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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. " Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an  from me. | |||
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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an from me."What if he is innocent, people will always assume guilty. | |||
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"OMG! Is Alan Carr gay? I never knew! "No he's just camp.  | |||
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"Wonder if this is the issue that Katherine Ryan has referred to in the past." Over my head, what has she referred to? | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more?" About to be outed as what ? | |||
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"Hopefully researched and ran past the lawyers with a fine tooth comb . Look what the BBC did to Cliff Richard. " BBC already bombed this guy out but ITV of course hoovered him & his buddy up some years ago. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to." The problem is there is very little investigative journalism these days (not that IJ doesn't have a dark side), and more find any hint of a rumour to run with. It's all gossip point collecting to be the first with the "news" with as many viewers as possible. The media agenda is never about doing the right thing, and always about whatever they can do to keep people busy and invested in that particular member of the media. | |||
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"Wonder if this is the issue that Katherine Ryan has referred to in the past. Over my head, what has she referred to?" A prominent TV star and comedian who is (in her words) ‘a predator’ | |||
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"Wonder if this is the issue that Katherine Ryan has referred to in the past. Over my head, what has she referred to? A prominent TV star and comedian who is (in her words) ‘a predator’" Thanks. I,ll research. | |||
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"Anyone remember Noel Clarke or Cliff Richard?" bunch of perverts irrc (Jk) | |||
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"Anyone remember Noel Clarke or Cliff Richard?" We’re too young for that. | |||
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"Anyone remember Noel Clarke or Cliff Richard? We’re too young for that." Dream on. | |||
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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an from me."I’ve no idea who it is or what they have or haven’t done and not the slightest bit interested, but It’s all over for them once some random on a sex site eye rolls  | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more? About to be outed as what ?" That was going to be my question Sally. Outed as what ? Usually outed , or coming out , refers to admitting that you are Gay...... Big fucking deal. Absolutely , big fucking deal. If that is what this thread is about then it's pretty shameful that everyone gets so excited at the prospect of hearing about someone's sex life. It makes me quite nauseus. The more we learn about gender and sexuality then the more I believe that it isn't a fixed behaviour and who someone fucks harms no one. If they are going to be 'outed' for something else entirely , I can wait and see. | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more? About to be outed as what ? That was going to be my question Sally. Outed as what ? Usually outed , or coming out , refers to admitting that you are Gay...... Big fucking deal. Absolutely , big fucking deal. If that is what this thread is about then it's pretty shameful that everyone gets so excited at the prospect of hearing about someone's sex life. It makes me quite nauseus. The more we learn about gender and sexuality then the more I believe that it isn't a fixed behaviour and who someone fucks harms no one. If they are going to be 'outed' for something else entirely , I can wait and see. " If you see Russell Brands short video on his Twitter feed, he says there some very serious criminal allegations. We're assuming this thread is about him. | |||
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"Outed for what?" Being a wrong un | |||
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"Outed for what?" Not being a comedian maybe? | |||
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"Outed for what?" https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-posts-video-online-denying-unspecified-criminal-allegations | |||
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"Outed for what?" Having his cock out on Fab | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more? About to be outed as what ? That was going to be my question Sally. Outed as what ? Usually outed , or coming out , refers to admitting that you are Gay...... Big fucking deal. Absolutely , big fucking deal. If that is what this thread is about then it's pretty shameful that everyone gets so excited at the prospect of hearing about someone's sex life. It makes me quite nauseus. The more we learn about gender and sexuality then the more I believe that it isn't a fixed behaviour and who someone fucks harms no one. If they are going to be 'outed' for something else entirely , I can wait and see. If you see Russell Brands short video on his Twitter feed, he says there some very serious criminal allegations. We're assuming this thread is about him. " Thanks. I went for a short read. It seems that allegations have been made about him that he denies. He was a self confessed sex addict and has had treatment for that and has never denied it and I believe is a changed person and claims that every relationship he had was consensual. I can wait and see for that too. I hope it's not true to be honest. It'll make me sad if it is. | |||
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"He says he snogged Meghan Markle" Well we all make mistakes | |||
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"Outed for crimes against comedy. I think it’s on channel 4 tonight “dispatches”" I think a large number could be outed for crimes purporting to be comedy | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more? About to be outed as what ? That was going to be my question Sally. Outed as what ? Usually outed , or coming out , refers to admitting that you are Gay...... Big fucking deal. Absolutely , big fucking deal. If that is what this thread is about then it's pretty shameful that everyone gets so excited at the prospect of hearing about someone's sex life. It makes me quite nauseus. The more we learn about gender and sexuality then the more I believe that it isn't a fixed behaviour and who someone fucks harms no one. If they are going to be 'outed' for something else entirely , I can wait and see. If you see Russell Brands short video on his Twitter feed, he says there some very serious criminal allegations. We're assuming this thread is about him. Thanks. I went for a short read. It seems that allegations have been made about him that he denies. He was a self confessed sex addict and has had treatment for that and has never denied it and I believe is a changed person and claims that every relationship he had was consensual. I can wait and see for that too. I hope it's not true to be honest. It'll make me sad if it is." We will see how the program reports this (whatever it is). Then we will allow the authorities to release any information before making our minds up. Sadly, if it is about him, I'm sure there's enough people who will find him guilty because of who he is regardless. | |||
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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an from me.
What if he is innocent, people will always assume guilty. "I agree. I've no idea. The video had strong whiffs of "thou doth protest too much" but, assuming it's something criminal, justice would need to run its course, obviously. | |||
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"Who cares really ?  "Presumably, the people making whatever allegations are being made? | |||
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"Who cares really ?
Presumably, the people making whatever allegations are being made? "That's about the long and the short of it. | |||
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"Who cares really ?
Presumably, the people making whatever allegations are being made? "Oh right …. | |||
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"Who cares really ?
Presumably, the people making whatever allegations are being made?
That's about the long and the short of it.
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"Who cares really ? "Depends what we are talking about. The activities of an individual? Not hugely. . The potential likelihood of another media witch hunt shit storm in which the media decide on morals and try to destroy someone else? Quite a bit actually. | |||
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"Who cares really ?
Depends what we are talking about.
The activities of an individual? Not hugely.
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The potential likelihood of another media witch hunt shit storm in which the media decide on morals and try to destroy someone else? Quite a bit actually. " | |||
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"Who cares really ?
Presumably, the people making whatever allegations are being made?
That's about the long and the short of it.
So they on here too then lmao "No idea. I'm guessing Russell Brand would have a difficult time hiding his identity. | |||
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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an from me.
What if he is innocent, people will always assume guilty.
I agree. I've no idea. The video had strong whiffs of "thou doth protest too much" but, assuming it's something criminal, justice would need to run its course, obviously."I think I'd protest if I was being accused of a sexual offence I didn't commit. Not to say it isn't the case, it could well be but equally if he said nothing people would be suspicious about that too. In this situation an individual can't win. | |||
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" If you see Russell Brands short video on his Twitter feed, he says there some very serious criminal allegations. We're assuming this thread is about him. " Thankyou, how did everyone know who it was about as no one said it! If its him being outed as gay or bi, literslly who cares? If its criminal then we won't know any of the facts so who cares? | |||
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"Seems it. Let’s wait for the weekend to see what he’s done. Allegedly, obviously. You can guess what's coming, and I've no idea if he's guilty of whatever will be alleged, but anyone talking about an "mainstream agenda against them" will get an from me.
What if he is innocent, people will always assume guilty.
I agree. I've no idea. The video had strong whiffs of "thou doth protest too much" but, assuming it's something criminal, justice would need to run its course, obviously.
I think I'd protest if I was being accused of a sexual offence I didn't commit. Not to say it isn't the case, it could well be but equally if he said nothing people would be suspicious about that too. In this situation an individual can't win. "Sure. I literally have no idea, and don't really care. And I can't say enough that we'd need to wait for justice to run its course, should it get that far. But the whole "it's a mainstream conspiracy against me as they're trying to shut me down for telling you the truth" always feels like a desperate deflection. | |||
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"Who cares really ? "I do. I hope many others do too. What happens in the media affects us all. It's affecting behaviours on here at this moment. It affects the life of the accused and every member of their family. It affects the accuser if the accused is guilty and goes free. If tars the accused for ever regardless of the outcome. It reflects the way in which the populace think about sexual matters and what changes in legislation and public opinion and ultimately the behaviours and relationships of individuals will change for the worse or the better dependent upon their thought patterns and it affects on their mind, thoughts and ultimately behaviour. How detached can a person be to think that nothing matters as long as they themselves weren't harmed immediately ? | |||
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" If you see Russell Brands short video on his Twitter feed, he says there some very serious criminal allegations. We're assuming this thread is about him. Thankyou, how did everyone know who it was about as no one said it! If its him being outed as gay or bi, literslly who cares? If its criminal then we won't know any of the facts so who cares?" He's released statements about it already. Mrs | |||
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"Who cares really ?
I do.
I hope many others do too.
What happens in the media affects us all. It's affecting behaviours on here at this moment.
It affects the life of the accused and every member of their family.
It affects the accuser if the accused is guilty and goes free.
If tars the accused for ever regardless of the outcome.
It reflects the way in which the populace think about sexual matters and what changes in legislation and public opinion and ultimately the behaviours and relationships of individuals will change for the worse or the better dependent upon their thought patterns and it affects on their mind, thoughts and ultimately behaviour.
How detached can a person be to think that nothing matters as long as they themselves weren't harmed immediately ?"The media will peddle what they want regardless …. The longer people take notice of the bullshit they spread the more influence they will have …. The comedian in question makes sense a lot of the time has a lot to say …. he’s not the 1st nor the last this will happen to … but either way I’m gonna sleep tonight … that’s my 2p and I’m out …… | |||
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"Outed for what? https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2023/sep/16/russell-brand-posts-video-online-denying-unspecified-criminal-allegations" Thank you Will be interesting to see what the allegations are, fair play to RB for putting out his statement first. I shall hold opinion until more is disclosed, if it's true he deserves everything he gets. However I despise the British media, they are damaging and dangerous and usually court scandals as a deflection from bigger issues. | |||
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"Some comedian is about to be outed this weekend. Channel 4 peddling big news. Anyone know more?" Is it Russel Brand who has always had a penchant for younger women  | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this." | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this." But as he also says he was very promiscuous back in the day, doesn't mean he was honest about everything. Regardless of allegations being true or not, as they very well could be - Let's not forget his double act phone call with Jonathan Ross, he was not always a "lovely" person so could very well still have done things. I have no doubt that (true or not) the media jumped at the chance of any hint of a whisper of a rumour to shut him down. But it doesn't mean the allegations are false either. | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this." None of which means he is guilty or not guilty of anything. | |||
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"Russell Brand often criticises the main stream media and woke left extremists and now they are coming for him " You know Russel Brand is very much left wing, don’t you? In fact, he’s more left wing than most - perhaps even possible to describe his political views as ‘extremist’ He’s also very much liberal on topics of race, sexuality etc. So he’s actually pretty ‘woke’ too. | |||
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"A few need to be outed as not actually being funny " A bit like this joke that has been said a few times, still remains unfunny and will continue to stay unfunny. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to." Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. " Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. | |||
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"There have been rumours about non-consensual activity about Brand since 2006. I assume C4 and the Times (who publish tomorrow) have some evidence as he's won cases before. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/russell-brand-questioned-over-alleged-rape-7196916.html" You should be aware that Brand won a libel case against the newspaper who ran that story. All I will say is if he is one person they're naming or even implicating, they better have something to back it up because Brand isn't the type of person to allow this without pushing all the way. | |||
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"There have been rumours about non-consensual activity about Brand since 2006. I assume C4 and the Times (who publish tomorrow) have some evidence as he's won cases before. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/russell-brand-questioned-over-alleged-rape-7196916.html You should be aware that Brand won a libel case against the newspaper who ran that story. All I will say is if he is one person they're naming or even implicating, they better have something to back it up because Brand isn't the type of person to allow this without pushing all the way. " Ordinarily I’d say that the person allegedly involved wouldn’t be reading the fabswingers forum, but I’d be willing to wager Brand is around here somewhere | |||
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"There have been rumours about non-consensual activity about Brand since 2006. I assume C4 and the Times (who publish tomorrow) have some evidence as he's won cases before. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/russell-brand-questioned-over-alleged-rape-7196916.html You should be aware that Brand won a libel case against the newspaper who ran that story. All I will say is if he is one person they're naming or even implicating, they better have something to back it up because Brand isn't the type of person to allow this without pushing all the way. Ordinarily I’d say that the person allegedly involved wouldn’t be reading the fabswingers forum, but I’d be willing to wager Brand is around here somewhere "You took it wrong I think. The first sentence was aimed at the poster. The second was my view on the dispatches program. I don't think Brand will be suing some random on Fab. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. " You can listen all you want to whatever allegations are made. Evidence is key. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. You can listen all you want to whatever allegations are made. Evidence is key. " Apparently, 99% of r@pe claims end up with no conviction. Are 99% of r@pe claims invented? | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. You can listen all you want to whatever allegations are made. Evidence is key. Apparently, 99% of r@pe claims end up with no conviction. Are 99% of r@pe claims invented? " So, would you convict a person because you feel that their are not enough successful prosecutions. Years ago many women were burned and drowned as witches based on allegations. High conviction rate i imagine, so all ok. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. You can listen all you want to whatever allegations are made. Evidence is key. Apparently, 99% of r@pe claims end up with no conviction. Are 99% of r@pe claims invented? So, would you convict a person because you feel that their are not enough successful prosecutions. Years ago many women were burned and drowned as witches based on allegations. High conviction rate i imagine, so all ok." Did I say that? Or is it something you just invented in your head? I’ll ask you again, do you believe that 99% of r@pe claims are unsubstantiated? | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. " I stopped listening blindly to victims alone when my cousins ex accused him of sexual assault. It's a very easy thing to claim to cause damage to another person. The dates she gave and claimed it happened he was not in the country, nor was he weeks before and weeks after those dates. Some People lie. Some People tell horrible and vile lies to suit them. Some People won't care if it's harmful to actual victims by doing so. Damage had been done in terms of court of public opinion though. He has that stigma on him and a lot of people won't let it go. I'll take anyone seriously, whomever claims it happened to them and I will offer support. But no way am I going to base my condemning of a person based soley on a story and tears alone - I've seen the damage that can cause. | |||
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"Regardless of who it is, my position around "stuff" like this remains consistent; Not my monkey, not my circus. What people do in their private lives is nothing to do with anyone else. Salacious gossip. Nasty. Not forgetting the hypocrisy around this type of reporting. " How refreshing to hear
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. You can listen all you want to whatever allegations are made. Evidence is key. Apparently, 99% of r@pe claims end up with no conviction. Are 99% of r@pe claims invented? So, would you convict a person because you feel that their are not enough successful prosecutions. Years ago many women were burned and drowned as witches based on allegations. High conviction rate i imagine, so all ok. Did I say that? Or is it something you just invented in your head? I’ll ask you again, do you believe that 99% of r@pe claims are unsubstantiated?" What do you mean by unsubstantiated ? I’m not a judge or jury. How would i know. | |||
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"There have been rumours about non-consensual activity about Brand since 2006. I assume C4 and the Times (who publish tomorrow) have some evidence as he's won cases before. https://www.standard.co.uk/showbiz/russell-brand-questioned-over-alleged-rape-7196916.html You should be aware that Brand won a libel case against the newspaper who ran that story. All I will say is if he is one person they're naming or even implicating, they better have something to back it up because Brand isn't the type of person to allow this without pushing all the way. " That's what I said, yes. | |||
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"It’s important to remember that any of the comedians named may well be innocent - but also we absolutely must respect allegations made. It’s a maddening situation because assumption of innocence (particularly with celebs) can lead to women feeling like their (valid) stories aren’t listened to. Allegations should only be respected if there is some serious evidence to go with it. Given the small percentage of successful r@pe convictions, and the high number of victims who withdraw their cases - I’d argue that we need to do a far better job of listening to victims. Note - I am categorically not suggesting at this moment in time that any of the comedians involved have committed any sexual offence. I stopped listening blindly to victims alone when my cousins ex accused him of sexual assault. It's a very easy thing to claim to cause damage to another person. The dates she gave and claimed it happened he was not in the country, nor was he weeks before and weeks after those dates. Some People lie. Some People tell horrible and vile lies to suit them. Some People won't care if it's harmful to actual victims by doing so. Damage had been done in terms of court of public opinion though. He has that stigma on him and a lot of people won't let it go. I'll take anyone seriously, whomever claims it happened to them and I will offer support. But no way am I going to base my condemning of a person based soley on a story and tears alone - I've seen the damage that can cause. " I agree | |||
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" How detached can a person be to think that nothing matters as long as they themselves weren't harmed immediately ?" There is a difference in not caring about a newspaper article about a celebrity, compared to thinking nothing matters. If you let media coverage affect the you in the way you discuss then your life must be a constant barage of depression. If he's found guilty then he will deal with the punishment (probably more so than most as he calls the mainstream media out) and if he's not guilty then he will move on. We will never know the full details, its got nothing to do with us | |||
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"What a palaver when the programme hasn't aired and the story hasn't been published! "The Times is reporting it now. But this was my point about his video last night: getting the "the blob is out to get me" line out before the allegations were known. It's probably worked, with even some on this thread suggesting it's a "left wing woke" conspiracy. The Times! That bastion of left-wing wokery, known for leading with celeb fodder. | |||
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The Times is reporting it now. But this was my point about his video last night: getting the "the blob is out to get me" line out before the allegations were known. It's probably worked, with even some on this thread suggesting it's a "left wing woke" conspiracy.
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" I agree with everything granny said - it's not about celebrity. It's about society. Of course it's about celebrity. Name another case where you hear 2 days before allegations. Often discuss upcoming court cases do you? " Yes | |||
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"Court of public opinion is run by morons unfortunately. We will never know if he's innocent or guilty. We will never know the details just the verdict. But people on fab who have read an article will know for sure that their opinion is correct " Is that your approach to all convictions? (I am not saying RB is guilty of anything - I've no idea, just a general question) | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. The problem with sexual assault is that it has the lowest rates taken to trial and lowest conviction rates…. If it was 1 person then people would be shouting “he said she said “ but 4 people…. With ducks lined up in a row…. The newspapers and the tv channels are going to have to run this past a million lawyers to publish " I know, and agree! That was my point earlier. | |||
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"Court of public opinion is run by morons unfortunately. We will never know if he's innocent or guilty. We will never know the details just the verdict. But people on fab who have read an article will know for sure that their opinion is correct Is that your approach to all convictions? (I am not saying RB is guilty of anything - I've no idea, just a general question)" Yes 100%. I'm more interested in the laws being specific and followed. Look into the death penalty. 5% are found to be untrue post death. Think of the level of certainty needed for the death penalty. Imagine the average case and how easy it would be to get it wrong either way. We do not know the nuances and details of any court case. | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. True! But still not found guilty so it's all still gossip. Gossip to some, allegations to others. Assuming it goes further, he'll have his chance to defend himself. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything - time will tell - but dismissing a r*pe allegation as 'gossip' feels inappropriate to me." It's all gossip until it's proven not hard to comprehend. I'm not dismissing the claim! Don't put words in my mouth. I said "innocent until proven guilty." Go back to your little click on here lol | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. True! But still not found guilty so it's all still gossip. Gossip to some, allegations to others. Assuming it goes further, he'll have his chance to defend himself. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything - time will tell - but dismissing a r*pe allegation as 'gossip' feels inappropriate to me." The Times story said he had 8 days to refute the story and make a statement. He didn't. He posted his YT video defense. | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this. But as he also says he was very promiscuous back in the day, doesn't mean he was honest about everything. Regardless of allegations being true or not, as they very well could be - Let's not forget his double act phone call with Jonathan Ross, he was not always a "lovely" person so could very well still have done things. I have no doubt that (true or not) the media jumped at the chance of any hint of a whisper of a rumour to shut him down. But it doesn't mean the allegations are false either. " I have followed him since the pandemic, and also read the comments on his videos, loads have said to him they gone come for you RB, so I say again if you have followed him then you won't be surprised, if you are just joining then all you now have is the medias view. 4 women lining up asl to accuse RB of something which is now muddled with time, there will be no court case, they are trying to cancel him, they want him gone. | |||
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"Court of public opinion is run by morons unfortunately. We will never know if he's innocent or guilty. We will never know the details just the verdict. But people on fab who have read an article will know for sure that their opinion is correct Is that your approach to all convictions? (I am not saying RB is guilty of anything - I've no idea, just a general question) Yes 100%. I'm more interested in the laws being specific and followed. Look into the death penalty. 5% are found to be untrue post death. Think of the level of certainty needed for the death penalty. Imagine the average case and how easy it would be to get it wrong either way. We do not know the nuances and details of any court case. " Yes, there will always be miscarriages of justice (just one of the many reasons I am opposed to the death penalty), but I do not believe they are widespread, thankfully.That's why the onus is on the prosecution - it's a high bar. Most court proceedings are open and public record so you could definitely get to know the nuance, if you wanted to. | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this. None of which means he is guilty or not guilty of anything. " Look carefully at what I have wrote, you will see guilty nowhere, those are your words, not mine. | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. True! But still not found guilty so it's all still gossip. Gossip to some, allegations to others. Assuming it goes further, he'll have his chance to defend himself. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything - time will tell - but dismissing a r*pe allegation as 'gossip' feels inappropriate to me. It's all gossip until it's proven not hard to comprehend. I'm not dismissing the claim! Don't put words in my mouth. I said "innocent until proven guilty." Go back to your little click on here lol "Who's my little chick? I'm curious to know. I completely agree with you on "innocent until proven guilty" (I've said it about a dozen times on this thread!), but language is important. I think dismissing someone's (serious) claims as "gossip" does them a disservice, but we can agree to disagree! | |||
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" Yes, there will always be miscarriages of justice (just one of the many reasons I am opposed to the death penalty), but I do not believe they are widespread, thankfully.That's why the onus is on the prosecution - it's a high bar. Most court proceedings are open and public record so you could definitely get to know the nuance, if you wanted to. " Very much agreed on the death penalty (as well as other moral reasons Depends on your definition of widespread I guess and how one would quantify miscarriages unless they happen to be found out. Oh you absolutely could. My point is the average person does not but holds strong opinions on specific court cases in the public eye. | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. True! But still not found guilty so it's all still gossip. Gossip to some, allegations to others. Assuming it goes further, he'll have his chance to defend himself. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything - time will tell - but dismissing a r*pe allegation as 'gossip' feels inappropriate to me. It's all gossip until it's proven not hard to comprehend. I'm not dismissing the claim! Don't put words in my mouth. I said "innocent until proven guilty." Go back to your little click on here lol
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this. But as he also says he was very promiscuous back in the day, doesn't mean he was honest about everything. Regardless of allegations being true or not, as they very well could be - Let's not forget his double act phone call with Jonathan Ross, he was not always a "lovely" person so could very well still have done things. I have no doubt that (true or not) the media jumped at the chance of any hint of a whisper of a rumour to shut him down. But it doesn't mean the allegations are false either. I have followed him since the pandemic, and also read the comments on his videos, loads have said to him they gone come for you RB, so I say again if you have followed him then you won't be surprised, if you are just joining then all you now have is the medias view. 4 women lining up asl to accuse RB of something which is now muddled with time, there will be no court case, they are trying to cancel him, they want him gone." You know he had a successful career before courting the populists over Covid? That’s why I laughed when someone earlier said that the so called ‘woke left’ are gunning for him. He’s literally part of the ‘woke left’ and anyone who thinks otherwise has never actually listened to his politics. | |||
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"The way the world is now , you would need to fill out a question aer before you even had a kiss ... ME 2 gone a wee bit crazy in my opinion ... Should the complaints be named , just look at Paddy jackon NI case . I'd a bad feed from my local chipper 19 year ago can i take them to court ... Sue the owner and staff for my bad experience. ... "Obviously you can just kiss people without consent. It's fine. Subtext: (And no, I don't think a form should be filled in ) | |||
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"I’ve come into this a bit late and I haven’t seen any videos or read any articles relating to it, my only real question is this. Having acquired the information, listened to tha catalogue of accusations, why is it not people’s first instinct to take this information to the police, in order for them to investigate and take further action if deemed appropriate, rather than make a tv programme or write a newspaper article about it. Surely by affording all the publicity to the accusations will it not make the job of an unbiased court case much more difficult, it could even result in a guilty person getting off, which given the not inconsiderable time and effort put into it seems like shooting yourself in the foot a bit. I have no axe to grind on this specific scenario as I have little to no knowledge of the facts and no interest in the personality involved. " | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ... "Ok everyone has noticed you it may be best if you just stop now | |||
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"I have been tuning into this guy, and he is not narrative friendly, has survived several personal attacks on his lifestyle. Last year he was a nutty conspiracy theorist, Youtube tried to take his show off line, why because he is against the narrative he asks questions and urges his followers to ask questions too. Everyone who has seen his YouTube show will not be surprised that it has come to this. But as he also says he was very promiscuous back in the day, doesn't mean he was honest about everything. Regardless of allegations being true or not, as they very well could be - Let's not forget his double act phone call with Jonathan Ross, he was not always a "lovely" person so could very well still have done things. I have no doubt that (true or not) the media jumped at the chance of any hint of a whisper of a rumour to shut him down. But it doesn't mean the allegations are false either. I have followed him since the pandemic, and also read the comments on his videos, loads have said to him they gone come for you RB, so I say again if you have followed him then you won't be surprised, if you are just joining then all you now have is the medias view. 4 women lining up asl to accuse RB of something which is now muddled with time, there will be no court case, they are trying to cancel him, they want him gone. You know he had a successful career before courting the populists over Covid? That’s why I laughed when someone earlier said that the so called ‘woke left’ are gunning for him. He’s literally part of the ‘woke left’ and anyone who thinks otherwise has never actually listened to his politics. " Yes he is left, that's his preference. Think the last thing I saw him in was Death on the Nile. | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on "is everyone not instilled to a fair go ... | |||
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"Amber Heard destroyed Jonny Depps career by making false allegations about him which were proven here in Britian but disproved in the USA. Since this case AH has been accused of lying to the Australian government, has had allegations made against her from a former lover and had to pay JD millions of dollars. Now before all of this and the me-to movement, in the USA it was suggested that a women always be believed when they claim assault or sexual assault not questioned. AH and JD case blew that suggestion out of the water." I believe that victims should be listened to, do you not? Victims may be male or female. JD was the victim of abuse in that relationship. | |||
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If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ... "His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ...
His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story "He had 8 days to reply to The Times story. He did not. | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ...
His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story
He had 8 days to reply to The Times story. He did not. "I believe the story ,Ive read the whole thing Its outrageous that he got away with it so long | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ...
His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story
He had 8 days to reply to The Times story. He did not. "Why should he? Not responding means what exactly.? Why must anyone respond to anything on the media? | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ...
His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story
He had 8 days to reply to The Times story. He did not.
Why should he? Not responding means what exactly.? Why must anyone respond to anything on the media? "I simply shared the fact from the Times article. | |||
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"If all true it puts Rubilis's football kiss into context as not sexual assault. " No it doesn't. Different countries. SA covers a range of charges. | |||
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"If he was Russell the bin man would there be a story . name the complaint's also ...
If it was Russell the bin man there's no story...but he's not
He'll be known as Russell the r apist from now on is everyone not instilled to a fair go ...
His fair go is creating a youtube video on the day to muddy the story
He had 8 days to reply to The Times story. He did not.
Why should he? Not responding means what exactly.? Why must anyone respond to anything on the media?
I simply shared the fact from the Times article."^^Good fact sharing. | |||
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"If all true it puts Rubilis's football kiss into context as not sexual assault. No it doesn't. Different countries. SA covers a range of charges. " Yes it does but appreciate we won't agree. Sexual assault is serious and smiling & accepting a kiss in celebration is not Sexual assault but I appreciate vulchers want blood. I,m happy I,m right so won't play ping pong. | |||
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"Don't believe what the media says! I Someone is Innocent until proven guilty. Innocent until proven otherwise, yes. But the media are reporting what the women are saying. That's quite an important distinction. True! But still not found guilty so it's all still gossip. Gossip to some, allegations to others. Assuming it goes further, he'll have his chance to defend himself. I'm not saying he's guilty of anything - time will tell - but dismissing a r*pe allegation as 'gossip' feels inappropriate to me." If its r*pe allegations they should have reported it police already. Outing it into the media without any formal allegation stinks of 'gossip'. | |||
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