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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….." There is no excuses for people to still WFH . I know soneone who is a civil servant ,and he is STILL being allowed to sit in his boxer shorts at home working . He says he has got used to it and never wants to go back to the office. Lazy git . | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed." Makes you wonder how businesses operated perfectly well before covid .   | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed. Makes you wonder how businesses operated perfectly well before covid . "They did but SOME are operating better now. As I said, it doesn’t suit all companies or all individuals, but to make blanket statements and dismiss WFH as “bad” is rather silly. The model where you make city centres too expensive to live in so people move out to the suburbs and beyond only to then spend £000s and many hours each day commuting back in to the office where commercial landlords fleece businesses on their rent, is a stupid model. | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed." for me it’s those that take two hour long breaks a day just cause they are home stop what they are doing to take in all their deliveries and shopping go out to do the school run during their working time, have stopped their child care so children are either home all day or just after school. Do their house work during the day - that have ruined it for everyone and proven it doesn’t really work | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed. for me it’s those that take two hour long breaks a day just cause they are home stop what they are doing to take in all their deliveries and shopping go out to do the school run during their working time, have stopped their child care so children are either home all day or just after school. Do their house work during the day - that have ruined it for everyone and proven it doesn’t really work " Doesn't really work for all companies. Sounds like a badly managed company with a demotivated workforce to me. | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed." This. In my experience those who dismiss the WFH option and consider it to be a skive are those that would abuse it if they had the chance. For me I’m in the office every day. Need to have a work place and a home/rest place. I don’t want my home contaminated by work.  | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed. for me it’s those that take two hour long breaks a day just cause they are home stop what they are doing to take in all their deliveries and shopping go out to do the school run during their working time, have stopped their child care so children are either home all day or just after school. Do their house work during the day - that have ruined it for everyone and proven it doesn’t really work " Couple of things: 1) Why are the mgrs/bosses allowing anyone to take a 2 hour lunch. If you know about it then surely they do? It is SO EASY to monitor if people are working (if using computer systems). Just ask your IT team. 2) Do these people have targets or deadlines to hit? By now it should be easy to adopt a task driven approach and monitor timely delivery of those tasks. If someone is repeatedly missing deadlines or failing to hit targets, then something is wrong so do something about it. I have had teams WFH since 2008 and all these teething problems came out in the wash. My general way of working was/is “you need to deliver XYZ by this deadline. As long as your working pattern is not affecting colleagues, then I don’t care when/where you do it, but hit your deadline and quality targets!” | |||
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"I work from home & hate it, I miss having colleagues to interact with it gets a little lonely. Mrs " I think loneliness is a definite issue for many. Especially younger people early in their careers who benefit from mentoring and shadowing colleagues. There is also a problem for flat sharers with no home office space and arguments over broadband. | |||
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" I have had teams WFH since 2008 and all these teething problems came out in the wash. My general way of working was/is “you need to deliver XYZ by this deadline. As long as your working pattern is not affecting colleagues, then I don’t care when/where you do it, but hit your deadline and quality targets!”" 100% this. I hire people because I want something finished. I don’t hire them just to know that I control their diary. | |||
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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….." Am back working in the office after a few years working from home, and have to say, I much prefer being here, far too many distractions at home and way too easy to give in to those distractions | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed. for me it’s those that take two hour long breaks a day just cause they are home stop what they are doing to take in all their deliveries and shopping go out to do the school run during their working time, have stopped their child care so children are either home all day or just after school. Do their house work during the day - that have ruined it for everyone and proven it doesn’t really work Couple of things: 1) Why are the mgrs/bosses allowing anyone to take a 2 hour lunch. If you know about it then surely they do? It is SO EASY to monitor if people are working (if using computer systems). Just ask your IT team. 2) Do these people have targets or deadlines to hit? By now it should be easy to adopt a task driven approach and monitor timely delivery of those tasks. If someone is repeatedly missing deadlines or failing to hit targets, then something is wrong so do something about it. I have had teams WFH since 2008 and all these teething problems came out in the wash. My general way of working was/is “you need to deliver XYZ by this deadline. As long as your working pattern is not affecting colleagues, then I don’t care when/where you do it, but hit your deadline and quality targets!”" monitoring how long some one is logged on for does not really judge their productivity. Also paying some one to monitor some one has just transferred a cost. Even giving deadlines to get tasks jobs projects completed well that’s no difference to what you do in the office. If you want to work from home make it a 7-7 day for those that work the office 9-5 I 100% belive you will get the same work out put from both. Difference being those in the office can actually also be judged on their interactions with others. I think you almost also have to expect those working from home to also have no absence | |||
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"We both WFH and absolutely love it - we’ve got each other to have banter with or there’s times/days where we are that busy we hardly talk. Getting a BJ or having sex over the desk during work hours is hot AF. Whilst I miss the banter all my work colleagues, being able to use that 2 hour daily commute to and from work is priceless. Like this morning I’ve been to boot camp already and now in the bath - if I was commuting to an office I couldn’t do that. K" Just to add I still get my targets done. In an office you have 15 interruptions an hour - birthday gatherings, random meetings that we don’t need to be in, constant ‘can you just look at this’. WFH means I work more efficiently. | |||
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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….. Am back working in the office after a few years working from home, and have to say, I much prefer being here, far too many distractions at home and way too easy to give in to those distractions "Initially those distractions are real, but once you start missing deadlines the sensible folks pull their socks up. It is about routine for me. Still get up at same time. Still “get ready for work” (ie get washed and dressed, though not a suit, eat breakfast). I am fortunate to have a home office so for me entering that space is “going to work”. I generally only use that room for work related stuff. I am logged on earlier and log off later than when I regularly commuted. My teams have a morning stand up with me via MS Teams everyday. We use IM for quick chats rather than email. Online collaboration space. We also have “virtual coffee breaks” which are optional but everyone grabs a brew and gets together over Teams for a natter with a rule that work chat is not allowed. Etc etc My people still go into the office but only to have workshops or collaboration time. Productivity is excellent. Staff retention (ergo knowledge retention) is excellent. | |||
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"It totally depends on the type of work you do. However, it is easy to monitor productivity if people are working from home using tech as well as task and output driven approaches rather than presenteeism. It has enabled huge tech projects to recruit staff from the whole of the UK instead of areas that are commutable to the office and pay local rates. Projects get a much wider talent pool and save on wage bill, what’s not to like? Companies are reducing their office space and rent costs. Reconfiguring that office space into collaboration space and meeting rooms rather than rows of desks. Staff are happy to save time and money on commuting and actually work longer hours as log on earlier and log off later but don’t mind as already home. WFH isn’t suitable to all individuals either but simply dismissing it as people bring lazy fuckers is very silly indeed. for me it’s those that take two hour long breaks a day just cause they are home stop what they are doing to take in all their deliveries and shopping go out to do the school run during their working time, have stopped their child care so children are either home all day or just after school. Do their house work during the day - that have ruined it for everyone and proven it doesn’t really work Couple of things: 1) Why are the mgrs/bosses allowing anyone to take a 2 hour lunch. If you know about it then surely they do? It is SO EASY to monitor if people are working (if using computer systems). Just ask your IT team. 2) Do these people have targets or deadlines to hit? By now it should be easy to adopt a task driven approach and monitor timely delivery of those tasks. If someone is repeatedly missing deadlines or failing to hit targets, then something is wrong so do something about it. I have had teams WFH since 2008 and all these teething problems came out in the wash. My general way of working was/is “you need to deliver XYZ by this deadline. As long as your working pattern is not affecting colleagues, then I don’t care when/where you do it, but hit your deadline and quality targets!” monitoring how long some one is logged on for does not really judge their productivity. Also paying some one to monitor some one has just transferred a cost. Even giving deadlines to get tasks jobs projects completed well that’s no difference to what you do in the office. If you want to work from home make it a 7-7 day for those that work the office 9-5 I 100% belive you will get the same work out put from both. Difference being those in the office can actually also be judged on their interactions with others. I think you almost also have to expect those working from home to also have no absence " Disagree with a lot of what you said but can only go on my experience. You do touch on another benefit of WFH... Hugely reduced sickness levels (amongst my staff). You always feel worst first thing and being full of cold and facing a long commute causes many to call in sick. Those with a cold who WFH can muddle through (and do). AND they don’t infect the office causing others to be off. | |||
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"Every single person I know who does wfh boasts about how little they work, how often they sleep in and how they’ve figured out ways to cheat the system so they can watch tv while it looks like they’re working Then the whole country is upset when bosses are asking people to come back into the office You bite the hand that feeds you, then get upset when it stops " Indeed. You can’t stop stupid! If someone is enjoying the benefits of WFH why on Earth would they shoot themselves in the foot. Some people are so thick! | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. " Yes but depends on the job. | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Yes but depends on the job. " In what I do, AI is a very quick but half arsed lazy junior employee who doesn't understand the assignment. So far I'm not impressed. | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Yes but depends on the job. In what I do, AI is a very quick but half arsed lazy junior employee who doesn't understand the assignment. So far I'm not impressed." It’s only just the beginning. Give it a few more years. Some AIs can beat doctors at diagnosis of diseases, can pass some professional exams, can do graphics design. All 24 hours a day at a cost much less than a human would cost. You ignore these advances at your peril as they will only get better. | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Yes but depends on the job. In what I do, AI is a very quick but half arsed lazy junior employee who doesn't understand the assignment. So far I'm not impressed. It’s only just the beginning. Give it a few more years. Some AIs can beat doctors at diagnosis of diseases, can pass some professional exams, can do graphics design. All 24 hours a day at a cost much less than a human would cost. You ignore these advances at your peril as they will only get better. " If it actually gets that good, then the majority of the UK won't be needed to do any job and the people in peril will be anyone in Westminster who doesn't provide a way for the majority of the population to be able to feed themselves. You'll forgive me if I'm not too concerned about losing my job when it'd probably come around the same time as a violent revolution. At the moment it's the same hype as self driving cars - the self driving cars that are good to go (and the evidence of increased accidents, running of red lights, etc, doesn't count, because reasons). | |||
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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….." Work from home, I can't handle being in offices, I hate them. | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. " Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. | |||
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"The wfh has brought up problems for people getting back into the office ? Like no desk space as everyone has closed offices and condensed into one place of work ? The fact that free car parking at work is now a paying one Some have got used to being at home and because of the savings in one of my colleagues cases £80 per week they don’t want to go back Then there is us who because of the nature of our job can’t work from home so still have all the travel costs , childcare etc to pay for ? No body will say if you work from home you should get paid less ?? Even for those who get London pay but don’t actually go into the office anymore? " I worked for companies in London and Cambridge for years and lived in the north before hybrid was mainstream. I couldn’t survive on a northern salary and support a family. So would travel down weekly or monthly. When I did have commute daily to London for a while in the mid 2000’s it cost over £12,000 a year in travel and added on 5 hours a day | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. " It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed | |||
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"I'm still working from home....missing the office terribly....but seems we won't be returning to workplace as management have sublet office space....WFH has it's advantages too don't get me wrong but sometimes I really miss the social aspect of physically working on a team...." I do like that we do hybrid at my work. So 2 in office and 2 home. I get a bit lonely without people to chatter too during the day. All wfh, whilst good for saving fuel and time isn't great for my mental health at all. MrsAbz | |||
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"What’s WHF? Is it a new furniture showroom? " I'm with you Woody no idea what this means | |||
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"I think people should be free to WFH without attracting snide and unpleasant comments, just as those who prefer the office "Noooo that’s just silly on a swinging site to think people could be open minded enough to understand both sides of the argument instead of being resolute they are correct
I mean, I’m a contractor and my contract is for working from home, even though it’s an ‘office’ role but seems I shouldn’t be home now Covid has gone
I think companies have realised that happy staff more often do more work and there’s no requirement to get people in an office - stupid forward thinking 
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"I think people should be free to WFH without attracting snide and unpleasant comments, just as those who prefer the office
Noooo that’s just silly on a swinging site to think people could be open minded enough to understand both sides of the argument instead of being resolute they are correct
I mean, I’m a contractor and my contract is for working from home, even though it’s an ‘office’ role but seems I shouldn’t be home now Covid has gone
I think companies have realised that happy staff more often do more work and there’s no requirement to get people in an office - stupid forward thinking
K"I do socially beneficial work, and I can do way more of it for the money if I use my spare bedroom than if I hire an office. Guess I deserve to be out of a job, because reasons  | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed " AI will eventually reach the point that it's effectively thinking in the not too distant future. May be 5 years, may be 25 years but A.I will be able to do the majority of jobs. The access to the more advanced versions of A.I are not released yet, but the whole point of certain A.I is it learns, adjusts, and selects the best course of action. The longer it learns the better it will get at replacing people in their roles. | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed AI will eventually reach the point that it's effectively thinking in the not too distant future. May be 5 years, may be 25 years but A.I will be able to do the majority of jobs. The access to the more advanced versions of A.I are not released yet, but the whole point of certain A.I is it learns, adjusts, and selects the best course of action. The longer it learns the better it will get at replacing people in their roles. " We are experimenting a lot - its not so 'intelligent' at the moment... I do wonder if it will dumb us down even further in future | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed AI will eventually reach the point that it's effectively thinking in the not too distant future. May be 5 years, may be 25 years but A.I will be able to do the majority of jobs. The access to the more advanced versions of A.I are not released yet, but the whole point of certain A.I is it learns, adjusts, and selects the best course of action. The longer it learns the better it will get at replacing people in their roles. " Lots of people say this, have been saying it for the last 3 decades but there’s nothing to suggest it will ever happen.much of the ‘news’ about AI is just marketing nonesense to drive the share price up and it works, FOMO is rampant in business and shareholders often demand AI be used without knowing why. Moores law predicted processing capacity would double every 18-24 months but that’s proven no longer true, and other types of chips based on non-binary e.g organic material with more than 2-states haven’t worked , so it’s basically still where it was a hundred years ago - a set of dumb switches that can either be on or off. Computers can not learn or think. They can do what smart people tell them to like follow a set of complex instructions | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed AI will eventually reach the point that it's effectively thinking in the not too distant future. May be 5 years, may be 25 years but A.I will be able to do the majority of jobs. The access to the more advanced versions of A.I are not released yet, but the whole point of certain A.I is it learns, adjusts, and selects the best course of action. The longer it learns the better it will get at replacing people in their roles. We are experimenting a lot - its not so 'intelligent' at the moment... I do wonder if it will dumb us down even further in future " If you really want to see how primitive it is follow the trading bots like Bitget, even a novice like me can consistently outperform them daily with a quick scan of FT each morning | |||
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. Nothing new, nothing new at all. History is filled with jobs being made obsolete. Not a single job in the world is "safe". Eventually even mechanics and engineers will have their jobs replaced by automation. Yeah it's walking in to the realms of sci-fi and extremely advanced A.I. (hi skynet) but the machines will be making the machines, repairing the machines, actual human advancements will cease. The only people safe in their jobs are those that control such things with the power to do so. It’s mostly hype, computers can’t think so if your job involves thinking it should be safe. I use Amazon mechanical Turk & Fiverr for many jobs people keep telling me AI can do for free and every company I’ve let try has failed AI will eventually reach the point that it's effectively thinking in the not too distant future. May be 5 years, may be 25 years but A.I will be able to do the majority of jobs. The access to the more advanced versions of A.I are not released yet, but the whole point of certain A.I is it learns, adjusts, and selects the best course of action. The longer it learns the better it will get at replacing people in their roles. Lots of people say this, have been saying it for the last 3 decades but there’s nothing to suggest it will ever happen.much of the ‘news’ about AI is just marketing nonesense to drive the share price up and it works, FOMO is rampant in business and shareholders often demand AI be used without knowing why. Moores law predicted processing capacity would double every 18-24 months but that’s proven no longer true, and other types of chips based on non-binary e.g organic material with more than 2-states haven’t worked , so it’s basically still where it was a hundred years ago - a set of dumb switches that can either be on or off. Computers can not learn or think. They can do what smart people tell them to like follow a set of complex instructions " I think you’ll find computers now can learn and there is now signs of rudimentary reasoning. The difference between traditional programs and machine learning/AI programs is that traditional programs have traditional ‘switches’ but AI programs model neurons in the brain . There’s certainly some hype but unless you have an academic background in computer science or artificial intelligence you’re probably not qualified to predict where this is going. It will change the world and how we work or don’t. | |||
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"WFH, don't have to interact with people face-to-face, can wear comfies, listen to the radio station/music/have on TV that I want and do some house chores inbetween work
Miss S x"My job before I had a baby had 2 office days which was nice to break it up. Miss S x | |||
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"I think people should be free to WFH without attracting snide and unpleasant comments, just as those who prefer the office "I also agree with this. Didn't realise so many people felt bitter about it
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"If you WFH in the U.K. it means your job can be done whilst not in the office. If you are not needed in the office then you may not be needed in the U.K. If you follow this logic then maybe your desk based job can be outsourced abroad at much lower cost like companies have done for manufacturing in previous decades. Many of the WFH people may actually be writing their own P45 in time. Companies are always looking for ways to save money and increase profits. Not even to mention the effect AI will have on office jobs and WFH. " Correct, speaking as an employer who now has freelancers in China and India. What I expect is that jobs that can be done remotely, for which skills aren't scarce, just won't see salary increases in the UK. Examples where it's already happened are editing documents and writing web content, so much is done overseas. And even that can be mostly done by software now. | |||
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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….. There is no excuses for people to still WFH . I know soneone who is a civil servant ,and he is STILL being allowed to sit in his boxer shorts at home working . He says he has got used to it and never wants to go back to the office. Lazy git ." Your mate should be working 60% in the office like all other civil servants have been told to do. | |||
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"What’s your preference and why ??? Go….. There is no excuses for people to still WFH . I know soneone who is a civil servant ,and he is STILL being allowed to sit in his boxer shorts at home working . He says he has got used to it and never wants to go back to the office. Lazy git ." I have worked from home since the start of the pandemic. Our director decided to leave everyone working from home when he realised that our productivity went up because we weren't wasting time and energy on a big commute every day. I get dressed every morning, and we have a company zoom to keep everyone up to date. I far prefer it. Different industries have different requirements. We are a software development company, so it suits us. Dont just assume that because people prefer to work from home they're somehow "lazy gits". I work bloody hard, and so do all of my colleagues.  | |||
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"Definitely the office. WFH there are too many distractions and the lack of social contact with everyone else. " Definitely WFH In the office there's too many distractions and too much social contact with everyone like this guy distracting me from work | |||
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"Much prefer wfh. No distractions, no commute, no travel costs, more sleep, more free time, dont have to listen to innane office 'chat', don't have to sit by pervy Pete..." Everything this girl said I can't stand being in the office, and on the mandatory day's I put headphones on and ignore everyone | |||
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"Mine is a Mixed bag; I can pick and choose what I want to do. But totally depends on how my calendar is shaping up. Also as a leader being present and visible is important. So I craft that carefully. " If I saw Leadership on-site in the office too much I would think they are not doing their job or something is broken !
I prefer one-to-ones out of the offices, & not MS teams. I like a relaxed open conversation over breakfast or lunch. For workshops I prefer an office where some key contributors are based, for solitary analytical desk work I like the office early am , for unstructured stuff I need my apartment & the gym/pool to think
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"Mine is a Mixed bag; I can pick and choose what I want to do. But totally depends on how my calendar is shaping up. Also as a leader being present and visible is important. So I craft that carefully. If I saw Leadership on-site in the office too much I would think they are not doing their job or something is broken !
I prefer one-to-ones out of the offices, & not MS teams. I like a relaxed open conversation over breakfast or lunch. For workshops I prefer an office where some key contributors are based, for solitary analytical desk work I like the office early am , for unstructured stuff I need my apartment & the gym/pool to think
"Agreed on all counts: well at least In principle as There are exceptions; however I personally benefit in ways that all my teams and their leadership are based around software engineering, so remote working is preferred for most, and geographically speaking also distributed over 3 continents.  | |||
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