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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. If I'm getting on a train that for example goes through Piccadilly Circus then to call it the Piccadilly line makes sense, circle line self explanatory, central line same. Why then suddenly have names like The lioness line, suffragette line,windrush line???? Why bring politics into the naming of a tube/railway line. Look honestly it really makes no difference as long as the bloody trains run on time,but the issue I have is that it sets a precedent for other things to be used for certain political reasons. By all means celebrate them museums, statues and the like ,even bank holidays but what next?? It's a railway line going from one place to another not a political statement. So I'll sit back and wait for the abuse and name calling claiming I read this newspaper or watch that TV channel. I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse this is just an opinion it's not a dig at the places or people who the lines are named after just the reasons for it, do the people who make these decisions really want them to be called that or is it just point scoring? Go"  | |||
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"You lost me at woke…" Ditto. The umbrage at these changes just seems like “snowflake” behaviour. Names get changed from time to time, don’t let it worry you. The use of the word woke seems to have a big correlation to GB watching boomers  there are a few buzz words for you get in a twist over. | |||
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""Couldn't give a rats arse" but still whinging about it? How's that work?" OP said it's an opinion.Opinion is not whingeing. | |||
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"I think they've overcomplicated it. The map looks an utter mess. Orange was synonymous for the London Overground and it was easy to discern and to interpret. The new names are a pointless incongruity solving a problem that didn't even exist." Is it any more complicated than the underground? And does it not (genuinely asking) make it easy for people to familiarise themselves with which overground lives to take where? Some people might not understand that the overground that runs to Cheshunt isn’t the same as the one that runs to Brockley. The orange line was actually way more complicated and wasn’t exactly friendly for people unfamiliar with London’s transport system. | |||
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""Couldn't give a rats arse" but still whinging about it? How's that work? OP said it's an opinion.Opinion is not whingeing." No but he is whinging though. | |||
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""Couldn't give a rats arse" but still whinging about it? How's that work? OP said it's an opinion.Opinion is not whingeing." You can have a whingeing opinion. The two are not mutually exclusive. | |||
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""Couldn't give a rats arse" but still whinging about it? How's that work? OP said it's an opinion.Opinion is not whingeing. No but he is whinging though. " entitled to. But it is that | |||
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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. If I'm getting on a train that for example goes through Piccadilly Circus then to call it the Piccadilly line makes sense, circle line self explanatory, central line same. Why then suddenly have names like The lioness line, suffragette line,windrush line???? Why bring politics into the naming of a tube/railway line. Look honestly it really makes no difference as long as the bloody trains run on time,but the issue I have is that it sets a precedent for other things to be used for certain political reasons. By all means celebrate them museums, statues and the like ,even bank holidays but what next?? It's a railway line going from one place to another not a political statement. So I'll sit back and wait for the abuse and name calling claiming I read this newspaper or watch that TV channel. I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse this is just an opinion it's not a dig at the places or people who the lines are named after just the reasons for it, do the people who make these decisions really want them to be called that or is it just point scoring? Go" Point scoring. No. Honouring people is my view. I would like to see a few more honoured named lines | |||
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"I think they've overcomplicated it. The map looks an utter mess. Orange was synonymous for the London Overground and it was easy to discern and to interpret. The new names are a pointless incongruity solving a problem that didn't even exist." But I agree with this too! The "overground" was fine by me! | |||
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" I don't think it's a "woke" outrage. Not everything needs to be named after a member of the Royal Family! "You take that back!!!!!!!(1123’ydssjkgsfhjn | |||
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"They have to name the lines after something - I thought the reasoning was pretty sound when I read it. For example, the Weaver Line so named as it goes through areas of London known for their importance in the textile trade. The Mildmay Line named after a hospital etc. I don't think it's a "woke" outrage. Not everything needs to be named after a member of the Royal Family! "• I agree, I like the somewhat 'neutral' but notable names attributed to them. However I would find it not-so-appealing if they called it The Punjabi Line or Sikh Transit etc. 
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"Why did they need to change the names? Why now? How much did it cost? Could the money have been more wisely spent in this particular economic climate? Evie " They're not changing any names. Just naming bits of the overground. Who gives a shit?  | |||
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"Why did they need to change the names? Why now? How much did it cost? Could the money have been more wisely spent in this particular economic climate? Evie They're not changing any names. Just naming bits of the overground. Who gives a shit? "Oh so new names for previously unnamed bits? But with new colours of lines meaning a total rebranding of all the maps and apps and things? Evie | |||
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. " I wonder if this is the issue. When ‘new’ is implemented and doesn’t represent the ‘old’ in the same way there is a feeling of being done onto. If they were called the Richard, Beatles, Hoy, William, Moore, Stokes, Charles, Hurst, Botham, Gascoigne or Vaughn Line would it be such an issue? | |||
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"Some people might not understand that the overground that runs to Cheshunt isn’t the same as the one that runs to Brockley. The orange line was actually way more complicated and wasn’t exactly friendly for people unfamiliar with London’s transport system. " Above everything this was the most important part! Had the very issue when I had to use it. It had to be done so the money isn't a waste at all. The bigger issue it highlights is the same old demographic complaining about it and how dare they recognise others, be it women or migrants or anything else that is not them! Suck it up and stop been a massive snowflake over a few names. | |||
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"Oh so new names for previously unnamed bits? But with new colours of lines meaning a total rebranding of all the maps and apps and things?" Rebranding of the maps and apps and things happens every few years, this is nothing new. Some call it progress, others call it wokism. | |||
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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. Go" Is the overwoke like the underground but you only use it when you suffer from insomnia? I've no idea what woke is supposed to mean, how does it get to be over woke? | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too?" No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one." How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? | |||
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. I wonder if this is the issue. When ‘new’ is implemented and doesn’t represent the ‘old’ in the same way there is a feeling of being done onto. If they were called the Richard, Beatles, Hoy, William, Moore, Stokes, Charles, Hurst, Botham, Gascoigne or Vaughn Line would it be such an issue?" If they were called Vaughn, the OP would likely have LOVED it.  | |||
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. I wonder if this is the issue. When ‘new’ is implemented and doesn’t represent the ‘old’ in the same way there is a feeling of being done onto. If they were called the Richard, Beatles, Hoy, William, Moore, Stokes, Charles, Hurst, Botham, Gascoigne or Vaughn Line would it be such an issue?" To be fair, the Nottingham trams are named after famous people from the area and I would skip the Stuart Broad one on principle! | |||
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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. If I'm getting on a train that for example goes through Piccadilly Circus then to call it the Piccadilly line makes sense, circle line self explanatory, central line same. Why then suddenly have names like The lioness line, suffragette line,windrush line???? Why bring politics into the naming of a tube/railway line. Look honestly it really makes no difference as long as the bloody trains run on time,but the issue I have is that it sets a precedent for other things to be used for certain political reasons. By all means celebrate them museums, statues and the like ,even bank holidays but what next?? It's a railway line going from one place to another not a political statement. So I'll sit back and wait for the abuse and name calling claiming I read this newspaper or watch that TV channel. I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse this is just an opinion it's not a dig at the places or people who the lines are named after just the reasons for it, do the people who make these decisions really want them to be called that or is it just point scoring? Go" What are these ‘certain political reasons’? | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one." I disagree. The overground is confusing. All of the lines on the map are orange and they're just called the overground. They don't have individual names like the tube. The tube is simple because all the lines are named and have different colours. That makes it easy to navigate. When I worked in London I avoided the overground like the plague because I didn't really know how it worked or where it went. This makes it so much more welcoming and it will be easier to navigate. | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee?" And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North?" I’m shocked they haven’t rebranded it as part of ‘Network North’ to be honest. | |||
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"You lost me at woke…" Ditto.. | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? I’m shocked they haven’t rebranded it as part of ‘Network North’ to be honest." They could call it the Watford Gap line. | |||
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"How is this “overwoke” "And further more how far do we go with irrelevant phrases in the quest for cliche ratings or is that rantings.. Uber woke, mega woke, double whopper with extra cheese woke.. | |||
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"WOKE - A modern AFRICAN-AMERICAN colloquialism that goes back to the 70s. Co-opted by non-African Americans in the 21st century to describe everything that hate about all minorities
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. I wonder if this is the issue. When ‘new’ is implemented and doesn’t represent the ‘old’ in the same way there is a feeling of being done onto. If they were called the Richard, Beatles, Hoy, William, Moore, Stokes, Charles, Hurst, Botham, Gascoigne or Vaughn Line would it be such an issue? To be fair, the Nottingham trams are named after famous people from the area and I would skip the Stuart Broad one on principle!" The Gazza Line or the Posh and Becks Line would sell it to me | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? I’m shocked they haven’t rebranded it as part of ‘Network North’ to be honest. They could call it the Watford Gap line." Nah, not overwoke enough. | |||
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"How is this “overwoke”
And further more how far do we go with irrelevant phrases in the quest for cliche ratings or is that rantings..
Uber woke, mega woke, double whopper with extra cheese woke.."When some segments of the media hype everything up as being the end of society as we know it, we have to overhype things (it's also a problem with AI writing, people might have noticed - a tendency towards hyperbole). When this stuff fails to cause much if any disruption to anything meaningful, we need to add more and more qualifiers to maintain people's attention: Renaming Trainlines. The Creeping Threat Threatening Our Children and an Impending Sign of the Nuclear Apocalypse. Subscribe now and be among the Truly Genuinely Awake that will know how to stand up against this monstrous tyranny! | |||
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" I don't think it's a "woke" outrage. Not everything needs to be named after a member of the Royal Family!
You take that back!!!!!!!(1123’ydssjkgsfhjn"Ok. I've renamed it the Markle Line. | |||
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" I don't think it's a "woke" outrage. Not everything needs to be named after a member of the Royal Family!
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"Suffragette nonsense is particularly grating to be fair as it was only about 6 years after all men got the vote in the UK that all women got the vote." You are incorrect. 1832 - the Reform Act allows male land tenants to vote for the first time (previously only male land owners could vote). Some male building owners/tenants could also vote. 1867 - Second Reform Act passed, allowing some more male landowners and tenants to vote. 1884 - Third Reform Act passed, allowing most male householders over 21 to vote. 1918 - Representation of the People Act - All males over 21 were allowed to vote, as well as women over 30. 1928 - The vote was granted to women over 21. So it was actually 10 years after, not six. However, obviously many men already had the vote far in advance of that, whereas only a very small handful of female aristocratic landowners ever had been able to vote before. The Suffrage campaign had been ongoing since the mid 1860s by this point, because men could vote then and women couldn't. So yes, all women got the vote only ten years after all men got the vote, however men had already been voting for a decent amount of time before that - it was only the very poorest men, or men new to the country, who could not. | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out " Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. | |||
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. " That's exactly why this post is made, some people are just filled with hatred | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls." Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby"Your fragile masculinity is showing | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby"Maybe not but it shows your incredibly wrong about your inspiration point. But keeping trying to deflect all you want if it makes you feel better | |||
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" I don't think it's a "woke" outrage. Not everything needs to be named after a member of the Royal Family!
You take that back!!!!!!!(1123’ydssjkgsfhjn
Ok. I've renamed it the Markle Line."It's the Murkle Line Never gonna flex like Urkel, line Come to your ends and circle line All for the green and purple, line Repeat x3 | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
Maybe not but it shows your incredibly wrong about your inspiration point. But keeping trying to deflect all you want if it makes you feel better "There’s inspiration (little girls hobbies) and then theres...inspiration. You get me | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
Maybe not but it shows your incredibly wrong about your inspiration point. But keeping trying to deflect all you want if it makes you feel better
There’s inspiration (little girls hobbies) and then theres...inspiration. You get me"I get you, your still wrong. Those little girls may go on to be the next big name, she maybe the one to give all those other little girls confidence to go out and take on the world regardless, they give them the confidence to speak out and say what they want and enact change in a society that clearly (with comments like this) still needs more change. Change and inspiration comes from all manner of different things, not just the ones you think are worthy. | |||
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"I do find it interesting that the outrage here is because they named the lines after sports women, feminists and migrants. I wonder if this is the issue. When ‘new’ is implemented and doesn’t represent the ‘old’ in the same way there is a feeling of being done onto. If they were called the Richard, Beatles, Hoy, William, Moore, Stokes, Charles, Hurst, Botham, Gascoigne or Vaughn Line would it be such an issue?" Not an issue with who it's named after just really why? If they want to celebrate something then an overground train line is really underwhelming. As someone else said name it where it's going or been. Far easier for the people who have to use it rather than guessing based on a name that's nothing to do with the train. It's not the names of the lines it just seems to be point scoring rather than anything else. I've said my bit you all argue amongst yourselves for my reasons. Bye | |||
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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. If I'm getting on a train that for example goes through Piccadilly Circus then to call it the Piccadilly line makes sense, circle line self explanatory, central line same. Why then suddenly have names like The lioness line, suffragette line,windrush line???? Why bring politics into the naming of a tube/railway line. Look honestly it really makes no difference as long as the bloody trains run on time,but the issue I have is that it sets a precedent for other things to be used for certain political reasons. By all means celebrate them museums, statues and the like ,even bank holidays but what next?? It's a railway line going from one place to another not a political statement. So I'll sit back and wait for the abuse and name calling claiming I read this newspaper or watch that TV channel. I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse this is just an opinion it's not a dig at the places or people who the lines are named after just the reasons for it, do the people who make these decisions really want them to be called that or is it just point scoring? Go" I saw this today and rolled my eyes | |||
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"See they have revealed a number of new overground lines in London that really seem to pander to the over woke political agenda. If I'm getting on a train that for example goes through Piccadilly Circus then to call it the Piccadilly line makes sense, circle line self explanatory, central line same. Why then suddenly have names like The lioness line, suffragette line,windrush line???? Why bring politics into the naming of a tube/railway line. Look honestly it really makes no difference as long as the bloody trains run on time,but the issue I have is that it sets a precedent for other things to be used for certain political reasons. By all means celebrate them museums, statues and the like ,even bank holidays but what next?? It's a railway line going from one place to another not a political statement. So I'll sit back and wait for the abuse and name calling claiming I read this newspaper or watch that TV channel. I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse this is just an opinion it's not a dig at the places or people who the lines are named after just the reasons for it, do the people who make these decisions really want them to be called that or is it just point scoring? Go" Your argument breaks at Jubilee Line. It's a celebratiion of an occasion some don't care for. I am not a fan of renaming existing lines, because it is costly and confuses the people using the network. It is also lazy and performative. I'd rather see what suffragettes fought for being protected and enforced regardless of politics or religion. Lots to do in that space and renaming Overground is not going to help. I would dare the mayor of London to hold a women's right celebration party in Pankhurts Avenue in East London. See how that goes down with the locals. | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
Maybe not but it shows your incredibly wrong about your inspiration point. But keeping trying to deflect all you want if it makes you feel better
There’s inspiration (little girls hobbies) and then theres...inspiration. You get me
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
Maybe not but it shows your incredibly wrong about your inspiration point. But keeping trying to deflect all you want if it makes you feel better
There’s inspiration (little girls hobbies) and then theres...inspiration. You get me"So… girls don’t deserve the inspiration to keep their bodies and minds healthy? We see massive drop off of girls being involved in sport the moment they become teenagers. This happens again at 18. And again when they have children. Men and boys do not suffer this drop off at any age. This has lifelong repercussions for girls and women. It affects their health, which in turn costs the NHS vast amounts of money. If we can inspire some little girls to take up a lifelong physical hobby, then we have won. Forever. We are literally giving women in our country, across the board, better health, better life expectancy, better mental health, better futures. And you’re saying that’s not inspirational? What fucking planet are you on? | |||
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"Suffragette and Windrush is one thing, they are important to the fabric of the country. Lionesses though that’s kinda cringe tbh. Talking about a non league level sports team and not as Inspirational as people make out Not as inspirational? I am the chairman of a youth football club, quite a big one with a famous name at that too. Before 2022 we had a total of 4 girls across our 13 teams. Since 2022 we have had to set up an entire girls section, which now consists of 8 teams and over 100 girls in total. The district league has grown from 2 divisions per age category from anywhere between 5 and 8 now depending on age group. I won't even start on the record numbers joining things like the Wildcats schemes. That didn't happen because of the men's game, it happened because of the success of the Lionesses so I'm sorry your so very wrong to make that claim because its been a massive inspiration to hundreds and thousands of young girls. Congratulations it’s no where near on level comparable to wind rush and suffragettes. Your talking about girls taking up a new hobby
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Ha! My masculinity levels are just fine. There must be something more inspirational in the history of the U.K. than a non league level sports team? WW2 heroes or something idk"You can’t spit in this country without hitting a WW2 memorial, plaque, statue or something. As a nation we’re obsessed with it (it’s actually IMO part of the reason for this nation’s malaise - an obsession with the past and not enough focus on the future. | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? Ok, the Northern line makes sense because it runs North to South (and vice versa). The Central line is so called because it generally runs thru the middle of Central London. The Jubilee line is named because of Elizabeth's jubilee. They make sense and are non political. I dislike the new names (maybe except Windrush) as they represent a desperate publicity stunt by a mayor who is under scrutiny for dishonesty and failings in office. Plus that 6.3m could have been better spent. Nobody consulted us on this gimmick and nobody I know is impressed with this farcial waste of money." Northern line doesn’t make sense. It’s not as northern as some lines, and it goes further south. They could have called it the NorthSouth line if they wanted to be accurate, but Northern makes no sense for the modern line. The Jubilee line is hugely political. The choice to celebrate a Royalist and Nationalistic event by naming a tube line is more political than naming a line after a football team or a major moment in history. The Royal Family are extremely contentious politically. Most of the lines run though central London. This could have been called the Ongar line just as easily as the central line. Central line doesn’t make much sense when you’re going from Gants Hill to Ilford. | |||
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"WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WHITE MEN?!" There’s none left to think about, they all got killed in the war. | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? Ok, the Northern line makes sense because it runs North to South (and vice versa). The Central line is so called because it generally runs thru the middle of Central London. The Jubilee line is named because of Elizabeth's jubilee. They make sense and are non political. I dislike the new names (maybe except Windrush) as they represent a desperate publicity stunt by a mayor who is under scrutiny for dishonesty and failings in office. Plus that 6.3m could have been better spent. Nobody consulted us on this gimmick and nobody I know is impressed with this farcial waste of money. Northern line doesn’t make sense. It’s not as northern as some lines, and it goes further south. They could have called it the NorthSouth line if they wanted to be accurate, but Northern makes no sense for the modern line. The Jubilee line is hugely political. The choice to celebrate a Royalist and Nationalistic event by naming a tube line is more political than naming a line after a football team or a major moment in history. The Royal Family are extremely contentious politically. Most of the lines run though central London. This could have been called the Ongar line just as easily as the central line. Central line doesn’t make much sense when you’re going from Gants Hill to Ilford." So you object to the Elizabeth Line as well then? At least with the Northern and Central lines one can tell which direction they are traveling in as they are both geographic. At least they mean something, unlike spending millions of pounds to rename a section of track after a mildly successful soccer team. | |||
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"I honestly don't understand the naming. I'm a born and bred Londoner and some of the names just aren't representative of the routes they take. I live near to Wapping Station and, prior to its extension, that line was traditionally the East London Line - as far as I can tell, renaming it 'Windrush' just doesn't represent anything along the route and would be more suited to Notting Hill, Brixton or even Tilbury. At least the Lioness line acknowledges the importance of biological gender in sport.
Sadiq Khan, meh.""The Windrush line: Highbury & Islington to Clapham Junction/New Cross/Crystal Palace/West Croydon - Running through several areas with strong ties to Caribbean communities, including Dalston Junction, Peckham Rye and West Croydon" It's almost like they'd planned it... | |||
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"WON’T SOMEBODY THINK OF THE WHITE MEN?! I heard a lot of weavers were historically white. They're covered. And they were fucking the suffragettes. The lionesses not so much "Let's not get started on diversity in women's football. The thread can't cope... | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? Ok, the Northern line makes sense because it runs North to South (and vice versa). The Central line is so called because it generally runs thru the middle of Central London. The Jubilee line is named because of Elizabeth's jubilee. They make sense and are non political. I dislike the new names (maybe except Windrush) as they represent a desperate publicity stunt by a mayor who is under scrutiny for dishonesty and failings in office. Plus that 6.3m could have been better spent. Nobody consulted us on this gimmick and nobody I know is impressed with this farcial waste of money. Northern line doesn’t make sense. It’s not as northern as some lines, and it goes further south. They could have called it the NorthSouth line if they wanted to be accurate, but Northern makes no sense for the modern line. The Jubilee line is hugely political. The choice to celebrate a Royalist and Nationalistic event by naming a tube line is more political than naming a line after a football team or a major moment in history. The Royal Family are extremely contentious politically. Most of the lines run though central London. This could have been called the Ongar line just as easily as the central line. Central line doesn’t make much sense when you’re going from Gants Hill to Ilford. So you object to the Elizabeth Line as well then? At least with the Northern and Central lines one can tell which direction they are traveling in as they are both geographic. At least they mean something, unlike spending millions of pounds to rename a section of track after a mildly successful soccer team." I don’t personally object to the naming of any of the lines. I just think that the OP, and some other people posting here, are a bit silly. | |||
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"You guys, I think we should petition to have the Piccadilly Line renamed. It is, after all named after Piccadilly Circus, which is named after Piccadilly Street, which is named after a ridiculously frilly men’s garment invented by a male tailor in the 17th Century. Since we are so manly these days, and all about War graves, this frilly men’s garment doesn’t fit into our modern world and should be renamed something more relevant to our history. I suggest we call it the Churchill line, and the tube trains could be nicknamed Churchill’s Cigars. Only pretty women would be allowed to travel on the Churchill line, as he notoriously didn’t like uglies." Dear GymAndCoffee, It has come to our attention that you have made a joke about Winston Churchill. We are not sure how anyone could stoop so low, but please cease and desist or we will be forced to take immediate action, up to and including taking part in a radio phone in on LBC. Yours, The Anti-Woke Brigade | |||
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"alarmingly high suicide rates (69.6% of all suicides are white men) Did you know that women attempt suicide in higher numbers than men? The reasons that men more successfully actually commit suicide is that they generally have access to more lethal methods and tools. Women don't have access to the same equipment blokes do? No baths toasters and extension cables? no booze and pills? No shops that sell tools? They have access to exactly the same thing as blokes do, they just choose not to use the same methods it seems. Blokes mean it when they wanna check out. One and done. Unless I'm missing stuff that women can't get hold of? If I am, enlighten me. What can I get, you can't? " there are several good studies on the subject if you care to google. Women tend to use less violent methods such as drugs or carbon monoxide poisoning - methods that are less predictable and more likely to fail. However men tend to use more violent methods such as firearms (which statistically women have less access to in this country) and hanging (which women are less likely to do because they don’t tend to work in non-domestic spaces suitable for this method). However when examined, the lethal intent was the same across both men and women. | |||
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"You basically said “white men have it worse than women, the evidence is that the commit suicide more often than women.” I merely pointed out that women actually attempt suicide more than men, so your argument was nonsense and unfounded. Yes it’s sad so many men die from suicide. It’s also sad that even more women attempt suicide (many women’s suicide attempts are in direct response to male-initiated domestic abuse). “More men commit suicide than women” is not the trump card you think it is. | |||
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The problem is the whataboutary - happens on both sides of a lot of arguments, and it's often used as a way to diminish an argument rather than address it.
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" She didn't suggest it was ok. Did she? But men are more successful, sadly, because they choose more lethal methods in general. Success just seems the wrong word altogether here though.
The problem is the whataboutary - happens on both sides of a lot of arguments, and it's often used as a way to diminish an argument rather than address it.
"If you’d like to talk about your university statistic instead, we can also do that. The primary reason that boys are dropping out of education and not going to university is toxic masculinity. Mostly male parents who do not believe that “real men” go to universities. Instead they should go into “real” jobs. Boys are taught young by their male role models that education isn’t for boys, because it’s girlie. There’s a really great podcast series on it called “Boys Don’t Try.” | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? Ok, the Northern line makes sense because it runs North to South (and vice versa). The Central line is so called because it generally runs thru the middle of Central London. The Jubilee line is named because of Elizabeth's jubilee. They make sense and are non political. I dislike the new names (maybe except Windrush) as they represent a desperate publicity stunt by a mayor who is under scrutiny for dishonesty and failings in office. Plus that 6.3m could have been better spent. Nobody consulted us on this gimmick and nobody I know is impressed with this farcial waste of money. Northern line doesn’t make sense. It’s not as northern as some lines, and it goes further south. They could have called it the NorthSouth line if they wanted to be accurate, but Northern makes no sense for the modern line. The Jubilee line is hugely political. The choice to celebrate a Royalist and Nationalistic event by naming a tube line is more political than naming a line after a football team or a major moment in history. The Royal Family are extremely contentious politically. Most of the lines run though central London. This could have been called the Ongar line just as easily as the central line. Central line doesn’t make much sense when you’re going from Gants Hill to Ilford. So you object to the Elizabeth Line as well then? At least with the Northern and Central lines one can tell which direction they are traveling in as they are both geographic. At least they mean something, unlike spending millions of pounds to rename a section of track after a mildly successful soccer team. I don’t personally object to the naming of any of the lines. I just think that the OP, and some other people posting here, are a bit silly." So its silly to object to how £6.3m of public money has been spent? | |||
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"I’m nowhere near London at all, all I know from visiting is that the public transport is amazing compared to here. Why didn’t they call them after wombles? Overground underground and all that." Underground, overground, wombling free I'd love a Womble line! | |||
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"Crikey I came back to check on the debate about train line names. Wtf happened!?" The Fab effect... | |||
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"Crikey I came back to check on the debate about train line names. Wtf happened!?" It got dark real quick my friend. | |||
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" So it’s silly to object to how £6.3m of public money has been spent?" It’s pocket change compared to what the government aren’t taxing rich people. And I don’t even mean wealthy people. Just moderately well-off people. | |||
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" If you’d like to talk about your university statistic instead, we can also do that. The primary reason that boys are dropping out of education and not going to university is toxic masculinity. Mostly male parents who do not believe that “real men” go to universities. Instead they should go into “real” jobs. Boys are taught young by their male role models that education isn’t for boys, because it’s girlie. There’s a really great podcast series on it called “Boys Don’t Try.”" There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. | |||
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" If you’d like to talk about your university statistic instead, we can also do that. The primary reason that boys are dropping out of education and not going to university is toxic masculinity. Mostly male parents who do not believe that “real men” go to universities. Instead they should go into “real” jobs. Boys are taught young by their male role models that education isn’t for boys, because it’s girlie. There’s a really great podcast series on it called “Boys Don’t Try.” There is no such thing as toxic masculinity. " Ok, I’ll rephrase it. Boys are suffering in education because their male role models are behaving in ways that encourage negative male stereotypes to persist. | |||
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" So it’s silly to object to how £6.3m of public money has been spent? It’s pocket change compared to what the government aren’t taxing rich people. And I don’t even mean wealthy people. Just moderately well-off people." Except that Sadiq Khan isn't the government and isn't responsible for raising taxes!!!!!! It's another slap in the face to hard working Londoners who have endured unfair, punitive costs as late (council tax raises, fare increases, ULEZ, Congestion Charge extensions etc) whilst Sadiq pisses money up the wall in vanity projects (such as rebranding everything Mayor of London etc) | |||
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BUT if TfL want to call their lines special names, then cool.
Most of the existing Underground names mean nothing/very little to tourists and Londoners alike. The Metropolitan line? It's named after the Metropolitan Railway which started in 1863 and ran between the metropolises of central London and Harrow etc. The Bakerloo line? A portmanteau of the original name of the "Baker Street and Waterloo Railway". Most people are looking at the colours, not the names as much and I wager almost nobody is saying "oh, the Jubilee line - wasn't 1977 a wonderful year for the Silver jubilee of QE2?" Let's overlook that the Jubilee line didn't open till 1979  | |||
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"Crikey I came back to check on the debate about train line names. Wtf happened!? It got dark real quick my friend. " That was a pretty grim scroll back. I expected more from country that invented Thomas the Tank Engine | |||
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"Crikey I came back to check on the debate about train line names. Wtf happened!? It got dark real quick my friend. That was a pretty grim scroll back. I expected more from country that invented Thomas the Tank Engine" Also the country that chose Ringo Starr to narrate it | |||
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"Here in the frozen North, we just have "trains". They predominantly travel above the ground, except in Liverpool, where they enjoyed training navvies (they also have two lovely tunnels under the River). If we want to know where the trains are going, we look at the information boards in the railway station (we don't have overground/underground station distinctions, not even the stations under the ground in Liverpool! We just call those Moorfields, Liverpool Central etc). Tourists seem to manage. Commuters seem to manage. We occasionally even have TRAINS running through all these stations. Well, not on 1st March. Again. But you get the idea? The railway line from Manchester to Liverpool doesn't have a special name. The line from Windermere to Manchester doesn't have a special name. They don't even have colours, they're all black (don't tell Steve Pickle )
BUT if TfL want to call their lines special names, then cool.
Most of the existing Underground names mean nothing/very little to tourists and Londoners alike. The Metropolitan line? It's named after the Metropolitan Railway which started in 1863 and ran between the metropolises of central London and Harrow etc. The Bakerloo line? A portmanteau of the original name of the "Baker Street and Waterloo Railway". Most people are looking at the colours, not the names as much and I wager almost nobody is saying "oh, the Jubilee line - wasn't 1977 a wonderful year for the Silver jubilee of QE2?" Let's overlook that the Jubilee line didn't open till 1979 "You've got trains up north? Great that you've made such progress. Well done! | |||
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"Here in the frozen North, we just have "trains". They predominantly travel above the ground, except in Liverpool, where they enjoyed training navvies (they also have two lovely tunnels under the River). If we want to know where the trains are going, we look at the information boards in the railway station (we don't have overground/underground station distinctions, not even the stations under the ground in Liverpool! We just call those Moorfields, Liverpool Central etc). Tourists seem to manage. Commuters seem to manage. We occasionally even have TRAINS running through all these stations. Well, not on 1st March. Again. But you get the idea? The railway line from Manchester to Liverpool doesn't have a special name. The line from Windermere to Manchester doesn't have a special name. They don't even have colours, they're all black (don't tell Steve Pickle )
BUT if TfL want to call their lines special names, then cool.
Most of the existing Underground names mean nothing/very little to tourists and Londoners alike. The Metropolitan line? It's named after the Metropolitan Railway which started in 1863 and ran between the metropolises of central London and Harrow etc. The Bakerloo line? A portmanteau of the original name of the "Baker Street and Waterloo Railway". Most people are looking at the colours, not the names as much and I wager almost nobody is saying "oh, the Jubilee line - wasn't 1977 a wonderful year for the Silver jubilee of QE2?" Let's overlook that the Jubilee line didn't open till 1979 "I’m Black.  | |||
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"There are already plenty of London tube lines that aren't named after stations. - Northern - Circle - Central - Jubilee Do you want to have a whinge about those too? No cause they all make sense. There's no need to go renaming the Overground, everyone knows what it is and where it goes. The new names chosen are clearly just empty virtue signalling and will soon become dated. Plus no Londoner will ever use them- we'll always call it the Overground, even to tourists. The worst part about it is that this farce has cost £6.3m at a time when crime is up, incomes are down and TFL is already in the red. Time for Khan to do one. How does Jubilee make sense? What place is called Jubilee? And the Northern line goes further south than just about any other line. How weird is that? Shouldn't it just be in the North? Ok, the Northern line makes sense because it runs North to South (and vice versa). The Central line is so called because it generally runs thru the middle of Central London. The Jubilee line is named because of Elizabeth's jubilee. They make sense and are non political. I dislike the new names (maybe except Windrush) as they represent a desperate publicity stunt by a mayor who is under scrutiny for dishonesty and failings in office. Plus that 6.3m could have been better spent. Nobody consulted us on this gimmick and nobody I know is impressed with this farcial waste of money. Northern line doesn’t make sense. It’s not as northern as some lines, and it goes further south. They could have called it the NorthSouth line if they wanted to be accurate, but Northern makes no sense for the modern line. The Jubilee line is hugely political. The choice to celebrate a Royalist and Nationalistic event by naming a tube line is more political than naming a line after a football team or a major moment in history. The Royal Family are extremely contentious politically. Most of the lines run though central London. This could have been called the Ongar line just as easily as the central line. Central line doesn’t make much sense when you’re going from Gants Hill to Ilford. So you object to the Elizabeth Line as well then? At least with the Northern and Central lines one can tell which direction they are traveling in as they are both geographic. At least they mean something, unlike spending millions of pounds to rename a section of track after a mildly successful soccer team. I don’t personally object to the naming of any of the lines. I just think that the OP, and some other people posting here, are a bit silly. So its silly to object to how £6.3m of public money has been spent?" I mean the money was being spent regardless of what the names were going to be, right? | |||
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" I suggest we call it the Churchill line, and the tube trains could be nicknamed Churchill’s Cigars. Only pretty women would be allowed to travel on the Churchill line, as he notoriously didn’t like uglies. Dear GymAndCoffee, It has come to our attention that you have made a joke about Winston Churchill. We are not sure how anyone could stoop so low, but please cease and desist or we will be forced to take immediate action, up to and including taking part in a radio phone in on LBC. Yours, The Anti-Woke Brigade " Does anyone else remember 'Anti traffic warden stickers' which were designed to be placed in windscreens? Some time in the late sixties/ early seventies? They read: 'This is Sir Winston Churchill's car, so piss off you neo fascist communist bastard'. | |||
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" Does anyone else remember 'Anti traffic warden stickers' which were designed to be placed in windscreens? Some time in the late sixties/ early seventies? They read: 'This is Sir Winston Churchill's car, so piss off you neo fascist communist bastard'. " Must have been the sixties, because Churchill died in 1965. Not sure who kept his car. | |||
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" Boys are suffering in education because their male role models are behaving in ways that encourage negative male stereotypes to persist. would that include the boys who grow up in broken homes with single female parents?" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest | |||
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" Boys are suffering in education because their male role models are behaving in ways that encourage negative male stereotypes to persist. would that include the boys who grow up in broken homes with single female parents?" What about boys who have never been on a train? Surely that must have an effect on their ability to form a considered in opinion on train line names. Maybe there's a correlation with suicide rates? Toxic behaviour exists. Masculinity exists. Ergo... Toxic Trains! | |||
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"Can’t be bothered to read the thread - am I safe to assume that everyone has blown a fuse, gotten angry with everyone else and now no one is talking to anyone? It feels like that kind of thread…. Well it was us laughing at snowflakes and then it got deep" I am going to step away and go somewhere a little quieter - maybe the virus forum … | |||
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" Boys are suffering in education because their male role models are behaving in ways that encourage negative male stereotypes to persist. would that include the boys who grow up in broken homes with single female parents?" Iirc I remember a head teacher friend of mine, whose very passion is this subject (and is how I found the podcast), telling me that boys from single-mother homes statistically do better in education than those in single-father homes. | |||
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"Can’t be bothered to read the thread - am I safe to assume that everyone has blown a fuse, gotten angry with everyone else and now no one is talking to anyone? It feels like that kind of thread…. Well it was us laughing at snowflakes and then it got deep I am going to step away and go somewhere a little quieter - maybe the virus forum …" Or politics? | |||
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" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest "The problem I see is a lot of left-leaning women thinking they know how men should behave or feel, while not liking it when men decide for themselves how they behave or feel. | |||
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"Clearly this thread has a lot of mileage left in it. " I’m in me mums car! | |||
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"Clearly this thread has a lot of mileage left in it. I’m in me mums car! " BROOM BROOM | |||
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"Clearly this thread has a lot of mileage left in it. I’m in me mums car! BROOM BROOM" Toot toot! I’ve been driving in my car It’s not quite a jaguar | |||
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" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest
The problem I see is a lot of left-leaning women thinking they know how men should behave or feel, while not liking it when men decide for themselves how they behave or feel.
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" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest
The problem I see is a lot of left-leaning women thinking they know how men should behave or feel, while not liking it when men decide for themselves how they behave or feel.
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" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest
The problem I see is a lot of left-leaning women thinking they know how men should behave or feel, while not liking it when men decide for themselves how they behave or feel.
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" Yeah I spend all my time encouraging male stereotypes with my son when his dad paid no interest
The problem I see is a lot of left-leaning women thinking they know how men should behave or feel, while not liking it when men decide for themselves how they behave or feel.
Bless, looking forward to your ‘women on here are stuck up’ thread coming soon x"And identifying someone's political leaning from a few posts on a swinger site. Astute. | |||
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"Bless, looking forward to your ‘women on here are stuck up’ thread coming soon x" Well we kinda are tbf | |||
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"Do you think they spent this money changing the name to the windrush line to detract from the fact that people died without getting their compensation. And not everyone has received it? Makes you wonder "Well they have 6 million less in a pot now. If they had half a brain they should’ve called it the Barclays line for a couple of years, paid all the children & built a few monuments without being accused of being wokery. | |||
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