FabSwingers.com forum: Diesel Engines vs Petrol Engines

By (user no longer on site) OP
49 weeks ago

Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it.

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By *ichaelsmyMan
49 weeks ago

douglas

Everyone will tell you to avoid everything on sale.

Modern cars are so much better than they used to be in all regards

Diesel engines included

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

A Peugeot 108 is ghastly

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By (user no longer on site) OP
49 weeks ago

"A Peugeot 108 is ghastly "

Why?

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By *eordieJeansCouple
49 weeks ago

Newcastle upon Tyne

I owned a Peugeot once. It had so many faults that I had to scrap it. About 6 mechanics and an electrical engineer couldn’t find what was wrong with it.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"A Peugeot 108 is ghastly

Why?"

They're shit

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By *idnight RamblerMan
49 weeks ago

Pershore

Diesel engines emit particulates that are linked to certain cancers. That's the main reason diesel vehicles have a bad reputation. But there are new diesel fuels being launched that are cleaner and less harmful - but with the MPG advantage you mention. As for Peugeot diesel engines, they are first class in my experience, many good for 200k or more.

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By *orny-DJMan
49 weeks ago

Leigh-on-Sea

My previous daily driver was a Diesel. Never again.

Averaged around 35mpg.

I can get better than that from my 3.8 litre petrol American sports coupe.

Years ago had a Toyota people carrier with a 2.2 diesel engine.

35 mpg if you kept it to 60mph.

Do 70 and it dropped to 28mpg.

Diesel engines SHOULD return better MPG, but these days they all come fitted with turbochargers to make them driveable, which reduces their efficiency down to around that of a petrol engine.

And they chuck out far more crap.

Ask yourself why Diesels built prior to 2016 are subject to Sadiq Khans ULEZ charge but petrol engines from around 2006 aren't.

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By *rispyDuckMan
49 weeks ago

Chinese Takeaway near you

All I know is diesel is more expensive as fuel & all Ferraris run on petrol lol

if the fuel is good enough for a Ferrari it’s good enough for me!

And personally I will ‘never ever’ but another French car. Had a Citroen DS3 Sport for 2yrs. Bought it for £6.500 by time I sold it had cost me over £10.000 in total with repair bills

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Euro 3 diesel every time for a runaround. 55mpg average from the best part of 2 tonnes and it’s no slouch. Volvo V70 D5. Mpg would be crap if used mostly round town though.

For fun usually petrol but the occasional diesel surprises me Audi R10 tdi springs to mind.

Worlds backwards though. We should all really be in lightweight motorbike engines cars getting 100+mpg at insane speeds

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
49 weeks ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

I guess it depends on your needs. If you do a lot of driving and travel over distance then a diesel engine will be more durable, looked after properly and a diesel engine will last around the clock and more....Diesals need to be driven over distance, shorter rides and you risk clogging up filters and EGR valves.

I own both and always the diesel for driving longer distances but if you are a man about town then a petrol is fine.

As got MPG I don't notice a huge difference as petrol is cheaper than diesal at the pump

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
49 weeks ago

North West

"My previous daily driver was a Diesel. Never again.

Averaged around 35mpg.

I can get better than that from my 3.8 litre petrol American sports coupe.

Years ago had a Toyota people carrier with a 2.2 diesel engine.

35 mpg if you kept it to 60mph.

Do 70 and it dropped to 28mpg.

Diesel engines SHOULD return better MPG, but these days they all come fitted with turbochargers to make them driveable, which reduces their efficiency down to around that of a petrol engine.

And they chuck out far more crap.

Ask yourself why Diesels built prior to 2016 are subject to Sadiq Khans ULEZ charge but petrol engines from around 2006 aren't."

My 1.5 diesel with a small turbo will easily do 50-60mpg. Easily. I have no idea what you are doing to a diesel engine for it to be so inefficient?

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
49 weeks ago

North West

I have a Renault Sport Tourer GT line estate, 1.5 diesel with small turbo. It will run at 50-60mpg without taking too much care over your driving style. If you are very careful on the acceleration, braking, keeping a consistent speed etc it will do 70mpg.

The only problems with my car have been caused by a post manufacturer disability adaptation (nothing to do with Renault) and a hole in the Aircon system that was very expensive to fix (but kinda optional). The engine and other mechanical parts have been very reliable and I love the car. Mine is a 2012 model, still running well with only the expected parts to replace/repair with wear, e.g. fan belt, tyres, air filters etc. Aside the aircon, I've had nothing significant happen that you could attribute to Renault.

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"I guess it depends on your needs. If you do a lot of driving and travel over distance then a diesel engine will be more durable, looked after properly and a diesel engine will last around the clock and more....Diesals need to be driven over distance, shorter rides and you risk clogging up filters and EGR valves.

I own both and always the diesel for driving longer distances but if you are a man about town then a petrol is fine.

As got MPG I don't notice a huge difference as petrol is cheaper than diesal at the pump"

Very good answer

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

And don’t buy any car which starts with F unless it’s a Ferrari , don’t buy French cars also.

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By *mf123Man
49 weeks ago

with one foot out the door

I dont like petrol too much time buying fuel

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By *ome a little bit closerMan
49 weeks ago

Out 'n' About

If you do high mileage, a diesel is worth it, but you'll need to know how to look after the DPF by driving it correctly, make sure you service it more regularly than the manufacturer states, and be prepared for any of the additional components to break at any time, injectors, turbo, high pressure fuel pump, dual mass flywheel, adblue, PAT fluid etc.

An older petrol car will return less MPG but has none of the extra rubbish because it is cleaner straight off the bat, modern petrol cars with small turbocharged petrol engines are as bad as modern diesels as they share many of the same type of components nowadays.

Renault 1.2, very unreliable, ford 1.0, ditto, very few good modern cars tbh, none of them are built to last more than 8-10 years, or 100k.

Built in obselecence.

I'm a professional

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By *ysteryDocMan
49 weeks ago

Cambridge

Electric car any day

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By *Kcouple292022Couple
49 weeks ago

Glasgow

Don’t even buy a Ferrari there pish an all

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

"Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it."

I don't know if this helps, but if you intend to drive a distance fairly regular, then I'd say diesel. I think fro what I've experienced and heard you seem to get your monies worth out of the fuel consumption.

In regards to a french car, well I've also heard that they are shit to. I have a Citroen and it's shit, a decent sized car for the famalam but not sturdy.

A friend once said go for the cars that have the huge warranty on them, even if buying second hand. Like the Kia or Hyundai, as if they have a high warranty the manufacturers are obviously confident about them. Also if you like the idea of a Volkswagen, but the cost is an issue, go for a Skoda as they are made by the same people.

I don't know if that helps, but there you are

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By *ust RachelTV/TS
49 weeks ago

Horsham

I used to regularly get 70+ mpg, out of my diesel astra. It was a company car and serviced regularly, but still that isn't that bad.

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By *radleywigginsMan
49 weeks ago

northwest

Depends on approximate year of manufacture and intended use.

An older non-ECU diesel will run for ever. Modern ones are more complicated and the electronic computery bits make them more of a hassle than Petrol cars.

Diesel more fuel efficient over long distances by about an extra 30%. Short trips and in town there is nothing in it.

When buying a car, try to think about what that car will be like in 3-5 years time rather than what it is now. That’ll give you a guide as to its quality and likely resale value which will make far more of a difference in real terms ownership cost than the fuel you choose.

Only ever buy new if you literally have money to burn. The real value for all cars only starts when they are about 8years old. And then you’ll have practically depreciation free motoring. If it has been well maintained up to 20,000 miles a year is fine. And all modern cars should be good for 200k

After 8yrs/150k miles any French car is going to be a bag of nails. The German ones will be just about run in. If you really are on a budget, go Korean rather than French.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
49 weeks ago

North West

"Depends on approximate year of manufacture and intended use.

An older non-ECU diesel will run for ever. Modern ones are more complicated and the electronic computery bits make them more of a hassle than Petrol cars.

Diesel more fuel efficient over long distances by about an extra 30%. Short trips and in town there is nothing in it.

After 8yrs/150k miles any French car is going to be a bag of nails. The German ones will be just about run in. If you really are on a budget, go Korean rather than French. "

My French car is 11yrs old, about 110K miles and absolutely fine. The only reason it's benched at the minute is because the retrofitted disability adaptation broke, nothing to do with the car itself, as it's a self-contained thing.

I think this whole assumption about the nation of origin is largely nonsense. I had a 23 plate Golf as a hire car earlier this week and honestly, it was shit. And it broke down and I now have a Mini Countryman instead!

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By *oncupiscentTonyMan
49 weeks ago

Kent

The 108 was a 'French' car built as a joint venture in the Czech Republic with a Toyota engine and gearbox (PSA only contributed the styling and interior),the same as the Citroen C1 and Toyota Aygo. There is no diesel option.

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
49 weeks ago

Torquay

Steam cars are the future

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By (user no longer on site)
49 weeks ago

Electric cars is def not the way forward. They are the equivalent to the betamax video players. Will be obsolete in about 10 years time and very expensive to dispose of. Hydrogen engines will be here soon and will take over from electric. In the mean time opp i stick to diesel. But yes like loads have said more expensive when they go wrong.

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By *ormalfornorfolkMan
49 weeks ago

Norwich

"Electric cars is def not the way forward. They are the equivalent to the betamax video players. Will be obsolete in about 10 years time and very expensive to dispose of. Hydrogen engines will be here soon and will take over from electric. In the mean time opp i stick to diesel. But yes like loads have said more expensive when they go wrong."

I don’t think that’s true. Hydrogen engines make nox and other pollutants, and converting electricity to hydrogen and then hydrogen to motion is a lot less efficient than storing the electricity in a battery and then using that directly for propulsion. Even a fuel cell is only a little better than an ICE in that regard and they don’t really work at scale yet.

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By *ary69321Man
48 weeks ago

Newcastle upon tyne

I'm on my third Toyota Yaris, I absolutely love them, very reliable, I would love a new one, but they are very expensive.

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By *ndycoinsMan
48 weeks ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Peugeot 108 have no guts.My Garage used to give me one as a courtesy car.They do have DRS though,just wind the window up.On my second Peugeot 3008 GT Line,faultless.

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By *wcdfor2TV/TS
48 weeks ago

SKELMERSDALE

Getting 62 mpg out of a nissan diesel.

Had 1 French car a Peugeot, never ever again.

Water travelled up the fuse box and would of been over £2000 to fix.

Did my research and fixed it for £40 , straight on we buy any car..

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By *ome a little bit closerMan
48 weeks ago

Out 'n' About

Billions of cars on the road, not everyone can afford new, or electric, and electric doesn't work for commercial, industrial or agricultural, synthetic fuel (not biofuel) should be the future, drop in replacement, infrastructure already in place, recycling atmospheric carbon using green electricity, F1 will be using from 2025 I believe, everything trickles down from there and commercial vehicles.

90% of engines I rebuild are French (Renault, Nissan, Mercedes, Ford, Citroen) and German, BMW, VAG, and most have done under 100k, some as low as 40k, Jaguar LandRover are some of the worst I've seen.

Manufacturers are very happy to go electric, far more simple, and no Euro emissions regs to worry about as they haven't started on battery disposal regulations yet.

If you want reliability, Toyota.

Except the Verso with the BMW engine.

If you are able to afford to lease, you only have to keep it for the warranty period, then chuck it and get another new one.

Terrible for the environment, but you can't have it all!

Capitalism and environmentalism are mutually exclusive

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By *9alMan
48 weeks ago

Bridgend

if you do 10,000 miles + a year get a diesel I am on my second diesel fiesta the last one had done 150,000 miles with few minor faults sold as it was starting to get rusty

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48 weeks ago

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By *eavenNhellCouple
48 weeks ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Watch this space and remember this post in about 10 years time. Its why honda, toyota, ford, nissan cat, scania, merc and more are investing millions into the development already. Cat(hgv world) have a protatype lorry running around now. Its coming mate. Its coming."
toyota already have a hydrogen powered car running around on test they were filming near us with it last june .returns between 235 & 250 mpg at £90 a gallon according to the techs operating it problem is only three locations in the uk to fill up london sheffield and glasgow .

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By *ermite12ukMan
48 weeks ago

Solihull and Brentwood

One benefit of a diesel I found after trading in a French diesel for a Jap petrol. Is the difference in acceleration in top gear:

Petrol you have to change down, otherwise you literally go backwards.

The sh1t customer service from Stellantis, who own Peugeot and Citroen marques, plus a lot more. Something I'm not going to miss also.

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By *teveuk77Man
48 weeks ago

Watch this space and remember this post in about 10 years time. Its why honda, toyota, ford, nissan cat, scania, merc and more are investing millions into the development already. Cat(hgv world) have a protatype lorry running around now. Its coming mate. Its coming.toyota already have a hydrogen powered car running around on test they were filming near us with it last june .returns between 235 & 250 mpg at £90 a gallon according to the techs operating it problem is only three locations in the uk to fill up london sheffield and glasgow ."

£90 a gallon?

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By *CBoyTV/TS
48 weeks ago

Sheffield

I have a Dacia Diesel and pay no road tax and get over 400 miles from a full tank. What's not to like about that.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

Watch this space and remember this post in about 10 years time. Its why honda, toyota, ford, nissan cat, scania, merc and more are investing millions into the development already. Cat(hgv world) have a protatype lorry running around now. Its coming mate. Its coming.toyota already have a hydrogen powered car running around on test they were filming near us with it last june .returns between 235 & 250 mpg at £90 a gallon according to the techs operating it problem is only three locations in the uk to fill up london sheffield and glasgow .

£90 a gallon? "

Yes it is. But remember that price will fall when the production is increased.

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By *2000ManMan
48 weeks ago

Worthing

Had a Golf Tdi 2001 model. Less complex but still good compared to the recent ones. 50mpg average. Good car.

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By *eavenNhellCouple
48 weeks ago

carrbrook stalybridge

Watch this space and remember this post in about 10 years time. Its why honda, toyota, ford, nissan cat, scania, merc and more are investing millions into the development already. Cat(hgv world) have a protatype lorry running around now. Its coming mate. Its coming.toyota already have a hydrogen powered car running around on test they were filming near us with it last june .returns between 235 & 250 mpg at £90 a gallon according to the techs operating it problem is only three locations in the uk to fill up london sheffield and glasgow .

£90 a gallon? "
at current prices apparently so but look at the mpg .once more people are using and more places are selling price will come down .can see it being used more for comercial vehicles at first

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

Got a 2007 Octavia tdi Vrs and just test drove a 2018 Bmw M240i im now in love

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By *heelz69Man
48 weeks ago

Manchester

Diesel or petrol I would always stay away from anything French or Italian, you will usually have problems with the electrics, if you want something reliable I would say German or Japanese! German cars are usually more expensive to buy and maintain, but usually bulletproof. Japanese are usually cheaper again looked after they're usually bulletproof. Speaking from experience anyway but everyone will have their own opinion. I have 2 Italian bikes (Ducatis) kept nice and warm in my house, and all you have to do is look at them and they break, but I have my Kawasaki in my cold garage and after it not being ran for 18months it started and ran perfectly!

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
48 weeks ago

North West

"Diesel or petrol I would always stay away from anything French or Italian, you will usually have problems with the electrics, if you want something reliable I would say German or Japanese! German cars are usually more expensive to buy and maintain, but usually bulletproof. Japanese are usually cheaper again looked after they're usually bulletproof. Speaking from experience anyway but everyone will have their own opinion. I have 2 Italian bikes (Ducatis) kept nice and warm in my house, and all you have to do is look at them and they break, but I have my Kawasaki in my cold garage and after it not being ran for 18months it started and ran perfectly!"

Yet, a 2023 VW Golf on hire broke down on me on Thursday. My 2012 French car is only undriveable for me because the disability adaptation is broken. Any able bodied person who can operate a foot clutch could drive it to their heart's content.

My experience of a French car (and French cars continuously over years) has been good. I only had one problematic one, a Renault Scenic that I bought cheaply.

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By *heelz69Man
48 weeks ago

Manchester

My experience of a French car (and French cars continuously over years) has been good. I only had one problematic one, a Renault Scenic that I bought cheaply. "

Like I said everyone will have different opinions and experiences, I'm just going off mine.

Great profile by the way xx

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By *oppleWangerMan
48 weeks ago

Gods Country

Suppose it depends what you’re using it for.

I’ve a couple of petrol hot hatch toys, 2 I use for track days, the other I use for fast road/ B road blasting in the summer.

I also have 2 Diesel Beamers, 1 is totally boggo (all the Msport add ons) excellent comfort machine, the other (all the Msport add ons) but i’ve had it tuned, it pummels out tons of black smoke (I pay alot for emissions so want my monies worth) and it eats pretty much anything on the road when it needs to, whilst being extremely comfortable and bring in around 50mpg

If I had to choose, i’d probably pick one of my dervs out of the 5

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By *hriscooperMan
48 weeks ago

Warrington

"Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it."

I agree, avoid French and Italian like the plague unless you're a genius with a multimeter and enjoy diagnosing electrical gremlins in your spare time..

Stick to Japanese or German.

I personally think diesels are great!

The only things that ruin them are people that do 6000miles a year around town. A diesel is meant for long runs on a motorway.

So get one, have the DPF drilled out, get it remapped to delete the Adblue and EGR. Also adds a load more power. All for the cost of around £350.

Then enjoy great fuel economy, real world low end power, and solid reliability.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

"Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it.

I agree, avoid French and Italian like the plague unless you're a genius with a multimeter and enjoy diagnosing electrical gremlins in your spare time..

Stick to Japanese or German.

I personally think diesels are great!

The only things that ruin them are people that do 6000miles a year around town. A diesel is meant for long runs on a motorway.

So get one, have the DPF drilled out, get it remapped to delete the Adblue and EGR. Also adds a load more power. All for the cost of around £350.

Then enjoy great fuel economy, real world low end power, and solid reliability. "

Do the above and then look forward to a mot falure, black soot over the boot and a burnt out turbo as the egr isnt keeping it cool.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

"Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it."

Diesel cars get clogged on short journeys then expensive repair.

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By *ove a bjMan
48 weeks ago

Liverpool

I had a peugeot 206 1.1 petrol for my 1st car. Had my 1st 4sum in it too.

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By *adbod2godbodMan
48 weeks ago

Manchester

The pug 108, Citroen ç1 and Toyota Aygo are all essentially the same car. Just different badges.

Not much good for a weekly shop, but a brilliant little car. It won't have top end anything.....but it's got a brilliant little 3 pot engine and a nice gearbox. Handles well enough.

If it's a first car, you won't go far long. Just make sure it has enough space for you.

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By *usie pTV/TS
48 weeks ago

taunton

I am sure the government and I suppose experts convinced us that diesel engines were better and caused less pollution than petrol engines, now I think that is reversed. This is what makes me deeply suspicous that battery power is as beneficial as they want us to believe but I suppose we will eventually be forced down that route if we want to continue to drive, think I can probably last out with diesel.

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By (user no longer on site)
48 weeks ago

Short journeys- buy a petrol,

Long journeys- diesel

If you drive into London or a few other cities around the country- make sure the diesel is euro 6 compliant 2016 onwards or pertol euro 4- 2002-3 onwards to be safe.

Old diesels will be more expensive to maintain and have more to go wrong especially if they are only used short distances.

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By *annibal_LickedherMan
48 weeks ago

The Side of the Mersey

"The pug 108, Citroen ç1 and Toyota Aygo are all essentially the same car. Just different badges.

Not much good for a weekly shop, but a brilliant little car. It won't have top end anything.....but it's got a brilliant little 3 pot engine and a nice gearbox. Handles well enough.

If it's a first car, you won't go far long. Just make sure it has enough space for you."

What this guy said. Cracking little cars. No they aren’t fast, they aren’t spacious but they are brilliant at what they are designed for.

Also if you get bored of it, watch Bad Obsession Motorsport on YouTube. They built a race car from a Citroen C1

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By *pankingNorfolkCouple
48 weeks ago

Norwichish

To make Diesel engines efficient and low in CO2 they started releasing a lot more crap into the atmosphere and is why they fail the ULEZ test in older cars compared to petrol cars. ULEZ is about air pollutants rather than efficiency, there are a lot of horrible gases released by the really efficient diesels.

Used to be that diesel was a penny or two more expensive than unleaded and if you did lots of motorway miles they were by far the cheapest to run. But diesel is now on average 7-10p more expensive so it probably balances out even for those doing long journeys.

DPFs on old diesel cars that have only been used to drive to the shops and back will be a problem. On an old BMw I used to have to have a little app and gizmo that attached to the OBD so that I could force it to regenerate.

I now have a Qashqai 1.5 diesel, the mpg is consistently in the high 50’s and sometimes low 60’s

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By *m3232Man
48 weeks ago

maidenhead

Diesel is the fuel of the devil

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By *hriscooperMan
48 weeks ago

Warrington

"Diesel Engines tend to max out MPG, and cheap on tax any reason why they're not more common. I'm asking cos I intend to purchase a car soon.

Also is Peugeot 108 any good. I saw one I liked but I've been told to avoid French brands so I'm not sure where I am on it.

I agree, avoid French and Italian like the plague unless you're a genius with a multimeter and enjoy diagnosing electrical gremlins in your spare time..

Stick to Japanese or German.

I personally think diesels are great!

The only things that ruin them are people that do 6000miles a year around town. A diesel is meant for long runs on a motorway.

So get one, have the DPF drilled out, get it remapped to delete the Adblue and EGR. Also adds a load more power. All for the cost of around £350.

Then enjoy great fuel economy, real world low end power, and solid reliability.

Do the above and then look forward to a mot falure, black soot over the boot and a burnt out turbo as the egr isnt keeping it cool. "

Absolute rubbish..but I respect your opinion.

Never had an mot failure, doesn't get any more dirty than any other car, EGR is just another device to restrict the car and is NOT even needed.

I've done all of the above for each car I've had only the last 7 or 8 years (mine, and my kids cars) and never ever had a problem over the 50,000-65,000 miles I've covered.

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