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Louise. Hero or Agitator

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Reports that the former wife of Jamie Rednapp, the footballer who once sang in a girl band called Eternal who ironically broke up, has caused stir. The band were planning a reunion tour but some bandmates are reported as saying that she has thrown them under a bus. Apparently, some band members did not want to play gay venues and so Jamie's wife has pulled out. Is she a hero or agitator. Should bands be able to play the venues they want. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news ..

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By *otsossieMan
over a year ago

Chesterfield

Try again, you’ve got your facts a bit garbled.

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By *entle_lover_xMan
over a year ago

Great Dunmow

Not sure but you are definitely an agitator Tom

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

A hero in my eyes! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

They were just a step from Heaven.

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

Two of the band members apparently have issues with LGBT evebts being taken over by the transgender community. Pushing the arguement that trans should not be included in Pride events even though many of the original Stonewall Riot were crossdressers and probably would have identified as trans in todays society.

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex

I don't know much about this but when she says

"My new go to product" on that ad I feel rage

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Has Louise not had enough attention lately?

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"I don't know much about this but when she says

"My new go to product" on that ad I feel rage "

Why rage?

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By *icecouple561Couple
Forum Mod
over a year ago

East Sussex


"I don't know much about this but when she says

"My new go to product" on that ad I feel rage

Why rage?"

No idea, it's irrational but it really yanks my chain

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By *oggoneMan
over a year ago

Derry


"Not sure but you are definitely an agitator Tom "

Our very own bomb thrower, bless his little agitator heart.

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By *obyn GravesTV/TS
over a year ago

1127 walnut avenue

Well after being thrown under a bus I doubt they'll be playing anywhere for a while..

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Travelling

Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members. "

If Band A said I don't want to play in Glasgow because it will probably rain than that is one thing. Bit like Eddie Jones saying that Wales is a shitty little country.

But if they say that they don't want to play at the G-A-Y club because there may be gays there then is that a criminal offence. Where is Jennie when you need her ?

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport


"Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members. "

Minor correction in that it seemed to be artists C and D that both disagreed as both Redknapp and Bryan were reported as deciding to split from the group due the Bennett sisters views.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members.

If Band A said I don't want to play in Glasgow because it will probably rain than that is one thing. Bit like Eddie Jones saying that Wales is a shitty little country.

But if they say that they don't want to play at the G-A-Y club because there may be gays there then is that a criminal offence. Where is Jennie when you need her ?"

That's not what they've said though.

"A message was sent to the team putting together the Eternal reunion stating that if it was to go ahead, neither Vernie nor Easther would perform at Pride shows or LGBTQ+ festivals," he said.

"This was because the duo felt that the gay community was being hijacked by the trans community and they do not support this."

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66910604

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No great loss all round.

They were crap anyway.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members.

If Band A said I don't want to play in Glasgow because it will probably rain than that is one thing. Bit like Eddie Jones saying that Wales is a shitty little country.

But if they say that they don't want to play at the G-A-Y club because there may be gays there then is that a criminal offence. Where is Jennie when you need her ?

That's not what they've said though.

"A message was sent to the team putting together the Eternal reunion stating that if it was to go ahead, neither Vernie nor Easther would perform at Pride shows or LGBTQ+ festivals," he said.

"This was because the duo felt that the gay community was being hijacked by the trans community and they do not support this."

https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-66910604"

FWIW some people do feel that LGB issues have been hijacked by trans issues (although I that's a very emotive word).

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport

To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

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By *odgerMooreMan
over a year ago

Carlisle

In the words of the Hard Rock Cafe - Love All - Serve All… music is love… love doesn’t judge. Im leaving the thread to sit in my teepee and fuck em all!! - with love obviously

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials.""

Pink News. One of the most hyperbolic news sources. Ok.

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By *illan-KillashMan
over a year ago

London/Sussex/Surrey/Berks/Hants

Jamie Redknapp sang in Eternal?

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By *hrimper36Couple
over a year ago

Central France dept 36


"Try again, you’ve got your facts a bit garbled. "

Really???

ET

No say it ain’t so.

T

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials.""

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

Things like this eventually turn & eat themselves.

The girls were right as LGB is surely about what the acronym stands for, many Lesbians are feminists so never going to accept the sheer misogyny of men saying they are women.

Struggle to believe that there is a big desire for BLM supporters to be part of the ever changing other lgbtq+ whatever flag. Seems odd.

Louise to has her own view & if they cannot agree, don't play.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Wait. What's the issue?

Artists A and B dont want to perform at certain venues, they should be able to do so, or not as it were.

Artist C disagrees with A and B so chooses not to do any venues? Again within her right to do so.

There is no issue here other than a disagreement between band members.

If Band A said I don't want to play in Glasgow because it will probably rain than that is one thing. Bit like Eddie Jones saying that Wales is a shitty little country.

But if they say that they don't want to play at the G-A-Y club because there may be gays there then is that a criminal offence. Where is Jennie when you need her ?"

Don't drag me into a trans politics debate. There is no answer, and there are enough extremists on both sides of the fence to ensure there never will be an answer.

.

Where's the My Mate Fancies You thread?

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By *addad99Man
over a year ago

Rotherham /newquay

I wouldn't say hero but she sticking to her own views just like the Bennett sisters have we live in a world where you can't have a opinion unless it's fits in with others im sure it wouldn't have ever been mentioned if they were saying that they didn't want to play at Wembley or Cardiff but the others do.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

Well without wanting to sound cynical, I'm sure all this publicity hasn't drawn any attention to the reunion tour

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials.""

I massively admire someone sticking to their principles, literally putting her money where her mouth is which in this 'cancel culture' is hugely impressive.

Top Lady.

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By *azza72Man
over a year ago

Leeds

I think Louise has pulled out because she can’t sing for toffee

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

A lot of fuss about a reunion that won’t last past 3 people watching at the Dog n Duck.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall


"Reports that the former wife of Jamie Rednapp, the footballer who once sang in a girl band called Eternal who ironically broke up, has caused stir. The band were planning a reunion tour but some bandmates are reported as saying that she has thrown them under a bus. Apparently, some band members did not want to play gay venues and so Jamie's wife has pulled out. Is she a hero or agitator. Should bands be able to play the venues they want. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news .."

It’s probably for the best. Her band mates views are against her principles and her principles are against her band mates.

It seems that they can’t agree to disagree.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton


"I think Louise has pulled out because she can’t sing for toffee "

Likely a very big consideration.

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By *UGGYBEAR2015Man
over a year ago

BRIDPORT

My guess is she has another project coming up and the publicity she is getting now is worth more to her than the publicity she would have got from yet another reformed has been singers from yesterday gig.

But I’m not at all cynical

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

All a load of noise.

Band mates can't agree in things so a tour doesn't happen. It's no more than that

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian "

Which originators of the riots were trans?

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian

Which originators of the riots were trans? "

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian

Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well."

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens.

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By *G LanaTV/TS
over a year ago

Gosport


"Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens. "

Certainly at the time they wouldn't have identified as transgender as I don't think the term was coined then. At the time they were both understood to identify as transvestite but it is my understanding that both later identified as trans and that is certainly how the historians now seem to consider them.

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

Good for Louise, and for Kelle Bryan too.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"Reports that the former wife of Jamie Rednapp, the footballer who once sang in a girl band called Eternal who ironically broke up, has caused stir. The band were planning a reunion tour but some bandmates are reported as saying that she has thrown them under a bus. Apparently, some band members did not want to play gay venues and so Jamie's wife has pulled out. Is she a hero or agitator. Should bands be able to play the venues they want. What's going on here guys. It's all over the news .."

Is it because they would be too busy bumming eachother to pay attention to the beautiful music?

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton


"Good for Louise, and for Kelle Bryan too."

Really, congratulating a couple of ladies that do not stand up for the true female gender? Odd.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford


"Good for Louise, and for Kelle Bryan too.

Really, congratulating a couple of ladies that do not stand up for the true female gender? Odd. "

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian "

Not you again...

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"To quote frpm Pink News:

"In June the girls receved an email from Easther and Vernie who refused to play any gay festivals or Pride. They said they can't support the LGBTQ+ community now it has an alliance with the trans community, a stance Vernie in particular has been public about on socials."

Now it has?

The T has been there for a long ass time and the originators of the Stonewall riots were trans. The history of pride is built around trans and bi, just as much as gay and lesbian

Not you again..."

Daily mail chat bot says what now?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"My guess is she has another project coming up and the publicity she is getting now is worth more to her than the publicity she would have got from yet another reformed has been singers from yesterday gig.

But I’m not at all cynical "

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

its not like she even needs to do the tour or reform, she is minted and has gone on to be very lucrative . so good for all sticking to their own views/beliefs on either side ..

this was just wasn't meant to be for the band reforming

With trans issues , its like religion you are either for it or against it or you just simply dont care either way as its irrelevant to your life experiences . .. there is no middle ground ultimately ..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens.

Certainly at the time they wouldn't have identified as transgender as I don't think the term was coined then. At the time they were both understood to identify as transvestite but it is my understanding that both later identified as trans and that is certainly how the historians now seem to consider them."

Right. I don't really think that's accepted history by everyone. It's controversial and some suggest it's revisionist to say that Stonewall leaders were trans. I wonder if that's one reason why some people consider there to be a bit of a hijack of LBG issues.

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By *ea monkeyMan
over a year ago

Manchester (he/him)


"Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens.

Certainly at the time they wouldn't have identified as transgender as I don't think the term was coined then. At the time they were both understood to identify as transvestite but it is my understanding that both later identified as trans and that is certainly how the historians now seem to consider them.

Right. I don't really think that's accepted history by everyone. It's controversial and some suggest it's revisionist to say that Stonewall leaders were trans. I wonder if that's one reason why some people consider there to be a bit of a hijack of LBG issues. "

It’s my understanding that two of the notable agitators and instigators of the violence were at least cross dressing or tranvestites. Whether they were actively transitioning is a different matter but the T has always been tied into stonewall.

It’s my understanding that it’s not that the history has been revised but that it’s been censored for the benefit of anti trans sentiments, just as the bisexual involvement has been eroded.

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By *ssex_tom OP   Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford


"Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens.

Certainly at the time they wouldn't have identified as transgender as I don't think the term was coined then. At the time they were both understood to identify as transvestite but it is my understanding that both later identified as trans and that is certainly how the historians now seem to consider them.

Right. I don't really think that's accepted history by everyone. It's controversial and some suggest it's revisionist to say that Stonewall leaders were trans. I wonder if that's one reason why some people consider there to be a bit of a hijack of LBG issues.

It’s my understanding that two of the notable agitators and instigators of the violence were at least cross dressing or tranvestites. Whether they were actively transitioning is a different matter but the T has always been tied into stonewall.

It’s my understanding that it’s not that the history has been revised but that it’s been censored for the benefit of anti trans sentiments, just as the bisexual involvement has been eroded. "

Well that's cleared that up so meanwhile back at the Home Secretary's Office....

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"Which originators of the riots were trans?

Famouly Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera who as I understand it witnessed the raid and were amongst the first to fight back but I have been told there were others as well.

I have heard of both of them (and Storme) but I thought they were drag queens.

Certainly at the time they wouldn't have identified as transgender as I don't think the term was coined then. At the time they were both understood to identify as transvestite but it is my understanding that both later identified as trans and that is certainly how the historians now seem to consider them.

Right. I don't really think that's accepted history by everyone. It's controversial and some suggest it's revisionist to say that Stonewall leaders were trans. I wonder if that's one reason why some people consider there to be a bit of a hijack of LBG issues.

It’s my understanding that two of the notable agitators and instigators of the violence were at least cross dressing or tranvestites. Whether they were actively transitioning is a different matter but the T has always been tied into stonewall.

It’s my understanding that it’s not that the history has been revised but that it’s been censored for the benefit of anti trans sentiments, just as the bisexual involvement has been eroded. "

Oh hadn't heard bisexuals had been revised out? It's quite interesting reading around this because there's a variety of stories about who did what and when!

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames

If it wasn’t for this story, I wouldn’t have known that the “band” were back together or that they were touring.

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"If it wasn’t for this story, I wouldn’t have known that the “band” were back together or that they were touring. "

And rush out and buy tickets?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago


"If it wasn’t for this story, I wouldn’t have known that the “band” were back together or that they were touring.

And rush out and buy tickets? "

You think Tom gets commission? ?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"its not like she even needs to do the tour or reform, she is minted and has gone on to be very lucrative . so good for all sticking to their own views/beliefs on either side ..

this was just wasn't meant to be for the band reforming

With trans issues , its like religion you are either for it or against it or you just simply dont care either way as its irrelevant to your life experiences . .. there is no middle ground ultimately ..

"

Not sure where I fit into that assessment. Does “tolerance” not fit into the middle ground that to say doesn’t exist?

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By *immyinreadingMan
over a year ago

henley on thames


"If it wasn’t for this story, I wouldn’t have known that the “band” were back together or that they were touring.

And rush out and buy tickets? "

Me? No. You going?

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By *ackformore100Man
over a year ago

Tin town


"If it wasn’t for this story, I wouldn’t have known that the “band” were back together or that they were touring.

And rush out and buy tickets?

Me? No. You going? "

Good lord above... No... Actually love most kinds of live music but would be a real stretch to see them... Besides my crop top doesn't fit me any more.

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