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"Obviously as a Black person on fab I’ve had messages treating me as a fetish or a tick off a bucket list. And I suspect many other groups on here have experienced the same. Following a conversation I’d love to get thoughts on, I suppose, just dealing with this? Obviously you can’t filter it but how do you stop it impacting your worth? Personally I can pretty strong in my feelings about my racial/ ethnic identity and I know that I’m worth more and I am more desirable than these people make me feel. Is it just a process for you? Let’s talk about it. " Sadly at least 50% of the people on here behave in a bad way that they would never behave face to face. They think because you are on a site that involves sex they are entitled to ignore you as a person, and totally ignore your profile. The best thing we can say is remember that these people are idiots and they are not worth thinking or stressing about. You know what you are worth Mr P., and decent people will think the same. A site like this, full of anonymous people, can easily get you down. But in reality these people have no idea of the real you. | |||
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"If someone treats me as a tick box I tell them to go tick someone else’s box Zero fucks given obviously " I get the OP completely and it's always been the case when it comes to sex. People often join sites like these to experience things they can't in their existing sex lives, whether that's down to skin colour, dick size, sexuality, age, body shape, boob size or whatever. Many don't consider that they're effectively fetishising someone and looking to use them for fantasy fulfilment and that's where the lines blur in terms of treating them as an equal human being and seeing them as a means to an end. Of course some are fully capable of engaging with others that suit their specific preferences in a decent, respectful manner, treating them as 'normal people' and looking at them as an equally important part of any activities with their own wants, needs and desires. Then there's others who think they should be grateful for an invite into their sex life and that they should jump through hoops in order to do so. Spotting the difference between a fetish and a preference can be hard sometimes. The key is to know your own worth, not bow to ridiculous requests and to communicate properly. There's nothing wrong with individual tastes and preferences. There's a lot wrong with treating someone as a piece of meat to get your thrills. | |||
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"If someone treats me as a tick box I tell them to go tick someone else’s box Zero fucks given obviously I get the OP completely and it's always been the case when it comes to sex. People often join sites like these to experience things they can't in their existing sex lives, whether that's down to skin colour, dick size, sexuality, age, body shape, boob size or whatever. Many don't consider that they're effectively fetishising someone and looking to use them for fantasy fulfilment and that's where the lines blur in terms of treating them as an equal human being and seeing them as a means to an end. Of course some are fully capable of engaging with others that suit their specific preferences in a decent, respectful manner, treating them as 'normal people' and looking at them as an equally important part of any activities with their own wants, needs and desires. Then there's others who think they should be grateful for an invite into their sex life and that they should jump through hoops in order to do so. Spotting the difference between a fetish and a preference can be hard sometimes. The key is to know your own worth, not bow to ridiculous requests and to communicate properly. There's nothing wrong with individual tastes and preferences. There's a lot wrong with treating someone as a piece of meat to get your thrills. " I agree with all of this | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me " I’ve never heard ssbbw but if it means what I think it means… oh dear. | |||
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"Wait... you're ?låck?? " 6LACK and me never been seen in the same room. | |||
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"White privileged. No one in a white majority country picks me for my race When I travelled Asia, they did. And I liked it because I was basically on holiday. It was new and exciting. So that doesn’t count I’ve always thought it must suck to be black and everyone just assumes you have a huge knob. Especially if you don’t. " You’ll never get it so don’t overthink it. | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me " The bbw &ssbbw terms are two that I thought of specifically. Like the ‘I’d love to be with a bbw’ types of messages | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me I’ve never heard ssbbw but if it means what I think it means… oh dear." supersized | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me I’ve never heard ssbbw but if it means what I think it means… oh dear. supersized " That’s what I thought it might mean. Yikes. | |||
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"If someone treats me as a tick box I tell them to go tick someone else’s box Zero fucks given obviously I get the OP completely and it's always been the case when it comes to sex. People often join sites like these to experience things they can't in their existing sex lives, whether that's down to skin colour, dick size, sexuality, age, body shape, boob size or whatever. Many don't consider that they're effectively fetishising someone and looking to use them for fantasy fulfilment and that's where the lines blur in terms of treating them as an equal human being and seeing them as a means to an end. Of course some are fully capable of engaging with others that suit their specific preferences in a decent, respectful manner, treating them as 'normal people' and looking at them as an equally important part of any activities with their own wants, needs and desires. Then there's others who think they should be grateful for an invite into their sex life and that they should jump through hoops in order to do so. Spotting the difference between a fetish and a preference can be hard sometimes. The key is to know your own worth, not bow to ridiculous requests and to communicate properly. There's nothing wrong with individual tastes and preferences. There's a lot wrong with treating someone as a piece of meat to get your thrills. " Essentially yeah. The line is thin. I’m attractive because I’m attractive. Not because I’m Black or because I am black and have a bigger then average penis. Calling people BBC is the biggest irk of mine. It’s different to say calling someone a bbw in the sense that bbw includes woman. My biggest irk to read is people that use bbc as a synonym for black man. But this thread wasn’t inspired by me or race for one | |||
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"Hey OP this is an interesting question. From my own perspective my own use of the site has changed. Due to threads you and others post. It's opened my eyes how much people fetishise certain attributes. And I can see the grey areas where it's ok to use cliches e.g. about redheads. So I can see why some people may think it's ok to use other clichés surrounding race for example. So I now do not comment on Redhead threads, because I don't think I should perpetuate the notion that its ok to fetishise people. I think people will on a site like this reduce people to their physical characteristics. Be it skin colour, BBW, big boobs the list goes on. And it can make you feel like other things you valve about yourself aren't important. But then I have to remind myself that it is then who are superficial not me. And those kind of people aren't for me. Yes of course I want to viewed as attractive but as a whole person. " That last sentence!!! Also I have never understood being attracted to a hair colour. Not to diminish that as an attraction for people I just haven’t. Especially because it can and does change. But yeah, because people do it, I can imagine it’s something where people being obsessed over that one feature. And don’t value you as a whole, beautiful person. | |||
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"Constantly batting off men who have a fetish for tall fat women with hairy armpits. For the love of god men! Leave me alone! " I think body hair may be one | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here." When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. " I'd never heard of the use of internalised misogyny/racism etc before but it wouldn't surprise if that did happen. How would you view those who use the terms to "own" or "take the power back"? Where would the line be? | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. I'd never heard of the use of internalised misogyny/racism etc before but it wouldn't surprise if that did happen. How would you view those who use the terms to "own" or "take the power back"? Where would the line be?" Oh internalised anti blackness is a term I’ve heard used often. I grew up and my secondary school was majority Black. There’s other (American) terms used to describe people with that kind of self hatred but I don’t want anyone on my back for being the messenger. | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. I'd never heard of the use of internalised misogyny/racism etc before but it wouldn't surprise if that did happen. How would you view those who use the terms to "own" or "take the power back"? Where would the line be?" Yeah that’s tricky isn’t it, because it relies on people’s internal knowledge and political stance. There have been movements to reclaim words. Personally I don’t have any desire to “reclaim” words that have caused me trauma in the past (and have cost me expensive therapy). Like I’ll never identify as queer, or as a slut. Those are words that I feel can never shake their homophobic/misogynistic backgrounds. | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. I'd never heard of the use of internalised misogyny/racism etc before but it wouldn't surprise if that did happen. How would you view those who use the terms to "own" or "take the power back"? Where would the line be? Oh internalised anti blackness is a term I’ve heard used often. I grew up and my secondary school was majority Black. There’s other (American) terms used to describe people with that kind of self hatred but I don’t want anyone on my back for being the messenger. " Thank you for sharing those terms. I shall spend some time this weekend looking them up and trying to understand those points of view. | |||
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"The closest I've come is being described as a unicorn /living sex toy for a couple.. Its dehumanising and not very nice I think a lot of people on the site are a bit like overexcited puppies, unable to control themselves and end up pissing everywhere " Me too They’re normally thinking with their little head rather than their big one | |||
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"I have indeed, both as a bisexual woman and a “BBW”, god knows I hate that term " I see you. | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. I'd never heard of the use of internalised misogyny/racism etc before but it wouldn't surprise if that did happen. How would you view those who use the terms to "own" or "take the power back"? Where would the line be? Yeah that’s tricky isn’t it, because it relies on people’s internal knowledge and political stance. There have been movements to reclaim words. Personally I don’t have any desire to “reclaim” words that have caused me trauma in the past (and have cost me expensive therapy). Like I’ll never identify as queer, or as a slut. Those are words that I feel can never shake their homophobic/misogynistic backgrounds." That last sentence is so powerful and probably why we won't get agreement across the board when it comes to those terms. To some, they will always be a reminder of the oppression they faced and to others, they want to reclaim it to show they are more powerful than any word. Either stance is completely understandable. | |||
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"Hey OP this is an interesting question. From my own perspective my own use of the site has changed. Due to threads you and others post. It's opened my eyes how much people fetishise certain attributes. And I can see the grey areas where it's ok to use cliches e.g. about redheads. So I can see why some people may think it's ok to use other clichés surrounding race for example. So I now do not comment on Redhead threads, because I don't think I should perpetuate the notion that its ok to fetishise people. I think people will on a site like this reduce people to their physical characteristics. Be it skin colour, BBW, big boobs the list goes on. And it can make you feel like other things you valve about yourself aren't important. But then I have to remind myself that it is then who are superficial not me. And those kind of people aren't for me. Yes of course I want to viewed as attractive but as a whole person. That last sentence!!! Also I have never understood being attracted to a hair colour. Not to diminish that as an attraction for people I just haven’t. Especially because it can and does change. But yeah, because people do it, I can imagine it’s something where people being obsessed over that one feature. And don’t value you as a whole, beautiful person. " I think some like a certain feature, e.g. Big boobs or pale skin. And it's perfectly fine in a general conversation to say that you like them, they're attractive to you. But sending a message asking, how big your boobs are, or you have the best tits on fab. I've never had a redhead, want to change that? Do you want to be my snowbunny? These messages are just yuk. I often wonder what these people's success rates on here actually is? Because it does nothing whatsoever for me and I can't imagine it makes anyone feel good. But I also think many of us fall into the trap of reducing ourselves to a particular feature or maybe use it as a security blanket? Be it the brainy one, the ones with very distinctive posting styles it doesn't need to be a physical feature and lap up the compliments from them. It's an interesting thread it's made me think, thank you | |||
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"Obviously as a Black person on fab I’ve had messages treating me as a fetish or a tick off a bucket list. And I suspect many other groups on here have experienced the same. Following a conversation I’d love to get thoughts on, I suppose, just dealing with this? Obviously you can’t filter it but how do you stop it impacting your worth? Personally I can pretty strong in my feelings about my racial/ ethnic identity and I know that I’m worth more and I am more desirable than these people make me feel. Is it just a process for you? Let’s talk about it. " Having read the thread, my views have been clearly expressed already. But in answer to your question how do I deal (fetishisation predominantly due to my size) - I don’t have the most healthy way of dealing to be honest, I hide: I hide behind photos that don’t reflect my size clearly so people don’t realise. I then get panicked at the point of making a connection with someone as I’ve not been fully honest yet, and share clearer pics then with the potential for rejection which if it happens feels bad but I internalise the fault as I wasn’t clear and allowed myself to get hurt. And the cycle continues. I also always wonder if someone does actually like me for me or if it is about my size (esp on a site where we are likely solely looking for sex) and if they were just intelligent enough to word things better than some on the site so that I didn’t realise: and so the internal self hatred continues. Not healthy. But, I guess understanding how I’m impacted is the first step to changing up the spiral. I guess. I cannot imagine how it would feel to be fetishised as a Black person given the fullness of history and the constant attrition of racism from many broader aspects of life than just the seeking of sex - not to diminish how its fetishisation must feel re the personal scenario of sex seeking. | |||
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"Obviously as a Black person on fab I’ve had messages treating me as a fetish or a tick off a bucket list. And I suspect many other groups on here have experienced the same. Following a conversation I’d love to get thoughts on, I suppose, just dealing with this? Obviously you can’t filter it but how do you stop it impacting your worth? Personally I can pretty strong in my feelings about my racial/ ethnic identity and I know that I’m worth more and I am more desirable than these people make me feel. Is it just a process for you? Let’s talk about it. " Yeah, I get disabled fetishists and fat fetishists and Mr KC (who is straight) gets people wanting a slim, young looking man. It's not something I want to engage with at all. Yes, I'm disabled but I don't want my wheelchair used as a fetish item. I am fat, but I don't like being fat and I don't want someone to shag me simply because I have extra adipose tissue. | |||
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"White privileged. No one in a white majority country picks me for my race When I travelled Asia, they did. And I liked it because I was basically on holiday. It was new and exciting. So that doesn’t count I’ve always thought it must suck to be black and everyone just assumes you have a huge knob. Especially if you don’t. " Yes I feel for SBC's on there. I lived in Asia - Japan and China for 13 years - and often had experiences because because I was white. Most of time I quite enjoyed it to be honest especially in China where some places I went they had hardly ever seen a white person before and I was a novelty and I was regularly the first white person somebody had slept with. There were downside as well of course - apart from outright discrimination (no white people allowed in clubs - normal as well as swinging type places in Japan) I often felt bubbling resentment from some of the Chinese or Japanese men in the vicinity. Overall though I quite enjoyed being the odd one out and I guess being fetishised for it. Certainly beats blending into the background here I know lot of white men here (and Asian) would kill for the attention black guys get. PS I am lumping China and Japan together for convenience and of course very different with Japan being a much more international and open place and sexually much more kinky and liberated especially at that time. | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me I’ve never heard ssbbw but if it means what I think it means… oh dear." It's super sized bbw yes nit a nice term at all I believe it's worse in America they love big girls over there | |||
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"I get how you feel in a way some people fetishise large women calling them bbw ssbbw etc. Personally I don't like those terms so I tend to ignore those messages. Tou are gonna get that sort of attention on any site like this or fetish site unfortunately best thing is to ignore it that works out well for me I’ve never heard ssbbw but if it means what I think it means… oh dear." __ Never come across that either but looking at sxymcsexington profile, I think it means Sensible and Sensitive Brave Beautiful Woman | |||
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"The closest I've come is being described as a unicorn /living sex toy for a couple.. Its dehumanising and not very nice I think a lot of people on the site are a bit like overexcited puppies, unable to control themselves and end up pissing everywhere " That. Is. Vile. I’m sorry that happened to you | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. " This is an excellent point. | |||
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" If we take your example of being black, I hate profiles that state BBC only, however, I also know some male profiles who use it as a way to market themselves to others and it's not my place to say that they shouldn't do that if all parties are consenting, especially with how hard it can be for guys already on here. When women use terms to define themselves in a way that is rooted in sexism we say that they have internalized misogyny. I’d be interested to read literature about if we can say the same thing about internalized racism/xenophobia. " I’ve heard the term “self-hating [fill in the blank]” plenty. | |||
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