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By (user no longer on site) OP   
36 weeks ago

??

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

I don't know if it's the same country wise but men here tend not to go out with their dicks on show!

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By *imi_RougeWoman
36 weeks ago

Portsmouth

Yes.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

36 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset

Yes. But I'd never in a million years approach someone in public.

Consent.

Discretion.

Privacy.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Yeah, saw a woman in Tesco a few times now , very recognisable from her public pics

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By *oo..Woman
36 weeks ago

Boo's World

Yes

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By *ighland couple 99Couple
36 weeks ago

Inverness

Yes

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
36 weeks ago

My boudoir - S Wales

I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon”

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

36 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon” "

At least it wasn't "hope you enjoy your cucumber".....

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
36 weeks ago

I have seen few men whilst shopping

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
36 weeks ago

My boudoir - S Wales


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon”

At least it wasn't "hope you enjoy your cucumber"..... "

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By *hatsWhatCoupleCouple
36 weeks ago

Northampton

Yep, instantly recognised them from our hotlist

Kept quiet and we all went about our day

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By *enrietteandSamCouple
36 weeks ago

Staffordshire


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon” "

Sounds fishy.

Reckon they were just trying to hook you with a line…

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By *affron40Woman
36 weeks ago

manchester

Yes. He shouted saffron over and over in Aldi.

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By *bi HaiveMan
Forum Mod

36 weeks ago

Cheeseville, Somerset


"Yes. He shouted saffron over and over in Aldi. "

I didn't know Aldi sold it?

I thought you had to hit Waitrose for that!

Every day's a school day.

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
36 weeks ago

My boudoir - S Wales


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon”

Sounds fishy.

Reckon they were just trying to hook you with a line…"

Well it definitely sank! And I’ve not been to that supermarket since!

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"??"

No !!

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
36 weeks ago

I was in pound shop looking through Mr Men books looked up seen a man off fab

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
36 weeks ago

I was in Starbucks having latte lemon drizzle cake seen man off fab

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By *elix SightedMan
36 weeks ago

Cloud 8


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon” "

Maybe you just smell of salmon

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By *issYeuxBleusWoman
36 weeks ago

My boudoir - S Wales


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon”

Maybe you just smell of salmon"

Oh, I’d never thought of that.

*puts femfresh on the shopping list*

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
36 weeks ago

Stockport

I often see someone from fab in the local Tesco, Aldi or M&S. Mind you, I do give them a lift to get there...

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By *elix SightedMan
36 weeks ago

Cloud 8


"I don't know if it's the same country wise but men here tend not to go out with their dicks on show! "

Oh we’re not shy in Berkshire. Chaps out for ladies

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By *olly_chromaticTV/TS
36 weeks ago

Stockport


"I often see someone from fab in the local Tesco, Aldi or M&S. Mind you, I do give them a lift to get there..."

I tried leaving them there but they found their way back to the car before I could drive off

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By *ongJohnSilva08Man
36 weeks ago

Right up your street


"Yes. But I'd never in a million years approach someone in public.

Consent.

Discretion.

Privacy."

This right here

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By *ongJohnSilva08Man
36 weeks ago

Right up your street


"Yes. He shouted saffron over and over in Aldi. "

Wtf…. That’s just wrong

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By *naswingdressWoman
36 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)

Sometimes yeah, pressing all the try me buttons for children and making Darth Vader noises.

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By *affron40Woman
36 weeks ago

manchester


"Yes. He shouted saffron over and over in Aldi.

I didn't know Aldi sold it?

I thought you had to hit Waitrose for that!

Every day's a school day. "

Exactly!!! He was a delight too. Obviously just a really good cook.

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By *he KinkysCouple
36 weeks ago

Edinburgh

Yes at at our local supermarket xx

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Guy came upto me in currys and mentioned he was speaking to me on here was a bit mortified but yeah I had been speaking to him didnt recognise him at 1st

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By *agneto.Man
36 weeks ago

Bham

I have. In a supermarket. She had a distinctive bum that I recognised. Didn't say anything.

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By *oshnbex30Couple
36 weeks ago

yorkshire

Yes bumped into people a few times but acted like we didn’t know them

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By *uxom redCouple
36 weeks ago

Shrewsbury

Yes a fair few ,just smiled and carried on shopping

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago


"I don't know if it's the same country wise but men here tend not to go out with their dicks on show!

Oh we’re not shy in Berkshire. Chaps out for ladies"

I'm up that way tomorrow so must go swerve by Wokingham for shopping!!!

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By *ingerSpiceBombCouple
36 weeks ago

Bedfordshire

Often wonder if some of the men looking at me are off here

I probably flag up a bit due to my status update

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By *mf123Man
36 weeks ago

with one foot out the door

I dont recognise folks in clothing

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By *iss My AxeMan
36 weeks ago

Durham

Whilst shopping, no. I've seen a few Fab members on Tiktok though

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By *oublesixesMan
36 weeks ago

Corby

I've spotted a couple of people, one who was working in a family members care home. Only saw her the once though, a pity

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By *inAndTonic21Couple
36 weeks ago

Merseyside

Yes we have

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By *ewcatWoman
36 weeks ago

Berkshire

No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

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By *ellhungvweMan
36 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them."

Good job they never read the forums!

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By *ewcatWoman
36 weeks ago

Berkshire


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!"

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

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By *viatrixWoman
36 weeks ago

Redhill

I barely see my children, the husband or even the specials signs…

I am certainly not going to see fabbers.

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By *naswingdressWoman
36 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know? "

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

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By *ewcatWoman
36 weeks ago

Berkshire


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't "

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return

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By *naswingdressWoman
36 weeks ago

Manchester (she/her)


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return "

Haha!

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Yes. She said "Omg you really do look like the photo you sent me that I ignored."

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By *illy IdolMan
36 weeks ago

Midlands


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return "

There was a girl in the office today with pink hair. I knew I should have given it a little tug

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By *ewcatWoman
36 weeks ago

Berkshire


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return

There was a girl in the office today with pink hair. I knew I should have given it a little tug"

Try it on Friday

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By *fkcpl4groupCouple
36 weeks ago

Norwich

Yes a few times never an issue.

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By *rLordMan
36 weeks ago

Swadlincote

Yes, just had a knowing eye contact. Nothing said , although a smile was evident

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By *illy IdolMan
36 weeks ago

Midlands


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return

There was a girl in the office today with pink hair. I knew I should have given it a little tug

Try it on Friday "

You may have to bail me out though if I get the wrong lady

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By *ittleMissCali_MrDJCouple
36 weeks ago

wonderland.


"??"

.yes several times I've had single guys think it's okay to come up to me whilst I was shopping and say hi I'm so and so from fab x

Cali

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By *ellhungvweMan
36 weeks ago

Cheltenham


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return

There was a girl in the office today with pink hair. I knew I should have given it a little tug

Try it on Friday

You may have to bail me out though if I get the wrong lady"

At least we will know who the fabber is on Crimewatch.

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By *erdyCurvyInkedPervyWoman
36 weeks ago

West Yorkshire

Yeah, he worked in our local Asda.

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By *he turned me GreyCouple
36 weeks ago

Warwick and Coventry

Yes buying flavored lube, wet wipes and Condoms...go figure

Mr

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By *cflirtyMan
36 weeks ago

closer than you might think

Yes , I saw a lady but wasnt 100% sure.. just smiled politely as she wasnt alone.

The next day she messaged me thanking me for being discreet! We have been friends for 2 years now.

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By *agneto.Man
36 weeks ago

Bham


"Often wonder if some of the men looking at me are off here

I probably flag up a bit due to my status update

"

That and your massive bosoms.

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By *illy IdolMan
36 weeks ago

Midlands


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them.

Good job they never read the forums!

My office location isn’t listed and I don’t have face pictures. How would they ever know?

Given how many people have incorrectly guess I work in their office, they likely wouldn't

There are a few ladies in the country who really do have pink hair. I frequently get messages saying they know it was me they saw because my pink hair is so recognisable. I send them photos of all my wigs in return

There was a girl in the office today with pink hair. I knew I should have given it a little tug

Try it on Friday

You may have to bail me out though if I get the wrong lady

At least we will know who the fabber is on Crimewatch. "

You wouldn't recognise me in a pink wig

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By *es_ivebeen_hereb4Man
36 weeks ago

I'm always around here

I don't see anybody from here, let alone while in Asda!!! Oops gave the game away where I shop now... ??

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Haven’t noticed anyone myself but I’ve had a few messages in the past saying they had seen me in xyz shop on such and such day.

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By *entleman JayMan
36 weeks ago

Wakefield

Yes. I saw a lady in a stationary shop a number of years ago. She was in Quest a few weeks before. I didn’t say a word.

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By *amoruUsagiCouple
36 weeks ago

Glasgow

Unfortunately I have seen people I know on here

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By *entleman JayMan
36 weeks ago

Wakefield

Oh and a Fabber off here, works in my local chippy. Lol.

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By *ig_eric_tionMan
36 weeks ago

IPSWICH

Yes I have.

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By *hellebelleWoman
36 weeks ago

ashford

Yeah, a few yrs ago there I was minding my own business sticking my stuff up on the belt in my local Sainsbury’s and heard, “hello Shellebelle, didn’t recognize you with your clothes on!”

A couple I know from a club that is naturist/swingers were also shopping and was queuing on the next till. The staff serving us didn’t know where to look and neither did I lol

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By *ehindHerEyesCouple
36 weeks ago

SomewhereOnlyWeKnow

I have yes, I've also had messages in the past saying I saw you at so and so

Tinder

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By *archelCouple
36 weeks ago

A field somewhere

Yes and he goes to our local swingers club most weekends as a single male. Seen him in our local Tesco's with his wife in full burka and young son in his religious garb too. Bet she's no idea where he is on a Saturday night

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By *tephenBunChowMan
36 weeks ago

Haywards heath/Waterlooville

Yes there is a lady I bumped into, I recognised her as her profile is plastered all over locally. But played it cool and be the gent.

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Yes, I’ve seen him at the butcher’s, Tesco, Sainsbury’s, a farm shop, and most often a bakery.

He even bought me star anise once.

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By *aizyWoman
36 weeks ago

west midlands

My neighbours from up the road are on here, I have seen way more of them than I intended to till I blocked them on here, I don't know where to look when I see them in the shops or the street now!

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By *ermite12ukMan
36 weeks ago

Solihull and Brentwood


"Oh and a Fabber off here, works in my local chippy. Lol. "

Is his name Elvis by any chance?

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Yes a couple from my kids school

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

A few times.was a local guy who was married and he used to fuck me every Friday while his wife was at work.used to see the pair of them in my local Tesco on saturdays.always made a rule that if I saw anyone from fab or fabswi gers out and about then I would pretend I didn't know them and I'd expect same back

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By *ust want fun 888Man
36 weeks ago

nearby

Well, I’m blind, but there is a few people on here local to me and I show my face so I dare say they recognise me but obviously I wouldn’t recognise them

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By *issyfaggotfayeTV/TS
36 weeks ago

Bolton

Not shopping but at work, i wish he'd just walk up to me and f*** me

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By *izmeCouple
36 weeks ago

Merseyside

Yes in asda we did have a fling together

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By *each_PittWoman
36 weeks ago

Belfast

No but have seen 1 in my works canteen

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Probably, because half of the guys in the Uk seem to live near me.

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By *red333Man
36 weeks ago

Dorchester

Yes

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By *ovechix69Man
36 weeks ago

north shields

Yes a few times but discreet and never talked to them

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By *inkylipsWoman
36 weeks ago

Debauchery

No I haven’t but a few have seen me, I usually get a message on here.

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By *entBarryUKMan
36 weeks ago

Ashford


"Yeah, a few yrs ago there I was minding my own business sticking my stuff up on the belt in my local Sainsbury’s and heard, “hello Shellebelle, didn’t recognize you with your clothes on!”

A couple I know from a club that is naturist/swingers were also shopping and was queuing on the next till. The staff serving us didn’t know where to look and neither did I lol "

Pmsl

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By *nightsoftheCoffeeTableCouple
36 weeks ago

Leeds

No it’s hard to judge someone’s face by their penis.

The mr

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By *ames250122Man
36 weeks ago

Worcester


"??"

I have indeed and even chatted without anyone else the wiser, even when in a social situation with groups of each other friends around. Naturally though we spoke and knew each other etc lol. Wouldn’t of if I didn’t know them but recognise them on fab, I’d just carry on about my day as I have done in the past as well x

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By *rivervaderMan
36 weeks ago

bolton

Yes but I don’t approach and say hi just in case they don’t want to be seen only say hi if I’m in a club.

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By *ustSomeDarkieMan
36 weeks ago

Salford


"I have seen few men whilst shopping "

Saw this woman going past my work. Said hello then her username

She was shocked and took it well. Chatted and met up that weekend

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By *ustSomeDarkieMan
36 weeks ago

Salford


"Yes. He shouted saffron over and over in Aldi. "

That's funny. What next

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By *irmbutfairMan
36 weeks ago

newcastle upon tyne


"No but there is a Fabber in my office.

They have face pictures up on here and I blocked them the second I realised who they were.

I will never breathe a word to them where I’ve seen them."

I had a very similar situation, but with a good friends sister. I also just blocked her. But sometimes I think about the asymmetry of the situation, like I know her secret but not visa versa.

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By *red333Man
36 weeks ago

Dorchester

Oh yes she worked on checkout hard to miss her but i never said a word, was friendly as i am always

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By *ingu and The ApeCouple
36 weeks ago

The Igloo

Haven’t spotted anyone but have been spotted. Don’t mind a message after the fact (saw you in such and such shop) but hated it when we were roaches in a local Morrisons after we moved in together. He almost ran over saying “Hi Pingu, love your pics. Do you wanna social with us sometime?” His other half looked mortified and he was told to go away. Didn’t help himself by messaging later. Was told in no uncertain terms where to go and what to do to himself.

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By *he ass man 666Man
36 weeks ago

between your legs

Someone on hot pics flashing there boobs in the car at Tesco looked at it and my car was a few cars away , if that counts lol

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By *rs grumpyWoman
36 weeks ago

motherwell

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Looking at most of the pictures on here I’m not sure they’d be displaying whilst out shopping what they are here as a point of recognition so I’m saying no

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By *eard and TattsCouple
36 weeks ago

Cwmbran

Yes it's very unnerving. One was a security guard in our shopping center just kept staring.

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By *hief_Of_AlwaysMan
36 weeks ago

London or Bedford

Yes.

She looked me dead on the eye, looked away & kept walking

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By *eard and TattsCouple
36 weeks ago

Cwmbran

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By *onameyet2Man
36 weeks ago

chorley


"I haven’t. But I got a message once when I returned from shopping saying “hope you enjoy your salmon” "

Could be a euphemism?

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By (user no longer on site)
36 weeks ago

Nope

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By *vlizTV/TS
36 weeks ago

merseyside and anglesey

Not while shopping but when in a country park with the kids, he had all his kids with him, I had a session with him a few days earlier, we both just said hiya, how ya doing, no embarrassment, or feeling awkward, and carried on our way

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By *icknmix500Man
36 weeks ago

South Gloucestershire

Yes in Tesco's

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By *pandjMan
36 weeks ago

helston

One who actually worked the checkout at Tesco and bumped into her after I had been round her house to fuck her while she gagged on her husband's dick.

Another local had pics of her face blurred but when I recognised her out shopping by her unique hair style and colour.

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By *pandjMan
36 weeks ago

helston

Obviously didn't chat to either of them.

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By *hirleyMan
36 weeks ago

somewhere

Was in sainsburys, I only popped in for a few bits and it wasn't one that I'd say either of us lived near, then in the bread section noticed someone who'd paused and looking at me. We'd been chatting (this was on my old profile a while ago) for a bit, said hello and the usual pleasantries chatted for 5, then never seen since, don't think they're on here anymore.

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By (user no longer on site) OP   
35 weeks ago


"One who actually worked the checkout at Tesco and bumped into her after I had been round her house to fuck her while she gagged on her husband's dick.

Another local had pics of her face blurred but when I recognised her out shopping by her unique hair style and colour.

"

I didn't ask what you done sexually

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By *iger4uWoman
35 weeks ago

In my happy place

Yes... a single fab guy,...

Hand in hand with the Mrs an m and s...

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By *r_PinkMan
35 weeks ago

london stratford

Not while out shopping but many years ago, when I was a multi drop delivery driver, I was delivering at this school and recognized the lady who signed for the package. THE LOOK OF HORROR in her eyes was priceless. I acted like I did not know her, gave her the box, wished her a good day and left.

Later that night I got a message from her asking if that was me! when I said yes, she thanked me for not saying anything and said he owed me (her and her husband met me at a fetish club and she gave me a thank you BJ, even though they only went with couples).

As you can imagen. I did not complain.

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By *p4Fun7070Man
35 weeks ago

Leven

Yeah I was in my local chippy getting fish n chips a couple of weeks ago and a woman whose on here was in the queue behind me

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By *igboobstCouple
35 weeks ago

barrow

Yeah regularly bump into another couple we've chatted to in asda

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By *mrmarkMan
35 weeks ago

tavistock

Saw a lovely lady on the school run, all prim and proper. She still on here and profile hot.

Couple who live around corner from me too

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By *udandBryanCouple
35 weeks ago

Boston

We've not seen anyone recently, but often get spotted apparently. Perhaps it's because we're fairly distinctive

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By *ittle. BeaverWoman
35 weeks ago

Launceston

Yes many years ago. A single male I'd had a meet with, who I didn't really want to repeat. Very awkward, I didn't know what to say so pretended I didn't know him and walked by. Still feel a bit guilty for blanking the poor fella!

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By *tephenBunChowMan
23 weeks ago

Haywards heath/Waterlooville

Yes I recognised a lady that participates in Barry's gang bangs in town. She accidentally walked into me and apologised.

Just casually walked passed saying no worries

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By *iddle ManMan
23 weeks ago

Walsall

Yes, but as always, outside of the scene, people have a right to privacy and I would never say a word even talk to the person unless they spoke to me.

You never know people's situation so leave them in peace.

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By *ormalcouple1974Couple
23 weeks ago

plymouth

No but lots of people see me in my job

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By *mizhereMan
23 weeks ago

Thane area

Never a knowledge a playmate they deserve not to be pestered unless they start the conversation

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By *agatoXXXMan
23 weeks ago

A Place Where Time Runs Slow

Yes.

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By *he ass man 666Man
23 weeks ago

between your legs

Saw the guy with the silhouette face , buying beans and Cadbury’s creme egg’s multi pack as-well It was , flash git

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By *red333Man
23 weeks ago

Dorchester

I have seen quite a few but i generally smile and move along

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By *nj6969Couple
23 weeks ago

Grimsby

Bumped into past meets a few times, the cheeky smile and wink and then carry on.

Got recognised by hubby's mate once and he begged to play, eventually gave it and invited him for an evening xx

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Central

There was the woman who had the message about being seen, reminding her that she buys Warburton bread

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By (user no longer on site)
23 weeks ago

I see that fab ice lolly alot that people use in there pics if that counts

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By *eard and TattsCouple
23 weeks ago

Cwmbran

Some one Shouted out tats when I was in town and Had a message of someone saying, I see your juicy a** getting on the bus.

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By *agnar73Man
23 weeks ago

Glasgow

Maybe I have, maybe I haven’t

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Horsham

Loads of times.

I saw them, recognised them, and did nothing. I let them go about thier day, enjoying it.

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By *uzie69xTV/TS
23 weeks ago

Maidstone

One of my fuck buddies got a local FabGuy over one Sunday morning and the three of us played...

That week I saw him in our local Lidl and he was with a pregnant woman. I was super discreet but I felt embarrassed and awful...

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By (user no longer on site)
23 weeks ago

I wuld think most people are off fab whilst they are shopping, after all, it's difficult enough trying to find where things have been moved to without the distraction of reading these threads

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