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"Well, your 1 meet against my 0 is proof. I had my first account since last July. I was told my old account without verification is ruining my chances. Made a shiny new one and it's absolutely the same. Changed my bio and photos like 150 times. Don't even bother to message anymore. Gave up trying and it's actually makes me feel better about myself. Hanging out on the forum is better, than watching the big fat zeros I guess." Have you been to any organised socials yet, Roland? | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal"  | |||
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"Well, your 1 meet against my 0 is proof. I had my first account since last July. I was told my old account without verification is ruining my chances. Made a shiny new one and it's absolutely the same. Changed my bio and photos like 150 times. Don't even bother to message anymore. Gave up trying and it's actually makes me feel better about myself. Hanging out on the forum is better, than watching the big fat zeros I guess. Have you been to any organised socials yet, Roland?" *** Hardly anybody replied or contacted me in a 20 mile radius. Always the same people online since I registered pretty much. Heard all the reasons why not, whoever replied or contacted. " Mrs don't like your face" " I do groups, so bring another male" " You're not experienced in XY kink" " Good girth, but I want 8"+ " " Too hairy, not tall, smoker " Don't like accents" " White British only" " Too fat" ***MODERATOR! Didn't quote from messages. Just describing them with similar words. Please don't ruin my only day off in 7 days. Thanks!**** I'm the only one on the forum within 90 miles usually. So on a social probably it would be just "me in the corner". I might just save that tiny self esteem I have left. I just can't have another kick when I'm already laying on the floor. Not whinging, just being realistic. Can't afford to be naive. I'm horny, but okay. Don't want to be horny and depressed. | |||
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"Single men particularly often wonder what they’re doing wrong but a quick look at my “See who’s near” shows why the odds are stacked against us. Already excluding those I’ve blocked, within 4 miles: 58 (85%) are ‘single’ males 7 (10%) are MF couples 3 (4%) are women. That’s without considering their filters based on age, sexuality, etc, or their level of interest based on your profile and pics. Furthermore, they might not be looking for a man at all. So your probability of finding a suitable partner here is minimal. But it can work "You see male profiles on here who have tons of veris... A small percentage of guys absolutely clean up and the rest are left in the cold | |||
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".….….So your probability of finding a suitable partner here is minimal. But it can work "• It ·does· work. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" Beautiful response and actually very true. | |||
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"Single men particularly often wonder what they’re doing wrong but a quick look at my “See who’s near” shows why the odds are stacked against us. Already excluding those I’ve blocked, within 4 miles: 58 (85%) are ‘single’ males 7 (10%) are MF couples 3 (4%) are women. That’s without considering their filters based on age, sexuality, etc, or their level of interest based on your profile and pics. Furthermore, they might not be looking for a man at all. So your probability of finding a suitable partner here is minimal. But it can work "Oh no it can't | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" Have to agree with this. I've asked these questions numerous times on here when the numbers issue and ratios are discussed. I've never once viewed anything I do on here as a competition because who am I competing against? All the other men online? All men in NI? All the 58 year old men in NI? All the 58 year old men in my local area? In the same way that the mantra about women holding all the power on here is only applicable if you make it so, why do so many men view the fab female population as the Borg? If you are approaching them as a collective it's never going to work. If you approach a woman as an individual and as an equal rather than standing at the foot of her pedestal waving frantically it's surprising how much less stressful the whole experience is. There are many younger, fitter and better endowed men on here but I didn't sign up until I was 52 and apart from the very start when I was finding my feet in a new environment, I've never had a problem having conversations and meeting on here. Mainly because I don't look at numbers and I don't consider any other man on here as competition. It's not even about geography because I live in a much smaller country with no swingers clubs so every engagement on here for the first few years was through direct messaging. Most of the barriers to success on here are self built and that success or lack of is also subjective and relative to individual expectation. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" That is very true, not many men seem to grasp that. | |||
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"Single men particularly often wonder what they’re doing wrong but a quick look at my “See who’s near” shows why the odds are stacked against us. Already excluding those I’ve blocked, within 4 miles: 58 (85%) are ‘single’ males 7 (10%) are MF couples 3 (4%) are women. That’s without considering their filters based on age, sexuality, etc, or their level of interest based on your profile and pics. Furthermore, they might not be looking for a man at all. So your probability of finding a suitable partner here is minimal. But it can work "Some of those MF couples and Women may actually be Men, the odds may be lengthening! | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" Whilst this is totally true, where it does make a difference, is in being seen. If a lady is getting 100 messages a day, then she might not even get to see yours before just bulk deleting everything. Ultimately though, you can only control your own stuff and not the number of people on the site, so what Horny-DJ says is SPOT ON Cal | |||
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"I guess it depends on what you want. Ease of access or someone you actually like. " And if you don't like anyone? Switch to ease off access? | |||
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"May the odds be ever in your favour. We never have "who's near" switched on. It cuts down on the horny meet now messages and the creepy I saw you in Tesco messages. I don't know about other couples but I suspect it's similar for a lot of women. J" Which means you don't show on the who's near when people use it to gauge these numbers. Who's near looks for those with who's near on and recently online. Men tend to spend more time on fab. And men are less likely to worry about the weirdos who try to triangulate your location from the who's near and leave it tirn3d on. That said, there's certainly more active men than women on here. But, as has been said before, it doesn't matter how many others there are 'competing' when 95% of them are just flinging unwanted noodles into the inbox of any viable orifice | |||
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"“Don’t tell me the odds” None of that really matters, I’ve been on here for ten years, found several relationships, many people to meet and a hat full of friends. I’m not rich, well endowed or classically handsome. Half of the ‘thing’ with this site is working out how to meet those that you will connect with. If you focus on who’s near and statistics then you’re doing it wrong " Just 6ft 4 and shredded | |||
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"“Don’t tell me the odds” None of that really matters, I’ve been on here for ten years, found several relationships, many people to meet and a hat full of friends. I’m not rich, well endowed or classically handsome. Half of the ‘thing’ with this site is working out how to meet those that you will connect with. If you focus on who’s near and statistics then you’re doing it wrong Just 6ft 4 and shredded " I don't know why, but having met tea, that description made me laugh | |||
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"For the guys that are bemoaning the lack of action, make a difference for yourself.! Get to a club and be normal, chatty and friendly. Not a wanking zombie. Get known and verified and people will be interested in you. “Don’t wait for your ship to come in.. Swim out and meet it..!” Barry Sheene. I’m not ripped, shredded or packing 10” but happily meet people. Met Becky on here and have amazing times. Get out what you put in.! " Another athletic 6ft 3 bloke lol | |||
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"Another athletic 6ft 3 bloke lol" Height isn't everything. All of my partners who are on fab are shorter than yourself, not 'ripped' and have verifications from other women too | |||
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"For the guys that are bemoaning the lack of action, make a difference for yourself.! Get to a club and be normal, chatty and friendly. Not a wanking zombie. Get known and verified and people will be interested in you. “Don’t wait for your ship to come in.. Swim out and meet it..!” Barry Sheene. I’m not ripped, shredded or packing 10” but happily meet people. Met Becky on here and have amazing times. Get out what you put in.! Another athletic 6ft 3 bloke lol" Kinda blunts the message doesn’t it “Why haven’t you tried being really really ridiculously attractive” | |||
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"For the guys that are bemoaning the lack of action, make a difference for yourself.! Get to a club and be normal, chatty and friendly. Not a wanking zombie. Get known and verified and people will be interested in you. “Don’t wait for your ship to come in.. Swim out and meet it..!” Barry Sheene. I’m not ripped, shredded or packing 10” but happily meet people. Met Becky on here and have amazing times. Get out what you put in.! Another athletic 6ft 3 bloke lol" FFS… 
I’m over the age of most peoples filters, bald and bisexual and have an average size cock.
And all you see is my height and build..!
Go and socialise..! | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world | |||
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"For the guys that are bemoaning the lack of action, make a difference for yourself.! Get to a club and be normal, chatty and friendly. Not a wanking zombie. Get known and verified and people will be interested in you. “Don’t wait for your ship to come in.. Swim out and meet it..!” Barry Sheene. I’m not ripped, shredded or packing 10” but happily meet people. Met Becky on here and have amazing times. Get out what you put in.! " I'm perfectly normal and can hold a conversation, but if you're denying the fact that looks play a massive part that frankly your in denial. Personality doesn't come into if no one will talk to you...I appreciate I'm referring to talking to single women on here as opposed to going to club events | |||
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"For the guys that are bemoaning the lack of action, make a difference for yourself.! Get to a club and be normal, chatty and friendly. Not a wanking zombie. Get known and verified and people will be interested in you. “Don’t wait for your ship to come in.. Swim out and meet it..!” Barry Sheene. I’m not ripped, shredded or packing 10” but happily meet people. Met Becky on here and have amazing times. Get out what you put in.! Another athletic 6ft 3 bloke lol FFS…
I’m over the age of most peoples filters, bald and bisexual and have an average size cock.
And all you see is my height and build..!
Go and socialise..! "I have normal friends for socializing lol, tha wasn't my main reason for joining haha. And yeah fair point I don't know what you look like was just making a general point haha | |||
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"I have normal friends for socializing lol, tha wasn't my main reason for joining haha." If you don't want to socialise and just want to fuck and go, that's your choices cutting down your own market | |||
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"I have normal friends for socializing lol, tha wasn't my main reason for joining haha. If you don't want to socialise and just want to fuck and go, that's your choices cutting down your own market "Touchee I'll give you that one...tbh I'd be a bit nervous about going to a swingers club to socialize | |||
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"I sometimes look and the closest woman is 10 miles away " **The closest woman who's been online in the past ten minutes and has mobile location on is 10 miles away  | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world" And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men." You haven't had a verification in a year ? | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men." I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. You haven't had a verification in a year ? " What's that got to do with anything? Do people need constant validation of multiple meets? | |||
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"Single men particularly often wonder what they’re doing wrong but a quick look at my “See who’s near” shows why the odds are stacked against us. Already excluding those I’ve blocked, within 4 miles: 58 (85%) are ‘single’ males 7 (10%) are MF couples 3 (4%) are women. That’s without considering their filters based on age, sexuality, etc, or their level of interest based on your profile and pics. Furthermore, they might not be looking for a man at all. So your probability of finding a suitable partner here is minimal. But it can work " who's the 1%? | |||
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"I sometimes look and the closest woman is 10 miles away **The closest woman who's been online in the past ten minutes and has mobile location on is 10 miles away "Yes that is true, and if they are interested the mileage goes up incredibly | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men." Realistic* | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. You haven't had a verification in a year ? " He hasn’t posted a verification in a year, there’s a big difference. No verifications doesn’t equal not meeting. Also, you seem very willing to find reasons as to why people who disagree with you are wrong, it’s a very defeatist and self pitying attitude | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing "See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. You haven't had a verification in a year ? He hasn’t posted a verification in a year, there’s a big difference. No verifications doesn’t equal not meeting. Also, you seem very willing to find reasons as to why people who disagree with you are wrong, it’s a very defeatist and self pitying attitude" Or perhaps when people admit they feel a certain way they get immediately gaslight and told there some wanking zombie incel. And I've had a verification so it's not me saying this without ever getting a meet. I just the feel way I do | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing
See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested.
From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks.
It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well.
"Here’s the trick If you go to play poker, do you get upset that you can’t afford to sit at the £1000 a hand tables? Or do you just go to the tables you can play at? That’s life. Fab isn’t suited for most guys You’ll do far better on the apps And even better in real life, where there’s far more than just looks If somethings effecting your mental health, don’t continue. Go where it’s more suited for you. | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well." I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people | |||
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"May the odds be ever in your favour. We never have "who's near" switched on. It cuts down on the horny meet now messages and the creepy I saw you in Tesco messages. I don't know about other couples but I suspect it's similar for a lot of women. J Which means you don't show on the who's near when people use it to gauge these numbers. Who's near looks for those with who's near on and recently online. Men tend to spend more time on fab. And men are less likely to worry about the weirdos who try to triangulate your location from the who's near and leave it tirn3d on. That said, there's certainly more active men than women on here. But, as has been said before, it doesn't matter how many others there are 'competing' when 95% of them are just flinging unwanted noodles into the inbox of any viable orifice "The Noodle Incidents!  | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people "So eloquently put. I think the same way as this too. | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people "I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties. | |||
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"I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties." Being in my thirties, female, and generally not interested in dating anyone younger than me, obviously. But that doesn't mean that every woman born a few years after me is absolutely wired to only care about that 666 nonsense. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing
See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested.
From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks.
It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well.
"I'm not 6ft, covered in tatts or hung like a horse. I'm almost 60 years old with 7 years experience of this "lifestyle" and zero previous experience of anything even close to this website. I have standards and preferences that I'm not prepared to compromise on so that immediately reduces my audience but yet despite that I've had 4 single profiles with a combined total of 60+ veries and I've met some amazing women just by being me including a very special friend with whom I also have a couples profile. If someone with all my limitations can have some measure of success here then anyone can and height, weight, age etc just become excuses. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing
See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested.
From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks.
It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well.
I'm not 6ft, covered in tatts or hung like a horse. I'm almost 60 years old with 7 years experience of this "lifestyle" and zero previous experience of anything even close to this website.
I have standards and preferences that I'm not prepared to compromise on so that immediately reduces my audience but yet despite that I've had 4 single profiles with a combined total of 60+ veries and I've met some amazing women just by being me including a very special friend with whom I also have a couples profile.
If someone with all my limitations can have some measure of success here then anyone can and height, weight, age etc just become excuses. "You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive" Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped "This. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal I think that’s a cute but unrealised view of the world And yet it's a fully realised summation of my fab experience and many other men. I think the caveat they miss is "A lady I might be interested in." If you're firing your unwanted noodle at the inbox every viable orifice, then you are going to hit the ones that are purely interested in the aesthetics and give a shit about the features they go on about. People looking to actually connect with people they're actually interested in, that's a different game to the one they're playing
See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested.
From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks.
It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well.
I'm not 6ft, covered in tatts or hung like a horse. I'm almost 60 years old with 7 years experience of this "lifestyle" and zero previous experience of anything even close to this website.
I have standards and preferences that I'm not prepared to compromise on so that immediately reduces my audience but yet despite that I've had 4 single profiles with a combined total of 60+ veries and I've met some amazing women just by being me including a very special friend with whom I also have a couples profile.
If someone with all my limitations can have some measure of success here then anyone can and height, weight, age etc just become excuses.
You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket.
And that marketplace is very competitive"It’s not a competition though. Viewing it as such is dehumanising for yourself and if someone treats you like that, then walk. If I ever feel like I’m in a competition with anyone for someone’s attention, I leave. People are not prizes. If it’s the curse of online interactions, then avoid the online aspect; meet people in person. There are so many options out there beyond banging your head against the same wall and getting the same results | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped "Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha"Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects? Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc"On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time. Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now | |||
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"Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha" What are you sending people? A lack of response isn't necessarily down to the supposed competition. | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc
On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time.
Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now "So why don’t you just stick to the apps? Fabs is much harder than the apps. Why get annoyed at what doesn’t work when something else is working? | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc
On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time.
Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now
So why don’t you just stick to the apps?
Fabs is much harder than the apps. Why get annoyed at what doesn’t work when something else is working? "I'm first date cursed, I had what I thought was a lovely date last Sunday and have been ghosted since...shrugs | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc
On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time.
Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now
So why don’t you just stick to the apps?
Fabs is much harder than the apps. Why get annoyed at what doesn’t work when something else is working?
I'm first date cursed, I had what I thought was a lovely date last Sunday and have been ghosted since...shrugs "And you think the outcome from a fabs social would be any different? Stop stressing about fabs, this place is barely real. Stick to what works and keep going out on dates and socials. It’s a numbers game. You’ll get ghosted, you’ll get stood up, you’ll have some success. But don’t waste energy on this | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc
On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time.
Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now
So why don’t you just stick to the apps?
Fabs is much harder than the apps. Why get annoyed at what doesn’t work when something else is working?
I'm first date cursed, I had what I thought was a lovely date last Sunday and have been ghosted since...shrugs
And you think the outcome from a fabs social would be any different?
Stop stressing about fabs, this place is barely real. Stick to what works and keep going out on dates and socials. It’s a numbers game. You’ll get ghosted, you’ll get stood up, you’ll have some success.
But don’t waste energy on this "In fairness, it's Friday early afternoon...I don't do much work on Fridays lol | |||
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"You're meeting a different age demographic to me...I'm 29, athletic and looking for single women in the same sort of age bracket. And that marketplace is very competitive Viewing it as a competition may be part of the problem. If someone is actually into you, it doesn't matter if there's someone prettier or taller or more ripped
Again within the context of fab, if no response to your messages then you have to assume no ones into you haha
Out of interest, how are you doing in other aspects?
Apps? Pulling on a night out? Meeting friends of friends that become more than friends etc etc
On normal dating apps I do very well at getting matches and going on socials and then then they never see me again lol.... despite it seeming to go ok at the time.
Nights out... don't really do clubbing anymore. My friend are mainly engaged now
So why don’t you just stick to the apps?
Fabs is much harder than the apps. Why get annoyed at what doesn’t work when something else is working?
I'm first date cursed, I had what I thought was a lovely date last Sunday and have been ghosted since...shrugs
And you think the outcome from a fabs social would be any different?
Stop stressing about fabs, this place is barely real. Stick to what works and keep going out on dates and socials. It’s a numbers game. You’ll get ghosted, you’ll get stood up, you’ll have some success.
But don’t waste energy on this
In fairness, it's Friday early afternoon...I don't do much work on Fridays lol "Well I hope things pick up for you I had 2 dates planned this weekend and 1 just flaked. That’s why I arranged 2. Numbers game. Get out there and play it. | |||
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"It wouldn't make a difference if there were 1,000 other men in my area or just me, a lady I might be interested in will either like me or she won't. Other men have nothing to do with my appeal" Agreed. You either find someone attractive or you don't, no need to get hung up on the odds. All it means is that single men do have to accept that the sheer numbers of us mean single women and couples are going to be inundated with messages, so be patient and don't kick off if you don't get a reply you like (or a reply at all). | |||
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"I heard on a podcast some time ago referencing various studies taken from multiple sources, thinktanks etc, who'd compiled some troubling research. In the modern dating market, the ratios were something like 80% of the women are attracted to the top 20% of the men Which leaves 80% of the men are left to pursue 20% of the women There were also some incredibly dark stats, like nearly half of modern men are single, and 30% have never even had sex or been in a relationship at all. It's not the sole cause, but notice how society is demonstrably becoming ever more distrusting, fragmented and hostile? It's all connected. Oh, and welcome to the site! "That's been proven to be absolute bollocks hasn't it? | |||
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"I heard on a podcast some time ago referencing various studies taken from multiple sources, thinktanks etc, who'd compiled some troubling research. In the modern dating market, the ratios were something like 80% of the women are attracted to the top 20% of the men Which leaves 80% of the men are left to pursue 20% of the women There were also some incredibly dark stats, like nearly half of modern men are single, and 30% have never even had sex or been in a relationship at all. It's not the sole cause, but notice how society is demonstrably becoming ever more distrusting, fragmented and hostile? It's all connected. Oh, and welcome to the site!
That's been proven to be absolute bollocks hasn't it?"Not entirely, there’s plenty of data to back it up, some people say the data isn’t good enough, and there’s data to somewhat disprove it too I think it’s partly factual, but not as extreme as some make it | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
"You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie. | |||
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"I heard on a podcast some time ago referencing various studies taken from multiple sources, thinktanks etc, who'd compiled some troubling research. In the modern dating market, the ratios were something like 80% of the women are attracted to the top 20% of the men Which leaves 80% of the men are left to pursue 20% of the women There were also some incredibly dark stats, like nearly half of modern men are single, and 30% have never even had sex or been in a relationship at all. It's not the sole cause, but notice how society is demonstrably becoming ever more distrusting, fragmented and hostile? It's all connected. Oh, and welcome to the site!
That's been proven to be absolute bollocks hasn't it?"Proven by whom? | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie. "And white? The number of BBC hunters I see on here I’d have to think that doesn’t matter But otherwise, yeah. When it’s like 1000 to 1 ratio in here physical preferences matter more | |||
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"Started my Fab journey as a couple, we played for about five years both on Fab and around the club scene. Met a great guy several times sat at the bar of a long gone Manchester club (IYKYK), connected on Fab although we never played. One week he notched up three verifications so next time I saw him at the bar, well I had to ask! His view, an absolute numbers game, he’d meet people at clubs, connect on Fab and then tell Jane that he knew Peter, he’d tell Peter he’d met Paul and then tell Janet he knew Sarah and her pal and so on; in effect, networking on a biblical scale! He never posted specific verifications, his view, some wouldn’t play with him if they knew he’d played with Anna from Kirkby; you could see his verification numbers but not the detail, he didn’t want to limit his numbers by giving details! He almost never sent unsolicited messages, in his view, a total waste of time as a single guy; he married a fellow Fabster and they play as a couple nowadays. Personally, I don’t want to put a shift in, it doesn’t mean that much to me nowadays but successful singles guys are less than 1% of Fab and it’s all about who they know in my experience. Good luck chaps "This
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie.
And white? The number of BBC hunters I see on here I’d have to think that doesn’t matter
But otherwise, yeah. When it’s like 1000 to 1 ratio in here physical preferences matter more "Sorry forgot about BBCs , rightly pointed out. | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie.
And white? The number of BBC hunters I see on here I’d have to think that doesn’t matter
But otherwise, yeah. When it’s like 1000 to 1 ratio in here physical preferences matter more "Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie.
And white? The number of BBC hunters I see on here I’d have to think that doesn’t matter
But otherwise, yeah. When it’s like 1000 to 1 ratio in here physical preferences matter more
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie.
And white? The number of BBC hunters I see on here I’d have to think that doesn’t matter
But otherwise, yeah. When it’s like 1000 to 1 ratio in here physical preferences matter more
Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will
Dear lord. I worry that people have these attitudes "It's not an attitude its a fact , makes for a good discussion if anything | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie. "One thing to remember is that this is a swinging site, not a sex site - it's subtle difference that often gets overlooked. If you want meets then engage in the social side too - find a local social event and go along and actually talk to people, build connections (without expectation of it leading anywhere)... you'll be amazed how it will change your experience on here. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will " So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality "Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality "I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread. Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant | |||
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" Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will Dear lord. I worry that people have these attitudes " It's really incredible. Save yourself the worry. Nothing anyone says is likely to change it. It's like they have it all figured out. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks "I've met plenty of men who do actually admit to this... | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks "You don’t speak for guys | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant "No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen... It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks "I disagree, I work hard on my self why should I accept any holes a goal mentality | |||
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Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks "I can think of one former work colleague who didn't care and any hole was a goal. Apart from that I've never met another man with that attitude. | |||
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Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks
I've met plenty of men who do actually admit to this... "I think of myself as an Everyman, I’m nothing special in most departments but reading things like that really make me reconsider my position | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
"Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important | |||
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"See I don't fire cock pics in every direction. I send normal nice messages in the hope someone might be interested. From my perspective, it's just frustrating and sometimes confidence damaging to feel like you work hard at your appearance but still it never seems to be enough for the people you message, because I'm not 6ft whatever,covered in tattoos with model looks. It's a first world problem I know but sites like this really bring out negative feelings in guys...most of which just can't articulate that frustration overly well. I don't actually need to see a dick pic to know when a guy is wandering into my inbox with his dick in hand. It's more about the thinking with the penis. Though the outright dick pics are definitively worse of course. You seem to be very concerned with your looks. I don't care how tall someone is, but I care if they care about how tall they are. Tattoos can be beautiful, hideous, non existent ot anywhere in between, but they're irrelevant to me. It's more about the person being comfortable in their own skin, however they've shaped and altered it over their lifetime, for me at least. Some people are all about the aesthetics. I just don't choose to engage with those people
I think you're disconnected from the reality of being a young male in the online dating age in your twenties.
You are absolutely right. You have to be a model looking , 6ft + and white, else you got minimum chance here. I have been here for 1 year and no luck. Just one coffee meet. Most people don't reply to messages ( that's because they get a lot of messages) and very few polite ones will reject politely. That's because they get a lot of messages, and that's because there are so many men here. And then it just comes down to demand and supply as you rightly pointed out. People want to be polite here and state that -"oh height and looks doesn't matter", but the bare truth is numbers don't lie.
One thing to remember is that this is a swinging site, not a sex site - it's subtle difference that often gets overlooked. If you want meets then engage in the social side too - find a local social event and go along and actually talk to people, build connections (without expectation of it leading anywhere)... you'll be amazed how it will change your experience on here."That might be true, and yes I have not gone to any socials yet. | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important " It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important "I get zero interest from fab for my pictures and I was more popular when I was overweight. I got in shape for my personal happiness. All of my connections have come from meeting people in person. People are attracted to lots of different body types. Don’t believe the rubbish that the media tells you | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... " I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days | |||
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" One thing to remember is that this is a swinging site, not a sex site - it's subtle difference that often gets overlooked. If you want meets then engage in the social side too - find a local social event and go along and actually talk to people, build connections (without expectation of it leading anywhere)... you'll be amazed how it will change your experience on here. That might be true, and yes I have not gone to any socials yet. " I would honestly recommend it, you'll meet some great people | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days " What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? | |||
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"I think this site has run it course now, it needs a total revamp and a new way of stopping fake profiles from being made daily, in one small area 15 new profiles where made in one day, now I doubt that amount of people from a that small area would be joining this site in such a quick succession, coupes profiles need to be looked into as many are not couples now but just the male now running the page." All you need is common sense. Fakes are easy to spot. There is a reason most people on the scene use this site and thats because its still the best | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? " I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. " That’s fair enough then, just seemed like you were after something or making a point. Didn’t realise it wad just venting into the void. | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. That’s fair enough then, just seemed like you were after something or making a point. Didn’t realise it wad just venting into the void. " Although the response from this forum has convinced me to simply keep these thoughts to myself in everyday life..... I know how I'll be perceived | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks
I can think of one former work colleague who didn't care and any hole was a goal.
Apart from that I've never met another man with that attitude. "You've never met another man who would sleep with someone he sees as not as attractive as himself?? Really | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. That’s fair enough then, just seemed like you were after something or making a point. Didn’t realise it wad just venting into the void. Although the response from this forum has convinced me to simply keep these thoughts to myself in everyday life..... I know how I'll be perceived " This forum isn’t the place for those thoughts. Know your audience. This forums full of a fairly specific type of people and mindset Your thoughts and feelings are valid, but they won’t be treated that way here | |||
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"I think this site has run it course now, it needs a total revamp and a new way of stopping fake profiles from being made daily, in one small area 15 new profiles where made in one day, now I doubt that amount of people from a that small area would be joining this site in such a quick succession, coupes profiles need to be looked into as many are not couples now but just the male now running the page. All you need is common sense. Fakes are easy to spot. There is a reason most people on the scene use this site and thats because its still the best " This site has massively gone down hill | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. That’s fair enough then, just seemed like you were after something or making a point. Didn’t realise it wad just venting into the void. Although the response from this forum has convinced me to simply keep these thoughts to myself in everyday life..... I know how I'll be perceived This forum isn’t the place for those thoughts. Know your audience. This forums full of a fairly specific type of people and mindset Your thoughts and feelings are valid, but they won’t be treated that way here " Exactly, the amount saying oh go to socials, are the same people on here calling me negative, a wank zombie, entitled, shit profile, dull, blocking me in some cases haha. Why would I want to socialize with these type of people in real life. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
Hayyy I don't make the rules haa but ye mostly men don't care where they put their dicks
I can think of one former work colleague who didn't care and any hole was a goal.
Apart from that I've never met another man with that attitude.
You've never met another man who would sleep with someone he sees as not as attractive as himself?? Really "Yes really. It's not difficult to grasp. All my male friends and work colleagues are very fussy but don't objectify women either. Some of my female work colleagues would quite happily ride anything with a cock. | |||
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" Yet every single bloke who's disagreeing with him, are all ver clearly gym bunnies or at least very athletic...which suggests being in shape is pretty damn important It's really not. I've been passed over for people who aren't gym goers before and that's fine. People like different body types and people are comfortable BEING different body types, you'll never be everyone's cup of tea. If you go to the gym for anyone other than yourself then that's maybe something you should look at... I go for myself and my mental well-being, always have done...and I'm more sports than weights focused these days What are you after though that you don’t already know? Height, build, attractiveness all play a role, obviously On a site that’s mainly about sex, physical things play more of a role that in real life. Obviously People will claim none of those things matter until they’re blue in the face, for whatever reason. You know that’s not true Beyond that, what can you change? Nothing really except how you act or maybe hitting the gym or getting a tattoo Not sure what you’re actually after? Reassurance? I'm not after anything, fab is just a place to let out internal thoughts and feelings I wouldn't normally talk about. That’s fair enough then, just seemed like you were after something or making a point. Didn’t realise it wad just venting into the void. Although the response from this forum has convinced me to simply keep these thoughts to myself in everyday life..... I know how I'll be perceived This forum isn’t the place for those thoughts. Know your audience. This forums full of a fairly specific type of people and mindset Your thoughts and feelings are valid, but they won’t be treated that way here Exactly, the amount saying oh go to socials, are the same people on here calling me negative, a wank zombie, entitled, shit profile, dull, blocking me in some cases haha. Why would I want to socialize with these type of people in real life. " To be honest, if you started going to socials and clubs, you’d be a lot more successful on here But honestly, why? As a single guy you’ll pay 2-3x as much a woman and couples to get into clubs and once inside you’ll be treated like a rabid dog that can’t control himself because that’s the attitude towards single guys in clubs Having been to a few socials, they’re better than clubs but I always found them more of a friend Meetup than socials. If you’d not already in the group you won’t feel exactly welcomed right away, still better then clubs though Or you could just go on dates via apps and go out on a Saturday night and pull. Take your pick | |||
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"I think this site has run it course now, it needs a total revamp and a new way of stopping fake profiles from being made daily, in one small area 15 new profiles where made in one day, now I doubt that amount of people from a that small area would be joining this site in such a quick succession, coupes profiles need to be looked into as many are not couples now but just the male now running the page. All you need is common sense. Fakes are easy to spot. There is a reason most people on the scene use this site and thats because its still the best This site has massively gone down hill "Depends how you use it. Swinging is primarily a couples activity and for swinging couples this site is excellent. Single women on the scene will also find it extremely useful because a lot of couples are looking for them. Men will always struggle on here so their best bet is to go to clubs and meet people that way and use fab for networking from that. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
"This! It's a balance AND it's about personal preferences. Who I find boring another woman may find hilarious. Same for physical attributes- what some women like, others won't. We are all different. And what's meant for you is looking for you, so try and make it easy for them to find you. | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
This! It's a balance AND it's about personal preferences. Who I find boring another woman may find hilarious.
Same for physical attributes- what some women like, others won't.
We are all different.
And what's meant for you is looking for you, so try and make it easy for them to find you."
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
This! It's a balance AND it's about personal preferences. Who I find boring another woman may find hilarious.
Same for physical attributes- what some women like, others won't.
We are all different.
And what's meant for you is looking for you, so try and make it easy for them to find you.
So your saying there’s a chance "He who dares, wins | |||
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"Absolute facts, most women won't punch below most men will So, most women have standards and stick to their preferences, and most men don't? Is it any wonder many women want to avoid the any hole is goal mentality
I thought looks had nothing to do with it...isn't that what's I've been told continuously on this thread.
Yet simultaneously you hear all the time about women's standards....now I don't begrudge that but you can't also simultaneously claim looks are irrelevant
No-one has said looks don't matter at all, just that they aren't everything. You could be literal underwear model but if you are as dull as rocks or outright unpleasant to people then you won't meet anyone. Similarly you could be the nicest person in the world, but it there is no spark or mutual attraction then its not likely to happen...
It's a balance of both, and you shouldn't expect one to mask the lack of the other.
This! It's a balance AND it's about personal preferences. Who I find boring another woman may find hilarious.
Same for physical attributes- what some women like, others won't.
We are all different.
And what's meant for you is looking for you, so try and make it easy for them to find you.
So your saying there’s a chance
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