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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

It’s slightly more complicated as my predecessor is still in the organisation but moved up to director role. So I’m now going to be highlighting historical issues he did not manage as per the contract.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Stick to your guns.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Stick to your guns. "

Ok thanks

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

Do you have a union? Have a look at ACAS

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Are you in a union? If so contact them for advice and to have representation at meetings if not always have a witness with you when this is discussed and I mean ALWAYS, also minute every meeting and copy to your witness.

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By *obilebottomMan
over a year ago

All over

Present a summary of enhanced measures to ensure compliance with the contractual obligations are tightened even further without pointing the finger

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

You have to be honest and upfront. I've had to go to the directors last week about something quite serious that my colleague hasn't been doing, in essence it amounts to fraud. I had to say something as I've been promoted, with the responsibility of that area, and I'm not prepared to take that responsibility on until it's sorted.

I felt shit, felt I was bad mouthing my colleague but you have to be honest.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I would add that the previous job holder not doing something isn't a defence for you not doing it.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

I wouldn't go tit for tat highlighting failures of previous management as they are director and it could get back to them. If the clause is historical and not been implemented advise this. If it has been overlooked advise so, and will obviously implement in the future, don't labour on it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Sometimes a change in people can be a good opportunity for 'refreshing' the process and resharing the guidelines - then you can perhaps highlight areas you will be focusing on

If it could fail an audit, you could use that as a way to move forward

Good luck - it's always tricky when it gets political

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice? "

Communicate this to your bosses first. Not if you tell them all you said on here. Hope they not reading this.

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

You could always be cheeky and ask whoever is interviewing to invite the director asking them why they never implemented it

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

Is there a reason they are seeking to implement the clause with you if it’s never been implemented before?

As others have said, address the historical context for reference but have a future facing focus on the steps you’ll take to implement the Contract, the key milestones for implementation and also your process for escalation of issues/risks to implementation

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice? "

Attitudes change in organisations as the people and external forces do. Some managers are sticklers for dotting the i’s and crossing the t’s whereas others are happy so long as things are working out.

Managing up is an important skill, you need to work out what keeps your boss happy, what their preferences are, and you’ll soon be able to keep them off your back.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Sometimes a change in people can be a good opportunity for 'refreshing' the process and resharing the guidelines - then you can perhaps highlight areas you will be focusing on

If it could fail an audit, you could use that as a way to move forward

Good luck - it's always tricky when it gets political "

This. It's a great 'excuse' to remind people of what is required without seeming like a dick.

People can forget what is important, or they can do it on purpose.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'"

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"You have to be honest and upfront. I've had to go to the directors last week about something quite serious that my colleague hasn't been doing, in essence it amounts to fraud. I had to say something as I've been promoted, with the responsibility of that area, and I'm not prepared to take that responsibility on until it's sorted.

I felt shit, felt I was bad mouthing my colleague but you have to be honest."

Hi thanks. My boss is only doing his job and I respect that. My issue is the historical mismanagement and it being accepted all along.

Now it’s my issue. I accept I’m wrong and I accept I’ve to move on

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'"

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

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By *ddie1966Man
over a year ago

Paper Town Central, Essex.

Unfortunately, you're going to have to take the hit, but I would be inclined to have a private chat with your predecessor and ask for clarification of the situation... politely of course.

If he has been elevated to the lofty heights, you'll probably find that this situation will magically go away...

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'"

Yep. If you knew it was a contractual clause and ignored it, it almost doesn't matter what went before.

You could demonstrate that you were following precedent, but probably should have highlighted that you'd found a historical anomaly rather than just following, or at least checked formally.

Can you offer a solution on how to rectify the situation?

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice?

Managing up is an important skill, you need to work out what keeps your boss happy, what their preferences are, and you’ll soon be able to keep them off your back."

My new boss is black and white. Which is good as you know where you stand. But previously it has been wishy washy hear no evil see no evil.

In all honesty I feel very very silly and exposed as it’s black and white I’m wrong

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage. "

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

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By *glyBettyTV/TS
over a year ago

Sitting on the table

Well without knowing what kind of job it is (all this talk of 'implementing contracts' all sounds a bit highfalutin for my simple tran-brain), basically you're saying the previous incumbent has left you with a bit of a shit sandwich, but pointing this out might be complicated as he's now sitting on the board, correct?

I think you should just do the task as required, THEN point out that this situation has arisen due to historical neglect.

You might be next in line for promotion should a director vacate his position.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Yep. If you knew it was a contractual clause and ignored it, it almost doesn't matter what went before.

You could demonstrate that you were following precedent, but probably should have highlighted that you'd found a historical anomaly rather than just following, or at least checked formally.

Can you offer a solution on how to rectify the situation? "

Yes I will highlight the historical issues and leave it at that.

Moving forward I will manage it no problem. It’s a visual inspection of stamping invoices so it’s black and white literally.

I can just foresee silly tit for tat and me applying the contract to the letter of the law and me being the “ new bad guy”

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice?

Managing up is an important skill, you need to work out what keeps your boss happy, what their preferences are, and you’ll soon be able to keep them off your back.

My new boss is black and white. Which is good as you know where you stand. But previously it has been wishy washy hear no evil see no evil.

In all honesty I feel very very silly and exposed as it’s black and white I’m wrong"

We've nearly all been there! I know I have and I felt so utterly daft

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up. "

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Well without knowing what kind of job it is (all this talk of 'implementing contracts' all sounds a bit highfalutin for my simple tran-brain), basically you're saying the previous incumbent has left you with a bit of a shit sandwich, but pointing this out might be complicated as he's now sitting on the board, correct?

I think you should just do the task as required, THEN point out that this situation has arisen due to historical neglect.

You might be next in line for promotion should a director vacate his position. "

I agree and that’s my feelings on the matter

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Yep. If you knew it was a contractual clause and ignored it, it almost doesn't matter what went before.

You could demonstrate that you were following precedent, but probably should have highlighted that you'd found a historical anomaly rather than just following, or at least checked formally.

Can you offer a solution on how to rectify the situation?

Yes I will highlight the historical issues and leave it at that.

Moving forward I will manage it no problem. It’s a visual inspection of stamping invoices so it’s black and white literally.

I can just foresee silly tit for tat and me applying the contract to the letter of the law and me being the “ new bad guy” "

Yeah, I get that. But, and I don't know your industry, but better to follow a contract to the letter than leave any element of legal risk to your company? And if it's a worthless clause, can you instigate a renegotiation of the contract to remove it?

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed "

It's not nice to feel that way especially when you know you're not the only one who hasn't done this task.

I think someone above has said swallow it this time but point out that you're trying to sort out the historical neglect.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Yep. If you knew it was a contractual clause and ignored it, it almost doesn't matter what went before.

You could demonstrate that you were following precedent, but probably should have highlighted that you'd found a historical anomaly rather than just following, or at least checked formally.

Can you offer a solution on how to rectify the situation?

Yes I will highlight the historical issues and leave it at that.

Moving forward I will manage it no problem. It’s a visual inspection of stamping invoices so it’s black and white literally.

I can just foresee silly tit for tat and me applying the contract to the letter of the law and me being the “ new bad guy”

I work in construction contract management. The clause is not useless it’s just something that historically has been overlooked. By all parties.

My new boss is very black &

White. And this issue has been highlighted to him. And he sees it as black and white. And he is correct.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed "

Is there something else bothering you? Are you concerned there may be other things being done incorrectly that you're not aware of yet?

It's shit that you're getting the blame when someone else was shit and got away with it.

Try and take it as a compliment. Often idiots get away with stuff but more clever people don't because people expect more of them.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

It's not nice to feel that way especially when you know you're not the only one who hasn't done this task.

I think someone above has said swallow it this time but point out that you're trying to sort out the historical neglect. "

I will defo point out it’s been a historical issue.

But the issue is the neglect I’m

Pointing out is the new director who is my predecessor and new head of department.

That’s complex

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

Is there something else bothering you? Are you concerned there may be other things being done incorrectly that you're not aware of yet?

It's shit that you're getting the blame when someone else was shit and got away with it.

Try and take it as a compliment. Often idiots get away with stuff but more clever people don't because people expect more of them. "

In my role sometimes I have to apply common sense.

Unfortunately when ppl review decisions it can be difficult to rationalise and explain that decision months after the fact

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

It's not nice to feel that way especially when you know you're not the only one who hasn't done this task.

I think someone above has said swallow it this time but point out that you're trying to sort out the historical neglect.

I will defo point out it’s been a historical issue.

But the issue is the neglect I’m

Pointing out is the new director who is my predecessor and new head of department.

That’s complex "

I understand.

Good luck with it all

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed "

I don't see why. You're focusing on problems before they have arisen. If it's not been part of everyday abcd then unless your job is to review processes (I expect it isn't as someone has highlighted it), then as it has been highlighted, it will now - if needs to be. Companies talk, they review, implement, discuss, they don't take action on someone for someone else not doing something.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

I am just going to have to take this one on the chin and move on. Nothing more I can do

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

Is there something else bothering you? Are you concerned there may be other things being done incorrectly that you're not aware of yet?

It's shit that you're getting the blame when someone else was shit and got away with it.

Try and take it as a compliment. Often idiots get away with stuff but more clever people don't because people expect more of them.

In my role sometimes I have to apply common sense.

Unfortunately when ppl review decisions it can be difficult to rationalise and explain that decision months after the fact "

Maybe keep a diary to remind you of facts and dates.

I'm starting one for work as proof that approvals / support was sought and given, due to ongoing issues.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

Is there something else bothering you? Are you concerned there may be other things being done incorrectly that you're not aware of yet?

It's shit that you're getting the blame when someone else was shit and got away with it.

Try and take it as a compliment. Often idiots get away with stuff but more clever people don't because people expect more of them.

In my role sometimes I have to apply common sense.

Unfortunately when ppl review decisions it can be difficult to rationalise and explain that decision months after the fact

Maybe keep a diary to remind you of facts and dates.

I'm starting one for work as proof that approvals / support was sought and given, due to ongoing issues. "

Lol do you work in my work? Sounds like same issues I’m

Having in ways

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By *oodmessMan
over a year ago

yumsville

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

I am just going to have to take this one on the chin and move on. Nothing more I can do "

Manager v's contracts manager v's lawyer. It's not been done, it now will be if necessary. Keep it simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

Is there something else bothering you? Are you concerned there may be other things being done incorrectly that you're not aware of yet?

It's shit that you're getting the blame when someone else was shit and got away with it.

Try and take it as a compliment. Often idiots get away with stuff but more clever people don't because people expect more of them.

In my role sometimes I have to apply common sense.

Unfortunately when ppl review decisions it can be difficult to rationalise and explain that decision months after the fact

Maybe keep a diary to remind you of facts and dates.

I'm starting one for work as proof that approvals / support was sought and given, due to ongoing issues.

Lol do you work in my work? Sounds like same issues I’m

Having in ways "

No... your work sounds to have some competent people.

Hope you feel better for sharing/ discussing this.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Out of interest why didn't you implement that particular clause? I know the previous incumbent didn't but the question that'll be asked is 'why didn't you?'

Hi thanks for replying. It really was a minor clause in comtract around stamping of invoices as true and certified.

The reason I never did was it was historical and in all honesty there was more important issues to manage.

Ok. I agree with you that you should accept responsibility. I'd avoid saying there are more important issues to manage though. If you're managing ... you're managing.

Is this something you have to do personally or is it delegated?

The previous job holder might have been promoted out of the role because they weren't very good at it and they've brought you in to tighten things up.

I can’t but accept responsibility it’s black and white. I can’t argue I’ve failed.

I just feel horribly exposed

I am just going to have to take this one on the chin and move on. Nothing more I can do

Manager v's contracts manager v's lawyer. It's not been done, it now will be if necessary. Keep it simple. "

I’m applying kiss model from here on in!

Keep

Simple

Stupid

I am doing my job to the letter if the law

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By *os19Man
over a year ago

Edmonton

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice? "
. I would advise if you are a union member speak to them first.If they can help they will or at least give good advice if they can’t.Although I am a civil servant in a office in 2016 I was asked to take on a additional job role 1 hour a day. I refused and I agreed to 2 hours a day with one whole day at the end of the month for house keeping which I hardly ever took. I had a email from the office manager confirming this.In 2021 my line manager wanted to change it to 1 hour and 10 minutes.This led to various arguments and it was only when I got the union involved and I presented the original email that it was agreed I should continue doing the role for 2 hours until we could have a meeting with my line manager and the new office manager to renegotiate how long I needed.The meetings didn’t go the way the managers wanted them to go and problems with my health I came away from the 2 hour job role June 2022.I have since been approached by my successor , supervisor , work wife asking if I would consider returning to the 2 hour job role either permanently or as back up to cover leave. I know it was my line manager and office manager who approached my work wife as they feel all she has to do is bat her eye lids and I would do what she wants which on this occasion I wouldn’t.

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

Dorchester

Put your penis away in any serious discussion

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Put your penis away in any serious discussion

Never lol

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"I need some advice. I was pulled in work last week because I hadn’t implemented the contract I am managing. It was something reasonably minute but none the less it was a contractually requirement.

My issue is that this contract clause has never been implemented. I am annoyed about this as I think it’s slightly unfair to pull me on it now when the issue has been historical.

But my big boy pants are in and my boss is correct I have not implemented the contract as per the letter of the law.

My boss has re-iterated my role is black and white. And if the conditions of contract aren’t meet don’t process the payment.

I can just see it all getting so messy.

Has anyone any advice? . I would advise if you are a union member speak to them first.If they can help they will or at least give good advice if they can’t.Although I am a civil servant in a office in 2016 I was asked to take on a additional job role 1 hour a day. I refused and I agreed to 2 hours a day with one whole day at the end of the month for house keeping which I hardly ever took. I had a email from the office manager confirming this.In 2021 my line manager wanted to change it to 1 hour and 10 minutes.This led to various arguments and it was only when I got the union involved and I presented the original email that it was agreed I should continue doing the role for 2 hours until we could have a meeting with my line manager and the new office manager to renegotiate how long I needed.The meetings didn’t go the way the managers wanted them to go and problems with my health I came away from the 2 hour job role June 2022.I have since been approached by my successor , supervisor , work wife asking if I would consider returning to the 2 hour job role either permanently or as back up to cover leave. I know it was my line manager and office manager who approached my work wife as they feel all she has to do is bat her eye lids and I would do what she wants which on this occasion I wouldn’t."

Thank you! Much appreciated

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"Unfortunately, you're going to have to take the hit, but I would be inclined to have a private chat with your predecessor and ask for clarification of the situation... politely of course.

If he has been elevated to the lofty heights, you'll probably find that this situation will magically go away...

I hope you are correct

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By *vonne5exMan
over a year ago

Doncaster

"You have to be honest and upfront. I've had to go to the directors last week about something quite serious that my colleague hasn't been doing, in essence it amounts to fraud.

I had to say something as I've been promoted, with the responsibility of that area, and I'm not prepared to take that responsibility on until it's sorted.

I felt shit, felt I was bad mouthing my colleague but you have to be honest."

Why didn't you just have a word with your EX COLLEAGUE and point out that you know what they are doing and it has to stop because your getting promoted, nothing worse than a poacher becoming a gamekeeper

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

OP - did you post a few months ago about asking whether you should take a new job that was much higher paid and that you knew you could do but was reknowned for being difficult and political?

Is this that job?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

So, did you get the update on those TPS reports?

It's all so horribly toxic. It's a problem, it's fixed and won't happen again, the issues don't need to be flagged as anything more than an oversight.

If they're truly worried, then they need to highlight this to all their clients respectfully, not bury you in it like a scapegoat.

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"OP - did you post a few months ago about asking whether you should take a new job that was much higher paid and that you knew you could do but was reknowned for being difficult and political?

Is this that job?"

Yes I did. But this is my current role

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham

So I work in this area.

If I’m aware, a contract clause is not being billed or being billed incorrectly, identify and raise a billing assurance ticket to cover my back. I inherited 2.1 billion unbilled revenue in one, and got it down to zero in 18 months.

If there is reluctance from commercial to bill a clause, which is often the case, go to legal, they are responsible for interpretation of contract clause, not commercial.

Get it in writing that both legal and commercial agreed not to build a clause

Good luck

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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

"So I work in this area.

If there is reluctance from commercial to bill a clause, which is often the case, go to legal, they are responsible for interpretation of contract clause, not commercial.

Get it in writing that both legal and commercial agreed not to build a clause

Good luck

Hi Thanks for input

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