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"It’s valid to me. And that’s all that counts "Pretty much this 
People will either agree, and we’ll share that opinion…..or we won’t.
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense  "*sucks teeth....... #risky. *jumps in..... Sociologicaly probably. In terms of actual merit/value, less so. My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours. My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick. My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon. My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject. | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject."I hear you. But it’s valid in the sense that it’s your truth. And sociologically speaking your truth is your truth. It’s undeniably yours and it’s rich and full of insight. Very juicy and high in validly  | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject."I totally disagree. Because your opinion is no less valid than anyone else’s. It doesn’t matter what’s on their CV. It also doesn’t matter particularly if it’s wrong. As long as you’re prepared to change it after listening to a valid and rational argument | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject."I think there are different types of value in different contexts, and we (necessarily) simplify things (and conflate the meaning of value). Does your view on a particular film have merit compared to the most cited and prestigious academic analysis of said film? Maybe - if we're talking movie night and you've said you'll tear your hair out if you want to watch that crap again, it really doesn't matter that the pinnacle of expert opinion is that it's a masterclass in allusions to the zeitgeist. | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject.
I hear you. But it’s valid in the sense that it’s your truth. And sociologically speaking your truth is your truth. It’s undeniably yours and it’s rich and full of insight. Very juicy and high in validly "Absolutely. As a wise man once said, truth is the most valuable commodity we hold. And look how cheaply we give it away. | |||
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"I’m absolutely one million present guilty of valuing academic work to support opinion. But there’s no objective truth on some things. Speaking your truth is valid. Your truth is valid. It’s your truth. As an aside, as we are born knowing nothing, literally every opinion we form comes from something and/or someone else. As beings we are all influenced and impacted by others and things. Any opinion I form has come to be based on experiences I’ve had in life and also from other people. As have everyone’s. Also this OP feels like a dig at some posters. I love the drama "There is no drama intended so if people think it's a dig at them I congratulate them on being so self aware. I commented on another thread and was advised to go and read a book where I might learn something. My question is why should I have to read about someone else's experiences to either validate or reinforce my own? Of course we are all influenced to some degree but if someone has an opinion on a particular subject is that only worth listening to if it can be backed up by saying they had researched it elsewhere? | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject."If you voiced your opinion on cinematography but were advised to read a book by Stanley Kubrick and you might get a better opinion is that acceptable or just someone else's opinion that yours is weak? | |||
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"I’m absolutely one million present guilty of valuing academic work to support opinion. But there’s no objective truth on some things. Speaking your truth is valid. Your truth is valid. It’s your truth. As an aside, as we are born knowing nothing, literally every opinion we form comes from something and/or someone else. As beings we are all influenced and impacted by others and things. Any opinion I form has come to be based on experiences I’ve had in life and also from other people. As have everyone’s. Also this OP feels like a dig at some posters. I love the drama
There is no drama intended so if people think it's a dig at them I congratulate them on being so self aware.
I commented on another thread and was advised to go and read a book where I might learn something.
My question is why should I have to read about someone else's experiences to either validate or reinforce my own?
Of course we are all influenced to some degree but if someone has an opinion on a particular subject is that only worth listening to if it can be backed up by saying they had researched it elsewhere?"The opinion is valid whether backed up or not but it likely won’t be considered to be accepted truth or fact. Nobody can dispute your experience, right? That’s your experience. But if you said, ‘racism isn’t a thing anymore’, that’s your opinion but it’s not going to be accepted as truth over researched and reviewed stuff. As it shouldn’t be imo. Also books isn’t just that person’s experience, right? Books of that kind are a lot of people’s experiences and they’re written about to help us understand or just to show us how groups experience things rather than just individuals. If I said - I’ve never experienced racism- that’s not going to tell you anything about racism. But a book on the topic that’s based on research and history can teach someone a lot. | |||
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"All opinions are valid. Mine is valid to me regardless of if anyone else finds it valid. Mrs " I wouldn’t say all opinions are valid. What if someone formed an opinion based on misinformation? Or if their opinion is rooted in hatred instead of fact? (For example, racism is a form of opinion). | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense "Even the ones that contradict each other. | |||
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"I can’t believe no one’s pointed out yet that opinions are like assholes "Some are stretched, some need wiping, and some need medical attention? | |||
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"All opinions are valid. Mine is valid to me regardless of if anyone else finds it valid. Mrs I wouldn’t say all opinions are valid. What if someone formed an opinion based on misinformation? Or if their opinion is rooted in hatred instead of fact? (For example, racism is a form of opinion). " That's when we start to think about why that individual thinks that thing. We don't really debate whether they are right or wrong, we know they are wrong. We wonder why they are so wrong and how to solve that in future generations. How to break that cycle of ignorance and harm. Some people suggest mandatory sterilisation | |||
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"I can’t believe no one’s pointed out yet that opinions are like assholes
Some are stretched, some need wiping, and some need medical attention?"I was thinking “everyone has one, and they all stink” but yours works too. | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject.
If you voiced your opinion on cinematography but were advised to read a book by Stanley Kubrick and you might get a better opinion is that acceptable or just someone else's opinion that yours is weak?"It's my opinion that my opinon on cinematography v Stanley Kubricks opinion doesn't carry much weight. I give no fucks about other people's opinions of me are. Not sure that answered the question, I'm rambling a lot today. | |||
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"I can’t believe no one’s pointed out yet that opinions are like assholes
Some are stretched, some need wiping, and some need medical attention?
I was thinking “everyone has one, and they all stink” but yours works too."I know. Sometimes I'm being deliberately obtuse  | |||
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"I can’t believe no one’s pointed out yet that opinions are like assholes
Some are stretched, some need wiping, and some need medical attention?
I was thinking “everyone has one, and they all stink” but yours works too.
I know. Sometimes I'm being deliberately obtuse "I figured. But, you set em up. I knock em down. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? " yes but you don't get back up unless you are in a mini clique or you've paid for platinum membership | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors." Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. " I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? " Any answer I give to this is just an opinion of mine isn't it. So I guess it's valid to me but if no one reads it or agrees it's a bit like the tree in the woods that fell but no one heard of saw it, so therefore is it valid? | |||
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"If I had titled this thread " How valid is YOUR experience?" would the replies have been any different? Would some have said "your experience is valid to you but......"? Would some have advised that those experiences could be improved by reading about how others dealt with similar situations or that they aren't valid if you can't back them up with facts? Keeping it within the walls of fab for a moment. If a regular or productive fabber complains about a particular experience or offers an opinion on something they have witnessed why do they get a different reaction to a newbie who may be making exactly the same complaint or offering a similar opinion? " 
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me"" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. " I find it just as interesting as the fact that I didn't give any credit to elephants or buses  | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. I find it just as interesting as the fact that I didn't give any credit to elephants or buses "I wouldn’t have found any comments relating to elephants or buses remotely interesting or relevant to the topic. I found your lack of mentioning personal experience when discussing the topic of how people formulate and validate their opinions far more interesting and relevant, but that would be my opinion and others will have their own. | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. I find it just as interesting as the fact that I didn't give any credit to elephants or buses
I wouldn’t have found any comments relating to elephants or buses remotely interesting or relevant to the topic.
I found your lack of mentioning personal experience when discussing the topic of how people formulate and validate their opinions far more interesting and relevant, but that would be my opinion and others will have their own. "Why do I have to mention everything that I need to include or exclude from my analysis? An exhaustive list would take all of time. I also include or exclude flamingos, Mein Kampf, and buckets. You chose to read it in a certain way, which was incorrect. | |||
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"All opinions are valid. Mine is valid to me regardless of if anyone else finds it valid. Mrs I wouldn’t say all opinions are valid. What if someone formed an opinion based on misinformation? Or if their opinion is rooted in hatred instead of fact? (For example, racism is a form of opinion). " Then it's still their opinion, doesn't mean we have to like it or agree with it, it's their opinion and it's valid. Mrs | |||
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"As I repeatedly tell my oldest: Your opinion is valid and you are entitled to hold it. This doesn't mean me nor anyone else has to agree with it. An opinion is just a selection of thoughts and ideas. MrsAbz " You put it much better than me, totally agree. Mrs | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. I find it just as interesting as the fact that I didn't give any credit to elephants or buses
I wouldn’t have found any comments relating to elephants or buses remotely interesting or relevant to the topic.
I found your lack of mentioning personal experience when discussing the topic of how people formulate and validate their opinions far more interesting and relevant, but that would be my opinion and others will have their own.
Why do I have to mention everything that I need to include or exclude from my analysis?
An exhaustive list would take all of time. I also include or exclude flamingos, Mein Kampf, and buckets.
You chose to read it in a certain way, which was incorrect."Again you choose to list things of no relevance to the topic. I merely made the observation that you chose not to mention in your list of how people validate opinion , one of the single biggest factors in how people arrive at an opinion, their own personal experience. I am now finding your responses more entertaining than interesting.  | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up "Not all women, Fred. | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. "yes even yours faith | |||
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"What is an opinion that is unaffected by other data? We all stand on the shoulders of giants, evidence and influence wise. I have more respect for someone who says "I learned this from X" or "I'm influenced by Y" (and a fuckton more for "I know this fact because I read it in Z" than "I know this fact because I'm a clever clogs") than someone who is so deluded as to believe that they're not influenced by outside factors. Interesting that you don’t apportion any credit to someone having an opinion based on their own personal experience. I don't think anything I said excludes personal experience. It's interesting you read it that way. I think the only thing I'm excluding is "I know or think something in a vacuum, without reference to the world around me" I didn’t say you did. I merely pointed out that you didn’t mention it or apportion any credit too it, I found that interesting. I find it just as interesting as the fact that I didn't give any credit to elephants or buses
I wouldn’t have found any comments relating to elephants or buses remotely interesting or relevant to the topic.
I found your lack of mentioning personal experience when discussing the topic of how people formulate and validate their opinions far more interesting and relevant, but that would be my opinion and others will have their own.
Why do I have to mention everything that I need to include or exclude from my analysis?
An exhaustive list would take all of time. I also include or exclude flamingos, Mein Kampf, and buckets.
You chose to read it in a certain way, which was incorrect."I’ll take the bucket. | |||
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"I was married for 15 years so I didn't have any "If I could stop in from having opinions, that way, I would marry every last one of you one at a time… Maybe | |||
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"This is Fab, so the opinion of the hottest person who has the highest popularity, wins "There "may" be some truth in this. IMHO. | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith "Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith
Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked "lol hey i am totally fucked | |||
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"This is Fab, so the opinion of the hottest person who has the highest popularity, wins "Explains why people often disagree with me | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith
Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked lol hey i am totally fucked "Well Fred, you did come to fab to get fucked… | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith
Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked lol hey i am totally fucked
Well Fred, you did come to fab to get fucked… "i didn't i clicked on the wrong site thought this was for dog grooming | |||
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"Mostly women's opinions count and get back up
Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith
Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked lol hey i am totally fucked
Well Fred, you did come to fab to get fucked… i didn't i clicked on the wrong site thought this was for dog grooming "Whoopsie | |||
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Not all women, Fred. yes even yours faith
Anyone who cares about my opinion, here is totally fucked lol hey i am totally fucked
Well Fred, you did come to fab to get fucked… i didn't i clicked on the wrong site thought this was for dog grooming
Whoopsie" | |||
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Explains why people often disagree with me "Disagreeing is good though. If your contribution is That ^ it’s not a contribution it’s just saying please consider me for sex Popularity is such an odd concept. No one really likes the popular people , but everybody pretends to like them | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
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Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject."That maybe so but I honour people's opinion it does not mean I agree. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? " Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. " I agree. I was just reading the depression thread and at first agreed with the people who said this is the wrong place for folk with MH issues. Then I read people who said it helped them. I decided not to comment as I thought to myself how am I even entitled to an opinion on this. I’ve no idea about it. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. " Sometimes people say they won’t meet certain races or people over a certain age and say it’s a preference or another one ‘because I can’ Clearly there’s more to it, preferences are based on something whether you know it or not , and ‘because I can’ isn't a reason it’s just a statement to avoid giving a reason. But it’s ok to have an opinion and not give a reason for it if you prefer not to | |||
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"Very valid. More than you believe." More than you believe I am happy. More than you believe. | |||
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"Very valid. More than you believe. More than you believe I am happy. More than you believe. " So happy with my opinions. So so happy | |||
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"There's no such thing as an original opinion. All our thoughts and views and values are made up of the combined collective of 'stuff' (TV, books, media, other peoples views...) we consume. My opinions are formed from ideas I've heard and mashed in to my own world view based on my own experiences and perspective. My opinion is valid if it's a genuine opinion. It's not valid if I'm stating mis/information as a fact and calling that an opinion. E.g. you can't have an opinion that the earth is flat. You are just wrong and misinformed. You also can't have an opinion that it is round. That's just knowledge. Opinions are conceptual but many arguments on opinion get trapped in the 'proving themselves right' arena and opinions by their very nature cannot be proven or right. You can only justify why you believe something, or feel that way." That's one great way to explain it!
The only problem is that for a lot of issues the "expert opinion" is as far as it gets. A very fine line between fact and opinion.
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. I agree. I was just reading the depression thread and at first agreed with the people who said this is the wrong place for folk with MH issues. Then I read people who said it helped them. I decided not to comment as I thought to myself how am I even entitled to an opinion on this. I’ve no idea about it. " This was one of the reasons behind this thread and my own personal experience in the forums. It is driven by long term observations rather than any one particular incident. My experience of certain people through direct engagement is that they are vile individuals so my opinions on their forum contributions are formed through those experiences while others are lauding them as inclusive and delightful. My experiences of growing up in a violent and divisive community are completely different to most others but I've never considered telling people how I would have dealt differently with their situations or if they had done this or that it may not have been as difficult. I would never direct them to books about other people's experiences or try to convince them that how they view a particular event in their own lives can be changed if they do a little research. I have posted a number of times on here about my youth and given a flavour of what it was like and how my opinions of certain sections of the community have been affected by all that and there have always been those who weren't even born when these events took place or have never set foot in this country who haven't been shy about telling me I'm reading it all wrong and that's not really how it was. I'm genuinely curious as to how they feel their opinion is even relevant or why they feel the need to devalue those who lived or are living it? I see this happening every day on here by the same individuals who obviously have an audience and are playing to it. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. I agree. I was just reading the depression thread and at first agreed with the people who said this is the wrong place for folk with MH issues. Then I read people who said it helped them. I decided not to comment as I thought to myself how am I even entitled to an opinion on this. I’ve no idea about it. This was one of the reasons behind this thread and my own personal experience in the forums. It is driven by long term observations rather than any one particular incident. My experience of certain people through direct engagement is that they are vile individuals so my opinions on their forum contributions are formed through those experiences while others are lauding them as inclusive and delightful. My experiences of growing up in a violent and divisive community are completely different to most others but I've never considered telling people how I would have dealt differently with their situations or if they had done this or that it may not have been as difficult. I would never direct them to books about other people's experiences or try to convince them that how they view a particular event in their own lives can be changed if they do a little research. I have posted a number of times on here about my youth and given a flavour of what it was like and how my opinions of certain sections of the community have been affected by all that and there have always been those who weren't even born when these events took place or have never set foot in this country who haven't been shy about telling me I'm reading it all wrong and that's not really how it was. I'm genuinely curious as to how they feel their opinion is even relevant or why they feel the need to devalue those who lived or are living it? I see this happening every day on here by the same individuals who obviously have an audience and are playing to it. " I totally agree. You absolutely cannot know about something unless you have or are experiencing it. And yes you do see it a lot on here. | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. I agree. I was just reading the depression thread and at first agreed with the people who said this is the wrong place for folk with MH issues. Then I read people who said it helped them. I decided not to comment as I thought to myself how am I even entitled to an opinion on this. I’ve no idea about it. This was one of the reasons behind this thread and my own personal experience in the forums. It is driven by long term observations rather than any one particular incident. My experience of certain people through direct engagement is that they are vile individuals so my opinions on their forum contributions are formed through those experiences while others are lauding them as inclusive and delightful. My experiences of growing up in a violent and divisive community are completely different to most others but I've never considered telling people how I would have dealt differently with their situations or if they had done this or that it may not have been as difficult. I would never direct them to books about other people's experiences or try to convince them that how they view a particular event in their own lives can be changed if they do a little research. I have posted a number of times on here about my youth and given a flavour of what it was like and how my opinions of certain sections of the community have been affected by all that and there have always been those who weren't even born when these events took place or have never set foot in this country who haven't been shy about telling me I'm reading it all wrong and that's not really how it was. I'm genuinely curious as to how they feel their opinion is even relevant or why they feel the need to devalue those who lived or are living it? I see this happening every day on here by the same individuals who obviously have an audience and are playing to it. " Are you talking about people’s responses to you in the thread about feeling comfortable or uncomfortable talking about race? | |||
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"In an online forum such as this are opinions only valid if they can be backed up by quoting someone else? They aren't statements of fact but rather the personal opinion based on experience of the poster. If you quote from a paper or article are you not just validating someone else's opinion that you happen to agree with or are you incapable of having an opinion that isn't influenced by an intellectual? Are those of us who laugh at the irony of self help books in the minority or open to ridicule? There are numerous comments here from people saying how they could never be influenced by someone on social media and yet those same people are quick to quote from something they read to back up a particular argument. So how valid is your own opinion or does it only become valid if it's a popular opinion or borrowed from someone else? Opinions don't need to backed up by quoting somebody else but should be based on something to be valid. Don't really give much of a stuff about people's opinions on non-swinging things here but if somebody is giving an opinion on something swinging it should be based on some experience to be taken seriously. For example, if you are going to given an opinion on parties or clubs, it should be based on going to quite a few. I agree. I was just reading the depression thread and at first agreed with the people who said this is the wrong place for folk with MH issues. Then I read people who said it helped them. I decided not to comment as I thought to myself how am I even entitled to an opinion on this. I’ve no idea about it. This was one of the reasons behind this thread and my own personal experience in the forums. It is driven by long term observations rather than any one particular incident. My experience of certain people through direct engagement is that they are vile individuals so my opinions on their forum contributions are formed through those experiences while others are lauding them as inclusive and delightful. My experiences of growing up in a violent and divisive community are completely different to most others but I've never considered telling people how I would have dealt differently with their situations or if they had done this or that it may not have been as difficult. I would never direct them to books about other people's experiences or try to convince them that how they view a particular event in their own lives can be changed if they do a little research. I have posted a number of times on here about my youth and given a flavour of what it was like and how my opinions of certain sections of the community have been affected by all that and there have always been those who weren't even born when these events took place or have never set foot in this country who haven't been shy about telling me I'm reading it all wrong and that's not really how it was. I'm genuinely curious as to how they feel their opinion is even relevant or why they feel the need to devalue those who lived or are living it? I see this happening every day on here by the same individuals who obviously have an audience and are playing to it. Are you talking about people’s responses to you in the thread about feeling comfortable or uncomfortable talking about race? " I'm talking about many responses over the years talking about life experiences and the culture of one-upmanship that exists in these forums. I don't start threads based on one or two comments. | |||
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" My experience of certain people through direct engagement is that they are vile individuals so my opinions on their forum contributions are formed through those experiences while others are lauding them as inclusive and delightful. My experiences of growing up in a violent and divisive community are completely different to most others but I've never considered telling people how I would have dealt differently with their situations or if they had done this or that it may not have been as difficult. I would never direct them to books about other people's experiences or try to convince them that how they view a particular event in their own lives can be changed if they do a little research. I have posted a number of times on here about my youth and given a flavour of what it was like and how my opinions of certain sections of the community have been affected by all that and there have always been those who weren't even born when these events took place or have never set foot in this country who haven't been shy about telling me I'm reading it all wrong and that's not really how it was. I'm genuinely curious as to how they feel their opinion is even relevant or why they feel the need to devalue those who lived or are living it? I see this happening every day on here by the same individuals who obviously have an audience and are playing to it. Are you talking about people’s responses to you in the thread about feeling comfortable or uncomfortable talking about race? I'm talking about many responses over the years talking about life experiences and the culture of one-upmanship that exists in these forums. I don't start threads based on one or two comments. " I only asked because you shared your experience on that thread. | |||
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"Everyone’s opinion is worthwhile (to me) but not necessarily valid. “Valid - (of an argument or point) having a sound basis in logic or fact; reasonable or cogent.” I think the more interesting debate is whether truth and falsehood are bivalent….I mean who gets to determine what actually is the fact or is reasonable and cogent? It’s more nuanced than you imagine, in my opinion! "Easy. Don’t be quoting from that pesky dictionary. You can’t believe everything you read! I joke I joke. I agree with this. Worthwhile doesn’t always equal valid and I think it’s easy to mistake being passionate about something for being correct about something. I know I’m guilty of this when I speak on certain issues that I’m passionate about | |||
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"All opinions are valid in a sociological sense
*sucks teeth.......
#risky.
*jumps in.....
Sociologicaly probably.
In terms of actual merit/value, less so.
My opinion on racism isn't as valid as yours.
My opinion on cinematography isn't as valid as Stanley Kubrick.
My opinion on martial arts is probably more valid than someone who's only ever watched Enter the Dragon.
My opinion on any subject has no value against an expert on that subject.
That maybe so but I honour people's opinion it does not mean I agree. "For sure. I'll always listen. | |||
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