Z people must be shouting at their phones! What bs? Ps, who are gen X and z?" The generalisations upon generalisations about a whole generation based on two irritating people on Instagram. I'm guessing. You're in a thread about gen z. Perhaps it's time to Google? | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Ah yes cut out every single thing so i have absolutely no enjoyment in life. What a way to live. " A lot of people aren’t afforded that luxury of choice that you suggest. A lot have nothing full stop! | |||
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"I am Gen X and I'm finding reading the BS on this thread difficult. So Gen Z people must be shouting at their phones! What bs? Ps, who are gen X and z? The generalisations upon generalisations about a whole generation based on two irritating people on Instagram. I'm guessing. You're in a thread about gen z. Perhaps it's time to Google?" I did Ty, I know what 'category' someone has deemed to put us in just not au fait with the others.. | |||
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"I am Gen X and I'm finding reading the BS on this thread difficult. So Gen Z people must be shouting at their phones! " Nah no point being angry. Like I said, it’s giving jealousy. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it." Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. This and it’s infuriating. Dont forget if you cancel your Netflix and stop eating Avocado on toast the world’s problems would just stop " | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand!" People read it as putting down their hard work to think that other people have it harder. And don't like to face the fact that they were given a ladder to climb then set it on fire for future generations. Which is a bit puerile. But it is what it is. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand!" My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on" * this advice excludes London
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on" I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! People read it as putting down their hard work to think that other people have it harder. And don't like to face the fact that they were given a ladder to climb then set it on fire for future generations. Which is a bit puerile. But it is what it is." The highest mortgage payments my parents ever had were £145 a month, that was for a 6 bedroom house in a leafy village. They paid it off and have been mortgage free ever since after making over a 1000% profit. They are shocked at how much we have to pay for a small two bedroom property. They worked hard to get to the position they are in but they understand that had they worked 10 times harder they’d still struggle to afford a decent sized home these days. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! People read it as putting down their hard work to think that other people have it harder. And don't like to face the fact that they were given a ladder to climb then set it on fire for future generations. Which is a bit puerile. But it is what it is. The highest mortgage payments my parents ever had were £145 a month, that was for a 6 bedroom house in a leafy village. They paid it off and have been mortgage free ever since after making over a 1000% profit. They are shocked at how much we have to pay for a small two bedroom property. They worked hard to get to the position they are in but they understand that had they worked 10 times harder they’d still struggle to afford a decent sized home these days. " My parents get it too, and don't do any of this generation bashing. And I won't deny my parents worked hard - but their struggles were different, and fair pay for fair work, compared to the cost of major necessities, wasn't a problem they had. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much." My advice to you is make sure you're in the will  | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. My advice to you is make sure you're in the will "Many Australians who are younger than gen X have been saying for awhile, the only way they'll get onto the (Australian) property ladder is when the boomers die. My parents have upgraded houses a few times since then - the average house in that city now tops a million, and I'll leave the rest to your imagination. The UK housing market isn't that bad. Yet. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. My advice to you is make sure you're in the will
Many Australians who are younger than gen X have been saying for awhile, the only way they'll get onto the (Australian) property ladder is when the boomers die.
My parents have upgraded houses a few times since then - the average house in that city now tops a million, and I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
The UK housing market isn't that bad. Yet."It's those blinking FIFO workers killing it for everyone | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. My advice to you is make sure you're in the will
Many Australians who are younger than gen X have been saying for awhile, the only way they'll get onto the (Australian) property ladder is when the boomers die.
My parents have upgraded houses a few times since then - the average house in that city now tops a million, and I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
The UK housing market isn't that bad. Yet.
It's those blinking FIFO workers killing it for everyone "Maybe on the west coast. I'm on the east coast and it's worse there. I'll spare you the talk about the Howard/Costello era and the changes that caused Australia to be the second least affordable property market in the world, and just tell you that my place in a nice part of Manchester would probably not even be worth a house share in most metropolitan parts of Australia. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. My advice to you is make sure you're in the will
Many Australians who are younger than gen X have been saying for awhile, the only way they'll get onto the (Australian) property ladder is when the boomers die.
My parents have upgraded houses a few times since then - the average house in that city now tops a million, and I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
The UK housing market isn't that bad. Yet.
It's those blinking FIFO workers killing it for everyone
Maybe on the west coast. I'm on the east coast and it's worse there.
I'll spare you the talk about the Howard/Costello era and the changes that caused Australia to be the second least affordable property market in the world, and just tell you that my place in a nice part of Manchester would probably not even be worth a house share in most metropolitan parts of Australia."It has gone crazy over there | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Average deposit is 10%. Average house price £260,000. So you’d need £26,000 deposit (plus fees etc) which takes that to nearer £30,000 £30,000 divided by £720 = 42 years. Coffee is not the problem. The coffee is an analogy of how easy it is to overspend. Apply that formula to the rest of their finances and it won’t make them any worse off will it. Average wage is £35,000 (before tax) even if you manage to save 10% of that which is wildly optimistic it’s still going to take 10 years to build a deposit. No wonder there is misery. House prices in comparison to wages are 40% more expensive than they were in 2000. You had 40% more cushion for luxuries and to save. How is that so difficult to understand! My only advice for those slightly younger than me would be stop looking for average. It's took families years to build up to what we call average. Start at the bottom. Buy the shittest house in the cheapest areas. Whether that's shared ownership. Renovate slowly with the little money you have and move on I don't know what the average was when my parents bought their second home in 1985, but it was in a nice area with lots of links and work opportunities which is now well, well above average. It cost $64 000. A small house in a dangerous shitty area a long way from any desirable work or public transport in the same city now costs about $900 000. Wages haven't gone up *that* much. My advice to you is make sure you're in the will
Many Australians who are younger than gen X have been saying for awhile, the only way they'll get onto the (Australian) property ladder is when the boomers die.
My parents have upgraded houses a few times since then - the average house in that city now tops a million, and I'll leave the rest to your imagination.
The UK housing market isn't that bad. Yet.
It's those blinking FIFO workers killing it for everyone
Maybe on the west coast. I'm on the east coast and it's worse there.
I'll spare you the talk about the Howard/Costello era and the changes that caused Australia to be the second least affordable property market in the world, and just tell you that my place in a nice part of Manchester would probably not even be worth a house share in most metropolitan parts of Australia.
It has gone crazy over there"And yet the conversations are the same. If you stop your coffees and brunches, you'll save up a deposit in no time! (similarly, decades or more) Yes, I'm in the will  | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. " Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. | |||
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"Genuine question: to people in this generation that feel life is unfair and who want to give up/do something else - what are you going to do because everyone needs to live? Also what are you going to do about the generation that is coming up rapidly behind you? My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. " I love the fighting talk from your kids generation | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons." They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons." How are the next generation going to overcome a less steady job market, a housing crisis which is even worse, as well as competition from automation? | |||
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"Genuine question: to people in this generation that feel life is unfair and who want to give up/do something else - what are you going to do because everyone needs to live? Also what are you going to do about the generation that is coming up rapidly behind you? My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. I love the fighting talk from your kids generation "My sons harshest quote to one of his elder cousins: You can only be the future for so long. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this " Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn." Honestly!! Im paying £27k for a degree that i know in 5 years will mean nothing. Older generations constantly saying we have no idea and just work hard well thanks as if i didnt already think of that. Jobs are not like they used to be. More to the point will i get a pension. | |||
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My sons harshest quote to one of his elder cousins: You can only be the future for so long. " love it. Did his cousin respond via a TickTock dance? | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. Honestly!! Im paying £27k for a degree that i know in 5 years will mean nothing. Older generations constantly saying we have no idea and just work hard well thanks as if i didnt already think of that. Jobs are not like they used to be. More to the point will i get a pension. " As the climate continues to deteriorate, I'm pretty sure the most sensible pension plan for me is a bullet. Yes yes, I should pull myself up by my bootstraps blah blah, which I'm sure will be entirely relevant when farming land deteriorates to almost nothing and billions starve. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn." The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves." If they don't believe in the dream, why the fuck would they bother to compete? The planet's going to be fucked by the time they're in their 40s and the only opportunities they have are to enrich billionaires? Fuck work. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves." Do you really think we were delusional? Everyone thinks they can change it but in reality not a chance | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves. Do you really think we were delusional? Everyone thinks they can change it but in reality not a chance " I didn’t say anyone was delusional - what I said was that my kids were not believing the dream. If the game is not working for you then you have to play it differently. You have to play it your way and they will play it theirs. My only observation is that you are going to have competition and if you think it is hard now then it is only going to get tougher. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves. Do you really think we were delusional? Everyone thinks they can change it but in reality not a chance " Yeah honestly. Some of my cohort even got jobs with reasonable prospects etc - because they graduated in 2006 (I did a longer undergraduate degree). They weren't delusional - even before all those opportunities fucked off (and a lot of them became unemployed) in 2008 and haven't returned. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves. Do you really think we were delusional? Everyone thinks they can change it but in reality not a chance I didn’t say anyone was delusional - what I said was that my kids were not believing the dream. If the game is not working for you then you have to play it differently. You have to play it your way and they will play it theirs. My only observation is that you are going to have competition and if you think it is hard now then it is only going to get tougher. " Christ almighty I'm nearly 40. I don't think gen Alpha are my fucking competition. I also never said I didn't work hard. Just that the system sucks, and sucks worse as you get younger. We've really handed the kids a raw deal. | |||
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"My kids and their friends look at the generation above them and see you as easy pickings. They are ambitious. They know that people don’t want to work and they sense an opportunity. Maybe gen Z were once ambitious until they realised the game was rigged against them. Whatever - but competition is on its way and the generation that is following has learnt its lessons. They say that now. We were like that and then life hits you. Everyone is sold a false dream. Its when you get into the “real world” that you realise this Preach. You do what you have to to survive. And all the people saying that you can outwork the lazy people doing a job you hate that means nothing - are just trying to rev you up to enrich them. You learn. The difference I see is that my kids generation don’t believe the “dream”. They are going in with their eyes open and I think they will play the game differently. Maybe it is just my kids and their friends that think this way but I don’t see any delusion from them about what life involves. Do you really think we were delusional? Everyone thinks they can change it but in reality not a chance I didn’t say anyone was delusional - what I said was that my kids were not believing the dream. If the game is not working for you then you have to play it differently. You have to play it your way and they will play it theirs. My only observation is that you are going to have competition and if you think it is hard now then it is only going to get tougher. " How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21." Kind of agree with this. House prices are horrendous and I wish I’d bought one sooner as suggested by the free advice from colleagues when I started working. I instead chose to live the highlife on a weekend drinking and smoking it away. Immigration isn’t always a good thing and contributes to rising house costs. I have many non uk born friends who I do genuinely enjoy spending time with but I’d still put myself and family before them. Education is the answer though stick in at school and set yourself up for a better life, again free advice I ignored. I wonder if everyone who isn’t happy actually does anything about it by voting or trying to better themselves or are we resigned to just standing with our hands out waiting for it to be given to us? | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21. Kind of agree with this. House prices are horrendous and I wish I’d bought one sooner as suggested by the free advice from colleagues when I started working. I instead chose to live the highlife on a weekend drinking and smoking it away. Immigration isn’t always a good thing and contributes to rising house costs. I have many non uk born friends who I do genuinely enjoy spending time with but I’d still put myself and family before them. Education is the answer though stick in at school and set yourself up for a better life, again free advice I ignored. I wonder if everyone who isn’t happy actually does anything about it by voting or trying to better themselves or are we resigned to just standing with our hands out waiting for it to be given to us?" I think it's a common myth that people who are unhappy don't do anything to try to change it. True of some, I'm sure. Some of us also have empathy for those coming afterwards, even if we have no skin in the game (I have no children, nephews, or nieces). | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21. Kind of agree with this. House prices are horrendous and I wish I’d bought one sooner as suggested by the free advice from colleagues when I started working. I instead chose to live the highlife on a weekend drinking and smoking it away. Immigration isn’t always a good thing and contributes to rising house costs. I have many non uk born friends who I do genuinely enjoy spending time with but I’d still put myself and family before them. Education is the answer though stick in at school and set yourself up for a better life, again free advice I ignored. I wonder if everyone who isn’t happy actually does anything about it by voting or trying to better themselves or are we resigned to just standing with our hands out waiting for it to be given to us?" The U.K public by and large is very servile. We accept shit from our leaders and we thank them for it afterwards. Many also tend to try to blame others for our own failings, rather than looking at the root cause. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years. "I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house. However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure. I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. " The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. | |||
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"As a "zoomer", I'll throw my piece into why I'm so fucking miserable with work. The main reason is because, well, I get nothing apart from being able to...well...fucking eat. I just simply don't care about companies because they don't care about me. When my dad was young, he worked one job and bought his first house at 18 for £7,000. It was a nice house. He got married and had a kid that year too. These days, a decent house is between 120,000-240,000. Prices for everything are up. My insurance is £4,000 per year on a fucking kia picanto (No I havn't committed crimes or had insurance voided). The other point is that, well, why would I be happy? What life changing/humanity changing impact will I have on the world when all I do is sell donuts or scan someone through a door? Why would I be happy with lining the pockets of some hyper rich guy who will give me the bare legal minimum in return? How is this more than just a job? This isn't like the 80s where I can just work at a donut store and have a 2 story house, 2 cars, 2 kids, a wife, 2 holidays abroad per year, free university and a great work life balance by the age of 21. Kind of agree with this. House prices are horrendous and I wish I’d bought one sooner as suggested by the free advice from colleagues when I started working. I instead chose to live the highlife on a weekend drinking and smoking it away. Immigration isn’t always a good thing and contributes to rising house costs. I have many non uk born friends who I do genuinely enjoy spending time with but I’d still put myself and family before them. Education is the answer though stick in at school and set yourself up for a better life, again free advice I ignored. I wonder if everyone who isn’t happy actually does anything about it by voting or trying to better themselves or are we resigned to just standing with our hands out waiting for it to be given to us? The U.K public by and large is very servile. We accept shit from our leaders and we thank them for it afterwards. Many also tend to try to blame others for our own failings, rather than looking at the root cause." Just world fallacy is a hell of a drug. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. " What percentage of startups fail? | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years.
I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house.
However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure.
I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever."But the thing is, giving up basically any nice thing for two decades is unbearable. I remember once being told that the reason I’d not bought a house until I was 37 is because I occasionally liked getting a coffee out or going out to dinner. How about… it’s because my student loans cost me a fortune every month (my Dads generation got grants, not loans), and because I work in an industry where I literally had to fight to get paid more than £1 over minimum wage to be in charge of a large flagship leisure centre. I also have no pension other the government mandated minimum (and I missed out for ten years besause I was at uni), but that’s not unusual for people I know my age - we all just assume we’re going to die working rather than retiring. House deposits are massive these days, and you can’t get good rates unless you get down past 75/80 LTV. My first house is worth six times my salary, and that’s buying a crappy ex council house that needed loads of work doing to it. It’s almost impossible to exist as a single person in our society. Yet people just say to me “well if you didn’t have a £2.10 cup of coffee twice a week or go out for beers once a month then you’d be fine.” Like, sure. But I’d also feel even more miserable if I didn’t treat myself every now and again. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? " Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you?" My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority " Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years.
I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house.
However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure.
I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever.
But the thing is, giving up basically any nice thing for two decades is unbearable. I remember once being told that the reason I’d not bought a house until I was 37 is because I occasionally liked getting a coffee out or going out to dinner.
How about… it’s because my student loans cost me a fortune every month (my Dads generation got grants, not loans), and because I work in an industry where I literally had to fight to get paid more than £1 over minimum wage to be in charge of a large flagship leisure centre.
I also have no pension other the government mandated minimum (and I missed out for ten years besause I was at uni), but that’s not unusual for people I know my age - we all just assume we’re going to die working rather than retiring.
House deposits are massive these days, and you can’t get good rates unless you get down past 75/80 LTV. My first house is worth six times my salary, and that’s buying a crappy ex council house that needed loads of work doing to it.
It’s almost impossible to exist as a single person in our society. Yet people just say to me “well if you didn’t have a £2.10 cup of coffee twice a week or go out for beers once a month then you’d be fine.”
Like, sure. But I’d also feel even more miserable if I didn’t treat myself every now and again."I didn't say people should give up things if they don't want to, I was saying that even many moons ago that we had to give up things to get what we wanted, it took years for us too. I suppose it depends on what people want the most or if there is anything to give up anyway. Lots of people can't afford the treats at the moment. We needed somewhere to live, that was our way to get it. I did also say, whatever we gave up years ago it was quicker and easier for us to get that mortgage than it is for youngsters now. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. " Any minute now, you're going to plug your seminar
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. Any minute now, you're going to plug your seminar
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"Oh, and if you can even get a mortgage it’ll probably go past your retirement age. Mine does - I had to sign a special document to say I wouldn’t stop working at the state retirement age because of my mortgage." This has to be the killer at the moment, a huge mortgage if you can get it, then spend the rest of your life paying for it unless you can overpay | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years.
I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house.
However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure.
I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever."This was my point aswell. I agree that youngsters end up staying at home to save on rent. That’s the time to be scrimping for a mortgage deposit, if you enter the rental market you’ll have no chance. Plus, the parent will probably give you a house deposit just for some peace n quiet! | |||
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years.
I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house.
However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure.
I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever.
This was my point aswell.
I agree that youngsters end up staying at home to save on rent.
That’s the time to be scrimping for a mortgage deposit, if you enter the rental market you’ll have no chance.
Plus, the parent will probably give you a house deposit just for some peace n quiet!
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"Not only do younger generations have to put up with the very real likelihood of never owning a home due to excessive rents meaning it’s all but impossible to save a deposit (whilst simultaneously being told by mortgage companies that they won’t be eligible for a mortgage that costs less than they pay in rent), but they also get to listen to Boomers telling them that they’d be able to afford a deposit if they stopped buying a £3.50 coffee five times a week. If I was trying to save money for a house deposit, or anything else for that matter, I would buy a £5 jar of coffee that would last a fortnight rather than £35 worth from Starbucks. Then I’d have saved £720 per year in coffee alone. Of course the young folk don’t like boomer advice……cos we’re old sad gits. Let’s say a house deposit is what 25k these days? £3.50 saved every day on coffee. That’s just a hair under 20 years to get the deposit saved up
Yep we just made this point. It’s closer to 40 years.
I think the point being made is, if you want a mortgage you have to give up other things or change how you get them. It is no different to me and the OH giving up going out more than once a week in the 80's so we could save up for a desposit for a house.
However what I would say is, going by the amount of money needed for a desposit now and wages needed for a decent mortgage now, even though it was hard for us at the time , you all have it worse than we did that's for sure.
I am not surprised people are peed off at work, some must just be existing or having to live with parents forever.
This was my point aswell.
I agree that youngsters end up staying at home to save on rent.
That’s the time to be scrimping for a mortgage deposit, if you enter the rental market you’ll have no chance.
Plus, the parent will probably give you a house deposit just for some peace n quiet!
Not everyone gets the option to live with parents. Imagine having no independence until you’re 30. That is not an ok solution!"Agree, it’s definitely not a solution. But staying with parents is definitely on the rise. I think one thing 20 somethings need is their independence. I know I did, and was lucky to have it! | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. " But you never said how - you said about starting a business, not not everybody is going to succeed (in fact it’ll be a vanishingly small number). So how do they play the game differently? It’s bollocks, isn’t it? Let’s be honest, here. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. But you never said how - you said about starting a business, not not everybody is going to succeed (in fact it’ll be a vanishingly small number). So how do they play the game differently? It’s bollocks, isn’t it? Let’s be honest, here. " I guess you are right. Let’s double down on a job market that is failing and carry on feeding the greed of the oppressive corporate overlords
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. But you never said how - you said about starting a business, not not everybody is going to succeed (in fact it’ll be a vanishingly small number). So how do they play the game differently? It’s bollocks, isn’t it? Let’s be honest, here. I guess you are right. Let’s double down on a job market that is failing and carry on feeding the greed of the oppressive corporate overlords
Let’s not ponder who created those companies in the first place or contemplate whether we might want to own our own destiny or how we might run things differently from the rapacious bastards we currently all serve."I’m not sure he’s saying that people shouldn’t start their own businesses, more that it’s not a solution to the situation we’re in. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. But you never said how - you said about starting a business, not not everybody is going to succeed (in fact it’ll be a vanishingly small number). So how do they play the game differently? It’s bollocks, isn’t it? Let’s be honest, here. I guess you are right. Let’s double down on a job market that is failing and carry on feeding the greed of the oppressive corporate overlords
Let’s not ponder who created those companies in the first place or contemplate whether we might want to own our own destiny or how we might run things differently from the rapacious bastards we currently all serve."*sigh* You’re absolutely right. Everyone is gonna start their own business and be a massive success. It’s a new way of thinking. Revolutionary. | |||
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" How are they going to play it differently? That’s just a phrase. Are they going to work longer hours? More jobs? Take less holiday? The capitalist system thanks them for their service. The thing about the capitalist system is that you can work for it or you can make it work for you. I am guessing you are looking at the world through the former lens. Thats not the lens my kids are using. This is the best time in history to set up a company - it’s also the only way the system will (potentially) reward you. It is telling that no one on this thread has talked about setting up a company apart from me. What percentage of startups fail? Most of them. I have ploughed through loads of failed startups. But you only need one to work. How many jobs fail to deliver? _All_ of them apparently. How is that going to work out for you? My career is going great, but I’m not of the generations we’re discussing here. I’m just not naive though to think that hard work is enough to overcome a system that’s rigged against the majority Which is why I never said work hard. I said play the game differently. But you never said how - you said about starting a business, not not everybody is going to succeed (in fact it’ll be a vanishingly small number). So how do they play the game differently? It’s bollocks, isn’t it? Let’s be honest, here. I guess you are right. Let’s double down on a job market that is failing and carry on feeding the greed of the oppressive corporate overlords
Let’s not ponder who created those companies in the first place or contemplate whether we might want to own our own destiny or how we might run things differently from the rapacious bastards we currently all serve.
*sigh*
You’re absolutely right. Everyone is gonna start their own business and be a massive success. It’s a new way of thinking. Revolutionary. "The American dream | |||
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"In my late 20's I was taking home £1000 a week, I worked six double shifts a week. The work was hard as a baggage handler, but it gave me a good work out, and decent wages. Fast forward to now, I am on slightly less money, but it is office based and more technical than chucking bags for 9 hours a day." We’re the sane age - when I was 18 I made £109 per boat hull and did 7 a week , 1 a day 7 days a week 5-6 hours a day in the pub by 1-2pm…. so earned a bit less than you, and the value of my monthly wage in todays money is around £12,000 a month. I bought property started a family and had a brand new Capri 3.0 Ghia at 21 It was alright wasn’t it…but I chose a skill at 15 and worked hard to be the best. It’s no different now, they just start at 22 after doing a masters in Taylor swift and play on their phones all day. | |||
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"In my late 20's I was taking home £1000 a week, I worked six double shifts a week. The work was hard as a baggage handler, but it gave me a good work out, and decent wages. Fast forward to now, I am on slightly less money, but it is office based and more technical than chucking bags for 9 hours a day. We’re the sane age - when I was 18 I made £109 per boat hull and did 7 a week , 1 a day 7 days a week 5-6 hours a day in the pub by 1-2pm…. so earned a bit less than you, and the value of my monthly wage in todays money is around £12,000 a month. I bought property started a family and had a brand new Capri 3.0 Ghia at 21 It was alright wasn’t it…but I chose a skill at 15 and worked hard to be the best. It’s no different now, they just start at 22 after doing a masters in Taylor swift and play on their phones all day. " Oh ffs. Why're you dissing people same age as your kids? | |||
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"I think everyone is really over-analysing this. In reality, how many people can say they're truly happy with where they work and feel fulfilled after every working day? Work is a means to an end. You work, you get paid, you can do what you actually want with your time off. And I'm pretty sure that spans multiple generations." I feel for those who only view their work as a means to an end. I have been fortunate to be doing as a job what a lot of people do in their free time. I’ve been doing it for over 40 years, as I started doing it weekends and holidays long before I left school. I seldom take time off because there are few things I would rather be doing. | |||
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"I think everyone is really over-analysing this. In reality, how many people can say they're truly happy with where they work and feel fulfilled after every working day? Work is a means to an end. You work, you get paid, you can do what you actually want with your time off. And I'm pretty sure that spans multiple generations. I feel for those who only view their work as a means to an end. I have been fortunate to be doing as a job what a lot of people do in their free time. I’ve been doing it for over 40 years, as I started doing it weekends and holidays long before I left school. I seldom take time off because there are few things I would rather be doing. " And that's genuinely amazing that you get to do that but unfortunately, you're probably the exception rather than the rule. | |||
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"I think everyone is really over-analysing this. In reality, how many people can say they're truly happy with where they work and feel fulfilled after every working day? Work is a means to an end. You work, you get paid, you can do what you actually want with your time off. And I'm pretty sure that spans multiple generations. I feel for those who only view their work as a means to an end. I have been fortunate to be doing as a job what a lot of people do in their free time. I’ve been doing it for over 40 years, as I started doing it weekends and holidays long before I left school. I seldom take time off because there are few things I would rather be doing. " Wait, you get paid to wank?  | |||
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"I think everyone is really over-analysing this. In reality, how many people can say they're truly happy with where they work and feel fulfilled after every working day? Work is a means to an end. You work, you get paid, you can do what you actually want with your time off. And I'm pretty sure that spans multiple generations. I feel for those who only view their work as a means to an end. I have been fortunate to be doing as a job what a lot of people do in their free time. I’ve been doing it for over 40 years, as I started doing it weekends and holidays long before I left school. I seldom take time off because there are few things I would rather be doing. " But even when you find a job you absolutely adore - which I am lucky enough to have - things can still be challenging with low wages and difficult management. The only way I can currently move companies and continue doing the job I do now, is by moving to a different country. | |||
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"I think everyone is really over-analysing this. In reality, how many people can say they're truly happy with where they work and feel fulfilled after every working day? Work is a means to an end. You work, you get paid, you can do what you actually want with your time off. And I'm pretty sure that spans multiple generations. I feel for those who only view their work as a means to an end. I have been fortunate to be doing as a job what a lot of people do in their free time. I’ve been doing it for over 40 years, as I started doing it weekends and holidays long before I left school. I seldom take time off because there are few things I would rather be doing. But even when you find a job you absolutely adore - which I am lucky enough to have - things can still be challenging with low wages and difficult management. The only way I can currently move companies and continue doing the job I do now, is by moving to a different country." I cheat, I am my boss.
The earnings aren’t what a lot of people would accept for the input but I’m not particularly into foreign holidays, my vehicle was second hand and is now 20 years old and I’m not considering changing it any time yet, these things don’t bother me.
Also I have got nearly 20 years on you so we are in a different place on the journey, I’m not pushing, I’m happy chugging along, I realise I am fortunate but it’s not luck, it’s by design. | |||
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