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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? " Check out the data on Scotland. My theory is that anyone who immigrated to the UK from a warm country rules us out because it’s too cold. | |||
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"Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)?" Yes. "Would you recommend it as a place to live for others?" Mostly, no, and I am desperate to move away. | |||
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"Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Yes. Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Mostly, no, and I am desperate to move away." Come to Scotland! | |||
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"I sometimes find affordability usurps the importance of cultural diversity." Obviously. My hesitation around moving isn’t solely tied up in diversity. My entire family and support system for my 3 year old also live here. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Check out the data on Scotland. My theory is that anyone who immigrated to the UK from a warm country rules us out because it’s too cold. " I don’t know where to look for Scotland? The ONS census data wasn’t inclusive of Scotland | |||
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"Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Yes. Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Mostly, no, and I am desperate to move away. Come to Scotland!" I'd seriously consider it except it's too cold for me too! | |||
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"I sometimes find affordability usurps the importance of cultural diversity. Obviously. My hesitation around moving isn’t solely tied up in diversity. My entire family and support system for my 3 year old also live here. " Come to Scotland. With the equity you can release from your house you can employ a full time nanny. | |||
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"Yes I did. When I moved from Lambeth to Staines i noticed the demographic was the total opposite despite Staines being inside the M25. I'm very conscious of it but it's not a chip on my shoulder. " Is Staines much cheaper? Than Lambeth it probably is but much cheaper than London in general do you think? | |||
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"Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Yes. Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Mostly, no, and I am desperate to move away. Come to Scotland! I'd seriously consider it except it's too cold for me too!" We’re destined to forever be the whitest part of the UK because of our rubbish weather. | |||
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"I sometimes find affordability usurps the importance of cultural diversity. Obviously. My hesitation around moving isn’t solely tied up in diversity. My entire family and support system for my 3 year old also live here. Come to Scotland. With the equity you can release from your house you can employ a full time nanny." 
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? " Yes and yes. London is like no other place, I love it so much. I love the way London looks, the way it doesn’t give AF and let’s you do you, even the way it votes (sadly so different to much of the U.K.). | |||
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"I sometimes find affordability usurps the importance of cultural diversity. Obviously. My hesitation around moving isn’t solely tied up in diversity. My entire family and support system for my 3 year old also live here. Come to Scotland. With the equity you can release from your house you can employ a full time nanny.
My partner and I have discussed Scotland"Bro!! Do you know how cold it is up there? | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Yes and yes. London is like no other place, I love it so much. I love the way London looks, the way it doesn’t give AF and let’s you do you, even the way it votes (sadly so different to much of the U.K.). " Have to agree with this. Some many people come to London and can be themselves. | |||
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"London is too expensive for most migrants and moving outside the London boroughs is becoming for norm. Surrey, Reading and the coast are becoming very attractive options now. " I live near to Hertfordshire and parts of Essex. They’re not attractive places to live in terms of diversity but they’re cheaper and closer to family than if I moved further out. The lack of diversity will definitely suck and my experiences in places like Hertfordshire make me hesitant but who can really afford to rent/ buy in London these days with a family | |||
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"London is too expensive for most migrants and moving outside the London boroughs is becoming for norm. Surrey, Reading and the coast are becoming very attractive options now. I live near to Hertfordshire and parts of Essex. They’re not attractive places to live in terms of diversity but they’re cheaper and closer to family than if I moved further out. The lack of diversity will definitely suck and my experiences in places like Hertfordshire make me hesitant but who can really afford to rent/ buy in London these days with a family" Move to my road Steve! I’ll look after ya! | |||
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"Oddly with regards diversity of a wider area, you find pockets of a particular ethnicity in certain areas. New malden in Surrey is an example of this regarding the number of Korean inhabitants. Some ethnic groups like to be close to others of the same which kind of negates the multiculturalism of an area. Basically you should be able to live wherever you want, regardless of ethnicity, and encounter no negatives relating to it. I know, I'm just too optimistic. "Well yeah. And I imagine many parts of the Jewish community moving to Canvey Island is another example. I think it’s ok for minorities communities to want to be close to people like them. In fact it makes perfect sense. | |||
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"London is too expensive for most migrants and moving outside the London boroughs is becoming for norm. Surrey, Reading and the coast are becoming very attractive options now. I live near to Hertfordshire and parts of Essex. They’re not attractive places to live in terms of diversity but they’re cheaper and closer to family than if I moved further out. The lack of diversity will definitely suck and my experiences in places like Hertfordshire make me hesitant but who can really afford to rent/ buy in London these days with a family Move to my road Steve! I’ll look after ya!" we can cook each other dinner. That would be cute | |||
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"Oddly with regards diversity of a wider area, you find pockets of a particular ethnicity in certain areas. New malden in Surrey is an example of this regarding the number of Korean inhabitants. Some ethnic groups like to be close to others of the same which kind of negates the multiculturalism of an area. Basically you should be able to live wherever you want, regardless of ethnicity, and encounter no negatives relating to it. I know, I'm just too optimistic.
Well yeah. And I imagine many parts of the Jewish community moving to Canvey Island is another example.
I think it’s ok for minorities communities to want to be close to people like them. In fact it makes perfect sense. "It absolutely does. But at the heart of multiculturalism is integration amongst all the residents. Some people, and groups, actively work against this. Which is sad. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Yes and yes. London is like no other place, I love it so much. I love the way London looks, the way it doesn’t give AF and let’s you do you, even the way it votes (sadly so different to much of the U.K.). " It’s gorgeous. I wish I could live here forever. I mean maybe when I’m like 70 and I inherit some property here I’ll come back and enjoy retirement  | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Yes and yes. London is like no other place, I love it so much. I love the way London looks, the way it doesn’t give AF and let’s you do you, even the way it votes (sadly so different to much of the U.K.). It’s gorgeous. I wish I could live here forever. I mean maybe when I’m like 70 and I inherit some property here I’ll come back and enjoy retirement "(slightly off topic) Isn't it a sign of a successful, sustainable society that so many of us say things like "after my relatives die, I'll be able to afford things" | |||
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"I don't necessarily think about the diversity of my area, no. White privilege, I guess. I'd guess my immediate area is super white. I've been involved in my (very local) community and we do try to make people more aware of broader issues - have done/ helped with Black Lives Matter and LGBT related presentations for elderly people, for example. I'd recommend my area as one where residents deliberately try to create a sense of community - but specifically on diversity, I'd doubly recommend it because I know first-hand that we're continually trying to do better." I don’t just mean ethnic diversity. But Manchester (where your location is) seems great for lots of communities. I like it a lot. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? " Yes I do. I feel where I live in Herts has just right level of diversity, obviously pre dominantly white but lots of small communities of Asian, lot of Portuguese & Brazilians. If my jiu jitsu class are a microcosm of the area then it's very diverse. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? Yes and yes. London is like no other place, I love it so much. I love the way London looks, the way it doesn’t give AF and let’s you do you, even the way it votes (sadly so different to much of the U.K.). It’s gorgeous. I wish I could live here forever. I mean maybe when I’m like 70 and I inherit some property here I’ll come back and enjoy retirement
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Isn't it a sign of a successful, sustainable society that so many of us say things like "after my relatives die, I'll be able to afford things""lol yep. Such a great society | |||
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"Oddly with regards diversity of a wider area, you find pockets of a particular ethnicity in certain areas. New malden in Surrey is an example of this regarding the number of Korean inhabitants. Some ethnic groups like to be close to others of the same which kind of negates the multiculturalism of an area. Basically you should be able to live wherever you want, regardless of ethnicity, and encounter no negatives relating to it. I know, I'm just too optimistic.
Well yeah. And I imagine many parts of the Jewish community moving to Canvey Island is another example.
I think it’s ok for minorities communities to want to be close to people like them. In fact it makes perfect sense. "Is this really happening? Jewish Community moving to CW? Very smart move. | |||
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"I don't necessarily think about the diversity of my area, no. White privilege, I guess. I'd guess my immediate area is super white. I've been involved in my (very local) community and we do try to make people more aware of broader issues - have done/ helped with Black Lives Matter and LGBT related presentations for elderly people, for example. I'd recommend my area as one where residents deliberately try to create a sense of community - but specifically on diversity, I'd doubly recommend it because I know first-hand that we're continually trying to do better. I don’t just mean ethnic diversity. But Manchester (where your location is) seems great for lots of communities. I like it a lot. " Sorry - obviously in context my mind went straight there. There are good and bad bits like anywhere else! But as a regional city I think we do pretty well. | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities " But I mean more than just ethnic diversity. I’m talking about ethnic diversity but my question is about diversity in general | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? " . From a personal perspective I wouldn’t move to Essex places near Clacton or Southend unless they have changed from my first experience 15 years ago when I went to visit family.Been followed by a security guard when doing a supermarket shop getting to the till and the security guard standing at the end of the till.The checkout girl asking if the debit card I was paying with is mine these things don’t happen to me in London but did in Essex. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? . From a personal perspective I wouldn’t move to Essex places near Clacton or Southend unless they have changed from my first experience 15 years ago when I went to visit family.Been followed by a security guard when doing a supermarket shop getting to the till and the security guard standing at the end of the till.The checkout girl asking if the debit card I was paying with is mine these things don’t happen to me in London but did in Essex." Lol that happened to me here when first moved here 20 years ago, ironically he was black. Even more ironically my mate was a white policeman | |||
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"According to the census of 2011....very white Tinder " Of which is a large Scottish descent and London (industry brought them here) Now we have a growing Eastern European population which is bring lots of different things to the town | |||
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"I lived in London for 12 years and loved it. I wish I'd never left. I can't afford to move back now." I fear we are all being pushed away with the cost of living. Housing prices are diverse too. A system that for many fails. | |||
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"Oddly with regards diversity of a wider area, you find pockets of a particular ethnicity in certain areas. New malden in Surrey is an example of this regarding the number of Korean inhabitants. Some ethnic groups like to be close to others of the same which kind of negates the multiculturalism of an area. Basically you should be able to live wherever you want, regardless of ethnicity, and encounter no negatives relating to it. I know, I'm just too optimistic.
Well yeah. And I imagine many parts of the Jewish community moving to Canvey Island is another example.
I think it’s ok for minorities communities to want to be close to people like them. In fact it makes perfect sense.
It absolutely does. But at the heart of multiculturalism is integration amongst all the residents. Some people, and groups, actively work against this. Which is sad.
"I think sad in some ways but like I said, understandable. I think it’s one of those things where communities provide a lot of safety and a lot of important cultural familiarity and support. Especially important for migrants. I said on a thread once, but not being able to get my haircut in Loughborough (when I was studying there, it might be different now) and having to go to Leicester was an inconvenience and a small reason why living somewhere with a reasonably big Black community feels ideal to me. Also food was another factor. | |||
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I've also found that people like to learn, enjoy that - take my hair for example.
Sure, I've had times where I've clearly explained my hair texture, I've gone in for a consultation only to be told I'd be better going to Manchester. I've also found hairdressers who want to learn; one is a friend now and excitedly tells me about courses she's going on. Recommends products etc.
In terms of diversity and visibility there's been a real push in recent years - they have a little Pride now. Do various events to promote other cultures, sexualities etc.
I think that for me personally, it's perhaps a bit easier to be accepted? I'm not sure how to phrase this so I won't go too much in to it. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? . From a personal perspective I wouldn’t move to Essex places near Clacton or Southend unless they have changed from my first experience 15 years ago when I went to visit family.Been followed by a security guard when doing a supermarket shop getting to the till and the security guard standing at the end of the till.The checkout girl asking if the debit card I was paying with is mine these things don’t happen to me in London but did in Essex." My experience of places like Clacton in the last 10 years would probably put me off. And my experiences in parts of Hertfordshire in the last 2 years would too. But never say never I guess | |||
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"London is too expensive for most migrants and moving outside the London boroughs is becoming for norm. Surrey, Reading and the coast are becoming very attractive options now. I live near to Hertfordshire and parts of Essex. They’re not attractive places to live in terms of diversity but they’re cheaper and closer to family than if I moved further out. The lack of diversity will definitely suck and my experiences in places like Hertfordshire make me hesitant but who can really afford to rent/ buy in London these days with a family Move to my road Steve! I’ll look after ya! we can cook each other dinner. That would be cute"Aw yeah  | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? . From a personal perspective I wouldn’t move to Essex places near Clacton or Southend unless they have changed from my first experience 15 years ago when I went to visit family.Been followed by a security guard when doing a supermarket shop getting to the till and the security guard standing at the end of the till.The checkout girl asking if the debit card I was paying with is mine these things don’t happen to me in London but did in Essex. My experience of places like Clacton in the last 10 years would probably put me off. And my experiences in parts of Hertfordshire in the last 2 years would too. But never say never I guess" . I can’t see myself moving to Clacton or Southend to be with family but I can see myself moving to Hertfordshire the part of Cheshunt , borders of Goffs Oak and Cuffley. | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all." Derby is a beautiful place. | |||
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"Chinese money is pushing up prices in Sheffield for all especially rental and properties The Chinese students come from very wealthy backgrounds. " This is so true. | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. " Derbyshire is a beautiful place | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place" Whoa whoa, Joe. We don't need anymore competition up this way. I'd stay down there OP, your family are settled | |||
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"And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. " The people living in commuter belt outposts like Essex & Kent contains many of the people (or grandchildren of) who used to live in London, but moved out to get away from people like my grandparents when they immigrated here in the 1960s, so that attitude is not surprising. | |||
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"And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. The people living in commuter belt outposts like Essex & Kent contains many of the people (or grandchildren of) who used to live in London, but moved out to get away from people like my grandparents when they immigrated here in the 1960s, so that attitude is not surprising. " That’s a thought I guess. The comments under the tweet really shocked me but also didn’t at the same time. I think you have your prejudices about areas in terms of racists that live there sometimes but still shit to be right. I slyly hope I’m always wrong and everyone everywhere is lovely. | |||
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"There’s hardly any diversity in our neck of the woods, I don’t see that this has changed much since I can remember either. I don’t know what the reason is for this considering the huge number of global employers within a 40 mile radius. My daughter is in her first year at uni in Manchester and loves how multi cultural the city is. Her only observation is that ethnic groups don’t seem to mix so I think this needs to change for everyone. The students from various backgrounds stay in a circle of what they’re comfortable with I mean, us Welsh are even mixing with the English these days "Probably the big test for Manchester, to be honest (I live in an area with at least overflow of students) is seeing what it's like in the summer when all the undergraduates have gone home. It's certainly a lot quieter, and my bet is it would change the character for those who need to be aware of it. | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place" Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it" It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there. | |||
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"Reading is a really diverse place, a lot of new food chains usually trial Reading first as it’s a really good cross category of age/gender/race apparently!" I have lived in Reading all my life. In the same house now for just over forty years. Yes it has changed a lot. I would say now it has become a suburb of outer London. ? Especially driving up the M4 . Used to be mostly fields from Reading to Slough . Now commercial and housing. In my road near me . There are families who have mostly moved out from London. Their families are originally from. India, Pakistan, China, Italy Lithuanian and others . So diverse compared to families living in road when I moved in. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? " I do... I live in a area that is 99% white, 99% Christian , probably 99% heterosexual and I'm very aware of it and feel some diversity would be of massive benefit. Like you I feel I'm living in a bubble ... | |||
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"There’s hardly any diversity in our neck of the woods, I don’t see that this has changed much since I can remember either. I don’t know what the reason is for this considering the huge number of global employers within a 40 mile radius. My daughter is in her first year at uni in Manchester and loves how multi cultural the city is. Her only observation is that ethnic groups don’t seem to mix so I think this needs to change for everyone. The students from various backgrounds stay in a circle of what they’re comfortable with I mean, us Welsh are even mixing with the English these days
Probably the big test for Manchester, to be honest (I live in an area with at least overflow of students) is seeing what it's like in the summer when all the undergraduates have gone home. It's certainly a lot quieter, and my bet is it would change the character for those who need to be aware of it."Yes! Trouble is, in student dense areas, there’ll still be lots of foreign under grads who stay in the UK as can’t afford to travel between home and uni. Wonder if she’ll open her eyes enough to notice
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"There’s hardly any diversity in our neck of the woods, I don’t see that this has changed much since I can remember either. I don’t know what the reason is for this considering the huge number of global employers within a 40 mile radius. My daughter is in her first year at uni in Manchester and loves how multi cultural the city is. Her only observation is that ethnic groups don’t seem to mix so I think this needs to change for everyone. The students from various backgrounds stay in a circle of what they’re comfortable with I mean, us Welsh are even mixing with the English these days
Probably the big test for Manchester, to be honest (I live in an area with at least overflow of students) is seeing what it's like in the summer when all the undergraduates have gone home. It's certainly a lot quieter, and my bet is it would change the character for those who need to be aware of it.
Yes! Trouble is, in student dense areas, there’ll still be lots of foreign under grads who stay in the UK as can’t afford to travel between home and uni. Wonder if she’ll open her eyes enough to notice
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there." I think I'm the opposite of you. I'd prefer to have all those beautiful landscapes on my doorstep and get the train the otherway | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there. I think I'm the opposite of you. I'd prefer to have all those beautiful landscapes on my doorstep and get the train the otherway" Fair enough. I look for the people and local resources (community, infrastructure, etc). I don't mind travelling if I want to see beautiful landscapes. | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there. I think I'm the opposite of you. I'd prefer to have all those beautiful landscapes on my doorstep and get the train the otherway Fair enough. I look for the people and local resources (community, infrastructure, etc). I don't mind travelling if I want to see beautiful landscapes." Yeah that's fair enough. We all have different preferences | |||
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"Reading is a really diverse place, a lot of new food chains usually trial Reading first as it’s a really good cross category of age/gender/race apparently!" Yeah we chased chick-fil-a back to America for being owned by bigots. | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there." Lol trains !!! So you go to Buxton(if they’re running) then walk lol | |||
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"I wouldn't really recommend anyone live in Derby, mainly because it's more an industrial city that probably prides itself being more working class that can pigeonhole you if you have any kind of ambition. Ethnically though, I reckon it's rather diverse but still lacks behind in other criteria if diversity if that makes any sense at all. Derby is a beautiful place. Derbyshire is a beautiful place Well bits are… but if you look under the surface even in the peak park, as well as a lack of ethnic diversity there’s also big socio-ecconomic divisions. Beautiful but I would necessarily recommend it It really depends on the meaning of beauty. I wouldn't choose an area to live in on the basis of its landscapes. This is why trains exist - so you can go there. Lol trains !!! So you go to Buxton(if they’re running) then walk lol" Yup. Walking in Derbyshire is wonderful. And in the meantime I live in a place that has what I need. | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? I do... I live in a area that is 99% white, 99% Christian , probably 99% heterosexual and I'm very aware of it and feel some diversity would be of massive benefit. Like you I feel I'm living in a bubble ..." Ha, my friend in Workington is half black American, half Chinese, Kenyan husband and their Chinese girlfriend. They hated living in London but are having the time of their lives there. She says it's becoming more diverse bc of the decommissioning of Sellafield, it's brought more ethnically diverse professionals. | |||
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"I don't necessarily think about the diversity of my area, no. White privilege, I guess. I'd guess my immediate area is super white. I've been involved in my (very local) community and we do try to make people more aware of broader issues - have done/ helped with Black Lives Matter and LGBT related presentations for elderly people, for example. I'd recommend my area as one where residents deliberately try to create a sense of community - but specifically on diversity, I'd doubly recommend it because I know first-hand that we're continually trying to do better. I don’t just mean ethnic diversity. But Manchester (where your location is) seems great for lots of communities. I like it a lot. " Manchester (the city region and the actual city) is diverse, but it's diverse in pockets or areas. Some areas like diversity of much/any kind. Our current area is fairly lacking in obvious diversity and yes, I've noticed. Our son's ex also noticed and was a bit self conscious but never experienced any issues here. If you look closely, there is some diversity in certain areas, but as a whole, we are very much living in white Britain here. Our day jobs very much are counter to that though! Although I am not 100% white British (only 80%, according to my genes ), I look like I am and so I really don't know if the lack of evident diversity in this particular area means people experience racism or not...... | |||
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"Of diversity that so many of us take for granted. I kinda knew this already but with the reality of how expensive living in London is and thinking of places to live outside of London it’s tough to find a place like it in that sense. I looked, for work, at the ONS data on ethnicity and you can see breakdowns by area across the country in boroughs and even in wards and London is like no other place in the country. Manchester and Birmingham aren’t really even close in terms of ethnic diversity which did shock me a bit. And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. I know I bang on about being Black a lot so feel free to skip by this thread if that exhausts you. Anyway here’s my post (TLDR)- Do you think about the diversity of where you live (Not just from an ethnic perspective but a general one)? Would you recommend it as a place to live for others? I do... I live in a area that is 99% white, 99% Christian , probably 99% heterosexual and I'm very aware of it and feel some diversity would be of massive benefit. Like you I feel I'm living in a bubble ... Ha, my friend in Workington is half black American, half Chinese, Kenyan husband and their Chinese girlfriend. They hated living in London but are having the time of their lives there. She says it's becoming more diverse bc of the decommissioning of Sellafield, it's brought more ethnically diverse professionals." Haha...they are definitely in the 1% but I'm pleased they are enjoying being here. I do wonder if being so un diverse is a barrier in itself... But clearly not for them . | |||
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"Where is live is about as diverse as a house brick " Up here, we have Accrington red brick. There's also bricks with speckled bits and grey bricks used in driveways and stuff. I'm always a little surprised at how different London terraces feel, as they're made from that yellowy brick. I'm unclear if as diverse as a brick means diverse or not | |||
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"Where is live is about as diverse as a house brick Up here, we have Accrington red brick. There's also bricks with speckled bits and grey bricks used in driveways and stuff. I'm always a little surprised at how different London terraces feel, as they're made from that yellowy brick. I'm unclear if as diverse as a brick means diverse or not "Yeah so I meant not diverse at all but that was a shit analogy | |||
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"And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. The people living in commuter belt outposts like Essex & Kent contains many of the people (or grandchildren of) who used to live in London, but moved out to get away from people like my grandparents when they immigrated here in the 1960s, so that attitude is not surprising. " In those days there was a lot of class prejudice between white people themselves. The upper class white people really looked down on working class white people. Just recently I was watching a series set in the 70's called GEORGE And MIlDRED and when they moved to a posh area they are really looked down on by their posh white neighbour. The things being said about the lower class white people then in turn gets used against foreign people by the white people who themselves were picked on. This is to divert attention from themselves. Or can be seen as generational trauma. Same with Indian people, they have a caste system, the prejudice within that is unbelievable. And that is still inbedded in 3rd, 4th generation Indians born here towards each other. | |||
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"And then I saw a tweet today about moving to Essex and Kent and the diversity there and the replies were just lol. Full of racism. The people living in commuter belt outposts like Essex & Kent contains many of the people (or grandchildren of) who used to live in London, but moved out to get away from people like my grandparents when they immigrated here in the 1960s, so that attitude is not surprising. In those days there was a lot of class prejudice between white people themselves. The upper class white people really looked down on working class white people. Just recently I was watching a series set in the 70's called GEORGE And MIlDRED and when they moved to a posh area they are really looked down on by their posh white neighbour. The things being said about the lower class white people then in turn gets used against foreign people by the white people who themselves were picked on. This is to divert attention from themselves. Or can be seen as generational trauma. Same with Indian people, they have a caste system, the prejudice within that is unbelievable. And that is still inbedded in 3rd, 4th generation Indians born here towards each other." Even though London is diverse there is probably more prejudice between people of the same colour towards one another than people of different colour towards each other. I.e. earlier arrivals of foreign people in the 60's and 70's don't like the recent arrival of people from the same country their parents, grandparents came from. | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities " I currently live in an area that’s West African, Filipino, Pakistani and Indian. I don’t feel out of place - We’re all immigrants , 85% of the population are. Difference is there’s no crime, 100% employment , great transport and healthcare for everyone. Similar area in the uk would be a ghetto ! | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities I currently live in an area that’s West African, Filipino, Pakistani and Indian. I don’t feel out of place - We’re all immigrants , 85% of the population are. Difference is there’s no crime, 100% employment , great transport and healthcare for everyone. Similar area in the uk would be a ghetto ! " Yeah, it's rosy for all concerned: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/03/i-am-starving-the-migrant-workers-abandoned-by-dubai-employers https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/12/revealed-allegations-of-abuse-and-captivity-without-pay-at-uaes-lucrative-recruitment-agencies https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/19/vergie-tamfungan-filipina-migrant-worker-death-uae | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities I currently live in an area that’s West African, Filipino, Pakistani and Indian. I don’t feel out of place - We’re all immigrants , 85% of the population are. Difference is there’s no crime, 100% employment , great transport and healthcare for everyone. Similar area in the uk would be a ghetto ! Yeah, it's rosy for all concerned: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/03/i-am-starving-the-migrant-workers-abandoned-by-dubai-employers https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/12/revealed-allegations-of-abuse-and-captivity-without-pay-at-uaes-lucrative-recruitment-agencies https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/19/vergie-tamfungan-filipina-migrant-worker-death-uae" The guardian. Try a real news site or see for yourself by living in a country . Also uk has some of the worse immigrant conditions, human trafficking and forced prostitution is rife.open your eyes | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities I currently live in an area that’s West African, Filipino, Pakistani and Indian. I don’t feel out of place - We’re all immigrants , 85% of the population are. Difference is there’s no crime, 100% employment , great transport and healthcare for everyone. Similar area in the uk would be a ghetto ! " I felt really out of place. There were streets I wasn’t allowed down at night Sounds nice where you are | |||
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"In a country where 81% of people are white, I don’t think about it So my opinions on this suck and are pointless I’ve lived in places where white people were the minority. I felt out of place. I hope other find what they need in their communities I currently live in an area that’s West African, Filipino, Pakistani and Indian. I don’t feel out of place - We’re all immigrants , 85% of the population are. Difference is there’s no crime, 100% employment , great transport and healthcare for everyone. Similar area in the uk would be a ghetto ! Yeah, it's rosy for all concerned: https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2020/sep/03/i-am-starving-the-migrant-workers-abandoned-by-dubai-employers https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/12/revealed-allegations-of-abuse-and-captivity-without-pay-at-uaes-lucrative-recruitment-agencies https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2023/oct/19/vergie-tamfungan-filipina-migrant-worker-death-uae The guardian. Try a real news site or see for yourself by living in a country . Also uk has some of the worse immigrant conditions, human trafficking and forced prostitution is rife.open your eyes " You know perfectly well I work with students from the UAE (and elsewhere). The attitude of the average Emerati to teachers who are of Indian sub continental heritage is very telling. I'll give you a clue - it's not positive. People used to having their every need and whim catered to by a certain group of people don't like that group of people telling them not to be late or to put their phones away in class. I know perfectly well what the craic is in Dubai for migrants workers. Yes, there are some in well paid jobs who live relatively comfortably, but not the domestic workers, the construction workers, the labourers etc. | |||
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"I work for a very large organisation. I am currently conducting a research survey, at the end of the survey we have an about you section. We have this so we can see which voices we are hearing and which sectors of our community we are not hearing from. We also need this because the lived experience of a 32yr old Asian lesbian (random example) will be entirely different from a 60 yr old white male. So far 79% of the voices are 55years plus white Christian males. They are utterly outraged at my ‘about you’ questions and feel that sexuality, ethnicity, religion, age and disability have absolutely no impact on the life experiences or answers to the questionnaire. TL: DR The area I live in has low diversity and lots of older cis het white males. " Ask the same males what they think about sexual promiscuous behaviour they will be outraged, ask if they have ever done anything in their life like that, or seen a woman naked who is not their wife. you'll probably get an embarrassed silence. We humans are hypocritical. | |||
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"I've moved from London to outside & it's just so different there was loads of different races around & now I feel i stick out because I'm 1 of few non-whites. It's weird when you grow up all you know is multiculturalism compared to this" I did my dissertation on racism at my university and the people I interviewed said this too. It’s the culture shock. I found it myself. But like I went from being in places where I’m used to seeing people of colour to being the only person of colour in a room a lot. And I’ve deliberately said person of colour and not Black person here. | |||
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