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By (user no longer on site) OP
over a year ago

Rubiales

Has resigned.

Is this good news?

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion. "

Have to say I agree with you.

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion. "

Mob rule wins again.manager sacked for nothing.She was so "upset" by the experience on the team bus home from the final she takes selfies of herself laughing and joking,then posts it all online without comment on the "incident".Not the actions of a victim.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

3 weeks too late. A small man.

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By *atalie..Woman
over a year ago

Bolton

I still don't understand why some men think it fine to touch a woman in any context.

Getting lost in the moment blah blah blah.

I'm sure his wife Manuela Delicado Vega was not impressed.

People worked hard for the me too movement around the world, and he does this live on TV.

Bet he won't touch another woman again without permission, so lesson learned

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

His wife and wider family have stood by him from the begining,with the exception of one uncle who has used it as an excuse to have a pop because of a previous axe that he wants to re grind.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?"

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"His wife and wider family have stood by him from the begining,with the exception of one uncle who has used it as an excuse to have a pop because of a previous axe that he wants to re grind.

Of course they have, what kind of daft comment is that?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?"

False equivalency I reckon. Like it more to a situation of men being handed a trophy and whether a head of an FA would do the same to men.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion. "

It's great, isn't it?

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?"

I guess the key difference is that the woman on the receiving end made a complaint.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?"

Is this a serious question?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

pt"

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Just putting this out there:

If i am a manager of a business, and one day we secure a really lucrative contract. I congratulate the team working on the contract, and in my excitement kiss one of the team full on the lips, whilst grabbing their head in both hands.

Is that ok?

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

You are a women

Right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with someone's sex.

Your opinion of the world around you is gross to me given how many people 'jumped' in your words.

It's the same paranoid "everyone is controlled but me/us" line you see in all these reactionary threads.

Tell me you are not a supporter of Mr Trump lol

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Just putting this out there:

Is that ok? "

Of course. Extra points for a firm smack on the bottom and top tier would be to then send them away to make tea and crumpets for the whole exec team. Yeah!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

You are a women

Right and wrong has absolutely nothing to do with someone's sex.

Your opinion of the world around you is gross to me given how many people 'jumped' in your words.

It's the same paranoid "everyone is controlled but me/us" line you see in all these reactionary threads.

Tell me you are not a supporter of Mr Trump lol

Did I try to belittle you? No. Kindly refrain from further communication directed at me.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Just putting this out there:

Is that ok?

Not if you...

a) refuse to apologise when the person says he/she didn't appreciate it (and - let me put this to you - do you recognise patriarchy and it's history with women at all JennieTV?)

b) then go on to claim it was 'understood' beforehand that a kiss would be ok (so um how is it excitement then?) and call the person a liar when he/she said actually it wasn't.

c) grabbed your crotch earlier in the day (on TV near your royal family).

d) ignored universal appeals for you to responsibly resign from your public post of influence please. And basically wait to be suspended first.

Just putting this out there to you.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Oh the irony.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"Oh the irony."

I believe irony is what the wimmins is supposed to do while the footy is on. Am I right?!

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on."

Call it a lapse of judgement if you want, but doesn't mean it was right or should not have consequences. That he doubled down for so long compounded that extremely poor judgement, and I think his position was rightly untenable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

I agree with you re his response, he should have simply put his hands up and apologised. I just feel it all got way out of hand due to the media coverage of it.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

Do we need yet another horrible thread pitching one utterly spoilt man against millions of 'weak minded' women?

And millions of men who presumably just want to suck up to them?

Though of course we are all being 'controlled'!

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

I agree with you re his response, he should have simply put his hands up and apologised. I just feel it all got way out of hand due to the media coverage of it."

Couple of thoughts sprung to mind:

Firstly he is in a high profile, influential podition. I would expect someone in that position, being paid as much as he was, to be able to avoid lapses of judgment like that.

Secondly if it hadn't happened then there would be nothing for the media to have jumped on

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Oh the irony.

I believe irony is what the wimmins is supposed to do while the footy is on. Am I right?!

Obviously they are too dumb to actually follow and read the game.

Best left to household tasks for sure.

And their hubbies conjugal rights.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

I agree with you re his response, he should have simply put his hands up and apologised. I just feel it all got way out of hand due to the media coverage of it.

Couple of thoughts sprung to mind:

Firstly he is in a high profile, influential podition. I would expect someone in that position, being paid as much as he was, to be able to avoid lapses of judgment like that.

Secondly if it hadn't happened then there would be nothing for the media to have jumped on"

In a perfect world, perhaps...we can but hope.

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By *ou only live onceMan
over a year ago

London

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

I agree with you re his response, he should have simply put his hands up and apologised. I just feel it all got way out of hand due to the media coverage of it.

Couple of thoughts sprung to mind:

Firstly he is in a high profile, influential podition. I would expect someone in that position, being paid as much as he was, to be able to avoid lapses of judgment like that.

Secondly if it hadn't happened then there would be nothing for the media to have jumped on"

Beat me to both, Jennie...

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

It is victim blaming you know.

He was in control of *ALL* of his actions. The woman did nothing but help win a football match and not corroborate his bullshit (how dare she not do that?).

The media (whatever they did being typical media) basically reported every decision he made.

But it was the Women's World Cup! That little thing has become quite a deal in recent years truth be told.

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By *hyLaadMan
over a year ago

harrow

"No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion.

Have to say I agree with you. "

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

How stupid do you think women are?

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

How stupid do you think women are?

Those two things (damaging women's football more than anything else could do..... and women 'confusing' the realities of sexual abuse) don't even connect.

Is this actually partly the sun?

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By *astandFeistyCouple
over a year ago

Bournemouth

I'm usually one to say something like this was blown all out of proportion....

However, she made a complaint so he should have accepted he got it wrong and held his hands up.

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By *heelerMan
over a year ago

Northants

"Rubiales

Has resigned.

Is this good news?

I don't think it wasjust the kiss but him holding his cock in front of royalty

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think a lot of therapy and counselling is required here jeez

Chill the fudge out, he’s resigned

was he righ, was he wrong, is it all hype or is it truth who cares

Your life and health are important and this story and it’s results don’t “really” affect you as an individual does it

Have a great week fuckers

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse.

More has been said about this than the horrendous earthquake in Morocco.

Say's alot really about modern society.

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By *inky_couple2020Couple
over a year ago

North West

"I genuinely couldn't give a rat's arse.

More has been said about this than the horrendous earthquake in Morocco.

Say's alot really about modern society."

To be fair, the events of the Women's World Cup happened before the earthquake in Morocco.

They are two completely different things, both worthy of our thoughts.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity."

The two are so far apart I can't see how you can compare a well recieved kiss to what Greenwood did.

Maybe you feel jumping on the band wagon will serve a purpose but no comparison at all.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"I'm usually one to say something like this was blown all out of proportion....

However, she made a complaint so he should have accepted he got it wrong and held his hands up.

We can't live in a world where you accept a complaint and apologise without your own opinion being relevant. Only apoligise if you feel you are in the wrong.

He resigned because of cancel culture approaching his wider family.

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By *illybeachboyMan
over a year ago

Guernsey

Watching the film of him kissing the girl I don't see her pulling away, in fact she is smiling and enjoying the occasion. The man has been hounded and has my sympathies.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

I just want to apologise to a couple of people here for coming on so strong last night. Clearly I got too angry and it impaired my posts. I'd hoped this story was over, and all the posts I saw seemed to go one way on it (I actually think most people are pretty tired of it). I actually couldn't sleep last night, but I'm sure I wasn't the only one there though.

I do stand by what I say regarding Rubiales himself however, he had complete control of his life and could still be in his job if he wasn't better-advised the other way politically imo (there was an immediate and very-strong 'anti-woke' 'nothing to apologise' campaign.. and there is more than one 'brand' of media in this world - it was a huge story pumped-up by everyone). I am sure that a more modern and generally sensible candidate can be found now though, which is what the Spanish FA and FIFA if not Spain and beyond clearly want. I just can't see how that's a bad thing.

Women's football is something I've followed for years (though I didn't catch much this year frustratingly) and is really important to me. And it's no small thing any more, not even slightly.

And also Women's rights (for equality and no less) are ultimately the biggest such matter in the world to me, as women are the world's biggest demographic - one that contains almost all of the others such as race. And it's also personal too due my personal background. I see Women's rights as the oldest fought-for rights. This was a big deal.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Watching the film of him kissing the girl I don't see her pulling away, in fact she is smiling and enjoying the occasion. The man has been hounded and has my sympathies.

She'd just won the world cup, please.

Rubiales *immediately* became a political puppet of the anti-woke 'Stand your ground' brigade, the very moment Hermoso has the temerity to complain. People can't keep blaming "cancel culture" for these cavalcades! All the powerful media today is politically on the Right. They have the most selective scope. Millions of people simply stick to them.. they get boiled by them.

Please, think of the all negative stuff you have read re this story and "cancel culture".

Who is 'whipping up' what here?

The story itself was pretty simple, and no one can say that Rubiales handled it professionally. That's exactly what he *didn't* do.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity.

The two are so far apart I can't see how you can compare a well recieved kiss to what Greenwood did.

Maybe you feel jumping on the band wagon will serve a purpose but no comparison at all.

Clearly not so well received she literally complained about it after I stead of sweeping it under the rug just because they won the world cup. If anything, the fact she didn't do that shows how poorly received it was.

He resigned, and there's nothing you can do about it so as Shakespeare once said: "tough titties, cupcake"

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity.

The two are so far apart I can't see how you can compare a well recieved kiss to what Greenwood did.

Maybe you feel jumping on the band wagon will serve a purpose but no comparison at all.

He resigned, and there's nothing you can do about it so as Shakespeare once said: "tough titties, cupcake"

Yep. All of this. Good riddance to the dinosaur.

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By *imi_RougeWoman
over a year ago

Portsmouth

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion.

And exactly how are women, who've been a victim of assault supposed to act? It often takes time to process what happened, that's an awful thing to say.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity.

The two are so far apart I can't see how you can compare a well recieved kiss to what Greenwood did.

Maybe you feel jumping on the band wagon will serve a purpose but no comparison at all.

He resigned, and there's nothing you can do about it so as Shakespeare once said: "tough titties, cupcake"

The smile afterwards, the laughter showing the kiss video to her friends? The fact it was a kiss, just a kiss in euphoric celebration.

Your guide dog needs new batteries. Ref Quote:Keats.

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By *ts the taking part thatMan
over a year ago

southampton

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. "

Got no one, low rent people did what low rent people do & hassled his family so the good man resigned to protect them. If you find pride in that it's pretty sad.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"No, the mob won. He likely shouldn't of held Hermosas head when kissing her but he also kissed a male colleague as super excited.

This has damaged womens football more than anything could of, being accused of sexual abuse must surely confuse people that have suffered sexual abuse which will in no way resemble the single kiss.

A ridiculous pile on & band wagon chasing media.

Happy to be criticised but I stand by my opinion. "

Have to say you are right.

Another person cancelled by the mob.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him. "

Who got him ?

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over a year ago

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Who got him ?

Piers Morgan got him.

This 'victim' didn't go to Spain, he went to Piers Morgan for his exclusive resignation speech

And people say this was all controlled by the Left! It was 'Stand by the sweet helpless man' from the very start, and Rubiales ran with that all the way.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Luis was very naughty boy

He should have got the sack

He planted a kiss on Jenni

But at least he didn’t squeeze her rack

Afterwards everyone was seething

Screaming at the top of their lungs

But just imagine the outrage

If Luis had snogged with tongues

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By *ndycoinsMan
over a year ago

Whaley Bridge,Nr Buxton,

Women on Hen parties do a lot lot worse yet this is never mentioned or criticised."oooh that's different", no it isn't.I wonder how many women criticising Rubiales from the high moral ground have grabbed a waiters arse or more on a hen do?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Got no one, low rent people did what low rent people do & hassled his family so the good man resigned to protect them. If you find pride in that it's pretty sad. "

Wa Wa Wa Wa Wa.

I guess I’m pretty sad then

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Who got him ?"

Don’t worry I knew this reference would lost on this place

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"First Mason Greenwood and now this. If we're not careful, we might start being able to have faith in humanity.

The two are so far apart I can't see how you can compare a well recieved kiss to what Greenwood did.

Maybe you feel jumping on the band wagon will serve a purpose but no comparison at all.

He resigned, and there's nothing you can do about it so as Shakespeare once said: "tough titties, cupcake"

The smile afterwards, the laughter showing the kiss video to her friends? The fact it was a kiss, just a kiss in euphoric celebration.

Your guide dog needs new batteries. Ref Quote:Keats."

So smiling about it at the time means you realise it's wrong later? Maybe she was overwhelmed with everything that moment that the kiss didn't register and realised she didn't enjoy it, hence her words after because she doesn't have the emotional range of a teaspoon

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Got no one, low rent people did what low rent people do & hassled his family so the good man resigned to protect them. If you find pride in that it's pretty sad. "

You're just being emotional. Take a breather mate

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Who got him ?

Don’t worry I knew this reference would lost on this place "

Aye right.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?

Is this a serious question?"

Did the players consent though, that’s the question.

Some of the players might not want to be kissed and cuddled. It just seems expected of them.

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"What’s the difference between his kiss and players mauling each other after scoring a goal?

I never see them getting consent before snogging and hugging them?

I guess the key difference is that the woman on the receiving end made a complaint."

Maybe they men don’t complain because of peer pressure and toxic masculinity?

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"Ladies and gentlemen, we got him.

Got no one, low rent people did what low rent people do & hassled his family so the good man resigned to protect them. If you find pride in that it's pretty sad.

So you were there were you? Watching it unfold? How is this part of the story not media driven too?

Or is what you 'follow' somehow not real media?

And who exactly are "the mob" here? Calling anyone "low rent" then tarring all?

When will people ever look at themselves before they suggest things of them-the-other!

This story has been at very-least *equally* driven by the Hard Right since it started. Give the way the media is going in recent years, the chances are even more.

Why do you think the traditional media is so afraid?

The 'chicken' is the ever-populist Hard Right, and it's a reactionary phenomenon that comes before the egg. Without strong HR media support this guy would have had nothing but the absence of 2 legs to stand on!

Why didn't he just apologise?

He was propped up and promoted as a 'gammon hero' by the 24-hour shitflow of RW and HR media from the start.

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

This is a shit storm brewing.

Think about it over the years how many sporting events have you seen where players hug and kiss,team mate's,coaches running out and hugging etc..

Think back to the 2012 Olympics how many times did you see a coach hugging people they have trained or consoling people?

People are going to be scared to show emotions they'll be high fiving each other with rubber hands on the end of a stick.

There needs to be a balance between one and the other where people can be spontaneous and show emotions without overstepping.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"This is a shit storm brewing.

Think about it over the years how many sporting events have you seen where players hug and kiss,team mate's,coaches running out and hugging etc..

Think back to the 2012 Olympics how many times did you see a coach hugging people they have trained or consoling people?

People are going to be scared to show emotions they'll be high fiving each other with rubber hands on the end of a stick.

There needs to be a balance between one and the other where people can be spontaneous and show emotions without overstepping."

Yes. Agreed. And consent and appropriate behaviour is the key.

Excitement, joy, consolation - they can all be felt and shared with others without grabbing someone's head and kissing them on the lips.

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

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Regarding the 'arousal vs consent' argument on another thread (now gone but I'm guessing not because of this argument), someone said here today that because Hermoso looked so happy she was clearly enjoying the kiss! But she'd literally just captained Spain to victory in the World Cup?

The key for me is the respect people have for things. How much does the Women's World Cup actually mean to you? Do Women's Rights mean a great deal too?

People's opinions here are not gender or sex-related either I find.

I think I've found that a lot of women are much more comfortable in a patriarchal world because they have learnt how to thrive by it and rise above other men and women (or perhaps they feel it's their best survival strategy). A man can be at the bottom of a 'patriarchal situation' where several woman are intentionally oppressing him in a deliberately patriarchal manner. All that matters are the concepts and principles. And are we into equality or not?

Some people who I would say are on the hard Right clearly prefer controlled inequality, and of course many people always have. Just look at global history.

To some, the idea of their own freedom (a very complete freedom in today's sense) clearly seems simply more important than the loses of freedom others might genuinely suffer from. I think that some people need to constantly protect their own sense of freedom, as inflated and privileged (spoilt even) though that very sense of freedom may seem to others!

I think that as that position is so fundamentally extreme, it can lead to huge paranoia (a breakdown in its own meaning essentially) and ultimately to controlled bullying - to fight off those who criticise it (often perceived as attacking or trying to almost physically remove it). Add the modern fashion for reductive thinking (ie simplistic and often anti-intellectual rationalising) - typically presented as 'common sense' - and pop in a mobile phone or two for all the electronically-disseminated politics - and here we are.

A properly-functioning society can only be fundamentally defined as a 'trade-off' imo. It's the trade of a citizens personal freedoms for their better survival chances - chances which are bourne largely of economics (money is entirely a social construct) and law and order.

Complete freedom on the other hand equals total anarchy and true mob rule.

The use of 'mob rule' to describe events like the reaction to Rubiales (which is essentially a professional matter with social ramifications) is to me an example of a 'reversing strategy', which hard-Right leaders typically use to create the chaos they need to thrive. Divide and conquer - created dissent.

The reality of course is that such an anarchistic philosophy will lead more to mob rule! So the hard-Right will naturally describe that negative term as the very heart of the enemy, while they indoctrinate their shallow support.

Everyone knows that 'mob rule' is a negative term though of course. It's surprising how much we do actually all share in terms of knowledge of good and bad, despite how different some of us are. But people very often choose to ignore things for their own benefit. That cherry-picking strategy fortunately isn't so great in areas like general governance, industry, education, health, economics and science of course. A more holistic approach is actually needed in these areas to actually manage them of course. So the insanity cannot easily take over - the world is simply too complex now to run.

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over a year ago

I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

Cardiff

"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

He hasn't done it gracefully no. His first port of call was Piers Morgan, pissing off most of Spain apparently. He's a global hero of the hard Right now though. He won't have too many problems in life I think, so fears for the 'poor man's' future are entirely unfounded I think.

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"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out "

Host the mens football ???

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

Host the mens football ??? "

Jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

Host the mens football ???

Jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup "

I know that.

Why didn't she say that ?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

Host the mens football ???

Jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup

I know that.

Why didn't she say that ?"

If you knew what she meant, it's all good isn't it?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I just heard Rubiales did not resign because of a kiss it was so Spain could host the mens football.

I heard Hermoso has made a complaint.

His buddy Vilda resigned a few days ago.

Whilst I agree with celebrating the win, a kiss on cheeks not a grab hold of head her legs go up clinch on her lips. He did not place lip kisses on any other player.

Vilda was caught groping a females boob same day.

If was me I would have knocked him out

Host the mens football ???

Jointly bidding to host the 2030 World Cup

I know that.

Why didn't she say that ?

If you knew what she meant, it's all good isn't it? "

Aye right.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Wow are you all in contact with each other or something?

Jesus.

Just look at what it means to the Spanish football team and women all over the country (and the indeed the world).

All you people care about are your selves and your own sense of freedom.

He lied about that woman.

Grab your crotches over something else guys (assuming you find that acceptable for a man with his job too).

I am a woman. All I see is a lapse of judgement being whipped up by the media who provided a bandwagon for everyone to jump on.

Well said. I find it infuriating that we are even debating if this was right or wrong. A man kissed a woman without her consent. Worse he was in a position of power and did it in public. And then trained to victim blame her. How more wrong can this be???

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By *TG3Man
over a year ago

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By *ersiantugMan
over a year ago

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"No

Thank you Mr Tate

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over a year ago

"No

Thank you Mr Tate

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