FabSwingers.com forum: Young Doctors

By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

A classic example of Entitled,Selfish,greedy Gen Z.

Now,had they said

10% for us and x amount of recruits,yeah,absolutely

But no

Me,me,me

They get a raise

Then strike for more staff but they took all the money for it.

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM"

Zoomers

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I don’t even know where to begin with this

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

I'm glad we can solve the crises in the NHS with a cry of "kids these days!!!!"

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By *reative-mindMan
over a year ago

Exeter

What the fuck is a zoomer?

I mean if I could get 10% more in my job and I was deserving of it then I wouldn't turn it down even if it was a remote chance of it.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM"

What point are you trying to make.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I'm glad we can solve the crises in the NHS with a cry of "kids these days!!!!""

I feel like the issues older people have with younger people are quite problematic. Not gonna call it ageism. But it’s grim and problematic. And it’s rife on here. Like sorry that I exist as a younger human being.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM

What point are you trying to make. "

Probably that the mention of gen z was a silly one for the OP to make. I imagine anyway.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

OP wants to pay them more

. As they should be

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM

What point are you trying to make. "

"Old man yells at cloud"

LvM

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

"I'm glad we can solve the crises in the NHS with a cry of "kids these days!!!!"

The audacity...

LvM

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Gen Z are aged between 11 and 26. That's very young isn't it? Nor does it cover the majority of "junior doctors".

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Gen Z are aged between 11 and 26. That's very young isn't it? Nor does it cover the majority of "junior doctors"."

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By *heFabtasticsCouple
over a year ago

brentwood

Take the 10% back and give it to the tube drivers as that’s a bunch of heroes that really deserve to get a massive pay rise life savers every one of them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just waiting for the Milleniual bashing next. Bloody young people. Wanting to be paid their worth ahd treated well. "Back in my day..."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Take the 10% back and give it to the tube drivers as that’s a bunch of heroes that really deserve to get a massive pay rise life savers every one of them

No shade on tube drivers, but don't you think DOCTORS also save lives?

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By *naswingdressWoman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I'm glad we can solve the crises in the NHS with a cry of "kids these days!!!!"

Oh, agreed. I'm on your side on this one (and depending on how problematic the person is, I'm still a young person according to them, because... I dunno, reasons. If we pretend that people under 40 are literal children, we don't have to take them seriously or pay them, and we get to pretend that it's still the 90s)

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM

What point are you trying to make.

"Old man yells at cloud"

LvM"

Good point... Well made.

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By *anJenny 181Couple
over a year ago

Preston

I believe the start pay for a junior doctor is £15ph & they are asking for £20ph so the reality is they are not asking for a lot of money.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ah yes, as we all know: 100% of doctors are zoomers... also, I have no idea what point you're trying to make

LvM

What point are you trying to make.

"Old man yells at cloud"

LvM"

Stop stealing my patter

P.s. who cares if I also stole it

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By *MisschiefxTV/TS
over a year ago

London

"A classic example of Entitled,Selfish,greedy Gen Z.

Now,had they said

10% for us and x amount of recruits,yeah,absolutely

But no

Me,me,me

They get a raise

Then strike for more staff but they took all the money for it."

Easy to criticise things you have absolutely no idea about.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

In common with most NHS staff on-the-ground staff they haven’t had a real-terms pay rise for a decade or so - junior doctor pay has pretty much stagnated when you look at it against other skilled professions There aren’t really many other in-country options so the wage competition isn’t there.

I don’t blame them tbh. They all work exceptionally hard.

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By *dd_soxMan
over a year ago

Suffolk

The doctors' have accepted the pay rises given over the past 10 years or so. To come back to effectively renegotiate (being generous here) - isn't on in my view.

Should they get paid more? Yes. Is this the way to do it? I don't think so.

The NHS needs more money; there is only so much that can be put into the system... I'd prefer to expand the number of workers to provide capacity and gentle uplift in salaries for all. Simply paying more doesn't solve the backlog without capacity increase.

Starting salary of 32-37k isn't bad IMHO.

I've not seen a real terms rise in salary in the last 20 ish years.

Would I be willing to pay more NI etc to fund this - yes

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
over a year ago

Horsham

"Just waiting for the Milleniual bashing next. Bloody young people. Wanting to be paid their worth ahd treated well. "Back in my day...""

Paid their worth, Luxury......

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Why are old people angry at young people for having a backbone? Okay, in your time you accepted shit pay but that doesn't mean we have too aswell. You're placing your anger on the wrong people, we should be blaming the government, not some 26 year old that just wants a decent pay for doing something like literally saving people's lives. If you don't think that deserves a good pay then honestly you're the problem.

This goes for every job imo, we should fight for good wages. The older generations can lie down and take whatever they are given like always but some of us actually want money for grinding out tedious jobs. I don't see how that makes us entitled but hey I might have similar views when my backbone goes.

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By *heFabtasticsCouple
over a year ago

brentwood

"Take the 10% back and give it to the tube drivers as that’s a bunch of heroes that really deserve to get a massive pay rise life savers every one of them

No shade on tube drivers, but don't you think DOCTORS also save lives?

Sorry but you obviously didn’t get my sarcasm in that comment………basically doctors are worth every penny and more and the same goes for 99% of NHS workers

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Why are old people angry at young people for having a backbone? Okay, in your time you accepted shit pay but that doesn't mean we have too aswell. You're placing your anger on the wrong people, we should be blaming the government, not some 26 year old that just wants a decent pay for doing something like literally saving people's lives. If you don't think that deserves a good pay then honestly you're the problem.

That’s just it. You have no back bone

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Take the 10% back and give it to the tube drivers as that’s a bunch of heroes that really deserve to get a massive pay rise life savers every one of them

No shade on tube drivers, but don't you think DOCTORS also save lives?

Sorry but you obviously didn’t get my sarcasm in that comment………basically doctors are worth every penny and more and the same goes for 99% of NHS workers

No I missed your sarcasm!

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By *heVonMatterhornsCouple
over a year ago

Lincoln

"That’s just it. You have no back bone "

- Complains that people don't have a backbone.

- Complains when people stand up for themselves.

Makes sense...

LvM

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By *arlot o scaraWoman
over a year ago

Hell

"A classic example of Entitled,Selfish,greedy Gen Z.

Now,had they said

10% for us and x amount of recruits,yeah,absolutely

But no

Me,me,me

They get a raise

Then strike for more staff but they took all the money for it."

And here we have a typical example of someone who has been manipulated by the government into thinking the way they want them to think.

Doctors deserve to be paid fairly. Also, if doctors are not paid fairly then guess what… we’ll have even less of them pretty soon.

The people at the top want us divided into us vs them, there’s a famous line in the film Antz that sums it up well.

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By *lder.Woman
over a year ago

Not Local

"I believe the start pay for a junior doctor is £15ph & they are asking for £20ph so the reality is they are not asking for a lot of money.

I was shocked when I heard their starting pay. You can £15/20 an hour cleaning air bnb's round here

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

What do junior doctors do again ? I know what nurses and proper doctors do, operations and taking care of the sick etc but these kids just have a clipboard and walk around in slow motion saying …. You can’t go home yet , you can now go home . £15 p/h seems reasonable to me

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By *GermanInLondonMan
over a year ago

London

"What do junior doctors do again ? I know what nurses and proper doctors do, operations and taking care of the sick etc but these kids just have a clipboard and walk around in slow motion saying …. You can’t go home yet , you can now go home . £15 p/h seems reasonable to me "

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

They are proper doctors, just training still.

Would you still feel the same if they saved your life or that of one of your family?

They've studied 5 or 6 years at medical school, work incredibly long hours & help people get better.

No disrespect to any other workers, but you can get £15 per hour in many other jobs that dont need anywhere near the level of skill these doctors have.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

The actual rates of pay, and add ons are here.

https://www.bma.org.uk/media/7509/pay-and-conditions-circular-md-4-2023-final_0.pdf

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

I did , doesn’t sound that complicated tbh

Junior doctors enact the plans of more senior doctors (consultants). This normally entails ordering tests or x-rays, referring to other medical teams or discharging the patient home from hospital.

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By *GermanInLondonMan
over a year ago

London

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

I did , doesn’t sound that complicated tbh

Junior doctors enact the plans of more senior doctors (consultants). This normally entails ordering tests or x-rays, referring to other medical teams or discharging the patient home from hospital. "

Maybe ask one about your definition when you are ill in hospital. You will be surprised.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

I did , doesn’t sound that complicated tbh

Junior doctors enact the plans of more senior doctors (consultants). This normally entails ordering tests or x-rays, referring to other medical teams or discharging the patient home from hospital. "

When you have a cardiac arrest on a ward on a Bank Holiday evening, I can tell you now, it'll be a junior doctor who leads the attempt to keep you alive. There won't be a handy consultant to save your life, out of hours. They might be available on the end of a phone once they've stabilised you, to discuss next steps with the junior, but the junior will save your life first.

A junior (ST6) saw me in gynae last week. Her decision to administer an injection that induces menopause (again) is a serious one, with potential negative consequences for my future health. She took that decision based on a considerable wealth of training, but she'll still considered "junior" simply because she's not yet a consultant. The clinic was "consultant led", but most people were seen by the three "juniors".

I think we need to dispense with the term "junior doctor" because too many people lack the intelligence to understand that junior doesn't necessarily mean young or lacking experience.

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By *ulieAndBeefCouple
over a year ago

Manchester-ish

This thread is less about 80s Australian hospital based afternoon television than I expected.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

I did , doesn’t sound that complicated tbh

Junior doctors enact the plans of more senior doctors (consultants). This normally entails ordering tests or x-rays, referring to other medical teams or discharging the patient home from hospital. "

I really think you need some more research before dismissing junior doctors. You've worded it so that they sound like admin staff. If I were a junior dr I'd be throughly insulted.

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By *inaTitzTV/TS
over a year ago

Titz Towers, North Notts

Yikes.

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By *issmorganWoman
over a year ago

Calderdale innit

You may want to look up the definition of what actually is a junior doctor before you make such comments...

I did , doesn’t sound that complicated tbh

Junior doctors enact the plans of more senior doctors (consultants). This normally entails ordering tests or x-rays, referring to other medical teams or discharging the patient home from hospital.

Maybe ask one about your definition when you are ill in hospital. You will be surprised.

Or try the job if its so easy.

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

Maybe not pay the chief executive (ffs) of a health trust 300 grand.

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By *cottish guy 555Man
over a year ago

London

"This thread is less about 80s Australian hospital based afternoon television than I expected.

I heard the theme tune in my head when I read the thread title. Glad it's not just me.

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over a year ago

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