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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

Im presently involved in the mass retaliation of the proposed "bedroom tax"

The campaigns are reaching far and wide and hope to have mass rallies to indicate the injustice of it all.

Many will disagree with the protests , saying "waiting lists for homes are to high, therefore move"

I agree.

But i dont agree with paying extortionate rates and being "forced out"

Councils dont even have smaller housing stock for us to move in....

So were fooked either way.

Power to the people

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed."

No im not blessed.

Ive paid highly for the privilage....worked bloody hard and always paid my taxes.

I just dont take to kindly to bullies, in any shape or form

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed."
why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list"

I fully agree.

But my problem is.....im prepared to move to a one bed property.

But they have none......

Most are taken up with oaps, living longer obviously and the fact they stopped building years ago.

So what am i to do ?

All the forms are filled out and given in....to all the housing associations etc.

And ive been told it could take a year to get a smaller property.

But im still to be penalised

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By *uttyMan
over a year ago

Local to you maybe

Surely then this is the local authoritys problem. They have info on who stays where, how many rooms etc. employ someone to collate the info and assist people to move to more suitable accomodation, not penalise those who have no choice but to stay in either overcrowded accomodation or under occupied!!

But nooooooo let's just do that, hit people where it hurts, just as the economy is poor and money is tight for families as it is. It's a bully boy move and an underhand one at that. Address the housing issue before penalising the people who stay in them.

Anyway rant over

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Surely then this is the local authoritys problem. They have info on who stays where, how many rooms etc. employ someone to collate the info and assist people to move to more suitable accomodation, not penalise those who have no choice but to stay in either overcrowded accomodation or under occupied!!

But nooooooo let's just do that, hit people where it hurts, just as the economy is poor and money is tight for families as it is. It's a bully boy move and an underhand one at that. Address the housing issue before penalising the people who stay in them.

Anyway rant over "

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By *exybabyMan
over a year ago

Canterbury....ish


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list

I fully agree.

But my problem is.....im prepared to move to a one bed property.

But they have none......

Most are taken up with oaps, living longer obviously and the fact they stopped building years ago.

So what am i to do ?

All the forms are filled out and given in....to all the housing associations etc.

And ive been told it could take a year to get a smaller property.

But im still to be penalised "

I think a fairer system would have been for the 'powers that are' to give anyone that is in social housing the opportunity / grace to be able to find more suitable accommodation for their specific needs. Say a 12 month piece of breathing space.

If after that time, for whatever reasons, then and only then should the bedroom tax be implemented upon that person(s). Life is never fair and never will be.

I've always said that those that make the rules DO NOT suffer by them...

...and those that have paid into the system get very little out as opposed to those who haven't who, seemingly, get it handed to them on a silver salva.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Seeing as taxpayers fund the queen and others will they have to downsize therefore freeing up lots of empty space in palaces.

Whilst housing benefit bill may need reducing this is just another tax no matter how its dressed up.

The rule should be if there are properties for folk to downsize too then yes maybe would work but as its clear there are not enough properties so why should folk now be penalised. I am unaffected by the changes but believe in treating folk right.

This is a form of social cleansing.

The government are relaxing visa rules for brazil and india lets assume we get ten thousand for example where they going to live and who will pay for it . We all will do. Better to look after folk in uk than foreigners when things are bad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If any spare rooms are under a certain amount of square footage it dont count as a bedroom but a box room that isnt suitable for accomodation. Hope thats helpful for someone.

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By *uttyMan
over a year ago

Local to you maybe


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list

I fully agree.

But my problem is.....im prepared to move to a one bed property.

But they have none......

Most are taken up with oaps, living longer obviously and the fact they stopped building years ago.

So what am i to do ?

All the forms are filled out and given in....to all the housing associations etc.

And ive been told it could take a year to get a smaller property.

But im still to be penalised

I think a fairer system would have been for the 'powers that are' to give anyone that is in social housing the opportunity / grace to be able to find more suitable accommodation for their specific needs. Say a 12 month piece of breathing space.

If after that time, for whatever reasons, then and only then should the bedroom tax be implemented upon that person(s). Life is never fair and never will be.

I've always said that those that make the rules DO NOT suffer by them...

...and those that have paid into the system get very little out as opposed to those who haven't who, seemingly, get it handed to them on a silver salva.

"

Why should the onus be on the individual to find smaller/bigger accomodation when it's the local authority who gives it out in the first place. Surely a simpler solution is them compiling the data and acting accordingly, or government assistance in building more suitable housing.

Reeks of bullying and joe public getting shafted to make the figures add up.

Ach I'm still ranting

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago

I was also told that i could take in a lodger regardless if he or she paid rent....

so im supposed to open my home to anyone in order to get out of paying it.

I dont think so.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list

I fully agree.

But my problem is.....im prepared to move to a one bed property.

But they have none......

Most are taken up with oaps, living longer obviously and the fact they stopped building years ago.

So what am i to do ?

All the forms are filled out and given in....to all the housing associations etc.

And ive been told it could take a year to get a smaller property.

But im still to be penalised

I think a fairer system would have been for the 'powers that are' to give anyone that is in social housing the opportunity / grace to be able to find more suitable accommodation for their specific needs. Say a 12 month piece of breathing space.

If after that time, for whatever reasons, then and only then should the bedroom tax be implemented upon that person(s). Life is never fair and never will be.

I've always said that those that make the rules DO NOT suffer by them...

...and those that have paid into the system get very little out as opposed to those who haven't who, seemingly, get it handed to them on a silver salva.

Why should the onus be on the individual to find smaller/bigger accomodation when it's the local authority who gives it out in the first place. Surely a simpler solution is them compiling the data and acting accordingly, or government assistance in building more suitable housing.

Reeks of bullying and joe public getting shafted to make the figures add up.

Ach I'm still ranting "

I was given my house 32 yrs ago when i had my son.

I wanted a two bedroom home but they didnt have any so i ended up with a 3 bed one.

I have fully maintained it and never had repairs done etc. getting it all done myself.

But to what avail.?

All the upgrades , repairs,

Along with the new kitchen, hardwood floors etc...

will be lost to me....ripped out and put in a skip........so i will be losing twice over...if not more

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list"

I live alone and have a two bedroom flat! I get access to my two boys every single weekend! Should i be forced into moving to a one bed flat and kmsing the ability to having my kids stay with me?

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"Be thankful that you live in a country where housing is provided for you, you are very blessed.why should a single person have a three bedroomed property when families are on the waiting list

I live alone and have a two bedroom flat! I get access to my two boys every single weekend! Should i be forced into moving to a one bed flat and kmsing the ability to having my kids stay with me?"

Under the current proposals...yes.

I want those who are being effected to maybe sign the currant E- petitions and or join the campaign on facebook

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

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By *iamondsmiles.Woman
over a year ago

little house on the praire

over here you dont have to pay it if youve been in your house over thirty years

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

All I can see it doing is pushing more people into even more debt!

O and another bit of advice i read somewhere

if you are on benefits or low income and going to be affected you can apply for discretionary housing payments to cover the difference.

Whats going to save a few pennies now us going to cost them.more further down the line

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"All I can see it doing is pushing more people into even more debt!

O and another bit of advice i read somewhere

if you are on benefits or low income and going to be affected you can apply for discretionary housing payments to cover the difference.

Whats going to save a few pennies now us going to cost them.more further down the line"

The local council decide who can get discretionary payments .and so far here........they have refused everyone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them"

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"All I can see it doing is pushing more people into even more debt!

O and another bit of advice i read somewhere

if you are on benefits or low income and going to be affected you can apply for discretionary housing payments to cover the difference.

Whats going to save a few pennies now us going to cost them.more further down the line

The local council decide who can get discretionary payments .and so far here........they have refused everyone "

Well that sucks

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!"

They change the rules to suit themselves...

We who are against it are refusing to pay it.

Hopefully if enough do the same they will get the message its an ufair tax

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By *illbillMan
over a year ago

dublin

savage big council house in central london with more room than u could imagine...there is an old pair in it at the moment..both have been in and out of hospital in recent times...put an appliction in for it before their greedy children and grandchildren eye it up for them selves...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I personally think that this is going to have the same disastrous consequences for the Tories as the poll tax did.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"savage big council house in central london with more room than u could imagine...there is an old pair in it at the moment..both have been in and out of hospital in recent times...put an appliction in for it before their greedy children and grandchildren eye it up for them selves..."

but imagine the tax ull pay on all those spare bedrooms

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By *rumCoupleCouple
over a year ago

birmingham


"I personally think that this is going to have the same disastrous consequences for the Tories as the poll tax did."

Oh, that's right. They lost the 1992 election

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Surely then this is the local authoritys problem. They have info on who stays where, how many rooms etc. employ someone to collate the info and assist people to move to more suitable accomodation, not penalise those who have no choice but to stay in either overcrowded accomodation or under occupied!!

But nooooooo let's just do that, hit people where it hurts, just as the economy is poor and money is tight for families as it is. It's a bully boy move and an underhand one at that. Address the housing issue before penalising the people who stay in them.

Anyway rant over "

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!"

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!"

Why?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

questions. do governments take any notice of peaceful mass rallies?

are they more likely to take another look at this law when faced with the systemic dismantling of city centres and large scale civil disobedience instead?

Do the authorities actually care about people?

Do the general public actually care about other people enough to protest hard and long enough?

After all they've just ordered a pizza from Dominos and X Factor is on soon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

Why? "

Then you'll be able to decide for yourself how many bedrooms you want/need/can afford.

There is a saying... Something about a gifted horse's mouth...

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

Why?

Then you'll be able to decide for yourself how many bedrooms you want/need/can afford.

There is a saying... Something about a gifted horse's mouth..."

Is that the same one your sitting on?

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By *scariMan
over a year ago

Taunton

I live in a small village close to my work place, no street lights, very few services and even the village hall was built and is maintained privately, yet my council tax is more than a 5 bed detached in town! i have to pay for my choice of location and i paid for my house!

If you can afford a new kitchen, wood flooring etc, why shouldn't you pay a little extra for having plenty of space and no mortgage???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

Why?

Then you'll be able to decide for yourself how many bedrooms you want/need/can afford.

There is a saying... Something about a gifted horse's mouth..."

For risk of getting shot down, I have to say I agree? Why do you have to stay in council property? Why can't you look at renting private property?

As for the comment re a lodger, yes you should have to take a lodger if you cannot afford to live in your home as it stands. Since my ex left, I cannot afford my mortgage without having to have a lodger and, no, I too do not want to have strangers in my house, but.......beggars can't be choosers.

I appreciate that there are some people who should not be penalised by the bedroom tax, but why should the rest of the 660000 not be treated like the other 52 million people in the country?

Also, it is the Government who have brought out this policy, not local councils, they just have to comply.

x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

Why?

Then you'll be able to decide for yourself how many bedrooms you want/need/can afford.

There is a saying... Something about a gifted horse's mouth...

For risk of getting shot down, I have to say I agree? Why do you have to stay in council property? Why can't you look at renting private property?

As for the comment re a lodger, yes you should have to take a lodger if you cannot afford to live in your home as it stands. Since my ex left, I cannot afford my mortgage without having to have a lodger and, no, I too do not want to have strangers in my house, but.......beggars can't be choosers.

I appreciate that there are some people who should not be penalised by the bedroom tax, but why should the rest of the 660000 not be treated like the other 52 million people in the country?

Also, it is the Government who have brought out this policy, not local councils, they just have to comply.

x"

I'm sorry, but you seem to have got the wrong end the stick here!

I can afford my rent as i work, it hasn't gone up or anything! I've spent money on doing my house up to look nice for me and my kids when they stay with me. (the place was a tip when i first moved in as council houses generally are). The reason i moved here was to be nearer my kids.

Now, my whole point is, say i lose my job, go on jsa and housing benefits. Why should i be punished for having kids? Why bother making your home look nice if you don't know what the future holds and maybe lose that home due to not being able to afford the room that your kids sleep in?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"actually... i am split on this....

there are a few reasons why....

1) tennants in private occupied premises where housing benefits are paid are actually already ruled under the same terms of what is coming in for those in council housed accomodation.... so if they are being paid housing benefit (which remember comes from tax payers..those of us who are working pockets) I don't see why there should be a difference...

2) the amount of properties there are of certain kinds means there are not enough to go round...

if i was being sensible... I would have said, that if a property with the right amount of bedrooms is offered... and refused... THEN penalise them

But where that argument falls apart is, i moved into this flat last year after my breakup. I was TOLD by my COUNCIL i HAD to take a two bed flat due to having somewhere for my kids to sleep when they came at weekends! Now i'm getting penalised for it!

Go out and rent a non-council flat then!

Why?

Then you'll be able to decide for yourself how many bedrooms you want/need/can afford.

There is a saying... Something about a gifted horse's mouth...

For risk of getting shot down, I have to say I agree? Why do you have to stay in council property? Why can't you look at renting private property?

As for the comment re a lodger, yes you should have to take a lodger if you cannot afford to live in your home as it stands. Since my ex left, I cannot afford my mortgage without having to have a lodger and, no, I too do not want to have strangers in my house, but.......beggars can't be choosers.

I appreciate that there are some people who should not be penalised by the bedroom tax, but why should the rest of the 660000 not be treated like the other 52 million people in the country?

Also, it is the Government who have brought out this policy, not local councils, they just have to comply.

x

I'm sorry, but you seem to have got the wrong end the stick here!

I can afford my rent as i work, it hasn't gone up or anything! I've spent money on doing my house up to look nice for me and my kids when they stay with me. (the place was a tip when i first moved in as council houses generally are). The reason i moved here was to be nearer my kids.

Now, my whole point is, say i lose my job, go on jsa and housing benefits. Why should i be punished for having kids? Why bother making your home look nice if you don't know what the future holds and maybe lose that home due to not being able to afford the room that your kids sleep in?"

Now then now then, people in your circumstances are among those that I said "should not be penalised" by it!! Also, foster carers who may have an empty bedroom between children and families with disabled children who need a seperate room but may be forced to share if under a certain age..... I am aiming this more at those who do not fall in to any of those categories, which I would assume would be the majority of the 660000 who will be affected.

xx

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