FabSwingers.com forum: Russell Brand

By *ocal_to_Stroud OP Man
over a year ago

Stroud

Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?

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By *m3232Man
over a year ago

maidenhead

He has had sex with lots of ladies so it’s likely in this day and age someone will think it’s their chance to claim.

Can’t stand the man. Hopefully the correct outcome happens what ever that may be.

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By *rooperRedMan
over a year ago

Littlehampton

The problem with conspiracy theories is that so far 99.9999% of them have yet to be proven. He'll milk it like a fat cow though.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Maybe both. Maybe neither.

Either way I'm convinced that the media as a whole don't give a shit about the victims or the cause.

It's all about what they can get out of it, whatever their end game may be.

They will exploit whatever they can, using whatever they can, anyway they can to their own favour and ends.

At this point though, the subject is just going to go around and around in circles on an endless cycle of blind belief and conspiracy theorists.

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By *atnip make me purrWoman
over a year ago

Reading

For someone so obsessed with sex it's possibly hard to imagine he hasn't done anything.

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By *ighting 50Man
over a year ago

Retford

He isn't someone I likes as a comedian

I think as a civil rights person sometimes it came across as disingenuous

As with everything a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing but people with power or perceived power seem to get alot of things nowadays

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"For someone so obsessed with sex it's possibly hard to imagine he hasn't done anything. "

That doesn't bode well for many many people on Fab.

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"Maybe both. Maybe neither.

Either way I'm convinced that the media as a whole don't give a shit about the victims or the cause.

It's all about what they can get out of it, whatever their end game may be.

They will exploit whatever they can, using whatever they can, anyway they can to their own favour and ends.

At this point though, the subject is just going to go around and around in circles on an endless cycle of blind belief and conspiracy theorists."

Exactly. This is why I won’t get involved but I do read all these threads with interest. Interesting reads

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?"

Did they 'out' him because they couldn't take him to court and he did everything they allege and more?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?

Did they 'out' him because they couldn't take him to court and he did everything they allege and more?"

Highly likely.

I suppose we’ll find out when the chequebooks come out to make it all go away.

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By *iss LovelyWoman
over a year ago

Here and There

I don’t think there’s any way for us to tell.

He’s definitely been very promiscuous, and I’m fairly sure he was a self confessed sex addict in the past. Clearly liked rough sex

Has he been inappropriate? Probably. Was any of it illegal? Could be.

It does seem like it’s all historical though. Fairly wholesome family man these days by all accounts. So it makes you wonder if the timing of it is deliberate. Who knows. Sure it’ll all come out in the wash.

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

Those who believe in conspiracies will believe this is a conspiracy theory. Those who believe that any time something bad comes put about someone, it's an attempt to "cancel" them, will believe this. Despite the fact he continues to have a huge platform and is doing shows still.

If you really doubt 4 women who don't know each other, and have been investigated by different news fact checkers, and continue to believe the guy with an at-best checkered history with this kind of thing, then your mind is unlikely to change, no matter how much evidence is presented (and it seems like there is a lot)

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

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By *hil most chillMan
over a year ago

South East & Europe

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Lol yeah Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and Donald Trump are all clearly victims of conspiracies, and not just the horrific people they clearly present themselves as. Good one

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Apparently lots of comedians he's worked with have previously mentioned shit about him being a creep to girls, but he would threaten them with legal action, so no one did anything.

I totally believe he did it. Why else would you preemptively rag on the "MSM"?

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
over a year ago

A den in the Glen

Cant stand the guy. He's how it will go... Dragged out in the media forever. Those that like him will support him, those that don't will question and doubt him. He won't gain anything from it and nothing will be proven.

3 sides to every story. His, hers and the truth. 2 people know the real truth, millions will guess.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

how come anyone who's promiscuous and gets accused of more then obviously they "must of done it" because there already promiscuous. no idea weather he did what hes accused of or not, but he has been very open about his lifestyle choices, probably more so than most on this site! weather you like him or not, dont judge based on his lifestyle, or him as a person, lets wait for facts to come out and for courts to do there thing.

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"Apparently lots of comedians he's worked with have previously mentioned shit about him being a creep to girls, but he would threaten them with legal action, so no one did anything.

I totally believe he did it. Why else would you preemptively rag on the "MSM"?"

And the women set up a WhatsApp group to warn each other I believe....But of course that's probably a conspiracy too no doubt.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Your argument lost all credibility when you mentioned Jones and Tate, you might have been better referencing Pol Pot and Idi Amin..

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

I think the whole debacle has certainly raised questions about how, as a society, we deal with the issue.

For me, the lense through which we view events such as this has become very cloudy.

And I don't think it's helpful that everything is viewed through the same lense

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By *abtastic Mr FoxMan
over a year ago

A den in the Glen

"I think the whole debacle has certainly raised questions about how, as a society, we deal with the issue.

For me, the lense through which we view events such as this has become very cloudy.

And I don't think it's helpful that everything is viewed through the same lense "

Kaleidoscope more like

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By *icknmix500Man
over a year ago

South Gloucestershire

He's a fucking weirdo ! lets hope and pray he fucks off never to be seen again.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

No. He's really not important enough to be "shut down" because of his influence. I think it's unlikely that Rupert Murdoch fears his youtube channel *that* much.

Whether he did what the women allege is a different story that will need to be tested in court. But I do think people making serious allegations should be taken seriously.

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By *dy-ukTV/TS
over a year ago

Alcester

Has he been arrested over those allegations?

Has he been charged over those allegations?

Has he been found guilty over those allegations?

I don't particularly like the person, but what happened to "innocent until proven"?

The media and bias reporting, have already judged

I'm not saying he is innocent, nor is he necessarily guilty, but the people have been 'fed' the filtered info they choose to (in an hours tv program, if you take the commercials out) and convince us all he is guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Maybe both. Maybe neither.

Either way I'm convinced that the media as a whole don't give a shit about the victims or the cause.

It's all about what they can get out of it, whatever their end game may be.

They will exploit whatever they can, using whatever they can, anyway they can to their own favour and ends.

At this point though, the subject is just going to go around and around in circles on an endless cycle of blind belief and conspiracy theorists."

That was my thoughts also. This pretence to be doing this because they care...they dont give a hoot about the women allegedly assaulted.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Your argument lost all credibility when you mentioned Jones and Tate, you might have been better referencing Pol Pot and Idi Amin.."

Despotic dictators ? Or outspoken self made millionaire

Your point ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Lol yeah Alex Jones, Andrew Tate and Donald Trump are all clearly victims of conspiracies, and not just the horrific people they clearly present themselves as. Good one

Re read, you have missed my point

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it. "

Which one was proven guilty ?

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By *erald 1999Man
over a year ago

carmarthen

It's funny how these allegations have come to light now ....when they could have come to light a few years ago just as he is exposing big pharma ....the tax payer helped pay for all the vaccines yet the pharma Companies took all the profit ....I wonder how thick people really are , that don't question anything that goes on ....just stick your heads in the sand and take the medicine thar they dish out to you ..signed a conspiracy theorist

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ? "

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

I am going to with that's a false dichotomy.

Is it both or is it neither?

There's another one for you.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?"

point of question, these people have talked to the press, yet no complaint made to the police, and no one finds this odd?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?

point of question, these people have talked to the press, yet no complaint made to the police, and no one finds this odd?"

The police and CPS do such a top notch job with SA convictions, don't they?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?"

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has he been arrested over those allegations?

Has he been charged over those allegations?

Has he been found guilty over those allegations?

I don't particularly like the person, but what happened to "innocent until proven"?

The media and bias reporting, have already judged

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Your argument lost all credibility when you mentioned Jones and Tate, you might have been better referencing Pol Pot and Idi Amin..

Despotic dictators ? Or outspoken self made millionaire

Your point ?

That's totally another level of historical rewriting bs..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Oh tee hee

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Oh tee hee "

I thought it was punny.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

Your argument lost all credibility when you mentioned Jones and Tate, you might have been better referencing Pol Pot and Idi Amin..

Despotic dictators ? Or outspoken self made millionaire

Your point ?

That's totally another level of historical rewriting bs..

To some degree yes your right, trump could be considered a tyrant, as could all American presidents including the current puppet

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

By all means carry on with oblique comments that many people won't understand if it makes you feel clever.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Probably a wise move. Who wants to see an unsolicited dick pic?

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By *anzcoupleCouple
over a year ago

Lanzarote

His new book “I’m Fuckyucked..”

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

This isn't the first time something has been hinted at about him being inappropriate tbh

I try to remain impartial but there are so many stories in the media ATM of men being grape-ists/sexual harasses it becomes difficult and triggering to try and think "innocent until proven guilty"

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

I would absolutely love to say if I had been the victim of a SA I would 100% go to the police….. after seeing what one of my best friends went to going through the process..I don’t know if I would!

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Well cyberflashing is against the law so....

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By *anda and CatCouple
over a year ago

Never liked him, always thought he was a misogynistic, self absorbed person. Back when he first found the limelight in 2000 he soon came out as a "sex addict" almost to the point of bragging about it. Now he's a typical woke, anti establishment bigot.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I would absolutely love to say if I had been the victim of a SA I would 100% go to the police….. after seeing what one of my best friends went to going through the process..I don’t know if I would!

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying "

And unfortunately this is the case for alot of women, and even worse for men who come forward

You only have to read about some of the comments made by police/judges in some of the previous trials to be put off by reporting such a thing

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

By all means carry on with oblique comments that many people won't understand if it makes you feel clever.

No need to be personal, I think everyone is far to quick to jump on these people and claim to know that they are sexual predators, it has to go to court and be proven, what’s so hard about that ?

And if it’s proven then that’s when we can all condemn them

Easy

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By *uddy laneMan
over a year ago

dudley

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Well cyberflashing is against the law so...."

In 10yrs time I can expect a ch4 show about me.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

By all means carry on with oblique comments that many people won't understand if it makes you feel clever.

No need to be personal, I think everyone is far to quick to jump on these people and claim to know that they are sexual predators, it has to go to court and be proven, what’s so hard about that ?

And if it’s proven then that’s when we can all condemn them

Easy "

You weren't being clear.

And getting a r@pe case to court isn't easy. Getting people charged much less convicted for SA is getting worse. The legal system is backlogged, police forces in many cases aren't properly trained to deal with SA and some judges seem to be living in the 70s.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I am going to stop sending unsolicited d1ck pic messages, do not want to be branded a russel.

Well cyberflashing is against the law so....

In 10yrs time I can expect a ch4 show about me. "

Lmao

Tbh I think on such a site the law wouldn't bat an eyelid

But in real life, sending unsolicited dick pic is against the law and is a form of sexual harassment

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By *abioMan
over a year ago

Newcastle and Gateshead

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

By all means carry on with oblique comments that many people won't understand if it makes you feel clever.

No need to be personal, I think everyone is far to quick to jump on these people and claim to know that they are sexual predators, it has to go to court and be proven, what’s so hard about that ?

And if it’s proven then that’s when we can all condemn them

Easy "

Easy you say…. Just out of curiosity do you know the percentage of cases reported to police actually get prosecuted by the CPS? …. Let alone the conviction rate!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I -

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Has he been arrested over those allegations?

Has he been charged over those allegations?

Has he been found guilty over those allegations?

I don't particularly like the person, but what happened to "innocent until proven"?

The media and bias reporting, have already judged

But waiting for facts and not rushing to self righteous dopamine hitting is so 1990s.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I know what we should do. We should just have any victim or liar go to the press. That'll help.

So many people have issues with SA cases that go to the police yet do absolutely fuck all about it.

It's like it's a ready made excuse and they don't wanna see it get any better.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Alex Jones. Trump and Tate are yet to go to court. Your point?

Do I need one? You have answered your own question

Well no of course not. If you'd prefer to make statements that no-one can understand, be my guest.

You mean you didn’t understand the part where you mentioned they have to attend court

By all means carry on with oblique comments that many people won't understand if it makes you feel clever.

No need to be personal, I think everyone is far to quick to jump on these people and claim to know that they are sexual predators, it has to go to court and be proven, what’s so hard about that ?

And if it’s proven then that’s when we can all condemn them

Easy

Easy you say…. Just out of curiosity do you know the percentage of cases reported to police actually get prosecuted by the CPS? …. Let alone the conviction rate!"

It has been widely covered in the news over the years yes,clearly there’s a huge problem and it’s not good enough

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over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ? "

Being a sex pest doesn’t rely on guilt or otherwise. Body language, vernacular and attitude enough to demonstrate it

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over a year ago

"I know what we should do. We should just have any victim or liar go to the press. That'll help.

So many people have issues with SA cases that go to the police yet do absolutely fuck all about it.

It's like it's a ready made excuse and they don't wanna see it get any better. "

Pardon? What would you have us do about police SA cases?

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

Both. He had a wild sex life when he was younger and sounds like he’s overstepped the line a few times however he’s never been less relevant than he is now. He attacks mainstream media and they don’t like it. They have decided to take him out

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over a year ago

"Both. He had a wild sex life when he was younger and sounds like he’s overstepped the line a few times however he’s never been less relevant than he is now. He attacks mainstream media and they don’t like it. They have decided to take him out "

"Stepped over the line a few times" = r@pe allegations. Ok.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Roll out the sexual assault charges, impossible to prove and a permanent stain on his character, classic tactics of the establishment

He’s very outspoken and has become very influential toeing the same lines as Alex Jones and Andrew Tate and you could even put Donald trump in with the group

Ohhh guess what! All those super villains have also had sexual assault charges filed against them

Are you getting it yet

All of those toxic males are also sex-pests? Yeah I think we get it.

Which one was proven guilty ?

Being a sex pest doesn’t rely on guilt or otherwise. Body language, vernacular and attitude enough to demonstrate it

Absolutely agree, but this won’t always be present or at least it will be hidden

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying "

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

I've seen what being wrongfully accused does to a person and their life too. By a person that nobody thought would ever lie about such things or stoop to such levels, but stoop and lie she did. Very good actress about it all too.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

More focus needs to be done on actual investigation and police attention to be given seriously, not word of mouth and trust in "journalists" especially - some of which are not afraid to twist and bend facts to get a story they want.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

I believe he is very capable and potentially more likely to have done these things than a lot of other men but that also is why it's a perfect angle for them to work if it is fake - but my faith in celebrity journalism as having integriry is low, which is just another reason I won't be quick to believe as true.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

It's not 50/50 that an SA allegation is false. Is that what you're suggesting? It's quite rare. Awful and hugely impactful but rare. Estimated at between 3-4% of reported SA. And of course reported SA is well below what's happening. I do have stats I can dig up, just need to walk my doggo.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"I know what we should do. We should just have any victim or liar go to the press. That'll help.

So many people have issues with SA cases that go to the police yet do absolutely fuck all about it.

It's like it's a ready made excuse and they don't wanna see it get any better.

Pardon? What would you have us do about police SA cases? "

Do what you need to do....

As I said, seems like it's a ready made excuse.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Daniel Sloss Russell Brand

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I know what we should do. We should just have any victim or liar go to the press. That'll help.

So many people have issues with SA cases that go to the police yet do absolutely fuck all about it.

It's like it's a ready made excuse and they don't wanna see it get any better.

Pardon? What would you have us do about police SA cases?

Do what you need to do....

As I said, seems like it's a ready made excuse. "

Oh. Well. Clear as mud then. And apparently investigative journalism has no value in your world either.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

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By *ora the explorerWoman
over a year ago

Paradise, Herts

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately "

They’ve even run out of pitchforks at pitchforks r us

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?

point of question, these people have talked to the press, yet no complaint made to the police, and no one finds this odd?

The police and CPS do such a top notch job with SA convictions, don't they? "

and they dont pay for stories

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

They’ve even run out of pitchforks at pitchforks r us "

But they’re getting delivery tomorrow so it’s all good. I’ll be back to man hating then.

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over a year ago

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations? "

That part!

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations? "

Kevin Spacey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

They’ve even run out of pitchforks at pitchforks r us

But they’re getting delivery tomorrow so it’s all good. I’ll be back to man hating then.

It’s not man-hating to be against a sex-pest.

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By * and R cple4Couple
over a year ago

swansea

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey "

Their have been a few lately depending on what you class as a celebrity..Even when they are found not guilty in a court of law according to the social media experts their still guilty anyway ..So their fucked either way really …

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By *eelGoodIncMan
over a year ago

Mids

He's genuinely innocent until hard evidence proves otherwise. Yes he's had a LOT of sexual partners over the years but I get a weird gut feeling that there's definitely more to this.

He's a very outspoken person and can also be rather anti establishment. He's certainly ruffled a few feather over the years with the MSM. So it wouldn't be too farfetched to even slightly think that this could be their way of getting back at him but none of us know for sure.

It's also extremely rare for somebody accused of such horrible things to post a video protesting their innocence so publicly. In fact it's almost unheard of.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

They’ve even run out of pitchforks at pitchforks r us

But they’re getting delivery tomorrow so it’s all good. I’ll be back to man hating then.

It’s not man-hating to be against a sex-pest."

Apparently it is. And I’m ok with that.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

They’ve even run out of pitchforks at pitchforks r us

But they’re getting delivery tomorrow so it’s all good. I’ll be back to man hating then.

It’s not man-hating to be against a sex-pest."

But it's a great sound-bite isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately "

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

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over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey "

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men "

And obvs Brand is really ALL men. We must remember that.

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

Called it!

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men "

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Called it! "

What or who did you call? Ghostbusters?

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury? "

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……"

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"Called it!

What or who did you call? Ghostbusters?"

One of the other threads about this. It is somewhere out there to be cross referenced.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Called it!

What or who did you call? Ghostbusters?

One of the other threads about this. It is somewhere out there to be cross referenced."

- off to check

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

And obvs Brand is really ALL men. We must remember that.

My point proven right here ^^

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Called it!

What or who did you call? Ghostbusters?

One of the other threads about this. It is somewhere out there to be cross referenced."

You called it that people will argue about two sides of an issue, didn't you?

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over a year ago

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple. "

It's not though is it.

Less than 1% of SA allegations end in conviction regardless of whether there is evidence and/or multiple victims reported.

So in your eyes the 99% of the women in the other trials must be lies and/false allegations?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple. "

Not all convictions are correct. Not all acquittals either.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative "

No one is moving the goal post the OP may be about Russell does that mean every single reply on the thread is about him?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative "

Ah no, you've suggested misandrists are happy because Brand is being accused of SA. Why would anyone ever be happy that women are saying they've been SA'd? And why does Brand receiving some stick for his questionable activities in the past mean anyone hates men?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This isn't the first time something has been hinted at about him being inappropriate tbh

I try to remain impartial but there are so many stories in the media ATM of men being grape-ists/sexual harasses it becomes difficult and triggering to try and think "innocent until proven guilty" "

Before you try and hint I'm saying that things I'm not kindly refer to my original comment about RB in response to the OP

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative

Gives them an excuse to say women who claim to have been SA because their perpetrator wasn't found guilty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Is he a sexual predator or are they trying to cancel him because of his conspiracy theories?"

I just watched the dispatches programme and found it had the whole Saville vibes with broadcaster cover ups and denials….I always think why don’t they report the matter to the police directly but also comprehend the sheer fear people may have when having to deal with celebrities and reporting their crimes!!

I’d like to see the truth come out and hopefully it does….I don’t think you can believe too much at this stage….reason being….Man City left back Mendy and lots of allegations made by many different women which came to be untrue….so it should run its course and see what happens!!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I would hate to think how some of you would respond if someone close to you was SA Jesus chrsit

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By *agneto.Man
over a year ago

Bham

I could have written this whole thread before hand.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple.

It's not though is it.

Less than 1% of SA allegations end in conviction regardless of whether there is evidence and/or multiple victims reported.

So in your eyes the 99% of the women in the other trials must be lies and/false allegations? "

In my eyes you saw an opportunity for a free ‘drive-by’ character assassination…… yet again.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative

Oh come on, just press your own green arrow and you’ll find the answer you seek

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple.

It's not though is it.

Less than 1% of SA allegations end in conviction regardless of whether there is evidence and/or multiple victims reported.

So in your eyes the 99% of the women in the other trials must be lies and/false allegations?

In my eyes you saw an opportunity for a free ‘drive-by’ character assassination…… yet again. "

Should of gone to specsavers then sweetheart.

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By *ex HolesMan
over a year ago

Up North

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations?

Kevin Spacey

Was it proven to be false allegations or was he found not guilty by a jury?

If the allegations were found to be true then he would’ve been convicted. It’s really that simple.

It's not though is it.

Less than 1% of SA allegations end in conviction regardless of whether there is evidence and/or multiple victims reported.

So in your eyes the 99% of the women in the other trials must be lies and/false allegations?

In my eyes you saw an opportunity for a free ‘drive-by’ character assassination…… yet again.

Should of gone to specsavers then sweetheart. "

My eyes are good love xx

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it. "

Equally a guilty verdict won’t change the minds of those who believe it to be a conspiracy against him.

But any potential verdict is all that matters. Have to trust the system even if in SA cases it’s notoriously unreliable.

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over a year ago

I was talking to a female friend about this today, and the broader topic of SA.

It’s not man-hate to point out that there’s barely a woman alive who hasn’t suffered some kind of SA.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it. "

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"All the misandrist type must feel like all their Christmases have come at once lately

Yes I'm sure they love that women are being SA so that rhey have a reason to 'hate' men

My current affairs knowledge is a little hazy, please remind me who Russell SA’d again and when he was convicted of doing so……

Not sure about your current affairs but your reading if definitely hazy.

Would you like to point out where I specified Russell had SA anyone?

The OP is about Russell, let’s not move the goalposts to suit your narrative

Oh come on, just press your own green arrow and you’ll find the answer you seek

Me arguing against misogynist views doesn't mean I hate men, Rex. I'm sorry you think that about me. I don't. I push back on what I see as sexist behaviour.

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over a year ago

"I was talking to a female friend about this today, and the broader topic of SA.

It’s not man-hate to point out that there’s barely a woman alive who hasn’t suffered some kind of SA. "

We're all lying apparently

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By *aitonelMan
over a year ago

Liverpool

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come.."

It doesn't matter what a verdict finds. The vast majority of people will have already made up their minds and a guilty/not guilty won't change that.

They will always have their excuse for why he did/did not do it.

At this point no amount of proof or lack there of will change that for some.

Guilty - they were out to get him and it was all conspiracy

Not guilty - that doesn't prove he didn't do it. SA convictions are low.

And that will be knocked back and forth for all eternity. People have their own agenda and will die on the hill they have made for themselves as they continue to preach their side.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come.."

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

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over a year ago

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty. "

He’s guilty of nothing at present, correct.

But he is a sex-pest, regardless. There’s ample evidence of that.

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over a year ago

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it. "

I haven't said I believe him guilty or not-guilty.

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By *ophieslutTV/TS
over a year ago

Central

I'm sure it's nothing to do with him milking con£piracy theories for all they're worth.

It appears he's upset an extensive number of women and been allowed to misbehave, with minimal respect for others, for a long time. Possibly, he was too powerful, to rein in and he did have lawyers threatening women he'd affected. (A common ploy of the rich, in an uneven power distribution).

He seems unpalatable and it's great that women are speaking out, after an era when men were oppressive, if not abusive

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty. "

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

I haven't said I believe him guilty or not-guilty. "

Then the question wasn't aimed toward you.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

So much energy spent on something and someone and arguing amongst yourselves, that has absolutely no relevance to your lives! If one of you said black is white, someone else would argue its actually orange.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

He’s guilty of nothing at present, correct.

But he is a sex-pest, regardless. There’s ample evidence of that. "

We all knew that already

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge.."

Do we?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

He’s guilty of nothing at present, correct.

But he is a sex-pest, regardless. There’s ample evidence of that.

We all knew that already"

Oh absolutely. But some on this thread even deny that, such is their cognitive bias.

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By *ellinever70Woman
over a year ago

Ayrshire

"So much energy spent on something and someone and arguing amongst yourselves, that has absolutely no relevance to your lives! If one of you said black is white, someone else would argue its actually orange. "

Imagine how dull people would be if they only discussed their own lives

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?"

Do you not judge then?

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?"

We do, instinctively..

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

Imagine how dull people would be if they only discussed their own lives "

Fancy having to look in the mirror and not out the window at others. Fuck that would really upset people

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then? "

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

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over a year ago

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does. "

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

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By *antasysoulsCouple
over a year ago

Dumfries

"The problem with conspiracy theories is that so far 99.9999% of them have yet to be proven. He'll milk it like a fat cow though. "
really the problem is with 97% of people 1% rule everything they watch read and eat and only 2% have their eyes open to it sheep will be sheep tho and be good little lambs like going to church and believing what they are told by the mainstream media who it just so coincidentally are owned by the 1%

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for. "

You're talking on a conscious level there. Alot of judgement goes on unseen under the surface in the subconscious. Totally unaware of how this actually biases our views and perceptions, take your partner, you would of judged them when you met them. Judgement is an ingrained human behavior based in survival of the species.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"The problem with conspiracy theories is that so far 99.9999% of them have yet to be proven. He'll milk it like a fat cow though. really the problem is with 97% of people 1% rule everything they watch read and eat and only 2% have their eyes open to it sheep will be sheep tho and be good little lambs like going to church and believing what they are told by the mainstream media who it just so coincidentally are owned by the 1% "

Lemme guess, you’re in the 2%?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

You're talking subconscious. My question was clearly aimed at conscious judgements.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements. "

So, you make conscious judgements then, whether that's over time or in the moments......take the topic in hand you'll make conscious judgements, of RB like I do, based on how I percieve him, whether I like him or not, whether I respect him or not, in some ways I do and in others way I don't.....I judge him on certain things that I dint agree, which is by the by, as its not relevant to this OP.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

You're talking subconscious. My question was clearly aimed at conscious judgements. "

Subconsciously he's marmite, bloke comes across as a bit of a complete prat but as I said earlier until due process etc..

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By *mateur100Man
over a year ago

nr faversham

I don't like him, never have, but he's not been found guilty of anything yet

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

You're talking subconscious. My question was clearly aimed at conscious judgements.

Subconsciously he's marmite, bloke comes across as a bit of a complete prat but as I said earlier until due process etc..

I agree with you. I don't particularly like him but that doesn't mean I think he's guilty already.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence. "

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement...."

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly.

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly."

I was only intrested in the judgement bit, I don't give two fucks what Russell Brand had been up to, I think the gezzer is a cunt personally...but hey ho.

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By *ouple in LancashireCouple
over a year ago

in Lancashire

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

You're talking subconscious. My question was clearly aimed at conscious judgements.

Subconsciously he's marmite, bloke comes across as a bit of a complete prat but as I said earlier until due process etc..

I agree with you. I don't particularly like him but that doesn't mean I think he's guilty already. "

On that we agree, there's more to come I reckon and as we've seen with some people who have a position of power and such allegations are made others who don't feel so threatened by said person come forward..

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly."

And tbh I don't even know what, the question was that you posed

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By *ripodius WillyusMan
over a year ago

Here and there

So far just allegations and folk need to be careful of words they use generally on social media and anything on internet never disappears

My concerns are firstly none of the alleged victims took this to police yet spoke to a tv channel, and what with the anonymity in place the alleged offender is working blind and in instances like this if not gone to cops but choosing to use tv channel the law on anonymity needs tweaking otherwise lets say a random person alleges you did something with a male/female in july 1980 who could honestly say they would be able to recall therefore unable to have a clear memory of events.

Do not get me wrong if any allegations are taken to police and someone is taken to court and found guilty by a court then deal with it accordingly.

Social media etc and trial by social media is not the law

thank god

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

We do, instinctively..

You may well do. That doesn't mean everyone else does.

They do, as do you in all aspects of life..

You, and I and 'them' the rest of the human race make judgements all the time..

It's done without thinking..

You're talking subconscious. My question was clearly aimed at conscious judgements.

Subconsciously he's marmite, bloke comes across as a bit of a complete prat but as I said earlier until due process etc..

I agree with you. I don't particularly like him but that doesn't mean I think he's guilty already.

Whether there's more to come or not is yet to be seen.

All I'm saying is I want evidence, I want the authorities to look at the evidence and then we can go from there.

I'm not going to judge him guilty because a few journos and now thousands of people say so.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do not get me wrong if any allegations are taken to police and someone is taken to court and found guilty by a court then deal with it accordingly.

This is the problem. Traditionally it’s not dealt with properly in the vast majority of cases.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly.

And tbh I don't even know what, the question was that you posed

It's right there at the top of the quote

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly.

And tbh I don't even know what, the question was that you posed

It's right there at the top of the quote

Fuck that, that means actually reading....

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Do not get me wrong if any allegations are taken to police and someone is taken to court and found guilty by a court then deal with it accordingly.

This is the problem. Traditionally it’s not dealt with properly in the vast majority of cases."

You're right. Andrew Malkinson will tell you all about that.

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Stepped over the line a few times" = r@pe allegations. Ok. "

Don’t quote me and take things I say out of context

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By *aucasian GhandiMan
over a year ago

from my dad's left nut (Warwick)

"What will it take for those who believe Russell Brand to be guilty, to change their minds?

I guarantee a not guilty verdict isn't it.

Equally that could be reversed and those who think him totally innocent won't change their minds even if he were found to be bang to rights..

There's wrong on both sides, and it's not just issues like this..

COVID, politics is the same all very tribal and entrenched..

Fact is until a person is found guilty under due process which applies to us all the assumption has to be they are as yet innocent..

I think this and as with most things that surface in the media there may well be more to come..

It could be spun but I ask about that pov because he's currently innocent. As far as I'm aware, not even an arrest has been made. Yet, here we are with more than a few people claiming he's guilty.

Way of the world, human nature and all that..

We all judge..

Do we?

Do you not judge then?

I can't say I do. Not without first hand information to enable me to make an informed judgement.

Or at the very least, that's what I strive for.

I judged my partner over many years. Having known her very well for that long before we became a partnership.

Of course I'm talking on a conscious level. The question was regarding conscious judgements.

Of course I make conscious judgements. As I said, after I feel I have enough evidence to make them.

I refer you to my original question. For those who believe him to be guilty, before we've seen any evidence.

Let the powers be decide whether he's guilty or not, with the evidence that's available.

Thats my final judgement....

Agreed.

Which means my question wasn't aimed toward you. No one has answered yet, unsurprisingly.

And tbh I don't even know what, the question was that you posed

It's right there at the top of the quote

Fuck that, that means actually reading...."

In answer to your question, people will believe what they want to believe, despite evidence or the lack of, a offence being charged or not, a guilty or not guilty being passed in court by a group of his societal peers. Ppl will make there minds up, and rarely change them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations? "

jonny depp and kevin spacey

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Stepped over the line a few times" = r@pe allegations. Ok.

Don’t quote me and take things I say out of context "

The thread is about whether he is a sexual predator. You described him as stepping over the line. What were you referring to if not the accusations against him which, again, the subject of the thread. Because it is a reasonable interpretation to make that you equate the multiple r@pe allegations with "stepping over the line".

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By *andsolo21Man
over a year ago

Salisbury

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By *heGateKeeperMan
over a year ago

Stratford

The texts seemed quite damning imo and it’s sad that victims need to keep the harrowing evidence on their devices for fear of not being believed

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By *hetalkingstoveMan
over a year ago

London

I mean, whatever he has done or not done, this is not to "silence him". It's hilarious people think they're so important.

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By *tylebender03Man
over a year ago

Manchester

"Stepped over the line a few times" = r@pe allegations. Ok.

Don’t quote me and take things I say out of context

Just dont ever quote me. I’ve got no interest in discussing this with you. I’m not sure you even read the posts properly

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By *ldgeezermeMan
over a year ago

Corralejo Surfing Colours

How does this silence him?

If anything it's given him immense publicity

TBH most people weren't aware of what he was doing, or in fact that he was still active

If "they" wanted to silence someone I doubt he'd make the top ten

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Do not get me wrong if any allegations are taken to police and someone is taken to court and found guilty by a court then deal with it accordingly.

This is the problem. Traditionally it’s not dealt with properly in the vast majority of cases.

You're right. Andrew Malkinson will tell you all about that. "

So we’re agreed that SA cases should be listened to and heard correctly?

Presumably that would lead to a better than 1% chance of conviction like we see at present?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

If "they" wanted to silence someone I doubt he'd make the top ten"

It’s a common thing now isn’t it? People with immense followings claiming conspiracy to ‘silence’ them. Which they broadcast noisily on their massive platform.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

She was the shell of the person she had been for a long time after….

So before anyone uses the conspiracy defence… imagine if some of the incidents written about in the Times and the Sunday Times had been for example your daughter…. It’s horrifying

So is being accused of sexual assault despite it being all lies and bullshit.

Some people lie, and some of them tell extremely vile lies.

It is very easy for somebody to accuse another person. And despite it being proven otherwise that accusation has stuck to him, he is viewed as somebody who was accused by some.

Blind belief and faith in accusations is dangerous.

I have no love for RB nor care for him personally, but there is every chance that this is as much true as it is fabricated or exaggerated.

Also it's worth noting for the people quick to say it could be false, when was the last time a celeb was accused of SA and it was proven to be false allegations? "

Cough.. Kevin Spacy. Or is just accusations by women count?

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By *arakiss12TV/TS
over a year ago

Bedford

Meanwhile Russia is taking pot shots at Brit plane, the economy is ditching, dangerous dogs are on the rampage and illegal migrants are storming the beaches.

What bakes my buns is CH4 and BBC are launching a probe..... probabably up their own rear ends. Why? They should be.....probed. Sack their big bosses I say.

Then the police have to clean up their house before they can do more.... probing.

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

Do not get me wrong if any allegations are taken to police and someone is taken to court and found guilty by a court then deal with it accordingly.

This is the problem. Traditionally it’s not dealt with properly in the vast majority of cases.

You're right. Andrew Malkinson will tell you all about that.

So we’re agreed that SA cases should be listened to and heard correctly?

Presumably that would lead to a better than 1% chance of conviction like we see at present? "

Absolutely they should be heard correctly. Pretty sure that's what I've said all along. Allow the authorities to investigate.

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By *enSiskoMan
over a year ago

Cestus 3

From what i saw in between all of those adverts is that it deals with a specific point in time.

At the height of his addiction.

One of the text messages presented in the programme was presented as RB saying sorry for an incident when the women in question describe an SA.

But read the text closely without media input and it presents as he didn't use a condom when he said he did, she discovered he hadn't and stated he is sexually active and would she need a check up hence the ra@e crisis centre.

To be duped in such a way usually has feelings of violation, which I suppose it is, but sadly the law doesn't agree.

What I saw was another star having their ego boosted by bosses making money off their talent, and their behaviour excused.

Plus as long as women some women throw themselves at stars this will continue.

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By *lan157Man
over a year ago

a village near Haywards Heath in East Sussex

"I was talking to a female friend about this today, and the broader topic of SA.

It’s not man-hate to point out that there’s barely a woman alive who hasn’t suffered some kind of SA.

We're all lying apparently "

A woman friend told me this a few years ago ( all women have experienced some kind of SA abuse) and I did not believe her . I made enquires of every woman I knew and could ask and found she was substantially correct. It was a huge wake up call to learn this.

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By *omsubdevonCouple
over a year ago

Newton Abbot

He is a narcissist. As much as this is about him being a sexual predator it is far more about power and control. He groomed a 16 year old girl.

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By *scobar67Man
over a year ago

glasgow

"For someone so obsessed with sex it's possibly hard to imagine he hasn't done anything. "

I think thats a bit harsh

There are ppl on here who have plenty of sex... It doesn't mean it isn't / wasn't consensual.

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By *wisted999Man
over a year ago

North Bucks

Looks like his mate Noel Fielding also liked them 16 years old according to some more revelations this morning allegedly.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I was talking to a female friend about this today, and the broader topic of SA.

It’s not man-hate to point out that there’s barely a woman alive who hasn’t suffered some kind of SA.

We're all lying apparently

Have a look at Jessica Taylor’s study on this

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By *awpleasureMan
over a year ago

Sutton Coldfield

Is it the case that that the bbc want him silenced because RB has threatened to out top celebs who have indulged with under age?

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By *atfuckerbristolMan
over a year ago

Wells

I don’t know what happened - but RB spent most of the late 1990s and 2000s creating almost the perfect conditions for something like this to occur.

Do I think the mainstream media is plotting to take him down? No. Firstly, they’d be way more subtle. Secondly, he’s not quite the threat to the establishment I suspect he thinks he is.

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