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"The police don't always charge every offender, including for motoring offences. We should allow experienced police staff to use their expertise to have flexibility. Would the cyclists have sped off, like rats from a sack, if they were going to be charged, with the police having no identification details? And possibly a group of cyclists blocking a busy road could have caused a bigger safety problem, whilst waiting to give their details?" They do everyone for speeding over the percentage threshold,therefore they would have done a driver doing 40 in a 30,because a 30 is residential/risk to pedestrians. | |||
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"my nephew just been done 1 mile above 3 points yes he was speeding so got what he deserved according to the police." My nephew got caught doing 1 mile above and they didn't charge him. Plus they gave him a bakewell tart. You must be wrong | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." Would have been worse if they were townies in lycra. Luckily the wellies saved them | |||
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"I for one would love to hear the coppers excuse for not giving a ticket and points as said if it was a car not a cat in hells chance they would have not been fined and points talk about one rule for one another rule for others.my nephew just been done 1 mile above 3 points yes he was speeding so got what he deserved according to the police." The "excuse"is lazy policing.Cars have number plates,number plates give names and addresses.Bikes don't have plates and there is no room in lycra fancy dress costumes for a checkable proof of identity.During COVID restrictions the cops had ANPR cars stopping every vehicle that showed as out of area,yet cycling clubs in named area clothing from miles away were just allowed to ride past.Some clubs were openly boasting about 120 mile rides,yet any driver from more than ten miles away had to justify their presence on the road. | |||
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"Speed limits do not apply to cyclists, only to motor vehicles and their drivers. Dog whistles, what-aboutaries and general hatred towards certain demographics don't have any effect on the law, although I'm sure there will still be plenty of people wasting their time arguing the toss about it and making asses of themselves. "The only people making asses of themselves are those who think rules designed for everyones road safety only apply to some.Most cyclists drive,therefore they have passed at least one test,but ride a bike in a way that would get them fined,points,banned or even jailed if they drove a car that way. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong " Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c**** | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong " He tends to only start posts about those he's not a fan of. | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." It's because a motorist would have been breaking the law. That's what's going on, Tom. You ask that question a lot, but if you read the news a little more closely you wouldn't have to. | |||
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"In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" Fancy joining my cycling club? We could help size you up for the lycra | |||
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"In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c**** Fancy joining my cycling club? We could help size you up for the lycra" I did lots of cycling as a kid,road bikes,BMX etc.I'm from the generation that did the Cycling Proficiency Test at school which was compulsory.I cycled to work for two years,used bike and public transport after that for a while.My knees arent quite up to distance riding any more after being wiped out by a moron in a Defender who wasn't looking/indicating.Fled the scene,probably pissed. | |||
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"You are incredibly wise. You just know people without knowing them. " So how would you describe someone who caused an accident,(I saw them looking left as they turned right without indicating)injured someone and then fled the scene? | |||
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"Grumble grumble grumble. Moan whine whine grumble. Moan grumble moan grumble whine, moan whine grumble whine moan. Grumble grumble moan. Whine whine moan moan moan whine grumble grumble. " It's all over the forum! | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." I got stopped at 45 in a 30, just walked up to my window and told me to slow down, then left. So no, no they wouldn't. | |||
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"Grumble grumble grumble. Moan whine whine grumble. Moan grumble moan grumble whine, moan whine grumble whine moan. Grumble grumble moan. Whine whine moan moan moan whine grumble grumble. " If you stay silent nothing changes.If women stayed silent they still wouldn't be able to vote. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" well said sir | |||
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"Grumble grumble grumble. Moan whine whine grumble. Moan grumble moan grumble whine, moan whine grumble whine moan. Grumble grumble moan. Whine whine moan moan moan whine grumble grumble. If you stay silent nothing changes.If women stayed silent they still wouldn't be able to vote." Pretty sure the suffragettes didn't make use of the fab forum! | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" Sadly what you have just described there is 99.9% of car drivers and 100% of taxi drivers (well exchange TDF for the Nürburgring). Next you'll be talking about road tax as well! | |||
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"Grumble grumble grumble. Moan whine whine grumble. Moan grumble moan grumble whine, moan whine grumble whine moan. Grumble grumble moan. Whine whine moan moan moan whine grumble grumble. " Send in the army | |||
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"You are incredibly wise. You just know people without knowing them. So how would you describe someone who caused an accident,(I saw them looking left as they turned right without indicating)injured someone and then fled the scene?" Effervescent | |||
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"I want to know how they managed that. Cheating on leccy bikes? Drafting alone doesn’t give that good a result. " Maybe they were cycling down hill. | |||
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"I want to know how they managed that. Cheating on leccy bikes? Drafting alone doesn’t give that good a result. Maybe they were cycling down hill." It's good going. I wonder over what distance they kept that pace. | |||
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" Pretty sure the suffragettes didn't make use of the fab forum!
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Morons"That'll be why it took so long to get what they wanted! Embarrassed for them. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" Like alot of motorists then??  | |||
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"You are incredibly wise. You just know people without knowing them. So how would you describe someone who caused an accident,(I saw them looking left as they turned right without indicating)injured someone and then fled the scene? Effervescent " So I was lying in a hospital bed,with medics telling me they didn't know at that point if I would walk again because someone was "effervescent".How kind.How considerate. Seems you "knew me without knowing me "as your first reply was to assume I'm anti cyclist.pot kettle black. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c**** Like alot of motorists then?? " | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." Oh FFS here we go again, bashing cyclists. | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Oh FFS here we go again, bashing cyclists." It's trolltastic! | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day. | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day." I did not know that speed limits do not apply to bicycles so in sum of the new 20 mph areas it will be quicker on a bike especially an e bike.. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" Seriously dude, never ever drive through Cambridge  | |||
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"It’s as simple as this for me “I detest cyclists” I have my reasons and am sticking to them out. "It's ironic but I detest motorist's! | |||
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"It’s as simple as this for me “I detest cyclists” I have my reasons and am sticking to them out.
It's ironic but I detest motorist's!"What's not to like ? | |||
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"I once got points on my driving license for being d*unk on a push bike." Rubbish. Stop telling lies | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." Can you throw the book as fast as 40mph? | |||
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"It did cross my thoughts a while ago when those two boys were killed on an electric bike, that when you fit an electric motor in a bike it becomes a motor vehicle?" There’s a difference between a pedal assist bike and an electric motor driven bike without pedals. The two boys were riding the latter which is illegal as it’s classed as a vehicle. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" I suspect that you're not a cyclist... As someone who rides regularly, I can confirm that earphones don't prevent me from hearing traffic... I can hear more than when I'm inside a car with the radio playing. Riding at 20mph without earphones in, I can just hear the sound of wind in my ears. Also, a group of cyclists riding in single file are much harder to pass than the same group riding two abreast. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c****" Why should cyclist follow the rules, when there are drivers who don't. We have all seen the idiots on the roads, driving as if they own the road. Totally obluvious to speed limits, the car in front, etc. They have number plates, insurance, driving licence and yet get away with it everyday. | |||
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"I was followed by a copper when I was doing 90 on the rainford by pass, then 50 in a 30 zone. I got a talking to, then he checked my speedo for me as it was a grey import, back along the east lancs road. I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket." Seriously? 70 in a 30 and you get a talking to? I find that beyond unbelievable. | |||
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"Andy, I'm getting the slightest feeling you are not a fan of cyclists. I could be wrong Cyclists who ride for everyone's safety and obey the rules of the road are absolutely fine.They don't have earphones so they can hear traffic.They look over their shoulder regularly,they indicate,they don't overtake/undertake at traffic lights/road junctions and then force their way in front of you.They have lights at night.On narrow roads and around all corners(highway code) they ride single file,they don't use the roads as their own personal stage of the tour de France.In short they are not selfish,inconsiderate,stupid dangerous c**** Why should cyclist follow the rules, when there are drivers who don't. We have all seen the idiots on the roads, driving as if they own the road. Totally obluvious to speed limits, the car in front, etc. They have number plates, insurance, driving licence and yet get away with it everyday." I would have thought cyclists would want to obey the rules because if they don’t and something goes wrong then they might well die. Just because someone else is incapable of understanding the rules and puts them in danger doesn’t really seem like a good excuse to double down on the risk to me. If someone (car, motorbike, cyclist, scooter) decides to drive dangerously and they die as a result then I would feel sad at a life lost but I would have no sympathy. | |||
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"I was followed by a copper when I was doing 90 on the rainford by pass, then 50 in a 30 zone. I got a talking to, then he checked my speedo for me as it was a grey import, back along the east lancs road. I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket. Seriously? 70 in a 30 and you get a talking to? I find that beyond unbelievable." I couldn't believe it as well, it was about 10pm, quiet roads and I riding home enjoying the exhaust note on the bike. Didn't look at my speedo, or notice the copper behind me until the blue lights went on. Merseyside police were good back in the day. | |||
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"A few years ago I got stopped by the police for doing 83 mph in a 50. It was a fine summers evening and it was on a dual carriageway local by-pass. He had me on video and told me the speed I was doing would be an automatic ban. I didn't argue with him although I'd had a god awful day at work. I kept my mouth shut thinking that's my license gone and my living. He gave me a severe lecture then told me to get on my way and watch my speed in future. He never asked to see any documents or anything. So, not all police officers are heartless sods. I have behaved myself since." That wouldn't be an officer being a heartless sod though. That would have been an officer rightly enforcing the law against a dangerous driver. Having a bad day doesn't justify driving in such a selfish and careless manner. If I believed your account, I'd say that officer should be sacked for dereliction of duty. | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day." But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? " I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away. | |||
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"Speed limits do not apply to cyclists, only to motor vehicles and their drivers. Dog whistles, what-aboutaries and general hatred towards certain demographics don't have any effect on the law, although I'm sure there will still be plenty of people wasting their time arguing the toss about it and making asses of themselves. "Spoken like a true lycra clad two wheeled warrior. | |||
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"….Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." And probably ALL OVER THE FUCKING ROAD! too.  | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away." The fact you had just made it through radiotherapy would be a comfort to the parents of the kid you could have killed in that 30 zone. I am sure they would have slept better knowing that. | |||
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"It’s as simple as this for me “I detest cyclists” I have my reasons and am sticking to them out.
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"I for one would love to hear the coppers excuse for not giving a ticket and points as said if it was a car not a cat in hells chance they would have not been fined and points talk about one rule for one another rule for others.my nephew just been done 1 mile above 3 points yes he was speeding so got what he deserved according to the police." The speed limits relates to powered vehicles, not self powered. No excuses is needed, Your nephew also didn’t get 3 points for being 1mph over the limit, but feel to post a copy of the NIP and prove me wrong | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away. The fact you had just made it through radiotherapy would be a comfort to the parents of the kid you could have killed in that 30 zone. I am sure they would have slept better knowing that." So glad I never mentioned hitting 155 on M57 then, god knows what grief I might have gotten. | |||
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"I want to know how they managed that. Cheating on leccy bikes? Drafting alone doesn’t give that good a result. " Downhill? Or could it have been the Tour of Britain? | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away. The fact you had just made it through radiotherapy would be a comfort to the parents of the kid you could have killed in that 30 zone. I am sure they would have slept better knowing that. So glad I never mentioned hitting 155 on M57 then, god knows what grief I might have gotten." Now I know you are trolling | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away. The fact you had just made it through radiotherapy would be a comfort to the parents of the kid you could have killed in that 30 zone. I am sure they would have slept better knowing that. So glad I never mentioned hitting 155 on M57 then, god knows what grief I might have gotten." Personally, I am full of shit. But you carry on with your story | |||
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"It did cross my thoughts a while ago when those two boys were killed on an electric bike, that when you fit an electric motor in a bike it becomes a motor vehicle? There’s a difference between a pedal assist bike and an electric motor driven bike without pedals. The two boys were riding the latter which is illegal as it’s classed as a vehicle. " They are also only supposed to be assisted when pedalling, and below a certain power output. So all those people whizzing past very fast whilst not pedalling are probably breaking a couple of laws at least. | |||
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"I got pulled over for doing 70 in a 30 zone on my R6, another bollocking. Both times no ticket... Merseyside police were good back in the day. But that's not good. That's a shit officer letting someone get away with some seriously dangerous driving. Do you really think that was good?! Were you 17, or just far too self-absorbed to think about anyone else? I was 29 at the time, just got back on the back after 4 weeks due to having 3 weeks of radiotherapy. It felt good to blow the cob webs away. The fact you had just made it through radiotherapy would be a comfort to the parents of the kid you could have killed in that 30 zone. I am sure they would have slept better knowing that. So glad I never mentioned hitting 155 on M57 then, god knows what grief I might have gotten. Personally, I am full of shit. But you carry on with your story" Go for a poop I suggest   | |||
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"People trying to make excuses for cyclists speeding or trying to justify it... Its ok because... No its not ok. Nor is it ok for cars. Or those bloody electic scooters or powered bikes... Police losing credibility due to their haphazard application of the laws. Speeding is speeding. Apply the same laws and it removes one thing to moan about and perhaps reduces chances of deaths or injuries. " But they weren't speeding. There is no offence of speeding for a bicycle | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers " Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate " Not sure you know the law Jennie. Mind you, I think your career was pretty much sat behind a desk I imagine... | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Not sure you know the law Jennie. Mind you, I think your career was pretty much sat behind a desk I imagine... " OK Tom | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate " Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." What's going on they had the wind behind them, going down hill | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? " If they are mechanically propelled, the law applies | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? If they are mechanically propelled, the law applies" but mechanically assisted, no | |||
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"I once got points on my driving license for being d*unk on a push bike." Fair enough | |||
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"What about 3 wheeler pushbikes. Tricycles. Nobody mentions those ? " They are still cycles Tom. The clue is in the name | |||
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"WNot sure you know the law Jennie. Mind you, I think your career was pretty much sat behind a desk I imagine... " Wow. | |||
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"So glad I never mentioned hitting 155 on M57 then, god knows what grief I might have gotten." | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? If they are mechanically propelled, the law applies" So.. Is that a yes or a no as they are electrically propelled? | |||
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? If they are mechanically propelled, the law applies So.. Is that a yes or a no as they are electrically propelled? " If they are propelled mechanically, yes. If they are propelled by pedals and only electrically assisted, no. | |||
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" Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' " Manual wheelchairs count, right?! 4mph is painfully slow | |||
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" Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Manual wheelchairs count, right?! 4mph is painfully slow "Theoretically yes, they are carriages | |||
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" Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Manual wheelchairs count, right?! 4mph is painfully slow
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"I for one would love to hear the coppers excuse for not giving a ticket and points as said if it was a car not a cat in hells chance they would have not been fined and points talk about one rule for one another rule for others.my nephew just been done 1 mile above 3 points yes he was speeding so got what he deserved according to the police." You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 | |||
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"I for one would love to hear the coppers excuse for not giving a ticket and points as said if it was a car not a cat in hells chance they would have not been fined and points talk about one rule for one another rule for others.my nephew just been done 1 mile above 3 points yes he was speeding so got what he deserved according to the police. You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 " They can, they just dont. | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... What's going on they had the wind behind them, going down hill " When I was younger I used to be able to keep cycling at about 35 to 37, I started at Carmel college and kept it going to the pilks head office. That is if you didn't hit a red light. | |||
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"Speed limits do not apply to cyclists, only to motor vehicles and their drivers. Dog whistles, what-aboutaries and general hatred towards certain demographics don't have any effect on the law, although I'm sure there will still be plenty of people wasting their time arguing the toss about it and making asses of themselves.
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"Where is Jennie when you need her. She was once a WPC. The offence is cycling furiously.... Jail the buggers Its actually 'Wantonly and Furiously Propelling a Carriage' Speed in and of itself dkws nkt. ame driving or riding Dangerous. If that were the case all drivers caught speeding would be charged with dangerous driving. Speed limits on roads apply to 'mechanicaly propelled vehicles'. Cycles do not fall into this category. Ergo, officers giving suitable words of advice in this case is wholly appropriate Everydays a school day... So for the deathtraps that are electric bikes... You know the ones deliveroo or just eat d4ivers use whilst clad entirely in blavk, with a phone in one hand and a vape in the other... Are they exempt from speeding offences also? If they are mechanically propelled, the law applies So.. Is that a yes or a no as they are electrically propelled? If they are propelled mechanically, yes. If they are propelled by pedals and only electrically assisted, no. " That doesn't sound right - if they're assisted, then in part they're mechanically propelled, now? Pedaling is like pressing the button that sets the motor in motion. | |||
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"We're all lesser for responding to Tom's nonsense. " I didn’t lose my rag this time, though. I’m growing as a person. | |||
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"Pedaling is like pressing the button that sets the motor in motion. " No, you need to be providing a certain level of torque before the motor assists you. Unless you have one of those illegal Chinese E-mopeds. | |||
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"I want to know how they managed that. Cheating on leccy bikes? Drafting alone doesn’t give that good a result. " Go down a hill | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. " Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day." Ive just watched the footage, they were going down hill | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going..." | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going..." Thats old hat, its all GPS these days | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day. Ive just watched the footage, they were going down hill "And that makes it acceptable? | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day. Ive just watched the footage, they were going down hill
And that makes it acceptable?"Doesn't matter if it's acceptable or not, what matters is that it isn't illegal. | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... Thats old hat, its all GPS these days" My Garmin GPS computer still has a wheel sensor | |||
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"I once got points on my driving license for being d*unk on a push bike. Fair enough" This and the 1mph speeding offence never happened. D*unk cycling isn’t a motoring offence therefore you can’t get points, you could however be fined. Not sure why people make this stuff up? (Feel free to post your NIP and prove me wrong) D*unk in charge of one of those electric scooters is a whole different issue, you’d actually be done for d*unken driving, this has happened many times. | |||
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" You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 " Wrong, the 10% +1 is solely at the discretion of the chief constable of any given police force. | |||
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" You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 Wrong, the 10% +1 is solely at the discretion of the chief constable of any given police force." The 10% i believe is to allow for speedometer inaccuracy | |||
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" You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 Wrong, the 10% +1 is solely at the discretion of the chief constable of any given police force." You’re spot in, it is at the discretion of the chief Constable, but being pedantic, it’s 10% + 2mph. | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... Thats old hat, its all GPS these days My Garmin GPS computer still has a wheel sensor" It must be very old | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... Thats old hat, its all GPS these days My Garmin GPS computer still has a wheel sensor It must be very old" "old" stuff still exists | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news ...." Takes some doing on a bike, they should be applauded tom | |||
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" You cannot be prosecuted for 1mph over They have to give a 3mph Grace allowance plus 10% of the speed limit for example 30 mph speed limit - cannot get prosecuted unless doing 37 Wrong, the 10% +1 is solely at the discretion of the chief constable of any given police force. So you’re saying every speeding offence that’s within this zone is put to the chief constable???? I doubt that. " The Chief Constable gives guidance to their force on what speed they should look to prosecute at. They obviously don’t look at every case. | |||
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"The Chief of Police for Dartmoor has announced capture of a group of cyclists doing nearly 40mph in a 30 mph limit. They were offered words of advice. Would a motorist have got this treatment or would they have thrown the book at him What's going on here guy? It's all over the news .... Since legally speed limits don’t apply to bicycles then they wouldn’t get the same treatment, no matter how much we might prefer it. I’m also presuming that e-bikes or steep hills were involved, unless they borrowed Sir Chis Hoy’s legs for the day. Ive just watched the footage, they were going down hill
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... Thats old hat, its all GPS these days My Garmin GPS computer still has a wheel sensor It must be very old "old" stuff still exists " Why does it need a wheel sensor? | |||
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"Why does it need a wheel sensor " It doesn’t but there’s no emoji for dad jokes. Gbat | |||
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"Why does it need a wheel sensor It doesn’t but there’s no emoji for dad jokes. Gbat " Dad jokes or bad jokes | |||
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"What would they do in Europe though for this issue?" We are in Europe. | |||
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"What would they do in Europe though for this issue? We are in Europe."
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"What would they do in Europe though for this issue?" Allow the cyclist to proceed unhindered according to the relevant national legislation. One area where British Exceptionalism is unusually accurate is around their arrogant disdain for cyclists. Gbat | |||
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"In mainland Europe, motorists are very tolerant of cyclists, it’s why cycling in places like France and Spain is so much fun. It’s just a shame that many UK drivers aren’t less shit. " Its a fair point. I think the key word is culture. I think you can say the same when comparing our cyclists with theirs. Example ive never seen cyclist s in Germany all in black cycling at night with no lights... Or pulling wheelies riding on the wrong side of the road daring and threatening motorists.. Or undertaking buses or cycling on footpaths, jumping lights.... Because they are policed and as you say, have a healthy cycling culture and environment for all roadusers | |||
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"Given bicycles aren’t fitted with calibrated speedometers (because they are bicycles, not cars) the correct action was to have a quiet word and ask them to slow down and ride appropriately. 40 feels pretty fast on a bike and would hurt if you binned it. Small contact patch, crappy brakes. Bad idea. I think my personal record was around 50, keeping up with traffic on a steep downhill. A puncture doing 10mph put me in A+E despite wearing a decent helmet. Bike computers (speedo) are generally more accurate than car ones, they are set up with the exact circumference of the tyre. Car speedo's are deliberately set to show a higher speed than you're actually going... Thats old hat, its all GPS these days My Garmin GPS computer still has a wheel sensor It must be very old" No, it improves accuracy. It is an option on every GPS computer I've looked at including the ones used by professionals. Cal | |||
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"In mainland Europe, motorists are very tolerant of cyclists, it’s why cycling in places like France and Spain is so much fun. It’s just a shame that many UK drivers aren’t less shit. Its a fair point. I think the key word is culture. I think you can say the same when comparing our cyclists with theirs. Example ive never seen cyclist s in Germany all in black cycling at night with no lights... Or pulling wheelies riding on the wrong side of the road daring and threatening motorists.. Or undertaking buses or cycling on footpaths, jumping lights.... Because they are policed and as you say, have a healthy cycling culture and environment for all roadusers" I think that there needs to be a distinction made between cyclists & "people on bikes", there is a world of difference between the teenagers doing wheelies down the middle of the road & the guys/gals commuting to work, or riding for fun & exercise. Cal | |||
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"In mainland Europe, motorists are very tolerant of cyclists, it’s why cycling in places like France and Spain is so much fun. It’s just a shame that many UK drivers aren’t less shit. Its a fair point. I think the key word is culture. I think you can say the same when comparing our cyclists with theirs. Example ive never seen cyclist s in Germany all in black cycling at night with no lights... Or pulling wheelies riding on the wrong side of the road daring and threatening motorists.. Or undertaking buses or cycling on footpaths, jumping lights.... Because they are policed and as you say, have a healthy cycling culture and environment for all roadusers I think that there needs to be a distinction made between cyclists & "people on bikes", there is a world of difference between the teenagers doing wheelies down the middle of the road & the guys/gals commuting to work, or riding for fun & exercise. Cal " Maybe. But using that same thought process. You could say the same about car drivers v person in a car. I think thats part of the issue. Tolerance of twats on bikes and in cars. People on a bike on a public highway need to follow the laws, as do all other road users. As someone above said, a better and healthier respect for the laws and other road users is necessary. Its not going to get any better with the ebikes and scooters and seeming absence of policing apart from speed cam police. | |||
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"Not defending them but my understanding is you can’t be done for speeding on a push bike as the Highway Code or whatever makes no allowance for it?? Anyone confirm or deny this??" Speed limits apply to motorised vehicles so there is no offence of speeding for a bicycle | |||
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