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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Record homeless people in A place named Hastings,which was named after the famous battle are pushing the local Council to bankruptcy according to reports. Why are there so many homeless people attracted to this seaside town? Is it the climate that attracts them or just birds of a feather flocking together. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

There are a record number of 'homeless' people the world over Tom.

I cannot go anywhere in Liverpool city centre without passing someone fast asleep, selling a big issue or asking me for money.

I used to give but I limit myself now. If these people are genuinely without ( and I believe the vast majority are ) Then this country should hang it's head until it's neck breaks.

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Never mind Liverpool I live in the suburbs and they are here also .... wouldn't have been heard of a decade ago.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Hastings was named after a famous battle? Do you mean the battle of Hastings was named because of Hastings?

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By *ranny-CrumpetWoman
over a year ago

The Town by The Cross

Scrub what I just said ................ I have been told that I am deluded to say I live in the suburbs of liverpool , when I reside in the greenbelt of Sefton ..

Well... bugger me.

There are homeless people in Sefton too Tom.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Scrub what I just said ................ I have been told that I am deluded to say I live in the suburbs of liverpool , when I reside in the greenbelt of Sefton ..

Well... bugger me.

There are homeless people in Sefton too Tom. "

Tom has never been to Sefton but if it's in the green belt it is possibly where all the footballers live. Are you a WAG Granny Crumpet?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

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Hastings has been on a decline for many years, mainly due to its proximity to the ferry ports and the local council being responsible for immigrants,they became overwhelmed many years ago and this is why councils all over the country have to house them now.

We almost purchased a fabulous house there in 2001 at the time it was only 55k the equivalent at that time where we lived in London would have topped a million.

It wasn't till we went down there and scoped the area we realised why.

Sad because it was once a beautiful thriving seaside town.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town

With winter coming being homeless (apart from those who choose to be so) must be a scary life. As for news entertainment stories Tom. I'm taking everything they say with a large rock of salt. They are all agenda led click bait. When it prevents "everyman" from enjoying their Netflix, then we will do something about it.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

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By *irtyKittenCouple
over a year ago

Southampton

It's because it's main income is from tourism/fishing.

And they haven't got any big service sector companies, manufacturing companies based there.

To top it off they have got a another town/city next to it to help provide jobs ethier.

So with rising cost and inability to relocate to another area with work they end up homeless unfortunately.

It's bad out there at moment and I don't see it getting any better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

With the economic situation it’s not surprising. Not ashamed to admit I was close 6 months ago and it wasn’t because I could not afford a place. There was nowhere available at all. I really thought I’d be sleeping in the car and putting my stuff into storage.

I got lucky and found an overpriced flat that really does not suit my needs. But I’ve a roof over my head, my stuffs safe and give me a year or two I’ll be living somewhere I chose to once again. Already making progress that’s surprising me.

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

Do you think it may have something to do with the cost of living crisis?

There's a lot of reasons people become homeless. Most are societal issues, but more and more we tend to blame the person. There's no helping hand and no hand up.

People coming out of the care system, ex-military many with PTSD, addicts who can't maintain jobs... They flock together for safety and companionship. They get moved on and moved on, often brutally. When they hit the coast they realise it's the same wherever they go, so they might as well get used to it.

I was friends with some homeless people in Cadiz. Really interesting people, some were highly successful at one point in their lives.

Lot easier to blame the individual than it is to look at the societal issues.

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By *randMrsLPCouple
over a year ago

london

Hastings along with many other seaside towns have a lack of jobs problems. 3 reasons:

!:Seasonal income/jobs has a massive impact

2: The way people holiday have changed ad are changing

3: Seaside resorts are not like no seaside towns/cities where you land/lobs around them, ie north/east/sowuth and west. Seasises are cut-off o the sea side so have 50% less opputuines

Btw - The batle of Hastings was NOT in "hastings," OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Record homeless people in A place named Hastings,which was named after the famous battle are pushing the local Council to bankruptcy according to reports. Why are there so many homeless people attracted to this seaside town? Is it the climate that attracts them or just birds of a feather flocking together. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news"

It’s not just Hastings it’s everywhere. Also a lot of people on the street may appear “homeless”, but they do in fact have homes. I know first hand from referring many to charities, and then those charities have come back to me and said yes they are aware of the named individuals and they have homes.

It made me give up trying to help and made me feel quite angry, actually. I don’t like being manipulated.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Do you think it may have something to do with the cost of living crisis?

There's a lot of reasons people become homeless. Most are societal issues, but more and more we tend to blame the person. There's no helping hand and no hand up.

People coming out of the care system, ex-military many with PTSD, addicts who can't maintain jobs... They flock together for safety and companionship. They get moved on and moved on, often brutally. When they hit the coast they realise it's the same wherever they go, so they might as well get used to it.

I was friends with some homeless people in Cadiz. Really interesting people, some were highly successful at one point in their lives.

Lot easier to blame the individual than it is to look at the societal issues. "

This story sounds totally made up. “When they hit the coast” as if they’re some group wandering the country for safety until they arrive at the sea

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A


"Do you think it may have something to do with the cost of living crisis?

There's a lot of reasons people become homeless. Most are societal issues, but more and more we tend to blame the person. There's no helping hand and no hand up.

People coming out of the care system, ex-military many with PTSD, addicts who can't maintain jobs... They flock together for safety and companionship. They get moved on and moved on, often brutally. When they hit the coast they realise it's the same wherever they go, so they might as well get used to it.

I was friends with some homeless people in Cadiz. Really interesting people, some were highly successful at one point in their lives.

Lot easier to blame the individual than it is to look at the societal issues.

This story sounds totally made up. “When they hit the coast” as if they’re some group wandering the country for safety until they arrive at the sea "

That's a bit of a weird spin you have put on it. I'm just quoting the homeless people I've spoken to. They didn't travel there together. It's more a realisation that it's the same here as anywhere else. And then they tend to group up. There was a documentary on homelessness on the south coast a while back. Probably on YT

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

The failure of the care in the community program is one of the biggest contributors to homeless people who can't manage to live in the "normal" sense of the word, despite the best efforts from well meaning attempts to integrate.

Unfortunately there are some people who need to be living in an institution with round the clock care and support.

Sadly the system in it's current state is overwhelmed so many slip through the cracks.

Many of them are as a direct result of drug or alcohol addiction or both.

It annoys the fuck out of me when I read people going nuts about us not housing enough migrants yet totally ignore What's happening under their noses with homelessness in this country.

The whole system needs a complete revamp to accommodate the needs of today not 40years ago.

Being able to help those who are vulnerable at the greatest need and support the needs of people seeking political asylum.

Not treating them as pawn's to use for political gains when it suits then casting aside and forgetting like trash once a new bandwagon comes along to hitch upon.

But don't forget that there's a small percentage of homeless not huge but some choose to live off the grid.

But that's their choice it hasn't been forced upon them.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline

One if the richest countries on the planet and we still have homeless. A national disgrace and embarrassment

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

Hastings is one of the poorest towns in the country, we also have a very high homeless population. The reasons for that are many and various. We have a couple of charities that help with a hot meals, clothes, medical and dental care,tents, sleeping bags etc. I know that a lot of their clients are escaping domestic violence, have left the care system, lost jobs, can't find anywhere to rent that they can afford etc and that some of them have jobs.

The council are struggling to provide temporary accommodation for people who have lost their homes due to landlords selling property or moving to the more lucrative air bnb. This same council also spent money on placing arm rests in the middle of benches so that homeless people couldn't sleep on them .

We see a lot of homeless people as we walk about the town, very few of them ask for money and the genuine long term ones are very easy to identify. Traditionally seaside towns attract the homeless in the summer. I don't know the reasons but recently many have decided to stay. Conditions must be dreadful elsewhere if the life they lead here is preferable.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline


"Hastings is one of the poorest towns in the country, we also have a very high homeless population. The reasons for that are many and various. We have a couple of charities that help with a hot meals, clothes, medical and dental care,tents, sleeping bags etc. I know that a lot of their clients are escaping domestic violence, have left the care system, lost jobs, can't find anywhere to rent that they can afford etc and that some of them have jobs.

The council are struggling to provide temporary accommodation for people who have lost their homes due to landlords selling property or moving to the more lucrative air bnb. This same council also spent money on placing arm rests in the middle of benches so that homeless people couldn't sleep on them .

We see a lot of homeless people as we walk about the town, very few of them ask for money and the genuine long term ones are very easy to identify. Traditionally seaside towns attract the homeless in the summer. I don't know the reasons but recently many have decided to stay. Conditions must be dreadful elsewhere if the life they lead here is preferable.

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I saw the same in Brighton. It's a national scandal

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Hastings is one of the poorest towns in the country, we also have a very high homeless population. The reasons for that are many and various. We have a couple of charities that help with a hot meals, clothes, medical and dental care,tents, sleeping bags etc. I know that a lot of their clients are escaping domestic violence, have left the care system, lost jobs, can't find anywhere to rent that they can afford etc and that some of them have jobs.

The council are struggling to provide temporary accommodation for people who have lost their homes due to landlords selling property or moving to the more lucrative air bnb. This same council also spent money on placing arm rests in the middle of benches so that homeless people couldn't sleep on them .

We see a lot of homeless people as we walk about the town, very few of them ask for money and the genuine long term ones are very easy to identify. Traditionally seaside towns attract the homeless in the summer. I don't know the reasons but recently many have decided to stay. Conditions must be dreadful elsewhere if the life they lead here is preferable.

I saw the same in Brighton. It's a national scandal "

Bournemouth also

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A


"One if the richest countries on the planet and we still have homeless. A national disgrace and embarrassment "

I saw a shelter report a few years back. We actually have more empty homes than homeless people in this country.

Bizarre society we live in.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

Hasn't Prince William promised to end homelessness? How's he getting on with that?

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"One if the richest countries on the planet and we still have homeless. A national disgrace and embarrassment

I saw a shelter report a few years back. We actually have more empty homes than homeless people in this country.

Bizarre society we live in."

High streets boarded up because of high rents imposed by greedy property owners and councils imposing unaffordable rate's.

Overseas owners who have no interest in the community other than trying to profit from gentrification and forcing people who can't afford to pay the rent out.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline


"Hasn't Prince William promised to end homelessness? How's he getting on with that?"

There's a big house or two in London he could open up

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout "

It's a beautiful part of the country.

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By *ife NinjaMan
over a year ago

Dunfermline


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout "

I've been once to Hastings. Thank god for the cliff lift

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

It's a beautiful part of the country."

It is, we're happy living here.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

I've been once to Hastings. Thank god for the cliff lift "

Old Town is great in summer, less so in winter.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout "

When Harold was on that roundabout was he surrounded on all sides....

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

When Harold was on that roundabout was he surrounded on all sides.... "

he was Tom.

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By *ickshawedCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton


"Bizarre society we live in.

High streets boarded up because of high rents imposed by greedy property owners and councils imposing unaffordable rate's."

The council may collect business rates, but it's the government who set them. The valuation office (a government department) set the value of a property, the government sets the multiplier that is used to calculate the bill. It's a common misconception that the council gets to choose what rates they charge.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"Bizarre society we live in.

High streets boarded up because of high rents imposed by greedy property owners and councils imposing unaffordable rate's.

The council may collect business rates, but it's the government who set them. The valuation office (a government department) set the value of a property, the government sets the multiplier that is used to calculate the bill. It's a common misconception that the council gets to choose what rates they charge."

Absolutely local councils are just governmental puppets.

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A


"Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality."

I agree with that... Thatcher was almost a kind of internalised misogyny icon. A phony feminism that appealed to men and women. Nina Power wrote on that in One Dimensional Woman. Very interesting read.

Neoliberalism well as Chomsky said it's rebranded free-market economics. It's neither New or Liberal.

The myths of the invisible hand of market forces and trickle down effect. It's not even vaguely shown to be true after 40+ years. Yet we keep doubling down on it.

Led by the least amongst us.

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By *ickshawedCouple
over a year ago

Wolverhampton


"Bizarre society we live in.

High streets boarded up because of high rents imposed by greedy property owners and councils imposing unaffordable rate's.

The council may collect business rates, but it's the government who set them. The valuation office (a government department) set the value of a property, the government sets the multiplier that is used to calculate the bill. It's a common misconception that the council gets to choose what rates they charge.

Absolutely local councils are just governmental puppets."

I disagree with you there. But they do have to follow laws and regulations

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

From the homeless persons perspective rather than societies. The problem is that once you’ve lost your home and your work not having one prevents you obtaining the other. There aren’t safety nets in place that will enable you to achieve either once you are in this position.

Typically to become in this position your mental health will have also become poor and even if you had the skills and determination to resolve your present situation you cannot necessarily use them. The health care system is so overloaded that in my case it is the reason I became in this situation. In many cases it’s the reason you can’t get out of a situation.

What you get is gestures of food and mental health support which personally I found quite patronising. What you need is, prompt effective healthcare, an opportunity to have somewhere to wash, a good meal every day and a helping hand into regular work so you can resolve your own problems.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"Hastings has been on a decline for many years, mainly due to its proximity to the ferry ports and the local council being responsible for immigrants,they became overwhelmed many years ago and this is why councils all over the country have to house them now.

We almost purchased a fabulous house there in 2001 at the time it was only 55k the equivalent at that time where we lived in London would have topped a million.

It wasn't till we went down there and scoped the area we realised why.

Sad because it was once a beautiful thriving seaside town."

They also moved a lot of council residents to Hastings.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"...Why are there so many homeless people attracted to this seaside town? Is it the climate that attracts them or just birds of a feather flocking together. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news"

It is sheltered from the cold north wind, for a start.

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

When Harold was on that roundabout was he surrounded on all sides....

he was Tom. "

I'm not surprised it went badly for him. Mini-roundabouts are a disaster waiting to happen.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"One if the richest countries on the planet and we still have homeless. A national disgrace and embarrassment "

Not sure how you measure rich but how many homeless have you taken in?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Hasn't Prince William promised to end homelessness? How's he getting on with that?"

Probably about as well as everyone else.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

People forget that some people choose to be homeless

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless"

Some do. And I'm not sure anyone forgets them. Brushing under the carpet seems to be the response. I can think of few things worse than your life collapsing and ending up homeless.

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex


"By the way the battle of Hastings took place in Battle. It is now being suggested that the battlefield site behind the abbey isn't actually accurate and neither is the spot where Harold fell, that is actually a mini roundabout

When Harold was on that roundabout was he surrounded on all sides....

he was Tom.

I'm not surprised it went badly for him. Mini-roundabouts are a disaster waiting to happen."

This particular one is for sure.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless"

Do they Tom? I think the number of people who choose to live on the streets is relatively small compared to the number who would like to have a roof over their head at night.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

Do they Tom? I think the number of people who choose to live on the streets is relatively small compared to the number who would like to have a roof over their head at night. "

There's a small percentage but I don't think they class themselves as homeless more living off grid,tho technically homeless in the eyes of the law.

Brighton is a perfect example of this with people who let's say choose to live in old busses and vans and generally enjoy growing mushrooms

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

What's happening especially in London alot of low income families, single men with drink or drug issues, recently released from prison, care system etc are being re-housed in temporary accommodation such as bedsits, and HMO'S (house with multiple occupancy) all over the sea Side towns as they are alot cheaper

rent wise. That's why you see a lot of them together.

It's very sad because alot of them are moved from where they grew up and had some sense of belonging.

Some of the men don't have drink or drug problems but have had a marital break up and end up in these types of accommodation. Once they are there they are lonely, and isolated and end up with a drink and drug problem.

Alot of these places can be very hostile where residents bully one another. So some of the people actually feel safer sleeping on the street.

There was a really good documentary about this a couple of years ago. I can't remember the name I'll look it up and then post it.

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By *rHotNottsMan
over a year ago

Dubai & Nottingham


"Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality.

I agree with that... Thatcher was almost a kind of internalised misogyny icon. A phony feminism that appealed to men and women. Nina Power wrote on that in One Dimensional Woman. Very interesting read.

Neoliberalism well as Chomsky said it's rebranded free-market economics. It's neither New or Liberal.

The myths of the invisible hand of market forces and trickle down effect. It's not even vaguely shown to be true after 40+ years. Yet we keep doubling down on it.

Led by the least amongst us."

They should let uk people vote and join political parties , that would fix it all ? No more nasty people in charge

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh

England continues with a rather horrible assessment for homeless people called the priority need test. Effectively you may be homeless through no fault of your own and with a genuine local connection to the area but you can be deemed not a priority for advice and assistance let alone accommodation.

This means most single people over 18 and under 65 are told that they don't matter

This rather barbaric practice was abolished in Scotland years ago along with the right to buy Social Housing.

You may remember a big fuss being made of offering people on the street accommodation during Covid. That was an English thing as accomodation is normally offered to those in need elsewhere.A change in the law in England is long overdue

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless"

You think? What possible justification do you have for making such a ridiculous comment? Is it something you read in the Braverman Book of Fun or is it all over the news?

People don't forget this at all, they simply don't believe it to be true

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

You think? What possible justification do you have for making such a ridiculous comment? Is it something you read in the Braverman Book of Fun or is it all over the news?

People don't forget this at all, they simply don't believe it to be true"

Nope it's a statement of fact. But not sure its very many. Besides not really the point. But nonetheless a fact

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

You think? What possible justification do you have for making such a ridiculous comment? Is it something you read in the Braverman Book of Fun or is it all over the news?

People don't forget this at all, they simply don't believe it to be true

Nope it's a statement of fact. But not sure its very many. Besides not really the point. But nonetheless a fact"

Really? What evidence do you have for this?

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley

I am finding this to be one of The best threads emanating from Tom's keyboard. Very thought provoking.

I get the feeling that some are seeing this as a problem caused by the long term residents and offspring of seaside towns being unable to find work but I strongly suspect that the problem is mainly an imported one, cased by both the transfer of benefit seekers from London and other treas and, secondly, people choosing to come and settle in seaside towns because they are attractive and fairly relaxed but well catered for places for much of the year and quite often reminders happy memories of holiday visits.

I haven't been there since before covid but, even then, the free car park at St Leonard's was already home to quite a few dumped touring caravans with people living in them, seemingly without harassment from the authorities. Handy place for getting propositioned in the underground toilets!

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

You think? What possible justification do you have for making such a ridiculous comment? Is it something you read in the Braverman Book of Fun or is it all over the news?

People don't forget this at all, they simply don't believe it to be true"

If someone leaves an abusive situation I wouldn't class that as voluntary homeless.

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

You think? What possible justification do you have for making such a ridiculous comment? Is it something you read in the Braverman Book of Fun or is it all over the news?

People don't forget this at all, they simply don't believe it to be true

If someone leaves an abusive situation I wouldn't class that as voluntary homeless."

Neither would I. The legislation is quite clear on this too.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"

If someone leaves an abusive situation I wouldn't class that as voluntary homeless.

Neither would I. The legislation is quite clear on this too. "

Sad that there even needs to be legislation on that.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

Interestingly (perhaps) the Battle of Hastings did not take place in Hastings

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless"

They do Tom, they choose to leave a relationship rather than continue living in fest of their life and the safety of their children is utmost in their minds..

The facts are that some women don't get to make that choice as some abusive bully crosses the line and kills them, two a week I think is the number..

What a choice to be having to consider eh..

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire


"People forget that some people choose to be homeless

They do Tom, they choose to leave a relationship rather than continue living in fest of their life and the safety of their children is utmost in their minds..

The facts are that some women don't get to make that choice as some abusive bully crosses the line and kills them, two a week I think is the number..

What a choice to be having to consider eh..

"

Fear not fest..

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I'm trying to think of the people I've known or known about who have deliberately lived on the street, especially at winter. Of course I mean people who could properly reside in some kind indoor abode.

I honestly can't think of anyone who's lived outside when they were,

a) not as poor,

b) not hopelessly drug-dependent, or

c) well in terms of their mental health.

Cardiff isn't too bad, but near me there are some people who hang out in the day who I'm pretty sure actually have a regular indoor place to sleep, I'm not sure they can be there in the day though.

And there are some who actually sit out and beg until late who have shared accom too, but they are a different thing again. They might actually class as 'homeless' in a temp accom sense (like some Big Issue sellers can for a period), but they are not truly (or deliberately) on the street. Those can give a lot of people a bad name sadly.

Actually being on the street with nowhere to call home (even if you have or can sometimes find respite at night) is a terrible thing, and it happens.

pt

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

One is classed as homeless if they sleep with the sky overhead.

Those who have friends who can put them up are not classed as homeless, or those who sofa surf, and seeing it that way makes them wait longer to be housed, plus there are a high number who are homeless that are 24 or under.

Some people choose to be homeless, as having a home can be too much to bare.

Plus some homeless would rather sleep on the street than a HMO or hostel.

Homelessness always increases under tory rule always that is not an opinion but a fact I am afraid the truth is out there for this.

There is protection for those now due to COL crisis, that just keeps those in danger on the edge.

And most people are only 3 months from homelessness if their financial position changes.

Sh t show.

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By *ornucopiaMan
over a year ago

Bexley


"Interestingly (perhaps) the Battle of Hastings did not take place in Hastings "

Senlac Hill was the battle site, I was taught, and also that the Normans landed at Pevensey.

Channel Islanders celebrate Senlac Day on the 14th of October as they like to rub in the fact that they were part of Normandy at the time and remained so after the Norman kings gradually lost their influence in France and England during subsequent times. Fewer and fewer care about this nowadays as it doesn't hold much water anyway!

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Interestingly (perhaps) the Battle of Hastings did not take place in Hastings

Senlac Hill was the battle site, I was taught, and also that the Normans landed at Pevensey.

Channel Islanders celebrate Senlac Day on the 14th of October as they like to rub in the fact that they were part of Normandy at the time and remained so after the Norman kings gradually lost their influence in France and England during subsequent times. Fewer and fewer care about this nowadays as it doesn't hold much water anyway!"

Whenever I hear "the Norman's" I can't help but think of Norman wisdom and Norman Hunter.

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"One is classed as homeless if they sleep with the sky overhead.

Those who have friends who can put them up are not classed as homeless, or those who sofa surf, and seeing it that way makes them wait longer to be housed, plus there are a high number who are homeless that are 24 or under.

Some people choose to be homeless, as having a home can be too much to bare.

Plus some homeless would rather sleep on the street than a HMO or hostel.

Homelessness always increases under tory rule always that is not an opinion but a fact I am afraid the truth is out there for this.

There is protection for those now due to COL crisis, that just keeps those in danger on the edge.

And most people are only 3 months from homelessness if their financial position changes.

Sh t show."

That's not actually the correct definition in terms of law. You are homeless if you have no secure accommodation or it is unreasonable to expect you to occupy your accommodation (for example fear of domestic violence)

Those who are sofa surfing may be regarded as homeless. Likewise a hostel is not considered permanent secure accommodation and whether or not you choose to accept a form of temporary accommodation does not affect your homeless status

Again this choosing to be homeless is stated without any real evidence.

In all my years working in this sector I only encountered one person who actually chose to live on the street and it was due to a fairly unique family circumstance. He is now comfortable in Sheltered Housing after many years on the streets

There is however no doubt that the difference in law between England and Scotland sees much higher numbers sleeping rough on the streets.

There is no denying that the sale of Social Housing at a discount hampers the building of new housing and reduces the rental pot for its maintenance

Tory policies for sure but a legacy of going for short term political gain too

There is much that can be done but there has to be a willingness to understand and address the problems

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3


"One is classed as homeless if they sleep with the sky overhead.

Those who have friends who can put them up are not classed as homeless, or those who sofa surf, and seeing it that way makes them wait longer to be housed, plus there are a high number who are homeless that are 24 or under.

Some people choose to be homeless, as having a home can be too much to bare.

Plus some homeless would rather sleep on the street than a HMO or hostel.

Homelessness always increases under tory rule always that is not an opinion but a fact I am afraid the truth is out there for this.

There is protection for those now due to COL crisis, that just keeps those in danger on the edge.

And most people are only 3 months from homelessness if their financial position changes.

Sh t show.

That's not actually the correct definition in terms of law. You are homeless if you have no secure accommodation or it is unreasonable to expect you to occupy your accommodation (for example fear of domestic violence)

Those who are sofa surfing may be regarded as homeless. Likewise a hostel is not considered permanent secure accommodation and whether or not you choose to accept a form of temporary accommodation does not affect your homeless status

Again this choosing to be homeless is stated without any real evidence.

In all my years working in this sector I only encountered one person who actually chose to live on the street and it was due to a fairly unique family circumstance. He is now comfortable in Sheltered Housing after many years on the streets

There is however no doubt that the difference in law between England and Scotland sees much higher numbers sleeping rough on the streets.

There is no denying that the sale of Social Housing at a discount hampers the building of new housing and reduces the rental pot for its maintenance

Tory policies for sure but a legacy of going for short term political gain too

There is much that can be done but there has to be a willingness to understand and address the problems "

I no longer work in the sector, and Scotland have a humane view towards the homeless.

Have you hear the term hardcore homeless?

Thats what I refer to for those who choose to live on the streets.

In my time there was about 60 people who came under this term in this city, their reason were many, being evicted, loss of job and not wanting to go through the situation again, Life is easier on the streets.

here there was a count every night of those sleeping rough and the rules to class a street homeless person was sleeping without cover, or in a tent, if those rules have changed then that is good progress.

Yes the sale of social housing for profit has enhanced this issue, so hopefully all this talk of building more homes will make a difference, hopefully people will accept and not reject the building of new homes.

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By *uby RougeWoman
over a year ago

East Midlands


"Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality.

I agree with that... Thatcher was almost a kind of internalised misogyny icon. A phony feminism that appealed to men and women. Nina Power wrote on that in One Dimensional Woman. Very interesting read.

Neoliberalism well as Chomsky said it's rebranded free-market economics. It's neither New or Liberal.

The myths of the invisible hand of market forces and trickle down effect. It's not even vaguely shown to be true after 40+ years. Yet we keep doubling down on it.

Led by the least amongst us."

Her government was the one that set the whole selling council housing stock. Unfortunately they're not being replaced.

Ruby x

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Interestingly (perhaps) the Battle of Hastings did not take place in Hastings "

Not you again..

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By *panksspankedMan
over a year ago

Edinburgh


"Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality.

I agree with that... Thatcher was almost a kind of internalised misogyny icon. A phony feminism that appealed to men and women. Nina Power wrote on that in One Dimensional Woman. Very interesting read.

Neoliberalism well as Chomsky said it's rebranded free-market economics. It's neither New or Liberal.

The myths of the invisible hand of market forces and trickle down effect. It's not even vaguely shown to be true after 40+ years. Yet we keep doubling down on it.

Led by the least amongst us.

Her government was the one that set the whole selling council housing stock. Unfortunately they're not being replaced.

Ruby x"

Thatcher wasn't opposed to Social Housing just local authorities owning it. She was responsible for huge funding of Housing Associations This didn't stop Boris proposing selling of Housing Association stock too claiming it would complete Thatcher's dream

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3


"Along with the NHS the whole system is broken.

This is a direct result of decades of underfunding in the wrong place.

Decades of ignorance.

Decades of selfishness

Perpetuated by the Tory government under the leadership of Thatcher creating a me first mentality.

I agree with that... Thatcher was almost a kind of internalised misogyny icon. A phony feminism that appealed to men and women. Nina Power wrote on that in One Dimensional Woman. Very interesting read.

Neoliberalism well as Chomsky said it's rebranded free-market economics. It's neither New or Liberal.

The myths of the invisible hand of market forces and trickle down effect. It's not even vaguely shown to be true after 40+ years. Yet we keep doubling down on it.

Led by the least amongst us.

Her government was the one that set the whole selling council housing stock. Unfortunately they're not being replaced.

Ruby x

Thatcher wasn't opposed to Social Housing just local authorities owning it. She was responsible for huge funding of Housing Associations This didn't stop Boris proposing selling of Housing Association stock too claiming it would complete Thatcher's dream"

Many people who brought they council homes lost them a few years later when interest rates rose.

Same will most likely happen next year, though I do not wish that on anyone.

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By *asterR and slut mayaMan
over a year ago

Bradford


"Hastings is one of the poorest towns in the country, we also have a very high homeless population. The reasons for that are many and various. We have a couple of charities that help with a hot meals, clothes, medical and dental care,tents, sleeping bags etc. I know that a lot of their clients are escaping domestic violence, have left the care system, lost jobs, can't find anywhere to rent that they can afford etc and that some of them have jobs.

The council are struggling to provide temporary accommodation for people who have lost their homes due to landlords selling property or moving to the more lucrative air bnb. This same council also spent money on placing arm rests in the middle of benches so that homeless people couldn't sleep on them .

We see a lot of homeless people as we walk about the town, very few of them ask for money and the genuine long term ones are very easy to identify. Traditionally seaside towns attract the homeless in the summer. I don't know the reasons but recently many have decided to stay. Conditions must be dreadful elsewhere if the life they lead here is preferable.

"

Its the same in big city like mine to be honest its seams to be everywhere now .

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