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"Elephants do it... everyone does it, only humans need drugs.." do they, funny i dont remember having drugs while giving birth... | |||
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"Elephants do it... everyone does it, only humans need drugs.." Everyone doesn't do it. Only females do! I didn't have drugs or gas and air.. One I didn't know what harm the drugs would do to the baby and, two, I didn't have time! | |||
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?" maybe because we can talk... we dont know what a animal feels, or understand them so you cant speak for them, for all you know they could be begging for drugs in there animal language but we dont understand haha and animals look after their babies just like humans do. really??? | |||
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"So why is our pain threshold so poor against the animals? Even chimps, 99% dna match with us, they are swinging, if you excuse the pun, from an early age .." you do not know what giving birth feels like, to talk about poor pain threshold is a bit silly animals do not communicate like humans so you will never know if hurts them the way it does humans, but giving birth is one of the most painful things a human can do, thats why only woman do it lol i think when u hear a monkey say after giving birth 'damn that shit was eassssy' then this really makes no sense to me | |||
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"I didnt say animals look after their babies like humans did i? read back couldnt see it. Not looking for a fight, i want to know why humans feel so much pain and why babies take so long to be able to fend for themselves?Look at Blue whales, they give birth and the wee ones can feed and swim immedietly . " because babys are not whales? lol humans are not animals so things are going to be different, .... ?? fight? who is fighting? | |||
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"Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please" yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... i am not taking it anyway, it seems your taking my typing tone the wrong way... lol if you actually read what i wrote i state i never had any drugs including gas and air, so no personal slur from me, i am just trying to reply to what your saying, cant help it if u dont like ym replys lol | |||
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"Kitty your just not answering any of my questions. Saying that you didnt give birth to a whale doesnt really clear it up. I hope some other people who have some idea about the physicallity or mentallity difference and the reason why as kids we are so back wards then become the most intelligent species in the world after 20 years of being around would be great. There must be a reason why we are so bad at pain and slow to be self sufficent?" yea hopefully someone will come along and help you out soon. as it seems you really need the help. | |||
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"Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... i am not taking it anyway, it seems your taking my typing tone the wrong way... lol if you actually read what i wrote i state i never had any drugs including gas and air, so no personal slur from me, i am just trying to reply to what your saying, cant help it if u dont like ym replys lol" i did awnser, maybe you just did not like the reply lol | |||
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"I believe its to do with the pelvic changes triggered by evolving to walk upright. To sustain truly upright posture everything is stacked in line which it isn't in other creatures so a human pelvis must separate during the birth process and nerves run closer to the pertinent bit. Also the pregnancy weighs on other organs and nerves in a way it doesn't in animals which walk on all fours." And this | |||
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" you asked....Kitty, obviously you have given birth. Did you give birth and then go off walking or swinging in a tree? Of course not. So how do the animals do it and we cant? That is what i am asking. i replyed yes actually i gave birth got off the bed went into the shower and walked to the special care unit... what do u think we do, lay in bed for a week after lol i did not swing in trees tho as i only do that on a weekend... so not every human does not walk around after giving birth i dont think i know anyone who was not up and about mins after a natural birth? Your taking this as a slur that you needed gas and air. So read what i am asking please i disagreed with this as i had no pain relief at all, so just pointing out your making comments like everyone is the same, woman use pain meds some woman dont? " | |||
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"So when did we lose the ability to stand straight away and run? Or did we ever do it? Did we lose the ability through evolution? Did women always suffer from sever pain? Oh and do human females go into labour for longer than animals? So many questions lol" Why don't you google it? You may get all your answers that way | |||
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief. Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?" no way a one off, lots of women do it lol i have had a labour with pain relief and was still up within half hour walking about, and the same with my labour with no pain relief... god loads of women give birth with no pain meds, u serious u dont know this lol... also if u have a healthy fine delivery most women go home 6 hours after birth | |||
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief. Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?" In agrarian communities many women leave their work when labour pains begin, find a slender but sturdy tree to grip and give birth in a squatting position. We only began to lie down after on of the French kings wanted to watch his heir be born and ordered it for a better a view. And as a celeb led society other soon spread aided by the easier access it gave medical professionals. It is a more uncomfortable position, but medical science has advanced to give a much higher survival rate for both mother and child so few argue. I do suspect a shift in knowledge about and attitude to labour pain have lead to a different expectation - when little pain relief was available and many lived with other pain relief(ie dental ) in a way which is regarded as u.acceptable today the experience of pain is very different. | |||
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"What happens if we have a nuke or a meteor and puts us back to basics, will we be fecked? Will kids grow quicker and be able to walk faster? " Just as dinosaurs faced an extinction event so might we - over-specification is not always a good thing. | |||
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"Elephants do it... everyone does it, only humans need drugs.." Only humans have access to drugs!! My cat was clearly on agony as she gave birth. | |||
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"Oh and look at the need for survival in the animal kingdom, take a deer, if it doesn't get up and walk quickly it will become prey.. We have lost that need to survive. " Why are we not close to extinction? Lots of animals are more helpless than even humans. Take kangaroos. They are practically foetuses still at birth. | |||
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth? I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony? Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years. Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them. I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me." ok think bowling ball out your arse..painkillers ??? | |||
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?" i think theres a strong possibility that if creatures like elephants (as you mentioned them) had the know how and ability to have built and equiped their own hospital with drugs to make life better.. then they probably would. Why do humans because we have thr facilities and option.. animals probably would if they could. But then in nature natural selection and survival also works. where as us mere humans work flat out to ensure people live, survive and exist where natural selection in the animal world decides who breeds ( only the strongest) and only the strongest and healthiest survive to breeding age anyway. And no alot of women do not have drugs to give birth. | |||
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"I can't believe that if you watch nature programmes you believe animals just pop them out. It's clear they are in physical distress when giving birth. It's just they don't have the vocal cords to shout 'you fucking bastard Harold you did this to me you are never coming near me again!!!!' Ite obvious why they don't use drugs in the Wild so that is a stupid question. If we still lived in caves we wouldn't have drugs but we have evolved and developed things to make our lives simpler and pain free as much as possible. The fact that we have the largest brains of any animal on the planet means that it takes linger for our offspring to develop." It does seem that nature had diverted development to the most important area, in humans it's the brain in animals the need to survive this is down to evolution | |||
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"I didnt say animals look after their babies like humans did i? read back couldnt see it. Not looking for a fight, i want to know why humans feel so much pain and why babies take so long to be able to fend for themselves?Look at Blue whales, they give birth and the wee ones can feed and swim immedietly . " i have not posted on the forums for an age because i don't like that u can get booted for an opnion (different story) but firstly i have seen births u couldn't imagine in wildiest dreams were woman has been mintutes for losing her life so seriously don't think of pain threshholds i have also seen births were she was almost oragsmic the whole time so there is a huge differnce and to your point on helplness babies r born with surival techinques we even check for them they can cling to a mother if necessary its called the grasp techinque. but seriously without being rude you are a male and have therefore a limit at best ubderstanding of birth and excuse me if i think your species ie. men r at fault for getting women into hospitals before doctors interfered woman gave birth happily with women and a dam good job they did of it too. but no man knew better and now drugs r the norm in hospitals but home births are still a amazing experience to watch and be part of so please do not assume you know without facts | |||
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why?" Many animals die giving birth. Many animals in captivity are assisted. It's quite possible for a woman to give birth without a hospital or drugs. I've done it, as did my mum and my poor little sister ended up delivering her baby on the bathroom floor totally alone Have you ever watched an animal give birth first hand they feel pain. It's more to do with what is available now. Why shouldn't it be made more comfortable. For the record most pain relief i used for any of mine was gas and air. Mostly used gravity and listened to my body. | |||
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" humans don't have babies and then chuck em out the front door to take care of themselves. " This is very true. My brother was 25 before he was anywhere near capable of looking after himself, and he actually moved in with his wife so he still didn't need to! | |||
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth? I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony? Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years. Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them. I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me." Because as every man knows, women are the most lazy, whining, mardy species on the planet. Everything they do is an effort and they have to make a big issue out of the simplest of tasks. I mean, they'll moan about pushing a 7lb baby out of a 10cm dilated hole, just as they'll moan about having a 8 inch cock shoved in their arse!...BUT, you just watch em try and squeeze themselves into a dress thats a size to small, and they'll say it fits perfectly! | |||
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth? I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony? Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years. Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them. I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me." For a start, human females shouldn't be giving birth on their backs, it's not the natural way to do it. That silliness is attributed to Louis XIV's desire to watch the birth of his (presumed) child; so he instructed his mistress’ doctor to have her lie down, while he hid behind a screen. The doctor realised that it was a lot easier for him to see what was going on, as well as less humbling to be able to sit or stand and be at the woman’s level or over her, rather than kneel or squat under the woman. He began requesting that all of the women he attended give birth in bed, and also popularised it among his peers. Soon it became the norm for doctors to insist on supine positions–for their convenience. Then, when birth became medicalised and standardised, and the doctors of the 1600s passed on their norms to those of the 1700s and then the 1800s, and then the 1900s, it became “normal” to give birth lying down. In fact, once anaesthesia became available and widely used, it was necessary for the woman to lie down. The typical hospital birth for most of the 1900s was to anesthetize the woman, cut a large episiotomy, and drag the baby out with forceps. So lying down in labour and birth is “the norm” but it is far from “normal”. | |||
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"Ok bear with me here. Why does it seem that human females feel so much pain when giving birth? I see nature programmes and the babies seem to pop out, the Mum turns round and licks it clean.Not suggesting you need to lick babies clean btw.But why do humans need drugs and seem to be in agony? Also, why are human babies so helpless for so many years? Watching tv even as many as 25 lol. You know not being able to walk or feed its self for years. Do you think babies were so slow 600 years ago? It cant be about how old we get too as elephants get to 70 if we dont shoot them. I am serious in my questions and am obviously a bloke with no idea lol. Please educate me." I don't know whether you're being serious or not. You could ask why do humans need to live in houses with central heating when the beasts in the wild are happy in the wilde. I'm nota biologist but I'd assume some animals are born ready for flight as it were because there are predetors and they need to be able to move pretty sharpish. Also animal special don't tend to hang around - they stay until their offspring are fledged, able to look after themselves. Sadly, humans are not so lucky - our offspring hang around for decades bleeding us dry - but there's the breaks! | |||
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"Ok got you Kitty, you were up and walking and fine after giving birth with no pain relief. Are you a one off? Or are all women fit so soon after?" I've had 3 kids...very easy births, in labour for about 2 hours..I did tear as well so was far from pain free, I didn't have time for drugs with my boys... Some people have a higher pain barrier i guess, i don't really feel much pain with piercings or tattoo's either..!! | |||
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"oh and until you have a womb and have felt a contraction, you have no vaild point to make regarding anything about giving birth " you've clearly never experienced man flu! seriously though on 5live a few weeks back they interviewed a professor who'd actually discovered that a part of the brain the looks at and measures pain is bigger in males so we feel pain more was the conclusion! go figure.... lol however, mine is managed by a spinal implant.. | |||
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"But why are we the only species to need drugs and hospitals? And why are babies so slow to be self sufficient. Yeah i know i am a bloke but seriously why? Many animals die giving birth. Many animals in captivity are assisted. It's quite possible for a woman to give birth without a hospital or drugs. I've done it, as did my mum and my poor little sister ended up delivering her baby on the bathroom floor totally alone Have you ever watched an animal give birth first hand they feel pain. It's more to do with what is available now. Why shouldn't it be made more comfortable. For the record most pain relief i used for any of mine was gas and air. Mostly used gravity and listened to my body. " Me too gas and air for all four, bloody painful and exhausting, our youngest was the worst very painful and hard work nearly killed me. And J just said "whats up with you ? You must be used to it by now I know it must smart a bit but come on love"! Cant repeat what my reply was but it was not nice. MrsD | |||
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