FabSwingers.com forum: Swan Attack

By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

A swan in Kent which is the county called the food basket of England has been killed by a dog attack. The second in three days. What is surprising here is that the dog was actually on one of those detractable leads. The type with metres and meters of lead where the owner has some sort of handle. Should these long leads be banned?

What's going on here. It's all over the news

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

No they shouldn’t be banned. The owners should still be in control of the dog with a retractable lead

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"A swan in Kent which is the county called the food basket of England has been killed by a dog attack. The second in three days. What is surprising here is that the dog was actually on one of those detractable leads. The type with metres and meters of lead where the owner has some sort of handle. Should these long leads be banned?

What's going on here. It's all over the news"

That's sad poor Swan! I was with son yesterday at a country park he cares for autistic children and this little yorkie was of lead totally out of control it was yapping insanely all the while clinging and jumping up the poor boys leg! The owner just couldn't catch the dog! She was very apologetic! Btbf if u don't have instant recall shouldn't b of lead as for the retractable ones ( I have one for my dog) owners shd b aware of surroundings and real them in if other animals/ people nearby!it's easy to do so! X

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By *icecouple561Couple
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over a year ago

East Sussex

I've nearly been tripped up a few times by retractable leads. I think they're great but I wish *some* owners would be aware of what their dogs are doing at the end of them and keep the lead short in areas where there are a lot of people eg buses, pavements and pub gardens.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Licence dogs and hold the owners accountable.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I hate them leads, well more I hate how a lot of people use them. Walking along the pavement with the dog wandering where it wants, often not paying attention to where, drives me insane, I've had to break more than once as dogs have ventured onto the road.

Also know of injuries to owners caused by them (friction burns) and of a dog who ran into the road on one and was run over and killed.

If they are going to be used owners need to still be in control and pay attention.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I drove between 2 parked vans the other week. Woman hidden behind one, dog hidden behind the other, lead right across the road. Thankfully I saw it.

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Licence dogs and hold the owners accountable."

Think that's probably same as now as dogs have to b compulsory chipped x

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

I think some owners need to be on leads

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

The whole point of a retractable lead is that you have it set short when you’re around hazards/obstacles/people and long when it’s safe to do so, ie in fields. They’re meant for dogs who have poor recall so they can still exercise without buggering off

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

My elderly nextdoor neighbour got bitten on the leg by a rotweiller. She fell over and broke her hip. She was told she couldn't sue as the dog was on a (retractable) lead therefore under control.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some owners need to be on leads

This

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By *allySlinkyWoman
over a year ago

Leeds

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?"

I've never heard of a cat killing a swan. All swans belong to our King.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?"

My cats are murdering bastards. Almost every day there’s a fallen mouse soldier on the lawn

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?"

Nobody owns a cat. They're freelance

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?"

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"I think some owners need to be on leads

Is that one of your kinks?

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By *icolerobbieCouple
over a year ago

walsall

"My elderly nextdoor neighbour got bitten on the leg by a rotweiller. She fell over and broke her hip. She was told she couldn't sue as the dog was on a (retractable) lead therefore under control."

She absolutely can sue, leash or not. A dog can still be out of control even on a lead, as evidenced by it biting your elderly neighbour.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Leads aren't the problem. Lazy and ignorant owners are in most situations.

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By *all me FlikWoman
over a year ago

Galaxy Far Far Away

"Licence dogs and hold the owners accountable."

Licences were scrapped in the 80s I think .

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X"

Glad I don’t live near you

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

I've never heard of a cat killing a swan. All swans belong to our King. "

Ahhhh...

I thought that was irrational for a moment. Silly me, it's nothing to do with species at all, it's because they are the property of the King. Of course.

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By *apybarasCouple
over a year ago

High Lighthouse!

"Leads aren't the problem. Lazy and ignorant owners are in most situations.

Most of these threads (dogs, cyclists, driving etc.) boil down to the same things; careless, thoughtless, selfish people with no empathy for those around them.

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X"

It's a good job that those rats don't belong to the king or you'd be in trouble!

How big is a cygnet? Hmmm

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By *ottodot123Couple
over a year ago

Gillingham

Isn't Kent called the garden of England

Not the food basket ?.

Although we do have a lot of apples and hops

Yes terrible about the swan. Very irresponsible owner and especially if on a Flexi lead

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Retractable leads aren't great for some dogs, it's very true. If they're not purchased for the correct weight of the dog, they will snap easily. However - the owner is responsible for not controlling their dog!

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By *tooveMan
over a year ago

belfast

People who use retractable leads are lazy wankers. Fucking hate them.

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't Kent called the garden of England

Not the food basket ?.

Although we do have a lot of apples and hops

Yes terrible about the swan. Very irresponsible owner and especially if on a Flexi lead"

I don't know, I kinda like "food basket". Could catch on.

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By *rs mischiefWoman
over a year ago

Manchester

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

Nobody owns a cat. They're freelance"

Haha! That comment made me laugh, so true! X

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By *aulaxd2020TV/TS
over a year ago

dudley

Some People with dogs are total arseholes there is family of swans by me plus loads of geese and ducks often dogs are off lead and chase them and owners think it’s funny presumably it’s the same dog owners who don’t pick the crap up after them

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Isn't Kent called the garden of England

Not the food basket ?.

Although we do have a lot of apples and hops

Yes terrible about the swan. Very irresponsible owner and especially if on a Flexi lead"

Is it where all the fruit baskets come from...?

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X"

Does she wear her cat suit. Messy job killing all those rats..

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By *ellhungvweMan
over a year ago

Cheltenham

Not sure if the same laws apply with swans but we have had cases around here of dogs attacking livestock - farmer+ gun soon makes sure people control their other dogs (mainly because the one attacking the sheep is dead).

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By *lexanderSupertrampMan
over a year ago

Gourock

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cats are murdering bastards. Almost every day there’s a fallen mouse soldier on the lawn "

Just little tokens of their love for you

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X

It's a good job that those rats don't belong to the king or you'd be in trouble!

How big is a cygnet? Hmmm"

Poor ratys x

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

Had an aggressive Swan attack a tiny puppy and chase it before. Had to throw things at the swan ti get it to fuck off wretched thing

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By *ob Carpe DiemMan
over a year ago

Torquay

The black swans in Dawlish can't raise signets because dogs keep predating them, that said it's a non native species so maybe not such a problem

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"I've never heard of a cat killing a swan. All swans belong to our King. "

No, they don't.

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/king/does-the-king-really-own-all-the-swans-191589/#

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By *ansoffateMan
over a year ago

Sagittarius A

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X

It's a good job that those rats don't belong to the king or you'd be in trouble!

How big is a cygnet? Hmmm

Poor ratys x"

I know, they have such a hard time. X

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?"

Because a dog has the potential to be a killer to human as well as birds a dog out of control doesn't follow boundaries set in place by the pack leader which in this case should be the human.

Once a dog had a taste for blood next time it may be a child or adult.

To my knowledge I can't think of a person being mauled to death by a domestic cat!

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By *iltsTSgirlTV/TS
over a year ago

chichester

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

Because a dog has the potential to be a killer to human as well as birds a dog out of control doesn't follow boundaries set in place by the pack leader which in this case should be the human.

Once a dog had a taste for blood next time it may be a child or adult.

To my knowledge I can't think of a person being mauled to death by a domestic cat!"

You do know dogs eat raw meat right as well and they don’t go on to savage everything in sight

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

Because a dog has the potential to be a killer to human as well as birds a dog out of control doesn't follow boundaries set in place by the pack leader which in this case should be the human.

Once a dog had a taste for blood next time it may be a child or adult.

To my knowledge I can't think of a person being mauled to death by a domestic cat!"

Bit like us humans then??

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

My cat keeps killing rats! Half her size! Found another dead yesterday in garden! Couldn't get her in! Last night made sure she stayed in! She's no youngster either at 14! X

It's a good job that those rats don't belong to the king or you'd be in trouble!

How big is a cygnet? Hmmm

Poor ratys x

I know, they have such a hard time. X"

They do in my garden with the bloody cat! She has taken over from my spaniel god rest his beautiful soul(despite killing ratys) lost him in June! No matter how many times I told him of he would still kill them! X

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By *ools and the brainCouple
over a year ago

couple, us we him her.

"Cats kill birds all the time that's never all over the news.

Why are dogs being singled out for this behaviour?

Because a dog has the potential to be a killer to human as well as birds a dog out of control doesn't follow boundaries set in place by the pack leader which in this case should be the human.

Once a dog had a taste for blood next time it may be a child or adult.

To my knowledge I can't think of a person being mauled to death by a domestic cat!

You do know dogs eat raw meat right as well and they don’t go on to savage everything in sight

True but they are usually fed it and don't kill it themselves.

Just saying.

In any case it is 100% the dog owners who are at fault.

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By *ottodot123Couple
over a year ago

Gillingham

"Isn't Kent called the garden of England

Not the food basket ?.

Although we do have a lot of apples and hops

Yes terrible about the swan. Very irresponsible owner and especially if on a Flexi lead

Is it where all the fruit baskets come from...?"

Definitely is !!!

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By *ottodot123Couple
over a year ago

Gillingham

"Isn't Kent called the garden of England

Not the food basket ?.

Although we do have a lot of apples and hops

Yes terrible about the swan. Very irresponsible owner and especially if on a Flexi lead

I don't know, I kinda like "food basket". Could catch on.

Might start adding it to the welcome to Kent signs

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By *ssex_tom OP Man
over a year ago

Chelmsford

Any dog that gets a taste for blood will attack again

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

Personally I don't believe a dog that attacks a wild animal, or even another dog, necessarily means they would then attack a human or child. What about dogs that are trained to go rabbiting/ratting etc, they are often also family pets.

My dog has previously attacked another dog, do I worry it would be a child next? No as he loves children, if anything he protects them. However it means I am now a lot more cautious of him around other dogs for everyone's safety.

He also lives with a kitten who we've recently introduced him to.

Oh but he eats raw food, so is obviously vicious

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By *AABMan
over a year ago

Not far

I don’t get retractable leads. I either keep my dog on a short fixed length lead or he’s off the lead mooching about as he’s been trained for recall.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"Any dog that gets a taste for blood will attack again"

Absolute nonsense.

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By *penbicoupleCouple
over a year ago

Northampton

"https://royalcentral.co.uk/uk/king/does-the-king-really-own-all-the-swans-191589/#"

That was an awful - and contradictory - article.

This was is nore detailed and therefore accurate:

htschool.hindustantimes. com /editorsdesk/knowledge-vine/surprising-fact-almost-all-the-swans-of-england-were-owned-by-the-queen

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By (user no longer on site)
over a year ago

"Leads aren't the problem. Lazy and ignorant owners are in most situations.

Most of these threads (dogs, cyclists, driving etc.) boil down to the same things; careless, thoughtless, selfish people with no empathy for those around them."

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By *licecdTV/TS
over a year ago

Hatfield

Having owned and trained Springer Spaniels for Gun work for more years than I like to think about I consider I do know a bit about Dogs To most people they want a Dog that is well behaved not aggressive but above all a good family pet/ friend. These retractable leads are the worst possible thing you can use on any breed of dog . With any dog the owner had to be the boss but with those leads the dog being in front doing pretty much anything it wants the dog becomes the boss not you. Most folk want a dog that is a pleasure to take out one you can let of a lead and when called comes back straight away a dog that walks nicely on the lead beside you or of the lead beside you . To get to that standard is very very basic and straightforward it’s not rocket science. 90% of dogs can achieve what I have said within 4/6 weeks easily . If anyone wants advice how to get a dog to that standard feel free to pvt message BUT retractable leads are awful and have no place in dog ownership

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"Any dog that gets a taste for blood will attack again"

My dog has been on a BARF diet for 10 years, he tastes blood everyday and not once attacked anyone or anything

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By *ealMissShadyWoman
over a year ago

St Albans/ Welsh Borders

"Having owned and trained Springer Spaniels for Gun work for more years than I like to think about I consider I do know a bit about Dogs To most people they want a Dog that is well behaved not aggressive but above all a good family pet/ friend. These retractable leads are the worst possible thing you can use on any breed of dog . With any dog the owner had to be the boss but with those leads the dog being in front doing pretty much anything it wants the dog becomes the boss not you. Most folk want a dog that is a pleasure to take out one you can let of a lead and when called comes back straight away a dog that walks nicely on the lead beside you or of the lead beside you . To get to that standard is very very basic and straightforward it’s not rocket science. 90% of dogs can achieve what I have said within 4/6 weeks easily . If anyone wants advice how to get a dog to that standard feel free to pvt message BUT retractable leads are awful and have no place in dog ownership "

This

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By *andyfloss2000Woman
over a year ago

ashford

They do have a place! My sprocker (god rest his beautiful soul) could never b of lead so it gave him more freedom with me on the other end of his lead! Still use it for his sister my lab but she has good recall! (No dog can ever have 100% recall) ! X

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By *orny-DJMan
over a year ago

Leigh-on-Sea

"Licence dogs and hold the owners accountable."

There was a time that dog owners had to have a license

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