FabSwingers.com forum: Pregnant and in Jail

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *illy IdolMan
over a year ago

Midlands

You guys still missed a typo

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news "
Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *alldarkhandsomedaveMan
over a year ago

Derby

It’s merely stating fact and no other option available. Even more madness than the original story!

Stop pandering to people. If it deserves a prison sentence then off they go. Just look after them in there accordingly.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Back on topic.

OP, its a possibility... whi knows?

Statistically, women are less likely to be imprisoned for many reasons. Pregnancy has always been a consideration when sentencing devisions are made, so this news is not really news.

Sorry to piss on your bonfire OP

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"You guys still missed a typo

I like Al.

I thought he should stay

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Just make pregnant only prisons! Problem solved!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *oo..Woman
over a year ago

Boo's World

Don't see why they can't go to prison, other countries already have pregnant women behind bars,giving birth and raising young babies in prison.

Of course it's no place for any child to start life, but they still get given all the correct medical care they need until the child can be raised by someone else (usually another family member) so at least they are safe and not on the streets or on the run.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

People will do anything to avoid jail.

And this includes getting pregnant on purpose particularly at the moment exploiting the fact that the system is already overwhelmed and understaffed.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *mthatoneMan
over a year ago

Somewhere

[Removed by poster at 24/10/23 10:07:45]

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

Prison is rarely the best place for people who don’t commit serious crimes to go, how does jailing a pregnant person benefit society?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt this"

Tom begs to differ. Put a status change on your profile. Get me pregnant so I can avoid jail usually does the trick

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *mthatoneMan
over a year ago

Somewhere

"Just make pregnant only prisons! Problem solved! "

They have, its called Margate

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Fixed the transphobic language too

That's an interesting one.

I think phobic comes more from the intent than merely the words. Is 'pregnant women' phobic? Or just a statement describing whether a woman is currently with child?

I know this is a whole other debate but… is the use of ‘ladies’ or any other term denoting female gender now transphobic? I get it.. in this context not all of the people who are pregnant will identify as F but, as the use of ladies is not intentionally offensive, does that make it immediately discriminatory?

I want to be educated on this but, after many years of trying to work it out, it seems there’s no right answer.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What’s the reasoning they can’t?

Commit a crime worthy of a prison sentence, go to prison. That’s all there really is.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s the reasoning they can’t?

Commit a crime worthy of a prison sentence, go to prison. That’s all there really is."

Generally they do.

Crimes committed by women, generally but obviously not always, are able to be dealt with aporopriately by means that are not custodial.

Health factors will always be a consideration when it vones to sentencing. Always have, always will. Like it or not, pregnancy carries risk factors that may be exacerbated by imprisonment. This should be considered as with all relevant factors.

In reality, the guidelines don't say pregnancy should always preclude a custodial sentence, just that it should be considered as a factor. This seems reasonable

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry

Being a parent doesn't just affect sentences women receive. I know a man convicted of a 6 figure fraud who was parent to an infant. He was allowed out on weekends so that the child wasn't punished as well.

'All in the game'

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Not sure that a child under three would know he was in prison.

Surely they have dedicated areas for women with children in prison

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt this"

Right up to the end of the Bloody Code period pregnant women could "plead their belly" in order to be spared execution.Many women got pregnant in order to escape execution.The female pirate Mary Read was not executed because of this.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant people should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant people are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some people on bail deliberatly get them selves pregnant when on bail to avoid jail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news

***********

Fixed the typos.... easier to read. x

Fixed the transphobic language too

What is going on her? What is going on here..

Plus and, but and or are joining words not beginning of sentences.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

***********

Fixed the typos.... easier to read. x

Fixed the transphobic language too

What is going on her? What is going on here..

Plus and, but and or are joining words not beginning of sentences.

"
Bex wrong! Perfectly acceptable to use some of these conjunctions as the start of new sentences

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

***********

Fixed the typos.... easier to read. x

Fixed the transphobic language too

What is going on her? What is going on here..

Plus and, but and or are joining words not beginning of sentences.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically."
JINX!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *isfits behaving badlyCouple
over a year ago

Coventry

A lot of considerations are made for Women and/or impact on families/unborn children already with sentencing. There is no doubt scope to futher investigate sentencing guidelines in regards what provides the best out comes (including that of children that maybe collateral damage in all of this). I would argue very much should the same for father's who are full time or very active in the lives of children or dependent family. The absence of a full time parent can have a massive impact on the emotional health, prospects and out come on children, even for a short sentence. And that suffering and damage should also be taken very seriously in sentencing.

However there will always be some people who pose a risk to the public and regardless of their family situation may still be a risk to the public. Also when a crime is so heinous like murder, without massive mitigation and especially incredibly vile one's there surely must be an act of Jutice being served regardless of family situation? So I can't see how you could have a blanket ban on custodial sentences for pregnant women.

Although the cynic I'm me suspects the motivation for this is far more about managing the impact and cost on the failing prison service than it is about justice or safety.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?"

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Should pregnant women go to prison Full Stop....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

***********

Fixed the typos.... easier to read. x

Fixed the transphobic language too

What is going on her? What is going on here..

Plus and, but and or are joining words not beginning of sentences.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically.JINX!

Ha, primary schools STILL teach this as a rule! I spend my days in secondary telling pupils otherwise. (I haven't heard/seen a jinx in ages)

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Should pregnant women go to prison Full Stop...."

Depends

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Women often get sent to jail for crimes that men wouldnt purely because there is space in womens prisons and mens are overcrowded.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically."

But the question at hand is whether one should start a sentence pregnant?

(I am actually quite proud of that)

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Well?

I used it as a whole sentence

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

New thread potential?

Zuri's grammar clinic!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *aizyWoman
over a year ago

west midlands

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

New thread potential?

Zuri's grammar clinic! "

I'll sign up, my grammar and spelling is awful!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Prison service at failing point, health service at failing point, support services at failing point

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

New thread potential?

Zuri's grammar clinic! "

Please no, that's my day job

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

New thread potential?

Zuri's grammar clinic!

Please no, that's my day job

Wouldn't it be nice if auto correct also corrected incorrect punctuation and grammar as well as the overuse of certain words, correct

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *uri00620Woman
over a year ago

Croydon

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?

I think so, but personally, I'd like to see a comma after it

Yes, it's commonly used at the beginning of sentences as a discourse marker (with comma). Good grief, even I'm bored of my grammar contributions now

New thread potential?

Zuri's grammar clinic!

Please no, that's my day job

Wouldn't it be nice if auto correct also corrected incorrect punctuation and grammar as well as the overuse of certain words, correct

That's why I'd welcome Skynet to take over, to correct all the errors I can't be bothered to amend!

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically.

But the question at hand is whether one should start a sentence pregnant?

(I am actually quite proud of that) "

And if you say it out loud, should there be a pregnant pause?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *helovesitwetCouple
over a year ago

brighton

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt this"
pregnant women should never be sent to jail ! Why not ? What makes any crime they have done irrelevant if they are pregnant

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Starting a sentence with a conjunction is fine grammatically.

But the question at hand is whether one should start a sentence pregnant?

(I am actually quite proud of that)

And if you say it out loud, should there be a pregnant pause?"

I see what you both did there, very clever

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ebauchedDeviantsPt2Couple
over a year ago

Cumbria

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt thispregnant women should never be sent to jail ! Why not ? What makes any crime they have done irrelevant if they are pregnant "

The death of nuance.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Reports that the sentencing council is looking into whether pregnant women should be sent to jail. Not all pregnant ladies are sent to jail for that very reason. But what about the unintended consequences. Will some women on bai deliberatly get them selves prehantwhen on bail to avoid bail,? What's going on her guys? It's al over the news Pregnant women should never be sent to Jail, Tom. And getting pregnant on cue to avoid jail time is overly complicated so very doubtful many women would even attempt thispregnant women should never be sent to jail ! Why not ? What makes any crime they have done irrelevant if they are pregnant

The death of nuance."

this

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Well this is the most educational thread hijack I've ever seen.

Is well an acceptable word to start a sentence?"

I always thought 'take him/her/them/they down' was the start of a sentence..

Apologies if I've mispronounced any one, I am old and oft struggle with the new ways..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just make pregnant only prisons! Problem solved!

They have, its called Margate"

Margate is not actually what you just said. Lived here for years. It is full of old peoples homes I work in this profession. Old people getting pregnant seriously. Margate is not a town where young girls get pregnant everywhere is but for right reasons and it is not a prison.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Just make pregnant only prisons! Problem solved!

They have, its called Margate

I thought it was going through a hipster rebirth. Isn't it the new Brighton?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Just make pregnant only prisons! Problem solved!

They have, its called Margate

I thought it was going through a hipster rebirth. Isn't it the new Brighton? "

New Brighton's a bit rough in parts, maybe the new Whitstable?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Thread drift at it's finest

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

We should only be sending people to jail if they are rehabilitated there, to reduce reoffending. They currently serve as a criminal education machine, deepening the individuals into criminal culture. Pregnant people should largely not be there, getting a healthy environment and rehabilitation elsewhere, to give their children the best start in life.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Pregnant women should still definitely be sent to jail. If they've done the crime there should be no excuse not to be given punishment.

It's also true that women fall pregnant to try and get out of a jail sentence.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that over a million children today live in what some are calling extreme poverty whatever that means. At least newborn children in prison would get three square meals a day and balanced nutrition too.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ose manMan
over a year ago

kells

What about the dad's ? ..

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"What about the dad's ? ..

Well they will have undisturbed sleep at home ....

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *apnDomMan
over a year ago

London

No, pregnant women need to be send to jail just like nongravid.

Otherwise they'd just get knocked up to avoid serving time. Which is even worse, if you ask me, because then they have a kid that was just used to get out of jail.

Don't want to go to jail? Don't commit crimes. Worked for me.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lynJMan
over a year ago

Morden

"Should pregnant women go to prison Full Stop...."

Seems a bit harsh sending everyone who is pregnant to jail if they haven't done anything illegal.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

If a modern prison for pregnant women and those with todlers had creches etc and education and activities and regular food would some mum's commit crimes just to get in and away from the misery outside ?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

'Plead the belly'. It's been happening forever. I guess prison is a pretty shitty place to be when pregnant and giving birth, I did read an article about a baby dying at birth in a cell because prison staff for whatever reason didnt help her. I think we could probably do better than having children born this way.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"'Plead the belly'. It's been happening forever. I guess prison is a pretty shitty place to be when pregnant and giving birth, I did read an article about a baby dying at birth in a cell because prison staff for whatever reason didnt help her. I think we could probably do better than having children born this way. "

The children won't even remember being born that way tho

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *neaverageguyMan
over a year ago

bournemouth

Just because you are pregnant doesn’t mean you should have any more speacial treatments, women fought for their right so deal with it us men can’t get pregnant. Yea it is an u fortunate thing a woman being in prison and yes some

What better care should be taken care of them but once the child is born you did the crime you pay the

Time. Otherwise everyone would be getting pregs to avoid it.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The children won't even remember being born that way tho"
I believe they will though subconsciously. Which in turn leads to issues in their lives

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *inkyfuckery69Couple
over a year ago

Hemel Hempstead

The only people that should be in prison are those that hurt other people as they are a danger to the public , people in there for , drug possession, shoplifting, tax avoidance basically any other thing apart from hurting people should not be in jail !

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Prison is rarely the best place for people who don’t commit serious crimes to go, how does jailing a pregnant person benefit society?"

How does them avoiding it help then get punished?

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Prison has various roles:

Rehabilitive — ideal, when it works.

Punitive - just pur old fashioned punishment, blunt but at times effective as a deterrent.

Protective - If an offender is locked up, they aren't committing crimes in the wider community

All the above have pros and cons.

Rehabilitation, whilst a perfectly valid aspiration and arguably the most important, is not the only reason fot a custodial sentence.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

"The only people that should be in prison are those that hurt other people as they are a danger to the public , people in there for , drug possession, shoplifting, tax avoidance basically any other thing apart from hurting people should not be in jail ! "

Well the drug trade harms and kills so many people. Drug cartels, criminal gangs, county lines, Cuckoo flats with extortion and violence, possession is not victimless, shoplifting is not victimless and and neither is tax evasion

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

"Prison is rarely the best place for people who don’t commit serious crimes to go, how does jailing a pregnant person benefit society?"

It might stop them committing crimes against people who don't break the law.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

There is more to this story than meets the eye. Mark Tom's Words

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

By *lex46TV/TS
over a year ago

Near Wells

So how should they be punished for their crimes? What deterrent should there be to stop them committing more crimes. I guarantee If someone broke into your house and stole your goods or property you would think prison is too good for them.

Reply privately

Reply in forum

Reply +quote

Post new Message to Thread