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"depends which one looks frail and unsteady on her feet.. but find that shocking if you were the only one to offer a seat " it is shocking but often is the case! Specially business men. | |||
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"but find that shocking if you were the only one to offer a seat " It happens regularly on my trains . Full of fit healthy men and women who pretend not to notice and bury their heads in their phone/ipad/kindle. | |||
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"but find that shocking if you were the only one to offer a seat It happens regularly on my trains . Full of fit healthy men and women who pretend not to notice and bury their heads in their phone/ipad/kindle." What a sad and disrespectful world we live in! | |||
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"but find that shocking if you were the only one to offer a seat What a sad and disrespectful world we live in! " I get accused of being old fashioned but was taught as a school boy to get up for my elders on a bus etc. I taught my kids to do it so they do it as well.. I'm proud of them. | |||
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"If you gave me your seat Jangles I would let you sit on my knee anyway haha" Haha.. thankyou kind sir | |||
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"All three, i would give up my seat and in a loud voice ask who else is going to let the ladies sit down" | |||
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"I was on a bus once and a very frail gentleman got on the bus, was pregnant and the only one to give my seat up for him.They soon stood up to let me sit back down again" He was pregnant? lol | |||
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"I was on a bus once and a very frail gentleman got on the bus, was pregnant and the only one to give my seat up for him.They soon stood up to let me sit back down again" Same here no one else gave up there seat to an elderly lady so i offered min even tho I was heavily pregnant with my twins. I never got the curtsy of another seat offered though | |||
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"I ain't giving up on nothing. I treat ppl as I would want to be treated. You keep going on about how rude and disrespectful our young ones are but there are rude and disrespectful ppl from all bids of life. Society today is different every year. Ppl have to move with the times and stick their head in a timewarp. We cannot and should not blame how shit our surroundings are on the youth of today. That's just being totally naive, disrespectful and judgemental to them." i think you've assumed I only include the young in this! It seems you are saying as time moves on we should expect others to be less respectful. Would you rather be treated nicely or rudely? | |||
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"I ain't giving up on nothing. I treat ppl as I would want to be treated. You keep going on about how rude and disrespectful our young ones are but there are rude and disrespectful ppl from all bids of life. Society today is different every year. Ppl have to move with the times and stick their head in a timewarp. We cannot and should not blame how shit our surroundings are on the youth of today. That's just being totally naive, disrespectful and judgemental to them.i think you've assumed I only include the young in this! It seems you are saying as time moves on we should expect others to be less respectful. Would you rather be treated nicely or rudely? " Like I said. I treat ppl as I would like to be treated myself! If ppl are rude or disrespectful that's their issue not mine. I just don't make a huge fuss about it. Ppl like that are not worth my time or effort if honest. I just nod, smile and move on !!! | |||
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"When i was heavily pregnant with my son ..on way back from hospital got on a bus that was packed with school children .Bus driver refused to move until someone let me and 2 other pregnant women sit down ...10 mins it took before we moved from bus stop" just how it should be!!!! | |||
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"I ain't giving up on nothing. I treat ppl as I would want to be treated. You keep going on about how rude and disrespectful our young ones are but there are rude and disrespectful ppl from all bids of life. Society today is different every year. Ppl have to move with the times and stick their head in a timewarp. We cannot and should not blame how shit our surroundings are on the youth of today. That's just being totally naive, disrespectful and judgemental to them.i think you've assumed I only include the young in this! It seems you are saying as time moves on we should expect others to be less respectful. Would you rather be treated nicely or rudely? Like I said. I treat ppl as I would like to be treated myself! If ppl are rude or disrespectful that's their issue not mine. I just don't make a huge fuss about it. Ppl like that are not worth my time or effort if honest. I just nod, smile and move on !!!" that's why people are unpleasant, they're allowed to be. | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. " agreed, pregnancy isn't an illness but I believe it can be uncomfortable to stand for long periods. My ex was always grateful for the seat in the later weeks of pregnancy. | |||
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"I always give up my seat for people who need it more and it's quite upsetting how shocked some people are that I've given my seat up for them. I was brought up properly, with respect for my elders, and I will bring my children up the same. Although saying that, I rang the bell yesterday for an old lady who couldn't reach without risking falling, and she thanked her friend, no less than 4 times, and her friend didn't correct her! At least I know I did a good deed " I like your style | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. " What like it's a choice to allow yourself to grow fat or old, or it was your fault that you got injured and lost your sight? | |||
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"id get up and say well heres one place - anybody else gonna make another " Exactly - I've been left to stand while carrying two sleeping babies on a train. Somebody turned over their suitcase for them to lie on which was nice. Often it only takes one person to make a gesture and shame others to do the same - though not always. | |||
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"Elderly blind or pregnant...let them decide, personally I think a young pregnant girl should be ok standing over a frail elderly person " | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. " Round ligament pain is common in pregnancy, I had some mobility trouble myself and a friend was confined to a wheelchair for the last 4 months of both her pregnancies, so kind of blows your theory out of the water | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. " i cant believe u just said that about prgenant woman if someone is noticely pregnant then chances are their balance is no longer good, their hips no longer steady and the fact that if they do fall could bring harm to the baby too!! so what if it was their choice! if a guy on crutches came in, but was on crutches because he choose to jump off a 20ft wall while d*unk.. is that not his fault too? so does the same principle apply? | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. i cant believe u just said that about prgenant woman if someone is noticely pregnant then chances are their balance is no longer good, their hips no longer steady and the fact that if they do fall could bring harm to the baby too!! so what if it was their choice! if a guy on crutches came in, but was on crutches because he choose to jump off a 20ft wall while d*unk.. is that not his fault too? so does the same principle apply?" | |||
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"I don't see why people should give up seats for pregnant women. It's pregnancy, not an illness or disability and it's their choice to become pregnant in the first place. Now as for the elderly or disabled I do think you should offer your seat. Many times I have been travelliintoning on the bus and done so. Many times I have stood for most of my journey despite using a walking stick and a disabled travel permit myself. i cant believe u just said that about prgenant woman if someone is noticely pregnant then chances are their balance is no longer good, their hips no longer steady and the fact that if they do fall could bring harm to the baby too!! so what if it was their choice! if a guy on crutches came in, but was on crutches because he choose to jump off a 20ft wall while d*unk.. is that not his fault too? so does the same principle apply? " i despair of how people are so elfin selfish | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable." How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping.. | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping.." Some one who is blind and elderly isnt more vulnerable then? I dont see the logic in that at all, unless they are a ninja granny/grandad. | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping.." Here's an example.. Someone I know is 5 months pregnant and she is only 23.. But she is epileptic.. So if she has a fit is not safer while sitting than standing? If she is standing and falls forward onto her belly... I also know a guy who is 108, still lives at home and was completely independant until he was 104.. So when he was 80 he was still very able and fit to stand on a bus! So why should he take priority? | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping..Some one who is blind and elderly isnt more vulnerable then? I dont see the logic in that at all, unless they are a ninja granny/grandad." There are a lot of older people who would be offended by the attitude that just cos they are old then they are now useless and vulnerable.. I'm just saying each case is individual and can't be based on age alone | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping..Some one who is blind and elderly isnt more vulnerable then? I dont see the logic in that at all, unless they are a ninja granny/grandad. There are a lot of older people who would be offended by the attitude that just cos they are old then they are now useless and vulnerable.. I'm just saying each case is individual and can't be based on age alone" Ok, split hairs as you seem so apt at doing, you certainly do have a bee in your bonnet, but tbh i think you are being extreme, so, for instance, should i not help an 86 year old with her shopping cause shes elderly then? Should i not put the bins out for my elderly neighbour then? Oh and when an elderly gent was signing the equity away on his house cause he thought the guy that tried to persuade him was " a gentleman" should i not have involved the vulnerable adults protection unit then? Your argument is flawed im afraid, now stay on your soapbox shouting stereotyping, i will continue to help these people out..... | |||
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"Well if you're picking at bits I guess - how elderly, how blind and how pregnant? I'll have a guess that if you offer it to one and the others felt they were less in need of it they'd offer it to another anyhow. As for the whole 'she's pregnant, therefore she's healthy' argument, I'd like to think that most people would look to help somebody that needed assistance - people carrying heavy bags, people looking faint, women carrying a child - born or unborn... We've all been there, but sadly we've probably all experienced some of the selfish 'it's not my problem, sort yourself out' attitudes." Well said.. Reminds me of a few years ago, me and my friend took our kids to london zoo, we had kids aged 9, 4, 2, 1 and 2 months old. On the way home me and my friend had a pushchair each with the 2 youngest in, the 9 year old had the 4 and 2 year old by the hands. We got to the tube station, which was an old one, and no lift and the escalotor was broken! The stairs was just a twisty spiral staircase down and we stopped in our tracks thinking omg. It was start of rush hour and everyone was just streaming past us. All of a sudden and woman stopped and just shouted "omg aren't any of u men gonna help these ladies down with pushchairs!" I've never seen so many guys rush and grab the pushchairs and carry them down so fast lol | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping..Some one who is blind and elderly isnt more vulnerable then? I dont see the logic in that at all, unless they are a ninja granny/grandad. There are a lot of older people who would be offended by the attitude that just cos they are old then they are now useless and vulnerable.. I'm just saying each case is individual and can't be based on age aloneOk, split hairs as you seem so apt at doing, you certainly do have a bee in your bonnet, but tbh i think you are being extreme, so, for instance, should i not help an 86 year old with her shopping cause shes elderly then? Should i not put the bins out for my elderly neighbour then? Oh and when an elderly gent was signing the equity away on his house cause he thought the guy that tried to persuade him was " a gentleman" should i not have involved the vulnerable adults protection unit then? Your argument is flawed im afraid, now stay on your soapbox shouting stereotyping, i will continue to help these people out..... " Jez I said that u can't judge a persons vulnerability on age alone! That's what I've said and its hardly flawless! | |||
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"Pregnant women are perfectly able and healthy. Likewise a blind person. Someone who is both blind and elderly is more vulnerable. How can u say every pregnant woman and blind is healthy just cos they are young? Also how can u say every elderly person is vulnerable just cos they are old? That's just steroetyping..Some one who is blind and elderly isnt more vulnerable then? I dont see the logic in that at all, unless they are a ninja granny/grandad. There are a lot of older people who would be offended by the attitude that just cos they are old then they are now useless and vulnerable.. I'm just saying each case is individual and can't be based on age aloneOk, split hairs as you seem so apt at doing, you certainly do have a bee in your bonnet, but tbh i think you are being extreme, so, for instance, should i not help an 86 year old with her shopping cause shes elderly then? Should i not put the bins out for my elderly neighbour then? Oh and when an elderly gent was signing the equity away on his house cause he thought the guy that tried to persuade him was " a gentleman" should i not have involved the vulnerable adults protection unit then? Your argument is flawed im afraid, now stay on your soapbox shouting stereotyping, i will continue to help these people out..... Jez I said that u can't judge a persons vulnerability on age alone! That's what I've said and its hardly flawless!" I did, so how are you supposed to judge it then.....leave an old guy stood up on the bus cause he looks fit for his age? How can YOU judge it then, id be very interested to know, i may learn something. | |||
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"Well if you're picking at bits I guess - how elderly, how blind and how pregnant? I'll have a guess that if you offer it to one and the others felt they were less in need of it they'd offer it to another anyhow. As for the whole 'she's pregnant, therefore she's healthy' argument, I'd like to think that most people would look to help somebody that needed assistance - people carrying heavy bags, people looking faint, women carrying a child - born or unborn... We've all been there, but sadly we've probably all experienced some of the selfish 'it's not my problem, sort yourself out' attitudes. Well said.. Reminds me of a few years ago, me and my friend took our kids to london zoo, we had kids aged 9, 4, 2, 1 and 2 months old. On the way home me and my friend had a pushchair each with the 2 youngest in, the 9 year old had the 4 and 2 year old by the hands. We got to the tube station, which was an old one, and no lift and the escalotor was broken! The stairs was just a twisty spiral staircase down and we stopped in our tracks thinking omg. It was start of rush hour and everyone was just streaming past us. All of a sudden and woman stopped and just shouted "omg aren't any of u men gonna help these ladies down with pushchairs!" I've never seen so many guys rush and grab the pushchairs and carry them down so fast lol" | |||
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"I ain't giving up on nothing. I treat ppl as I would want to be treated. You keep going on about how rude and disrespectful our young ones are but there are rude and disrespectful ppl from all bids of life. Society today is different every year. Ppl have to move with the times and stick their head in a timewarp. We cannot and should not blame how shit our surroundings are on the youth of today. That's just being totally naive, disrespectful and judgemental to them.i think you've assumed I only include the young in this! It seems you are saying as time moves on we should expect others to be less respectful. Would you rather be treated nicely or rudely? Like I said. I treat ppl as I would like to be treated myself! If ppl are rude or disrespectful that's their issue not mine. I just don't make a huge fuss about it. Ppl like that are not worth my time or effort if honest. I just nod, smile and move on !!! that's why people are unpleasant, they're allowed to be. " Not at all. I couldn't careless what others do. That's their karma they are creating! You cannot change ppl who don't want to change so why would I waste my time and effort spent on them when I can put all my energies to ppl I actually care about and love! | |||
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"I guess working with vulnerable adults I know that there is a lot of young vulnerable adults and from the outside you wouldn't think so! Not extreme at all in my line of work.. " Funny that.....i do too. | |||
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"Oh and BBB there is a huge difference between being vulnerable and being useless, i dont think the two go hand in hand." Just quoting what I hear elderly people say daily.. They hate being 'useless' | |||
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"I guess working with vulnerable adults I know that there is a lot of young vulnerable adults and from the outside you wouldn't think so! Not extreme at all in my line of work.. Funny that.....i do too. " So you know then that vulnerability isn't based on age alone.. | |||
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"Oh and BBB there is a huge difference between being vulnerable and being useless, i dont think the two go hand in hand. Just quoting what I hear elderly people say daily.. They hate being 'useless'" Your argument will put people off ( some) from giving up a seat on the train in case they cause offense, maybe try another avenue of education, that isnt so aggresive. | |||
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"I guess working with vulnerable adults I know that there is a lot of young vulnerable adults and from the outside you wouldn't think so! Not extreme at all in my line of work.. Funny that.....i do too. So you know then that vulnerability isn't based on age alone.. " I do know that but you can also flip that and people will think someone is ok, if they "look" ok. | |||
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"Oh and BBB there is a huge difference between being vulnerable and being useless, i dont think the two go hand in hand. Just quoting what I hear elderly people say daily.. They hate being 'useless'Your argument will put people off ( some) from giving up a seat on the train in case they cause offense, maybe try another avenue of education, that isnt so aggresive. " If I see someone I think needs a chair more than me, then I just get up.. I don't offer it to them, then when they see there is an empty seat they can make their own choice to sit there.. I wouldn't make a big show of it.. | |||
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"I think you have something to prove BBB, were you cheated on by an elderly partner? I hear what you are saying, but dont shout stereotyping and wotnot on a site like this when people judge all the time, its a fruitless exercise and energy would be better spent elsewhere like going for a brisk walk. Of which i am about to partake as i am going out to walk my canine companion." Cheated on by an elderly partner.. Erm no.. I was merely refering to the poster who said that the elderly need a seat more than the young and to the poster who said that it should go to the elderly blind person of course.. As if the fact they were older meant they needed it more than the other 2.. If that's not stereotyping I dunno what is | |||
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"I say excuse me when I have to walk in front of people when they're looking at shop shelves. I pick things up if people drop them without realising. I was brought up to respect the person, not the age." Really annoys me when people walk in font of you while you're obviously looking at shelves - especially the staff! I've taken to not moving at all now when people do the 'try and walk right through you thing' and I enjoy apologising to people who push in front of me for 'being in their way'. | |||
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"I say excuse me when I have to walk in front of people when they're looking at shop shelves. I pick things up if people drop them without realising. I was brought up to respect the person, not the age. Really annoys me when people walk in font of you while you're obviously looking at shelves - especially the staff! I've taken to not moving at all now when people do the 'try and walk right through you thing' and I enjoy apologising to people who push in front of me for 'being in their way'." I only do it when there's no room to go behind them or I need something near where they're looking. I always speed up when I walk in front too! | |||
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"Ive always found London and the big city's to be the worst for people not giving up their seats to the more deserving or offering to carry a suitcase or pram on public transport. Last time i was in london, i got off a train and a woman was struggling to lift a pushchair up some stairs(no lift) and about 25 men walked past her and none offered until i did. The woman did make me laugh though because she shouted out to the rest of the men going past her, ' i bet your mother is proud of you letting a woman struggle up these stairs with a pushchair' " It's the pace of life made people too self centred to give a hand to fellow human beings... I hate it | |||
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