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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

In the Aristophanic play Lysistrata, the women mourn the fact that they're on a sex strike, and, in particular, that they can no longer perform the move "the lioness on the cheese grater"

This has stumped scholars for centuries.

Fabbers: what sex move is this?

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder "

yes. lol

My first thought is that a cheese grater looked incredibly different in ancient Greece, but it's emphatically not an area I can speak to. It's just one of those mysteries I'm aware of.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?"

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Athens and Sparta are at war. The wives of Athens decide to stop this by putting on a sex strike. They can't stand it, they need to be fucked, and shenanigans ensue, but eventually the sex strike brings the war to an end.

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By *ensuallover1000Man
over a year ago

Somewhere In The Ether…

It sounds like woman astride/cow girl (the ‘cheese grater’ would likely refer to the resulting friction from rubbing against the man’s pubic hair…..maybe…..?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

"Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder

yes. lol

My first thought is that a cheese grater looked incredibly different in ancient Greece, but it's emphatically not an area I can speak to. It's just one of those mysteries I'm aware of."

That is madness, know they're retranslating some of the old Welsh books, because of errors in them.

I'm now to figure out what kind of cheese grater they would have back then? Have they ever found one swing?

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder

yes. lol

My first thought is that a cheese grater looked incredibly different in ancient Greece, but it's emphatically not an area I can speak to. It's just one of those mysteries I'm aware of.

That is madness, know they're retranslating some of the old Welsh books, because of errors in them.

I'm now to figure out what kind of cheese grater they would have back then? Have they ever found one swing? "

I don't think so - although I do know similarly wtf moments have been solved by archaeology.

Work's been done to update translations, it's ongoing (and the Aristophanes I have in translation is way better than what you can find online, fewer euphemisms - Aristophanes is filth). But I think that particular translation is pretty stable. We just don't know wtf it could possibly refer to, other than an item to choose off a menu

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By *ubcdverykinkyMan
over a year ago

Bourne lincs

Fabswingers and fabguys so full of people looking at ur pics or talk about it

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By *ee04Man
over a year ago

Essex

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

This would have to Athenian as Spartans only had sex with women to reproduce (well in the warrior class). Love was reserved for fellow warriors.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?"

Pupil?

It was performed in the last quarter of the 5th century BCE - as part of a religious festival and competition.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

This would have to Athenian as Spartans only had sex with women to reproduce (well in the warrior class). Love was reserved for fellow warriors. "

It's a work of fiction.

Also, given how little writing remains from Sparta, that's probably pretty difficult to substantiate. It's probably one of those myths about Greek sex that exist.

They* weren't an LGBT+ paradise, they weren't great lovers by most accounts... just had different hangups.

* Most generalisations like this are mostly about Athens, because Athens wrote a fuckton more than other poleis. Notably Sparta kinda thought writing was for pussies.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?

Pupil?

It was performed in the last quarter of the 5th century BCE - as part of a religious festival and competition."

Yeh, I was told it was written to help opinion with the revolution however that one of his pupils may have been not taking his duties seriously enough.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?

Pupil?

It was performed in the last quarter of the 5th century BCE - as part of a religious festival and competition.

Yeh, I was told it was written to help opinion with the revolution however that one of his pupils may have been not taking his duties seriously enough. "

I'm not aware of that background.

I tend to think about it more as, it's a reflection of concerns people had at the time, tied up in the absurd (or, in the case of tragedies, in the divine)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?

Pupil?

It was performed in the last quarter of the 5th century BCE - as part of a religious festival and competition.

Yeh, I was told it was written to help opinion with the revolution however that one of his pupils may have been not taking his duties seriously enough.

I'm not aware of that background.

I tend to think about it more as, it's a reflection of concerns people had at the time, tied up in the absurd (or, in the case of tragedies, in the divine)"

So I was taught about him in combined Latin and Greek. Basically this was a response to the coup of the 400 even tho it was a comedy, however he would have had a pupil or pupils he had to influence. He was clearly requesting his pupil/s to seek peace instead of pissing about, shagging and killing, probably by whoever their parents were. I reckon whoever it was written for specifically had mental tastes in bed, I just dunno who he was tutoring at the time.

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By *avinaTVTV/TS
over a year ago

Transsexual Transylvania

Taking the historical and cultural context out of the picture (yes, I know, blasphemy, context is king, etc)... Looking at the description of the action - I'd say it's a woman riding on top, cowgirl. Lioness might refer to a sexually voracious woman in a sexually dominant position (on top).

As for the cheese grater - that's a sliding to-and-fro motion. (And yes, a man's pubes can be a bit rough and grating in that situation - we've all been there).

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"What kind of story is that to teach his pupil? Stop fucking about and focus on the country cos your parents are pissed?

Very bad precis of the plot of Lysistrata:

Yeh, have seen it, but just don't get why Aristophones HAD to get that message through to his pupil. What was his pupil's problem?

Pupil?

It was performed in the last quarter of the 5th century BCE - as part of a religious festival and competition.

Yeh, I was told it was written to help opinion with the revolution however that one of his pupils may have been not taking his duties seriously enough.

I'm not aware of that background.

I tend to think about it more as, it's a reflection of concerns people had at the time, tied up in the absurd (or, in the case of tragedies, in the divine)

I'm not sure where the pupil bit comes from at all. He may well have been wanting to teach/ influence his audience, theatre being didactic and all of that? And yes, certainly, being in the midst of the oligarchic revolutions, shortly after the disaster of the Sicilian expedition, etc. It was also not the only gender based play on in that festival.

(I learned about it in undergraduate/ postgraduate specialism in Greek history)

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

Yeah, gut feeling is that it’s a woman on top, grinding away on a ‘fully inserted’ man. That rocking the hips back-and-forth motion that sometimes *really* hits the spot. If you know what I mean. And I think that you do.

But whether that gut feeling is correct … fuck knows. Could be referring to anything.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Taking the historical and cultural context out of the picture (yes, I know, blasphemy, context is king, etc)... Looking at the description of the action - I'd say it's a woman riding on top, cowgirl. Lioness might refer to a sexually voracious woman in a sexually dominant position (on top).

As for the cheese grater - that's a sliding to-and-fro motion. (And yes, a man's pubes can be a bit rough and grating in that situation - we've all been there).

That is a common interpretation of what it might mean, but it's not a settled issue.

Although I can't imagine given the wider context that sexually dominant women were... a thing? I mean maybe, but off the top of my head the social/ legal/ medical literature would seem to indicate otherwise.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

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Sorry I said Cleon but meant Callistatus.

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

The big question must be what ‘cheese grater’ meant in those times to that society. Could have been slang/metaphor for *anything*.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Wowee.. I wanna try it when someone figures it out

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"In the Aristophanic play Lysistrata, the women mourn the fact that they're on a sex strike, and, in particular, that they can no longer perform the move "the lioness on the cheese grater"

This has stumped scholars for centuries.

Fabbers: what sex move is this?"

Rubbing her clit on the cock in one direction only!!!! ????

Think about it

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By *emorefridaCouple
over a year ago

La la land

"Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder

yes. lol

My first thought is that a cheese grater looked incredibly different in ancient Greece, but it's emphatically not an area I can speak to. It's just one of those mysteries I'm aware of.

That is madness, know they're retranslating some of the old Welsh books, because of errors in them.

I'm now to figure out what kind of cheese grater they would have back then? Have they ever found one swing?

I don't think so - although I do know similarly wtf moments have been solved by archaeology.

Well this is definitely going into my interesting facts library in my brain.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

Oh, btw, pubic epilation was known in ancient Greece, but in Athens, where this was specifically talked about, it was more often used as a punishment.

something something radishes (Swing smirks)

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Have they translated it correctly? Because seriously a cheese grater just made me shudder

yes. lol

My first thought is that a cheese grater looked incredibly different in ancient Greece, but it's emphatically not an area I can speak to. It's just one of those mysteries I'm aware of.

That is madness, know they're retranslating some of the old Welsh books, because of errors in them.

I'm now to figure out what kind of cheese grater they would have back then? Have they ever found one swing?

I don't think so - although I do know similarly wtf moments have been solved by archaeology.

Well this is definitely going into my interesting facts library in my brain. "

My favourite about Aristophanes is how the fuck we got our hands on it.

Most classical Greek material comes to modern Europeans through medieval monks, who kept it for its rhetorical value or to instruct pupils about learning the Bible

Aristophanes, as noted, is *pure filth*. It's rude, it's sexual. Imagine your stereotypical religious person/ instructor using erotica to teach you a foreign language.

Because that's why we have Aristophanes. The monks thought it was excellent to teach Attic Greek grammar

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?"

They could cut gears within tolerance. You're worried about them being able to make cheese smaller?

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

They could cut gears within tolerance. You're worried about them being able to make cheese smaller?"

I'm not worried about it,it already happened!

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Cheese graters were invented in the 1500s, it must be a mistranslation.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

They could cut gears within tolerance. You're worried about them being able to make cheese smaller?

I'm not worried about it,it already happened! "

as someone who dedicated over a decade of my life to this stuff, it's amazing how many people are worried about it.

I find it interesting, but people get really anxious about stuff they can't change. Not like, does X like me or not, but thousands of years ago, a thing happened.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?"

Hmm did they have cheese!

I think you are onto something here

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

Hmm did they have cheese!

I think you are onto something here "

they definitely had cheese. lol

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

Hmm did they have cheese!

I think you are onto something here

they definitely had cheese. lol"

It's interesting to think how cheese making came about, and bread making?!!

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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago

north and south

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

Hmm did they have cheese!

I think you are onto something here

they definitely had cheese. lol

It's interesting to think how cheese making came about, and bread making?!!"
Dry fucking teasing us men

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Did they have cheese graters in ancient Greece?

Is it facesitting on someone with a beard?

Hmm did they have cheese!

I think you are onto something here

they definitely had cheese. lol

It's interesting to think how cheese making came about, and bread making?!!Dry fucking teasing us men "

now I'm imagining trying to make cheese out of smegma and I am done eating today.

that rotten fish thingy from Pompeii was bad enough ta

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By *wist my nipplesCouple
over a year ago

North East Scotland, mostly

I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x"

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

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By *yesgreenMan
over a year ago

north and south

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

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We can all be nerds about something we enjoy

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!"

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

Ancient Greek sex toys then!?

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

They had släves for everything in those days, including grating cheese. Probably.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

Ancient Greek sex toys then!?"

I only really know about the leather dildos. For what it's worth they would only have been used by women, because (contrary to popular belief) the Greeks had a lot of hangups around sex with guys. I can only think of one reference to sex that might have been anal (it's vague), but it was with a woman to prevent pregnancy, because said pregnancy was the subject of a pretty catastrophic oracle.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"They had släves for everything in those days, including grating cheese. Probably. "

Yes. But it doesn't answer the question of what the sex act is.

And delegating the sex to the help seems a bit sad

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By *eschef81Man
over a year ago

sutton

Stevie wonder got a cheese grater for his birthday. He said it was the most violent book he has ever read

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By *heekyDemandCouple
over a year ago

Leicester

Urban Dictionary may have it

"Grating the cheese

The act of performing oral sex on a woman with a yest infection.

I was grating the cheese on this girl and after I needed a breath mint, bad"

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"Urban Dictionary may have it

"Grating the cheese

The act of performing oral sex on a woman with a yest infection.

I was grating the cheese on this girl and after I needed a breath mint, bad""

I don't think that's the tone Aristophanes was going for, unless he was into projectile puke in the theatre

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

Ancient Greek sex toys then!?

It's amazing they got to the 21st century!!!

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

Ancient Greek sex toys then!?

It's amazing they got to the 21st century!!!"

haha! I suspect that there was some revisionism in said oracle.

very convenient that the nearby priestess or goat tripping balls will predict a break in the democracy that is going on a PR blitz. (no that's not an even handed description of the world in Herodotus, don't come for me, I'm shit talking

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By *d4fun73Man
over a year ago

Shipley

"I have nothing to add, but I bloody love this, Swing. It's lovely to read you

Mrs TMN x

I'm a nerd. Sorry not sorry

Can we go back to history of cheese making!

The history of food is a bit outside my wheelhouse

Ancient Greek sex toys then!?

It's amazing they got to the 21st century!!!

haha! I suspect that there was some revisionism in said oracle.

Here's a fun thing...

If clocks had been invented in the southern hemisphere the hands would go round the opposite way!

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By *r and Mrs Double spiceCouple
over a year ago

somewhere around midlands

I found this...

Lioness" is a sexual position. A scholium on the line says s??µa d? ?st?? ?????st?? ?a? ?ta?????? (it is a licentious and whorish position).[4] The ancient cheese-grater "was a knife with a bronze or ivory handle, [on which] it was customary to carve all sorts of animal figures, some indeed couching upon the handle, but others standing upright, and touching the handle only with their feet."

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

It's clearly a variation on prone bone and doggy, crouched really low. The cheese grater reference comes from the friction burns caused by thick matted pubes scrping along the flesh like velcro.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"It's clearly a variation on prone bone and doggy, crouched really low. The cheese grater reference comes from the friction burns caused by thick matted pubes scrping along the flesh like velcro."

If only you'd waited, you wouldn't have made a tit of yourself.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"I found this...

Scholia are sometimes suspect, but it's definitely a possibility.

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By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"In the Aristophanic play Lysistrata, the women mourn the fact that they're on a sex strike, and, in particular, that they can no longer perform the move "the lioness on the cheese grater"

This has stumped scholars for centuries.

Fabbers: what sex move is this?"

Got to be an S&M thing.

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By *naswingdress OP Woman
over a year ago

Manchester (she/her)

"It's clearly a variation on prone bone and doggy, crouched really low. The cheese grater reference comes from the friction burns caused by thick matted pubes scrping along the flesh like velcro."

I wasn't genuinely expecting a scholarly mystery of generations to be solved on a swinging site.

Nor do I think it's actually likely that that would be the case.

I just thought it was entertaining?

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By *layfullsamMan
over a year ago

Solihull

Using her pussy (lioness) to rub against the cheese under his foreskin thus grating it

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By *r and Mrs Double spiceCouple
over a year ago

somewhere around midlands

My guess is doggy style or reverse cowgirl that grinds her clitoris.

Or Aristophanes made it up!

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By *ose-tinted GlassesMan
over a year ago

Glasgow / London

This is one of my all-time favourite Fab forum threads.

Thank you Swing.

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